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#2546974 Clearly and Nestrasil in

Posted by kipwinger on 05 November 2014 - 06:48 PM

Man do I feel sorry for Dan Cleary tonight.  If he even breathes the wrong way LGW is going to explode.  To say he's under a microscope is the understatement of the season so far.

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Posted by kipwinger on 05 November 2014 - 12:08 PM


I'm not sure playing under Mike "every-dayer" Babcock is the right place to bring out the best in Semin's game, where he's more likely to get benched than where he currently is (in Carolina, on the bench until last night).  I'll give you he's a pheneomenal goal scorer with one of the best shots in the league, which is precicesly what the Wings could use to round out their top six.  But he takes days off.  He doesn't play a complete game.  And this has been something consistent with him throughout his career.  Before he signed in Carolina that was the big knock on him.  He did well to regain his reputation for the first part of his contract in Carolina, but late last year he fell apart again, and from that point throughout the entirety of this season so far Semin has been more of a liability than an offensive threat.  Perhaps Babcock can clean up his game and get him working for 200 feet and bringing it every night, and if that happens he would be an awesome acquisition.  But if he continues to be Alex Semin as we curently know him, I think he'll be riding pine with Cleary for many nights, or playing on the third/fourth line, because I don't think Babcock will tolerate it as much as other coaches may have in the past.

Just a side note: the more I think on it, the more I realize how difficult it is to actually be an offensive powerhouse in Babcock's system.  Everyone plays defense first.  Everyone plays 200 feet.  Nobody takes risks to try to earn an odd-man rush or force a turnover if it means being out of position with noone to back you up.  They win as a team.  They lose as a team.  That's why I think it was so devastating to have lost out on Hossa, because he was one of the few players in the league who could do what Semin does, but also fit perfectly into a defense-oriented coaching philosophy.


I agree.  And I've said so a couple of times already.  Babs would hate his guts. 


But there's always a little bug in my brain when I think about this.  Remember when we had Brunner, and he didn't play s*** for defense, and he was largely invisible in every other way except that in the first part of the season he was scoring goals? 


There was a quote from Babs (that I'm trying to track down now) where he says something to the effect of "It's hard to take a guy out of the lineup if he's scoring". 


Also, and I said so in the GDT as well...If I've heard once, I've heard a thousand times about how Mike Babcock is the best at getting the most out of players.  "Every second, of every shift, of every game" seems to be the consensus when it comes to how well Babs' maximizes talent.  All last year we heard about how he dragged a bunch of kids into the playoffs through his ability to get the most out of guys.  Ok, prove it.  Give him this guy.  Huge talent, inconsistent.  Let's see how true it is.  Everybody can coach Pavel Datsyuk.  It would take a great coach to get the absolute most out of Semin. 

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Posted by kipwinger on 05 November 2014 - 10:25 AM

Kip you need to be broken of this Semin obsession.


I've wanted a first rate shooter on Datsyuk's wing since Hossa left (that year he had almost 100 pts).  That's the last time we had someone to bury the myriad chances that Datsyuk creates.  When Gaborik was available I wanted Gaborik.  I wanted Nash before that.  Now that Semin's available I want Semin. 


There's no mistaking my obsession with this one guiding principle...we have one of the best playmakers of the last 20 years and nobody to finish for him.  Dats and Z are both going to get 20+ goals this year, with the right line combos so will Nyquist and Franzen.  Semin would too.  And Tatar will end up close...but it's iffy.  Think about that. 


It's not about Semin as a person.  Sometimes I think fans get attached to players' personalities as if professional sports is a popularity contest.  To me, Alexander Semin is nothing more than one of the best shooters in the NHL...and the only one available.  That skill set would look awfully nice along side one of the best passers in the game.  And what do you know, we happen to already have that guy. 

