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#2607209 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 11 May 2015 - 03:15 PM

It's partly because our defense is terrible at offense. Every game I watched I was cringing at our transition attempts. Sustained pressure starts with defensemen who can move the puck forward and be relied upon to be part of the offensive cycle.

It felt like there were always 3 players trying to create instead of five, the forwards never even looked comfortable passing back to the defense, which results in poor angle shots and turnovers.

I'm certain there's more to it than that, but our best offensive defensemen are average at best.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the general theme you're suggesting, but you're overstating it a bit.  After trading for Zidlicky, we were slightly above average (amongst playoff teams) in terms of defense scoring.  Our best offensive defensemen (Kronwall, Zidlicky, and Dekeyser) had 44, 34, and 31 pts. respectively.  For comparisons' sake, Duncan Keith, Seabrook, and Hjalmarsson (Chicago's top guys) had 45, 31, and 19 points.  I'd even argue that Ericsson, Quincey, and Kindl contributed MORE than you'd realistically expect them to considering two of them are stay at home guys, and one of them played 34 games.  Smith was underwhelming offensively, but that's relative to his talent and pedigree, and not relative to other third pair puck movers around the league.  

 

And all these guys did that while playing REALLY good defense.  Our shot suppression was impressive, and laudable. 

 

Again, I'm not trying to disagree too much.  I'd love to have a player or two on the back end who have a more dynamic ability to make plays in the offensive zone.  But our defense was actually MUCH better than advertised. How bad it was is drastically overstated around here (I imagine because in the post-Lidstrom era that's all part of the narrative).  Especially in the playoffs.  Our defense wasn't even bad the one game Kronwall and Zidlicky were out.  So I don't want to blame of lack of offense on that too much.  

 

Side note: I laughed when I saw the "Is Kronwall a #1 defenseman" thread the other day.  Kronners plays huge minutes, excellent defense, and scores 40+ points a season, but he's not a number 1.  Keith, Pietrangelo, Suter, Byfuglien, Doughty, OEL, all do the the same thing and they're obviously better for some reason. 




#2607184 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 11 May 2015 - 01:34 PM

I had no idea patric hornqvist was an nhl star

 

It's easy to be confused.  Anybody who regularly plays with Crosby or Malkin can look like a superstar.  Just ask Chris Kunitz. 




#2607170 ECSF : (4) Washington Capitals vs. (1) New York Rangers

Posted by kipwinger on 11 May 2015 - 11:54 AM

You heard it here first folks.  Ovechkin with the first ever "Ovechtrick" in Game 7. 

 

He guaranteed a win, and he'll deliver. 




#2606933 WCSF : (8) Calgary Flames vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by kipwinger on 09 May 2015 - 07:45 PM

My kind of penalty


You need your own blog. I'd read regularly.


#2606800 ECSF : (4) Washington Capitals vs. (1) New York Rangers

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 06:35 PM

GO RED, WHITE AND BLUE!!!

 

You know they're both Red, White, and Blue right?

 

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#2606776 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 03:12 PM

 

"Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Paul Heyman"

 

That would rule soooo much. 




#2606770 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 02:49 PM

 

How would Hitchcock fare in Detroit?  Or is Blashill definitely the coach if Babcock leaves?

 

I think Hitch would fare about as well as Babs has lately.  He's a very similar coach.  And yeah, my money would be on Blash.  He's our John Cooper.  He's had considerable success with the guys who will be the future of our organization, and he's been excellent at every level he's coached at.  I don't see why you'd pick anyone else, but that's just me. 

 

Edit:  If not Blash, I'd give Paul Heyman a shot.  He knows what it takes to manage a champion. 




#2606761 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 02:15 PM

 

You mean playing your 4th line over your top lines in key moments isn't a good idea?   :glare:

 

Well if you ask most everyone else, it's the smartest possible thing to do.  Because Mike Babcock did it. 

 

Another thing to do, and this is probably a long shot, is to play your scorers a lot.  Press offensively.  Control the puck.  And in doing so, make the other team use their 4th line 18 minutes a night and/or render their best player ineffective with defensive assignments.  Nah...what am I saying?  That would never work. 




#2606760 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 02:07 PM

Ribeiro never really dipped and you can't claim a resurgence under Laviolette. he had 49pts in 48 games in the lockout shortened 12-13. He had one down season in 13-14, but that could be explained by the fact that he was playing for the coyotes. That season is also complicated by the fact that he apparently had some issues with alcohal/partying which lead to him being bought out.

 

Forsberg just played his first full year so I would think it more plausible that he was getting used to the league in previous years. 

 

Fair points. If you're ready to attribute Nashville's increase in offense to predominantly those two guys, that's fine.  It doesn't negate the underlying point I was making, which is that coaching style/system can have a significant impact on the productivity of a team. 

