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#2429384 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

As for all the smith hate (or disappointment), I'd like to use kindl as an example.. it took him a few years to adjust to the nhl and in some ways I'm sure he still is. Anyway, kindl won me over this year and I'm sure smith will too. It's not a make it or break it season for him just yet.


I don't think anyone is saying it's "make it or break it", just that he stunk last year (in Torts' terms), and that he probably won't make much if he has an arbitration hearing.  Obviously he's only going to get better. 

#2429316 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2013 - 06:23 PM

Dekeyser played unreasonably well for someone jumping into the NHL like that.  Most defensemen when they enter the league play closer to how Smith did than Dekeyser.


I'll fully admit I was hoping for more from Smith.  I'm still confident he'll become a much stronger player over time though.  As I've mentioned before, Jiri Fischer was despised on these boards for the longest time.  You can't give up on players right away.  (And by "you", I don't literally mean you, Kip, I mean the large group of people here that bash Smith.)  There's frequently a huge lack of patience here.


Yeah I agree, he'll get better there's no question about it.  And how could he not after last season's performance lol. 


He'll be fine. 

#2429309 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

I don't know why some ppl are on Smith's ass so much.  He's only played for 1/2 a season in the NHL and only 13 games in 2011-2012. 


Because he played terrible during that 1/2 season.  You could say the same thing about Dekeyser, only he played even fewer games.  You know what the difference is?  One of them didn't make several boneheaded mistakes each game, while failing to live up to the one thing that got them to the NHL in the first place.  Brendan Smith was awful, defensively (which I don't care about as much because it was always a given that he'd need to improve there) AND offensively (which is a worse sin since he was supposedly an offensive defenseman).


I'm sure he'll improve.  But you can't whitewash the truth.  Yes he was a rookie, so is every player at one time or another.  But not every rookie sucks doorknobs. 

#2429254 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2013 - 03:14 PM


What it comes down to is that Brunner is a one-dimensional player with one decent season under his belt, most of it played with Datsyuk and/or Zetterberg and with ample power play time. This season saw him suffer from substantial spells of inconsistency, and he was the weakest defensive player on the team. Many teams may be hesitant to spend a substantial amount of money and years on such an unproven player. Bear in mind that Brunner entered the NHL at a far higher age than most players, and thus may be considered to have reached his peak already.


That's definitely a legitimate concern, but I think with a full training camp, offseason conditioning, and all the other perks that come along with being a player on a professional club in the NHL, Brunner is only going to improve.  How much?  I have no idea.  But I don't think it's a long shot to assume he'll improve on his transition year.  The guy's a good player, and a lot of this contract stuff has soured people on him, but he's not as bad as he's been made out to be by his defectors, and not as good as his supporters.  I think tops you're looking at a guy who can basically play Michael Ryder's game.  But he's not there yet, and therefore doesn't deserve the money he's asking. For the life of me I don't know why he didn't sign a one year deal and then cash in after a strong performance this season. 

#2429251 Holland on SiriusXM w/ audio link

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2013 - 03:09 PM


A full, exhaustive comparison of hit severity between the two conferences would be prohibitively time-consuming. From my own experience as a researcher, and given the total absence of extraneous factors that may cause a difference in average impact force between the two conferences, I feel it is safe to conclude that there would be no significant difference. All of those involved are professional hockey players; there are (obviously) no environmental differences between the conferences that would account for a disparity in impact force; and many (perhaps most) of these players have resided in both conferences throughout their careers. Those with the most influence over the degree of physicality in play are general managers---in player selection---and coaches---in play direction---both of whom see regular turnover, and very many of whom have served in both conferences.

As far as I can tell, the main difference the Red Wings will experience in the East will be far lower cumulative travel mileage.


Penalty minutes are not necessarily an effective measurement of physicality, being that many penalties come from poor decision making, lack of discipline, and breakdowns in defensive coverage.


I completely agree.  All too often though, this "fear the East's physicality" argument boils down to how many penalty minutes are accrued as your previous post clearly pointed out there's no difference in hits or fights.  I think when people suggest that our guys will get beat up in the East they're thinking of the dirty stuff.  And I couldn't be more delighted if that's the way teams play us all season long.  I'd be happy to have an 82 game power play.  I'll start worrying when "the East is more physical" means that the East plays a more fast paced, in your face type of game and so far I'm not convinced they do. 

#2429242 Holland on SiriusXM w/ audio link

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2013 - 02:08 PM

Let the East rack up penalty minutes against us, so long as our powerplay is better than last year I'm ok with it.  I'd be more pissed if we responded with similar goonery.  This whole debate reminds me of the Pittsburgh/Philly series two years ago.  A million penalty minutes, a million fights, and million goals and arguably the worst playoff hockey since the 2005 lockout.  Embarrassing.  I'll take our "soft euro" team any day rather than watch Scott Hartnell try to act like a bad professional wrestler (and even worse hockey player). 

#2429044 Holland on SiriusXM w/ audio link

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2013 - 02:24 PM


we cannot afford to lose 1 game in 6 to them


This is a little bit over the top.  Expecting to win out against good teams in your division is unrealistic.  We won zero games against the Hawks last year and zero against Columbus and still made the playoffs.  We don't have to beat them every game, we don't  even have to split with them.  Obviously I'd prefer if we did, but if not, it isn't the end of the world. 