#2546901 GDT:11/4 Detroit Red Wings vs. Ottawa Senators 7:30p.m

Posted by kipwinger on 05 November 2014 - 09:52 AM

Wow people are really freaking out.  We played like absolute s*** the last 2 games and almost beat both teams.  Tatar/Jurco just need to adjust, hell it seems as though you can see those 2 slowly emerging from their slumps. Calm down everyone


First of all, nobody is "freaking out".  While it's probably easier to argue with someone after you've painted them as hysterical, for the sake of reasonable discourse maybe cut down on the hyperbole a little bit.


Secondly, I imagine people would be less freaked out if we were steam rolling teams and then just lost a stinker or two here and there.  But that's not really the case.  Only about half our victories are convincing, and many of our loses are brutal to watch.  Be can barely score goals, and our powerplay is a mess.  Then add on top of that, two loses in two games to two very bad teams and I think it's reasonable for people to be concerned.  Is this the end of the line for our team?  Nope.  But last season is starting to look vaguely familiar.

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Posted by kipwinger on 05 November 2014 - 12:33 AM

I wouldn't mind semin at all. The problem is the five years left in his deal after this season. Or maybe it's six?

Also no way would I move smith for yandle. That's actually a downgrade on defense. I would like helm packaged in a deal though.


Semin has three years left on his contract after this year, and Yandle is about the same as Smith defensively (in that neither is terrible, nor are they great) and regularly puts up 50 pts.  The difference being that Yandle is an amazing transition player and PP quarterback who shoots right.  Weren't you the one bitching in the GDT about how our defensemen can't move the puck in transition?  Well here you go, Yandle is on of the best in the entire league at producing offense from the back end.  


Again, I'd rather move Quincey or Kindl than Smith, but you have to give to get.  And anybody who thinks Smith >/= Yandle is nuts. 

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Posted by kipwinger on 05 November 2014 - 12:02 AM

Alex Semin? The same Alex Semin who's been a healthy scratch, and accumulated 0 goals and -7 in 9 games so far this year?
Yandle, yes, but I think the Coyotes would ask for more than Helm and Smith.


Coyotes wouldn't ask for that much this year, because if they tank (and they're close to it already) they get a shot at McDavid and Eichel.  They don't want to win.  If they really need more give them ONE of our good defense prospects in addition.


Say what you want about Semin, but history has shown the guy scores goals.  I know he's not doing s*** so far (Neither is anybody on Carolina's team), but he didn't forget how to score from last year (look as some of those snipes when you've got a minute).  Keep in mind I've got them retaining salary.  You don't think you could get enough goals out of him (with Datsyuk as his center) to justify 4.9 million?  I do.  Especially with that shot. 


Edit:  In 1994 the New York Rangers won the Stanley Cup.  On their roster was Alexei Kovalev, the laziest, floaterest, defensive liabilitiest, good for nothing, bad teammate the NHL had ever seen.  He had 22 goals and 33 assists in the regular season and 9 goals and 12 assists in the playoffs.  Sound familiar. 


Just imagine how good our PP would be.


Mostly this was just for fun though.  Obviously it's not happening...though it's feasible considering I gave good value AND didn't acquire anybody who isn't rumored to be available.  Can you blame me?  I sure as s*** wasn't entertained watching that stinker of a game. 

#2546857 GDT:11/4 Detroit Red Wings vs. Ottawa Senators 7:30p.m

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 11:23 PM

This team lacks identity.  We've got an organizational philosophy that values skill and puck possession, and a coach that wants to play a grinding, "heavy", crash and bang sort of game (as evidence, look how much our fourth line played tonight late in the game.  He clearly prefers grinding, dump and chase hockey).  Since the GM, roster, and drafting philosophy aren't going anywhere, Babs is going to have to make some adjustments to his game play to maximize the talent he's got.  If he does, we'll come around.  If he doesn't, we'll flounder. 


For years I've heard over, and over, and over again that Babs is the best in the business in getting the most out of his players.  Time to test that theory.  This is not an untalented team.  This is a team that's under performing.  Let's see how good he really is at maximizing the talent he's got. 


Also, Ken Holland, you listening?  We need a second line center and another PP capable defenseman. Seriously.  f***.

