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#2603270 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by kipwinger on 29 April 2015 - 10:52 AM

Smith-Kindl huh?

 

Greeeeeeaaaaaat. 




#2602781 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 03:39 PM

 

Whether or not he could or should be replaced doesn't negate the fact that it's frustrating how poorly Holland has performed at acquiring NHL talent via trade or free agency. He's done a really lousy job of it for five years. Just because he drafts well doesn't mean that it's not colossally frustrating that he's made so many terrible signings and trades over the last five years.

 

I feel like I'm in the middle of the road on the issue at this point to be clear. I don't necessarily think he should be fired for what he's done given all that he brings in other areas, and I think he gets too much blame for a lot of things, but I can understand completely why he's become such a frustrating and polarizing GM. At this point, he's definitely deserving of much of the criticism he gets just as he's deserving of much of the praise that he gets.

 

I disagree with your premise though.  I don't think he has been colossally bad in FA or at the trade deadline, at least not during the time period you're talking about.

 

You yourself said that if you can't get a guy like Suter, you should get a mid level guy.  Which he went out and did, in White and Quincey.  He later got Dekeyser to play in that role too.  He also signed depth defensemen in Colaiacovo, Commodore, and Zidlicky as well. 

 

On top of that he signed or traded for four top six forwards (Alfredsson, Legwand, Weiss, and Cole).  Two of them were busts because of injury.  We don't make the playoffs without the other two.  During that time he also signed depth forward in Tootoo and Sammy.  And he brought in Brunner, I don't really know what you'd call him, though he really didn't play bad for us. 

 

Finally, he brought in a backup goalie for cheap, who acted as a bridge between Howard and Mrazek and did a pretty good job...especially a year ago when Jimmy was injured. 

 

So, in the last five years, Holland brought in:

 

White

Quincey

Colaiacovo

Commodore

Zidlicky

Dekeyser

Alfredsson

Legwand

Weiss

Cole

Brunner

Tootoo

Sammy

Gustavsson. 

 

That's not terrible.  And, aside from injuries (which you can't anticipate before they happen), it's actually a pretty good mix of players that filled a variety of roles for us. 

 

It should also be noted that we didn't give up a hell of a lot to get any of those guys either.  So he managed to do all that AND not mortage the future.  I'd say that's pretty good considering the alternative (give up a fortune for guys like Vanek, Iginla, Jagr, Pominville, Nash, Suter, Parise, etc.) hasn't exactly yielded positive returns for the teams who have gone that route. 




#2602667 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:52 AM

Okay that settles it. Thanks. 

 

I'm clearly in the minority here. And that's fine. He has earned much of his hardware when there was no salary cap. 

 

I don't think he's been that terrific lately.

 

Just my two cents. We apparently disagree though. Which is fine. Neither of us get to fire or retain him anyways. 

 

You've clearly got an axe to grind, which is the point of contention. 

 

You're blaming Holland for things like Nyquist being small and lost, and Stephen Weiss being less effective than he was prior to an injury he didn't have when Holland traded for him. 

 

You're right to say that Holland has made some mistakes over the years.  Nobody would argue that.  But you're attributing things to him which are totally asinine. 

 

And what's more, you're doing it while the team is actually performing pretty well in the playoffs.  Which also suggests some sort of agenda.  You might have a point if we'd just been swept.  But we didn't.  We've played well and earned a 7th game.  Why don't you wait and see how the season turns out before assigning blame/finger pointing. 




#2602663 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:41 AM

Bowman was with us until we won the Cup in '08.

 

Since '10 we haven't gotten through the second round.

 

As a "special consultant".  You know who else is a "special consultant" to the Red Wings.  Chelios and Lidstrom.  It would be a stretch to attribute the team's successes or failures to "special consultants". 

 

You're reaching dude. 

 

You can search the entire world over, and you will not find ANYONE who's a better NHL General Manager than Holland.  He's got the hardware to prove it.  He is, literally, the most accomplished executive in the business.  Period.  Fin. 

 

So I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here, say that he should be replaced with someone better?  There isn't anyone.  Demonstrably so.  Or are you saying that he's really not that good, and that his underlings did all the work?  Which would be silly, because the team was arguably MORE successful when he was the underling. 

 

No matter how you cut it, he's the most competent person at his job...by af****** mile. 




#2602659 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:33 AM


I'm not happy just sneaking into the playoffs. And since Nill and Bowman and Yzerman have left, we have struggled. Agree or disagree?

 

Lol.  Disagree.  Whole heartedly. 

 

Since Bowman left (2002) we've made the playoffs every single year, went to the finals twice, and won the Cup once. 

 

Since Yzerman left (2010) we've made the playoffs every single year.

 

Same with Nill (2013). 

 

You know who's struggled since Yzerman and Nill left?  Yzerman and Nill. 




#2602651 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:22 AM

Only on LGW does a GM "deserve blame" for building an almost entirely homegrown roster, making the playoffs for the zillionth time in a row, and being poised to upset a better team in the first round. 

 

The only thing Ken Holland hasn't done is play/coach the actual game itself. 

 

Has he made some mistakes over the years?  Sure.  Have those mistakes seriously inhibited our chances of being competitive?  The results certainly suggest otherwise.

 

Or is he supposed to make no mistakes whatsoever?




#2602578 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 08:15 AM

Funny thing is, if he scores a goal next game everybody here will immediately change their tune.  Such is the nature of LGW hate. 

 

Zidlicky isn't great, but he's not as bad as must of you are making him out to be either.  Look at the scores in this series.  It's not like ANY of our players are getting absolutely exposed out there.   

 

Did people think that we were going to win every game via a shutout?  Tampa Bay has the best offense in the league, in part, by having the depth to score against third line defenders. 

 

It happens. 




#2600026 Brian McGrattan

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 02:38 PM

I heard Brian McGrattan lost the rubber match in a best two of three Greco Roman wrestling contest.

 

His opponent?

 

The U.S.S. Enterprise. 

 

Rumor has it, "The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart interfered in the third match to secure the Enterprise final victory. 




#2600019 Brian McGrattan

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 01:36 PM

Brain McGrattan uses his own thigh as an anvil. 




#2599999 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 11:56 AM

After 10 months and 140,000,000 miles, NASA's Mars rover, The Curiosity, landed in the Gale Crater of Mars and began sending back pictures.  The first images?  The end of Brian McGrattan's erection...of course.




#2599990 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 11:38 AM

I once watched Brian McGrattan stuff Marshawn Lynch on a fourth and inches.


#2599985 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 11:25 AM

I once saw the Grim Reaper riding a Harley Davidson at Daytona Bike Week.  He had a tattoo of Brian McGrattan. 




#2599983 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 11:19 AM

I once saw Brian McGrattan eat a wheel of aged cheddar cheese, before dancing vigorously to the Black Eyed Peas' "Boom  Boom Pow".

 

He dared me to laugh. 




#2599980 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 11:11 AM

Smelling salts sniff Brian McGrattan when they get knocked out. 




#2599968 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by kipwinger on 24 April 2015 - 10:16 AM

Brian McGrattan once date raped Karl Malone on a dare.