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#2568032 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 02:42 PM

I want Holland to trade for only people I like, and only trade away guys I don't.  Is that too much to ask?

#2568019 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 12:59 PM

JVR too, please! :)


We should get Dave Dombrowski to teach Kenny how to trade rape other teams.  He's magic at trading guys. 


"Hey, we want Dontrell Willis, but if you'll throw in that Cabrera guy we'll give you an extra good prospect!"


"Hey, we want Cody Franson, but if you'll throw in that Van Riemsdyk character we'll give you and extra good prospect!"

#2568014 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 12:51 PM

5 million for a guy that'll put up 50 pts. from the back end this year?  Yep.  I don't care about his supposed defensive lapses.  I view it the same way I did the Wisniewski contract.  50 pts. defensemen don't grow on trees, and certainly don't come along too often at the prime of their careers. 

#2568008 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 12:18 PM

And you'd have to think that the price would be higher for the Wings, being an inter division trade, and just the fact that its the wings and the leafs....


I think it's a concern, but probably not as much as you'd think.  Teams do it regularly.  If the return package is good, it's good.  Kesler to Anaheim.  Vanek to Montreal.  You've got to figure, Franson is an FA and can sign anywhere (including Detroit) so might as well get the best package regardless of destination.  Besides, they're about to enter a full blown rebuild.  They won't be competing with us anytime soon so why worry about Cody Franson hurting you down the line?

#2567998 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 11:56 AM

He'd keep a not as talented NHL ready defenseman down in Grand Rapids... So what? I'd play Franson over any defenseman in Grand Rapids right now and I'd trade any of them in favor of Franson except for Sproul...


He's not a great 2/3 defenseman? Again, I'll ask you, do you actually watch Franson play? Like I've said before, I wanted him since his days in Nashville, and I still watch a ton of him now, because my girlfriend is a Leafs fan... He is a really good second pairing guy. How many defenseman in the league put up similar numbers and are better defensively? Not many, and the guys that are, are the elite of elite.


He is worth much more than a second round pick, even as a rental. If we could somehow be sure that he would re-sign, I'd give much more than that for him. He is better than over half the defenseman on our team right now, and you don't want him for a second round pick? But yet you're willing to drain our prospect pool, give up roster players and picks for Ekman-Larsson?


Franson is the exact type of defenseman this team needs. Get it done Kenneth!


But lets get down to brass tacks...would you trade Smith for him?  Or would your head explode at the thought lol?

#2567994 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 11:43 AM

He'd either be a rental or keep an NHL ready d in GR.
He's not a great 2/3 d, he's putting up points but isn't good in his own end. Babcock has no room for that type of player. Unless he changes how he plays Babcock would have him playing 12 minutes a night.


You didn't answer the question, you wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Cody Franson?

#2567986 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 10:37 AM

Franson isn't that good. He might be better playing for a team with better structure but he might also get banished by Babcock. I'd rather stand pat if they can't make a major move.


You seriously wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Franson?  He's already got 29 pts. on the season. 


I get your concern, I'm reluctant (in some ways) to take cast offs from bad teams too.  But I'd certainly give a second round pick for him. 

#2567983 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 10:26 AM


Or sign  him for nothing but $ in the off-season.


A second isn't too much to pay. If teams are asking the world for a guy, then wait and sign him later, but if the price is reasonable you should get the jump on it.  Aside from the fact that he'd be useful for our playoff run, there's no guarantee we'll be as good next year as we are this year.  What if we wait and injuries are a problem again?  Or Jimmy has a bad year?  Or Babs leaves and we've got a rookie coach? 


If teams want you to overpay, then wait until the offseason.  If they want a second for Cody Franson, give them the second plus Landon Ferraro and kill two birds with one stone lol. 

#2567978 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 10:19 AM

If the Leafs only want a second rounder for Franson, what do they want for Franson and JVR?  A second and roster player? 


Edit:  Just imagine a top six of...





I drool. 

#2567827 Ovechkin joins elite company

Posted by kipwinger on 02 February 2015 - 04:00 PM


Russian Sniper > American Sniper




Russian Sniper > German Sniper > American Sniper



#2567814 Ovechkin joins elite company

Posted by kipwinger on 02 February 2015 - 02:11 PM


Well I have only really been a Wings fan and if Tatar or Nyquist or pretty much any other winger not named Franzen played like Ovechkin did/does they wouldn't be around.  Two way players is in my opinion the only way hockey should be played and all the rest of those guys are one trick ponies who sit in the slot or on the dot most the game waiting for a good pass or cherry pick waiting for a pass to score easy.  Just not my thing.

