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#2546857 GDT:11/4 Detroit Red Wings vs. Ottawa Senators 7:30p.m

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 11:23 PM

This team lacks identity.  We've got an organizational philosophy that values skill and puck possession, and a coach that wants to play a grinding, "heavy", crash and bang sort of game (as evidence, look how much our fourth line played tonight late in the game.  He clearly prefers grinding, dump and chase hockey).  Since the GM, roster, and drafting philosophy aren't going anywhere, Babs is going to have to make some adjustments to his game play to maximize the talent he's got.  If he does, we'll come around.  If he doesn't, we'll flounder. 


For years I've heard over, and over, and over again that Babs is the best in the business in getting the most out of his players.  Time to test that theory.  This is not an untalented team.  This is a team that's under performing.  Let's see how good he really is at maximizing the talent he's got. 


Also, Ken Holland, you listening?  We need a second line center and another PP capable defenseman. Seriously.  f***.

#2546611 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 03:46 PM


Simply because we already have a second line center waiting to return. And if he returns your scenario would put us in a ridiculous bad position. We both agree on Helms abilities or the lack of them respectively  (and Franzen btw). But what we need is a short time solution to compensate for Weiss and in my opinion that means putting Helm on the wing.


Agreed that we're waiting to see if Weiss comes back and produces.  But that shouldn't change Helm's fate.  If Weiss does come back and is 100% and effective, then we've got two third line centers (Helm and Sheahan) and one needs to be traded.  If Weiss doesn't come back then we've got one guy (Helm) who's a good third line center but not a good enough second line center.  So pair him with prospects  and/or picks and trade him for a better one.  The only way Helm should stay on the team is if he (or Riley Sheahan) start producing like a second line center.  Otherwise he's at best redundant, and at worst not good enough. 

#2546604 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 03:32 PM


Ok so who exactly IS putting up points to justify a top 6 position over Helm.  Don't see many guys stepping up...


I know this is a stretch, but here goes.


Why don't we leave the top line like it is.  And then pair Darren Helm with one or two of the 10,000,000 high quality NHL prospects we've got (that we don't have room for) and trade them for a second line center. 


Then you could have



Franzen-2nd line center-Nyquist




Jason Spezza and Ryan Kesler got moved for offers that we could have matched or beaten and we didn't make offers (Kesler had Detroit on his short list at last years' deadline, but not after we fell flat in the playoffs).  Not saying it had to be one of those guys...but lets not pretend like it's impossible to trade for a center.

#2546602 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 03:26 PM


Some here say the same about Franzen. ;) No one is opting for a free for all here, but as long as our supposed second line center is out we have to make compromises and play guys on positions that aren't optimal. Helm isn't the perfect winger for sure but he should be better than Shehan who imho isn't ready to center a top 6 line yet.


Whoever says that Franzen doesn't produce consistent offense isf****** retarded.  That's the only thing he's done consistently his entire career.  Barring injury you'll get 20+ goals, and 40-50 pts. out of him like clock work. 


If you ever encounter someone who says Franzen doesn't produce consistent offense you should hit them in the head with a hammer. 


Conversely if you meet someone who says Helm doesn't produce consistent offense you should get them to tell you more things that are incredibly obvious and quantifiable statistically. 

#2546579 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 01:59 PM

The problem isn't the position he is being played in, it's the role he is being played in. Helm shouldn't be relied on to play in the top 6 and put up big points, he should be relied on to forecheck hard, wear on the opponents, and chip in a few points...


So he should be a grinder?  I agree.  It's almost like, with his skill set, he'd be "the best third line center in the league".  Seems like I heard that about him once.  Instead of being the best third line center, he's been a mediocre scoring line winger.  How's that a good use of his talent?

#2546563 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 01:21 PM

Was anyone else as disappointed as me when RedWingsCentral decided to stop writing articles?... I looked forward to them every week... :unhappy:


I used to go there all the time and check out there prospect reporting.  It was clearly the best source of prospect news.  Especially overseas prospect news.  Bar none. 

#2546534 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 11:48 AM

I didn't see a GDT yet and didn't think it was worth a new one, but here's what's going on at the Wings practice:
Mule on the third line? Are they easing him in coming back from injury?


Those were the same lines that ended the last game.  It just looks like they swapped the second and third lines.  Perhaps because the Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar line had the better offensive push last game.  The Franzen line was still finding it's feet a little in my opinion. 

#2546453 The lesson here? Cheating pays off once in a while

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 04:11 PM

David Leggio is the same guy who did this spot on impression of Pierre McGuire while talking to his buddy Tyson Strachan whom we saw last night against the Sabres. 


#2546432 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 02:55 PM


Obviously not. I see what you're saying. And to be fair Ribeiro and Roy were risky signings. I guess Poile was just trying to fill his cupbaord.


The fact remains that Jarnkrok is way down Nashville's depth chart at the moment. He should be in Milwaukee right now.


Agreed.  I'm just saying that he's not producing because he's not getting any opportunity, not because he's no good.  He's only getting checking line minutes (13:26 per game) and at 180 lbs. he's not going to do you much good on a checking line. 

#2546429 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 02:41 PM


This does beg the question: If Jarnkrok's so s*** hot that Holland needs to be castrated for trading him, why did Poile go out and sign Ribeiro and Roy?



Probably so that Nashville's entire season wasn't resting on the shoulders of an NHL rookie with a mere 12 games of experience under his belt. 


Would you feel good going into a season with Riley Sheahan as your #1 center?

#2546396 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 11:57 AM

His name is actually, Humungus -- Warrior of the Wasteland. The original Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-ah!!   (No offense, Chris Jericho.) 


...but Zergs also goes by Humungus.


Meh...Zemungus, Humungus.  Same diff. 

#2546386 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 09:45 AM


I hear that over on LetsGoSabres they just call him Zergs.  ...but also that it's frowned upon.  :bye:


We're talking about the same guy right?  Lord Zemongous?



#2546301 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 02 November 2014 - 07:49 PM

Shootout?  Where's Nestrasil when you need him?

#2546246 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 02 November 2014 - 07:30 PM

Anyone else just not thrilled with Jurco? We all bought the hype but he's always been the weak link of the kid line and I don't remember ever being wowed. Obviously he's still young but based on what he's shown so far in his NHL career he's looking more like a Brunnstrom or Leino to me. Only not scoring as much but working harder.


He's 21.  Give him time.  Look how long it took Abdelkader to develop his game.  Jurco is good on the boards, hits, and plays well in the crease.  For that alone I'd give him a couple years.   Hell, at 21 Tomas Tatar couldn't even get a cup of coffee in the NHL.  He's still developing. 


But agreed that it's be nice for him to get it going like last year. 


I actually blame all six players on the ice for that goal. 


If that had been Kindl who turned the puck over you would have been leading the mob with pitch forks and torches, not "blaming all six players".

#2546228 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 02 November 2014 - 07:22 PM

Don't anybody blame the fourth line.  Smith turned the puck over in the D-zone.  He's been good tonight but that was on him.