#2428495 Abdelkader Hypothetical

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2013 - 01:26 PM

I disagree with you.

Abby has a strong "ramp up" history, meaning he's worked his way up the ladder through experience and increased production, everywhere he has played. Juniors, College, AHL. If the past predicates the future, we should see Abby start to put up dlgood numbers soon. Im not saying he's going to be an all star. Im saying he will put up 50-60 pts if he plays with Z and Dats on the top line and PP.


In the 2008 and 2009 seasons, with Datsyuk and Zetterberg in their primes and having their best career offensive seasons, Holmstrom never had 50 pts.  Contrary to what some believe, neither Datsyuk nor Zetterberg are the same players they were then.  Those guys will be good this year, but they aren't going to squeeze blood from a stone.  I'd love it if you're right, but Abby has not shown the ability to produce even as consistently as Miller at the NHL level, and D and Z aren't at an age where they can still make anyone around them look that good.  Hell Franzen has consistently played on Datsyuk's wing for a couple years now and only gets 50-60 pts.  And whether you like him or not, Franzen is about 2,000,000 times the offensive player that Abby is. 


Playing with Datsyuk or Zetterberg is no longer a way to get more out of less.  At their age we should be acquiring complimentary pieces to help keep their numbers up, not the other way around.  I would have loved a shooting winger for Datsyuk, and to see Zetterberg on Weiss' wing.  In my opinion that would be a better dynamic than once again asking those two to play their game and half of everybody else's as well. 

#2428484 is anyone happy right now?

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

I'll be happy IF Sammy is on LTIR for the entire season, IF Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Alfie don't play their age, IF all the kids perform as well as they did last season (or better in Smith's case), IF Jimmy continues to steal games for us and make our defense look better than it is, IF Bertuzzi and Cleary can be effective,  IF Franzen has a very productive year, IF Helm are Weiss are healthy and regain their form, and IF we find goal scoring from guys we didn't know had it in them. 


There are a lot of question marks going into this season, just like last season.  Contrary to what I said all season, Babcock had a plan and got a lot out of a little.  He did well.  I hope he can do it again because I don't feel really comfortable going into a hockey season in today's NHL when none of our best players are in their prime and all of our young guys haven't show that they can help shoulder the load.  It puts way too much pressure on guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall to carry the load and none of those guys are going to produce the way they have in the past. 

#2428466 Abdelkader Hypothetical

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2013 - 12:58 PM

In 2010-2011 Tomas Holmstrom scored 18 goals and had 19 assists, at the age of 35.  I don't expect Abdelkader will ever have an offensive season that productive, first line or no.  This isn't to say that he can't help up there, or that he's bad or anything else.  But I don't believe that he's offensively capable of anything like that.  If we recall, of his 10 goals this season, three came in one game, two others were scored in one game when Datsyuk banked goals in off Abby's body, and his first goal of the season was banked in off him as well. 


Kudos to him for going to the net, but it's not like his "career year" was some sort of coming out party.  He played 23 games before he scored his first goal, and then finished strong with a little help from his friends. He was barely an offensive threat for the majority of the games this season and might just as easily have ended with four or five goals as opposed to ten.  He's on the ice to clear space for Datsyuk to be better offensively, not the other way around.  He'll finish next season with ten or less goals and twenty or less assists, after being replaced by Bertuzzi or Sammy on the top line.  Ugh. 

#2428068 Wings Attempting to Re-sign Cleary

Posted by kipwinger on 06 July 2013 - 03:10 PM

Thank God, for a second I almost thought we'd have a young, high energy team.  I.  Don't.  Understand. 

#2427487 is anyone happy right now?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 July 2013 - 04:24 PM

...and still no goal scorer.  I long for a goal scorer.  You know, the kind that consistently scores goals.  Other than that, happy about Weiss and not thrilled about anything else.  I guess we'll have to see how things go, but again...goal scorer?

#2427378 is anyone happy right now?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

So here's the deal, I've been camping all week and have no idea what lead up to all this.  Why no Sammy buyout?  Since when were the Wings interested in Alfie and why?  Has Brunner signed somewhere else or is he just taking his time?  What's the news on the RFAs?  Why aren't they signed?


All I know is that we've got 2 goalies, 7 defensemen, and 42,000 forwards.  Something's got to give right?

#2427314 is anyone happy right now?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 July 2013 - 03:02 PM

I'm happy with gaining Weiss and losing Flip and Cleary.  However, I'm not happy that Alfie is on the team, or that Sammy is still on the team, or that Brunner isn't signed yet.  So on balance I'd say I'm about 50/50

#2423269 Jonathan Ericsson - should we consider trading him?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2013 - 12:05 AM




just worried that his salary demands will be to high and we'll lose him for nothing ... if we got him signed to say 4.5 x 5 yrs tomorrow id be happy


The same is true for every single free agent ever.  There's always the possibility of that.  But can't trade every potential free agent that "might" leave.  You'd be the Philadelphia Flyers, and look how well that works out for them.