Coaches tend to overlook a lot of deficiencies when you score a bunch of goals.  If Alex Ovechkin, or any player putting up Ovechkin level points, was on our team, Mike Babcock would accept the offense and stay oddly quiet about all the rest.  Just like he's done with Franzen for years.  You don't ever hear Babs calling Mule out do you?  Wanna know why?  Because he needed the goals. 

#2567781 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 February 2015 - 09:36 AM

As I said in the Ovechkin thread about two different players, durability counts for a lot in this sport.  Green is the more dynamic offensive player, and Yandle is less dynamic but much more durable.  As good as Green's point per game totals are, I'd rather have a guy with slightly less offensive ability, but who's a threat every shift every night for 82 games a year.  That's Yandle.  To me he's the better player because he plays at a consistently high level night in and night out. 


But like others have said, I think Green's the better fit for this team (if signed in free agency).  Because with Washington's turnaround this season, he's not getting traded for anything less than a substantial overpayment. 

#2567673 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 February 2015 - 01:04 PM


Not even Godström would like that great on that roster, that's how bad they are and we all know why. The point is Buffalo doesn't have to trade Myers - even if he isn't as good as advertised - they aren't even close to the cap and won't  be for a few more years and they know that other teams are desperate for defensive help that drives the price up. I mean if it's Pulkinnen, Jurco and and a pick I'd pull the trigger but not if i t includes one of Larkin, Mantha (one of them should only be on the table if we are talking about OEL).


I'm also wondering why are people so high on Green ? The guy is not a great defender, sadly injury prone and around 30 by the time this team could content again he will be way past his prime. Green will command a big payday and for what he brings I'd rather go after other defenders (including Franson). I haven't watched a lot of Leafs games this season because they are incredible boring to watch with their stupid new philosophy but I think Franson could be a solid signing come July 1 although I'd prefer some bigger name like Boychuck - Isles won't have the money to re-sign him as long as Wang is still at the helm -.


As much as the media is hyping up this trade deadline I think it will be a very boring one with only minor movements...the top teams are close to the cap and the bottom teams will for sure not t rade their first round pick in such a deep draft so all the ingredients for the most boring trade dead line since years are there.


A 29 year old Mike Green is too old to help us, but a 31 year old Johnny Boychuk isn't? 


Do you have a fever?

#2567603 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by kipwinger on 31 January 2015 - 07:10 PM

Having a right shot on that bottom pair directly contributed to Smith's goal.  Marchenko made a play at the line to keep the puck in, and chipped in in deep on his forehand (something a lefty couldn't do) to Jurco who found Smith in good position for the one timer (something he couldn't have done if he'd been on the other side). 


Good work by all involved, but having the right/left pair out there was a huge key to that goal. 

#2567172 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 02:15 PM


I don't necessarily agree with the idea of trading certain people, but I am always amused by how easily people forget what Holland has tried to do again and again over the last several years. When he fails to do what he is attempting to do, we ended up signing a lot of s***. Then when the s*** breaks down, our prospects get called up and prove themselves.


Suddenly Holland is a genius who knew what he had in Grand Rapids and that's why he stood pat.


Wait, what?


If Holland had accomplished some of the things he's tried to accomplish over the last few years in free agency, this team would look very different. Based on what he did accomplish in free agency, it's reasonable to say we're probably lucky Holland struck out more often than not. The kids are legit, and I'll give all the credit in the world to Holland and his team for great drafting and development. But Holland tried hard to do something that would give this team a very, very different look than they have now. Maybe it would've worked out, and maybe not, but it is absurd to suggest that this was the plan all along and Holland knew what he was doing. 


Holland has consistently refused to trade highly touted prospects and high draft picks.  He's repeated his mantra of "building from within" soooo often that I've wanted to punch him.  Presumably he has this point of view because he believes it's the right way to build and team.  And what do you know, it's paying off.  Not really sure how you can be critical of him right now?  And if the roster management (and it's current successes) aren't attributable to Holland, who does get the credit?  Luck?  Babcock?  Dan Cleary?