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#2532716 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

I really don't get the people shaking their heads at COL in terms of dealing with O'Reilly.  Yes, he's coming off a career year, but that career year is nothing compared to the consistent years that the players earning the money he wants put up.


At first, I didn't understand at all how he could even have been making $6.5M, but then I remembered the offer sheet...that's how he got there to begin with.  So I decided to do a bit of checking.  I had a look at all the other players in the league with cap hits at or greater than $6.5M (he's now looking for $6.75M by the way, but my guess is that is to aim a bit high and let it come down a bit).  This is what I found:


26 forwards in the league at that level:


16 - have scored 40 or more goals or 100 or more points

4 - have scored 90 or more points

3 - have scored 80 or more points


That leaves the following 4 that haven't scored 40 goals or more than 80pts:


Toews - he has scored 34 goals and 76 pts, but I don't think we need to use stats to say that you can't compare to Toews


Bergeron - he's scored more than 30 goals 2 times and scored more than 60 points 5 times, 70+ points 2 times, selke winner - no comparison


Stastny - getting a bit more comparable, but he has scored 78 points in the NHL and another season with 70+ points as well + he signed his deal as a UFA...big difference


Koivu - this is the one I can't quite understand (i.e. why he's paid so much) - his stats are still better than O'Reilly's career year and he's consistently scored 20+ goals and has scored more than 70 points, but he still looks overpaid.


So, to me, O'Reilly and his 28 goal and 64 point career year don't seem to explain to me why he should be paid $6.5M.


To me it's more a matter of Colorado mishandling the situation so badly that they were put in this position in the first place.  This is exactly what happens if you try and lowball good young talent.  As a 21 year old he was putting up 50+ pts. and was one of the better defensive forwards in the league and his team wanted to hold his feet over the fire.  There had to be a better way to satisfy him AND retain his services without completely alienating the kid.  Sadly, Colorado management didn't seem up to the task. 

#2532689 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 10:32 AM

What are we looking at here?

#2532685 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 10:21 AM

I was just looking at this project on a map.  It's not a stretch to say they're literally rebuilding an entire portion of the city.  The footprint on it is absolutely massive.  Anybody who thinks this is just another arena is nuts.

#2532680 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 10:05 AM

I love the LED dome up top.  That will look REALLY cool on game night. 

#2532442 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by kipwinger on 18 July 2014 - 03:59 AM

The Wing's front office obviously realizes that fans are upset, because this is pretty clearly Babcock doing damage control for Holland. 


Here's an article also referencing the interview.  





I guess we'll just wait and see what the future and Cleary's knee holds. I'm also not sure how much confidence I should give their trainer given the Wing's extensive injuries last season. 


Obvious speculation about "damage control" aside, Mike Barwis isn't the Red Wings trainer.  He's an outside specialist and (based on my very brief internet search) seems to be pretty well respected and established. 

#2532278 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by kipwinger on 16 July 2014 - 03:37 PM


That's cause that's not slander


That's what opinionated pieces are for.


Checking the validity of what's said doesn't move something from the realm of "truth" into the realm of "opinion".  If Holland says "our powerplay is bad because we've been injured" and a reporter says "wait a minute, your powerplay is bad even when the team isn't injured"; that doesn't make what the reporter said an opinion.  And wouldn't you rather have a reporter ask that follow up question than just trumpet "our powerplay is bad because we were injured" back to you whether that's the actual truth or not? 

#2532277 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by kipwinger on 16 July 2014 - 03:29 PM


I couldn't disagree more with that first sentence...


By the sounds of it your advocating for a media atmosphere more like Toronto.  I live in that media sphere and let me tell you it is one huge distraction for that team.


I didn't say a word about Toronto and you're misrepresenting my point to the extreme in order to validate your own.  Surely you'd agree that there's a happy middle ground between "not questioning the organization at all" and "being endlessly combative for the sake of validating oneself". 


I don't think anybody should second guess each and every single little roster decision the coach or GM make.  But I also don't it would be asking too much if the next time Ken Holland said "We don't want to overpay for free agents", a member of the media would respond "didn't you just overpay for Cleary and Quincey?  Why is it ok in those instances?"

So the Powerplay is struggling, whatya have to say about that Mr. Holland?  We've had a lot of injuries.  What's there to follow up on?  What could Chaka Khan or HSJ say to that?  No, you're wrong, it's all your fault for the poor signings?  Gee, guys, you're right, I suck and I'll quit right now.  If it wasn't for your hard hitting reporting and pointing that out, I might not have realized that.