 

Perhaps a better example is how Pittsburgh was significantly better (and won a Cup) after they fired Therrien and hired Bylsma mid season.  St. Louis improved dramatically after hiring Hitchcock mid-season.  Anaheim did the same when they hired Boudreau mid-season and got rid of Carlyle.  Los Angeles improved, AND won the Cup after firing Murray and replacing him with Sutter mid-season.  In each instance the roster was essentially the same.  In each instance the team was significantly better afterward. 

 

Having the right coach for the right roster is critical.  Babs is a really good coach.  With a different roster he'd have more success.  Hell, he had quite a lot of success with our previous roster.  But with our current group of guys, he hasn't shown that he can take them to the next level.  If we don't consider the possibility that maybe there's a better fit, then the only other option is to tear the team down and rebuild one that Babs can win with.  Which is totally unrealistic, and also totally unnecessary.  Particularly given the fact that we've already got a coach in the system who knows how to win with our current guys. 




#2606746 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 12:57 PM

Fair enough. I tend to agree with your sentiment. But it's still May and I'm still pissed about the outcome of our series. That's why I go with hate toward him right now. That and I think he's a punk. But yes, that grit or toughness or "compete level" (a term I think is such a lame cliche) that Johnson has is something I'd like to have seen from Gus or Tatar. Hell, if either of them had shown a little of that the Wings would've finished the series in game 5.

 

I don't think the difference between Johnson and Tatar/Nyquist was "toughness, grit, or compete level".  I think, to a large extent, it was because Tyler Johnson was on the ice a lot more than Nyquist and Tatar were.  He averaged 18:51 in ice time per game, while Tatar and Nyquist were 15:56 and 15:50 respectively. 

 

Also, our powerplay wasn't very good and that affected their production totals as well. 




#2606584 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 07 May 2015 - 02:42 PM

 

I don't see what you see.  Anytime Helm and Abby are playing in the top 6 you can't call this a skill roster.

 

Tats showed up for 1-2 games in the playoffs playing against the other teams 3rd/4th line.  Nyquist mostly disappeared, Jurco had a horrible year, and Pulkkinen didn't really translate to the NHL even with all the power play time he was given.  Weiss is in the coaches dog house so I won't touch that one.  He made some mistakes and Babs never let him have a chance to recover.

 

I don't see how playing people who can't get it done against 3rd and 4th lines in the top 6 is going to make things better.

 

I know you don't.  My point, is that part of the problem is that the Red Wings are trying to make a team full of guys drafted on skill into a team full of blue collar "hard working types".  Rather than finding a coach, or playing a system, which compliments and develops their predominant skillset. 

 

This team has a much higher likelihood of success if Tatar, Nyquist, Pulkkinen, and Jurco reach their ceilings than if Glendening, Helm, Abby, Ferraro, or Miller do.  Why?  Because the ceiling is higher. Babs is excellent at developing grinders and physical guys.  He's not been as good at developing skill players.

 

The answer shouldn't be "change the whole roster to fit Mike Babcock's system", the answer should be "find a coach that can maximize the potential of this roster". 

 

You're putting the cart before the horse.  Babcock's system would be lethal in Winnepeg or Columbus but the roster on those teams is conducive to his style.  John Cooper, Alain Vigneault, or Peter Laviolette's systems would be better for the current Wings.  So, maybe we should find someone like that eh?




#2606582 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 07 May 2015 - 02:31 PM

Here's the thing I think about as a fan.  Instead of being pissed off that Tyler Johnson is good, or "hating him" because he looks like a maidmer (like a mermaid, but with a fish top-half), I want to know why he's playing so well.  I mean, he's not bigger, faster, or more skilled than Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar.  He wasn't noticeably better than them during the regular season.  He's not fundamentally more clutch.  He doesn't have a better draft pedigree, or winning tradition. In fact, our own Griffins outshone him in the Calder Cup. 

 

So why is Tyler Johnson carrying his team in the the Conference finals, while our young guys fell flat?  Figuring out the answer to that should be the organization's biggest priority, and it's certainly what interests me as a fan of the team. 




#2606562 Meanwhile in sweden...

Posted by kipwinger on 07 May 2015 - 12:04 PM

What if the ads on the jerseys were Watermelon Laffy Taffy ads? What would you all do then, huh?

 

With seeds or without?




#2606545 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kipwinger on 07 May 2015 - 11:34 AM

Is there any way that we can bring Tom Brady on board in some capacity?

 

No there's a guy who'll do what it takes to win. 




#2606497 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 07 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

 

Really haha I think its one of the best cellys out there. Its emotion and character. Two things our team has been lacking for years

 

Only other guy who gives a hoot when he scores is Tatar

 

Yeah, I don't know what it is about the knee slide.  I really don't.  And it's not even like I have a problem with cellys either.  I love how pumped Tatar gets.  And if I think about it rationally, I lighten up about the knee slide after a minute too.  But when I see it happen in real time, my gut reaction is always a combination of irritation and loathing.