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Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 03:46 PM


Simply because we already have a second line center waiting to return. And if he returns your scenario would put us in a ridiculous bad position. We both agree on Helms abilities or the lack of them respectively  (and Franzen btw). But what we need is a short time solution to compensate for Weiss and in my opinion that means putting Helm on the wing.


Agreed that we're waiting to see if Weiss comes back and produces.  But that shouldn't change Helm's fate.  If Weiss does come back and is 100% and effective, then we've got two third line centers (Helm and Sheahan) and one needs to be traded.  If Weiss doesn't come back then we've got one guy (Helm) who's a good third line center but not a good enough second line center.  So pair him with prospects  and/or picks and trade him for a better one.  The only way Helm should stay on the team is if he (or Riley Sheahan) start producing like a second line center.  Otherwise he's at best redundant, and at worst not good enough. 

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Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 03:32 PM


Ok so who exactly IS putting up points to justify a top 6 position over Helm.  Don't see many guys stepping up...


I know this is a stretch, but here goes.


Why don't we leave the top line like it is.  And then pair Darren Helm with one or two of the 10,000,000 high quality NHL prospects we've got (that we don't have room for) and trade them for a second line center. 


Then you could have



Franzen-2nd line center-Nyquist




Jason Spezza and Ryan Kesler got moved for offers that we could have matched or beaten and we didn't make offers (Kesler had Detroit on his short list at last years' deadline, but not after we fell flat in the playoffs).  Not saying it had to be one of those guys...but lets not pretend like it's impossible to trade for a center.

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Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 03:26 PM


Some here say the same about Franzen. ;) No one is opting for a free for all here, but as long as our supposed second line center is out we have to make compromises and play guys on positions that aren't optimal. Helm isn't the perfect winger for sure but he should be better than Shehan who imho isn't ready to center a top 6 line yet.


Whoever says that Franzen doesn't produce consistent offense isf****** retarded.  That's the only thing he's done consistently his entire career.  Barring injury you'll get 20+ goals, and 40-50 pts. out of him like clock work. 


If you ever encounter someone who says Franzen doesn't produce consistent offense you should hit them in the head with a hammer. 


Conversely if you meet someone who says Helm doesn't produce consistent offense you should get them to tell you more things that are incredibly obvious and quantifiable statistically. 

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Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 01:59 PM

The problem isn't the position he is being played in, it's the role he is being played in. Helm shouldn't be relied on to play in the top 6 and put up big points, he should be relied on to forecheck hard, wear on the opponents, and chip in a few points...


So he should be a grinder?  I agree.  It's almost like, with his skill set, he'd be "the best third line center in the league".  Seems like I heard that about him once.  Instead of being the best third line center, he's been a mediocre scoring line winger.  How's that a good use of his talent?

#2546563 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 01:21 PM

Was anyone else as disappointed as me when RedWingsCentral decided to stop writing articles?... I looked forward to them every week... :unhappy:


I used to go there all the time and check out there prospect reporting.  It was clearly the best source of prospect news.  Especially overseas prospect news.  Bar none. 

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Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2014 - 11:48 AM

I didn't see a GDT yet and didn't think it was worth a new one, but here's what's going on at the Wings practice:
Mule on the third line? Are they easing him in coming back from injury?


Those were the same lines that ended the last game.  It just looks like they swapped the second and third lines.  Perhaps because the Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar line had the better offensive push last game.  The Franzen line was still finding it's feet a little in my opinion. 

#2546453 The lesson here? Cheating pays off once in a while

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 04:11 PM

David Leggio is the same guy who did this spot on impression of Pierre McGuire while talking to his buddy Tyson Strachan whom we saw last night against the Sabres. 


#2546432 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 November 2014 - 02:55 PM


Obviously not. I see what you're saying. And to be fair Ribeiro and Roy were risky signings. I guess Poile was just trying to fill his cupbaord.


The fact remains that Jarnkrok is way down Nashville's depth chart at the moment. He should be in Milwaukee right now.


Agreed.  I'm just saying that he's not producing because he's not getting any opportunity, not because he's no good.  He's only getting checking line minutes (13:26 per game) and at 180 lbs. he's not going to do you much good on a checking line.