How would Hitchcock fare in Detroit? Or is Blashill definitely the coach if Babcock leaves?
I think Hitch would fare about as well as Babs has lately. He's a very similar coach. And yeah, my money would be on Blash. He's our John Cooper. He's had considerable success with the guys who will be the future of our organization, and he's been excellent at every level he's coached at. I don't see why you'd pick anyone else, but that's just me.
Edit: If not Blash, I'd give Paul Heyman a shot. He knows what it takes to manage a champion.
You mean playing your 4th line over your top lines in key moments isn't a good idea?
Well if you ask most everyone else, it's the smartest possible thing to do. Because Mike Babcock did it.
Another thing to do, and this is probably a long shot, is to play your scorers a lot. Press offensively. Control the puck. And in doing so, make the other team use their 4th line 18 minutes a night and/or render their best player ineffective with defensive assignments. Nah...what am I saying? That would never work.
Ribeiro never really dipped and you can't claim a resurgence under Laviolette. he had 49pts in 48 games in the lockout shortened 12-13. He had one down season in 13-14, but that could be explained by the fact that he was playing for the coyotes. That season is also complicated by the fact that he apparently had some issues with alcohal/partying which lead to him being bought out.
Forsberg just played his first full year so I would think it more plausible that he was getting used to the league in previous years.
Fair points. If you're ready to attribute Nashville's increase in offense to predominantly those two guys, that's fine. It doesn't negate the underlying point I was making, which is that coaching style/system can have a significant impact on the productivity of a team.
Perhaps a better example is how Pittsburgh was significantly better (and won a Cup) after they fired Therrien and hired Bylsma mid season. St. Louis improved dramatically after hiring Hitchcock mid-season. Anaheim did the same when they hired Boudreau mid-season and got rid of Carlyle. Los Angeles improved, AND won the Cup after firing Murray and replacing him with Sutter mid-season. In each instance the roster was essentially the same. In each instance the team was significantly better afterward.
Having the right coach for the right roster is critical. Babs is a really good coach. With a different roster he'd have more success. Hell, he had quite a lot of success with our previous roster. But with our current group of guys, he hasn't shown that he can take them to the next level. If we don't consider the possibility that maybe there's a better fit, then the only other option is to tear the team down and rebuild one that Babs can win with. Which is totally unrealistic, and also totally unnecessary. Particularly given the fact that we've already got a coach in the system who knows how to win with our current guys.
Fair enough. I tend to agree with your sentiment. But it's still May and I'm still pissed about the outcome of our series. That's why I go with hate toward him right now. That and I think he's a punk. But yes, that grit or toughness or "compete level" (a term I think is such a lame cliche) that Johnson has is something I'd like to have seen from Gus or Tatar. Hell, if either of them had shown a little of that the Wings would've finished the series in game 5.
I don't think the difference between Johnson and Tatar/Nyquist was "toughness, grit, or compete level". I think, to a large extent, it was because Tyler Johnson was on the ice a lot more than Nyquist and Tatar were. He averaged 18:51 in ice time per game, while Tatar and Nyquist were 15:56 and 15:50 respectively.
Also, our powerplay wasn't very good and that affected their production totals as well.
I don't see what you see. Anytime Helm and Abby are playing in the top 6 you can't call this a skill roster.
Tats showed up for 1-2 games in the playoffs playing against the other teams 3rd/4th line. Nyquist mostly disappeared, Jurco had a horrible year, and Pulkkinen didn't really translate to the NHL even with all the power play time he was given. Weiss is in the coaches dog house so I won't touch that one. He made some mistakes and Babs never let him have a chance to recover.
I don't see how playing people who can't get it done against 3rd and 4th lines in the top 6 is going to make things better.
I know you don't. My point, is that part of the problem is that the Red Wings are trying to make a team full of guys drafted on skill into a team full of blue collar "hard working types". Rather than finding a coach, or playing a system, which compliments and develops their predominant skillset.
This team has a much higher likelihood of success if Tatar, Nyquist, Pulkkinen, and Jurco reach their ceilings than if Glendening, Helm, Abby, Ferraro, or Miller do. Why? Because the ceiling is higher. Babs is excellent at developing grinders and physical guys. He's not been as good at developing skill players.
The answer shouldn't be "change the whole roster to fit Mike Babcock's system", the answer should be "find a coach that can maximize the potential of this roster".
You're putting the cart before the horse. Babcock's system would be lethal in Winnepeg or Columbus but the roster on those teams is conducive to his style. John Cooper, Alain Vigneault, or Peter Laviolette's systems would be better for the current Wings. So, maybe we should find someone like that eh?
Here's the thing I think about as a fan. Instead of being pissed off that Tyler Johnson is good, or "hating him" because he looks like a maidmer (like a mermaid, but with a fish top-half), I want to know why he's playing so well. I mean, he's not bigger, faster, or more skilled than Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar. He wasn't noticeably better than them during the regular season. He's not fundamentally more clutch. He doesn't have a better draft pedigree, or winning tradition. In fact, our own Griffins outshone him in the Calder Cup.
So why is Tyler Johnson carrying his team in the the Conference finals, while our young guys fell flat? Figuring out the answer to that should be the organization's biggest priority, and it's certainly what interests me as a fan of the team.
Really haha I think its one of the best cellys out there. Its emotion and character. Two things our team has been lacking for years
Only other guy who gives a hoot when he scores is Tatar
Yeah, I don't know what it is about the knee slide. I really don't. And it's not even like I have a problem with cellys either. I love how pumped Tatar gets. And if I think about it rationally, I lighten up about the knee slide after a minute too. But when I see it happen in real time, my gut reaction is always a combination of irritation and loathing.
Ugh, I don't know why I have such an aversion to guys sliding across the ice on their knees. I mean, I realize it's an important game, and you just scored a hat trick, and that tons of guys have done way worse and all. But I still get this overwhelming urge to throw a battery at his head when I see him do it.
I'm just saying if not liking a player for his on-ice antics is the sole reason for not wanting him, we've had players who have done plenty of dirty s*** in the past on the team.
Well I certainly don't disagree with that. But I think this is slightly different. He's overpayed, overvalued, and underproducing. No need to acquire a guy like that just because he's "real big" and "real tough". He's a bad player and his own team is dying to get rid of the guy. That should tell you something.