So you signed Danny Cleary when it wasn't popular with the fans, what do you say to THAT?  Well, it was popular with our players and coaches, and that's who I listen to.  I also promised DC that when he chose to come back to the Wings that if he signed with us for a year, I'd give him a second year and we keep our promises, for the good and the bad.  But we think Cleary sucks and we need a defenseman for our PP.  You do????  Oh, well then, I'll tear up the contract and go sign a top rated RH offensive minded D man for the league minimum.  I didn't realize we needed help there.  Thanks for being such good reporters!


The powerplay has struggled since 2010.  Was it injuries every year or is there a bigger problem?  You know who would be great at answering that question?  A member of the sports media. 

#2532147 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 15 July 2014 - 11:53 AM

I don't really have a problem with how Alfie played.  He was alright.  But I still just think we'll run into the same exact problem we have for the last five or six years.  Good teams will keep us to the outside and block shots.  Alfie doesn't help with that.  If we don't get guys into the lineup that can play (and score, sorry Abby) around the crease then we'll just keep running up against the same obstacles year after year. 

#2532008 Red Wings new assistant coaches

Posted by kipwinger on 14 July 2014 - 12:13 PM

I vote for CHRIS DRAPER :thumbup:


No thanks.  I'd prefer someone who's actually coached a single hockey game at any adult level.  Tired of this good ol boy s***.  This organization needs to start acting professionally. 

#2531989 Tomas Jurco's Ridiculous New Stick Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 14 July 2014 - 08:50 AM

Get this kid on the first line with D and Z, and Mantha on the third with Tatar and Sheahan and I'll call our forward corps improved over last year. 


Now if only we could figure out a way to improve an abysmal defense that absolutely, positively, 100% could not be any better than it currently is because fate is against Ken Holland. 

#2531821 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 12 July 2014 - 11:51 AM

He already said he wants market value on this contract. So like I said, no problem with trading Tatar for green.


Market value?  How dare he!

#2531693 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by kipwinger on 11 July 2014 - 08:48 PM

Recently, I was planning a bachelor's party for my brother to celebrate his upcoming nuptials.  As I was going down the list of people I needed to invite, I came across an interesting name.  Let's call him Stan Dearly. There are no obvious advantages to inviting Stan.  He's dumb, provides nothing of substance to any gathering, is not funny, interesting, or good natured.  He's also cheap, and wouldn't buy a round of beers if you held his feet over a fire.  In short, I hate Stan Dearly.  A lot.


But through some sort of cruel twist of fate, Stan Dearly is married to my sister.  I cannot, for the life of me, explain why someone as seemingly clear minded as my sister would marry Stan Dearly.  He is a fool.  She is not.  And so I chalk it up to god's will, and choose not to ask questions I can't answer, similar to when my pet turtle Bingo died when I was 7. 


I will have to invite Stan Dearly to that bachelor's party.  Despite every single inclination to the contrary, I have to do it.  If only to make my clearly misguided sister happy.  I'll hate every second of it.  He'll be dull, disinterested, and sleazy.  He'll spend too much time on his smart phone, and complain about the cigar smoke.  He'll try and test my patience in ways that should never have happened if there were any sort of fairness in this universe. 


And that's exactly how I feel about the Dan Cleary signing too. 

#2531624 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 11 July 2014 - 03:41 PM


Tatar wants out anyway though, he's pretty much made that clear. He's threatened more than once to bolt back to the KHL if not brought up, which I completely don't fault him for being subject to such an incompetent and disconnected GM, but nonetheless I think he's already decided he rather play somewhere else. 


One thing we have a plethora of is forwards, might as well take a risk and get a guy with a killer right shot from the point.


Regardless, wouldn't save our dumpster fire of an offseason though. 


No he hasn't.  When commenting on his contract earlier this summer he said...


"On Friday we'll begin negotiating a contract. It's tough to talk about it. Detroit's my priority. I'd say that it's 90% that I'll stay there, only if a fantastic offer came from another team, that Detroit didn't want to match.  Everything depends on negotiations. I can't go below the price that a similar player in the league will have earned. But I like the team, and I'll settle there. It's all business, though, and the team could always replace me."


Doesn't sound like a guy that's dying to bolt to another team or the KHL. 

#2531621 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 11 July 2014 - 03:32 PM

i would do green for tatar straight up


And what would you tell everybody when Green walks at the end of this season to play with a contender?  "Sorry folks, now we lost a top flight young forward AND couldn't keep Green". 

#2531537 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by kipwinger on 11 July 2014 - 11:49 AM

So I couldn't bear to read through this entire thread, was it confirmed as a one-way deal or not?


I haven't heard definitively.  Malik says "yes".  But he's an idiot so I'm not sure.