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#2613114 What changes do you think we'll see with Blashill?

Posted by kipwinger on 04 June 2015 - 11:04 AM

That's a straw man's argument. Smith is dumb? Says who? You? Lol. The power play dropped off in the second half of the season. It's not like the Wings had the #1 power play in the NHL when the season ended. In the playoffs the PP failed to capitalize on many opportunities. If the PP was as good as you say it was then Tampa would be golfing right now. Does Smith make it better? I think he does. We will see what Blash does. Not just with Smith but all the players on the roster. I'm looking forward to it.

 

It's not a strawman argument at all.  I'm not suggesting you think he's dumb.  I'm saying he's dumb.  He turns the puck over , frequently blows his coverage, and was benched the first two games of the playoffs for playing the puck from the bench.  His judgement is questionable, to say the least. 

 

I'm not really sure why you're being contrary here.  All I've said is that he needs to earn powerplay time, not be handed powerplay time.  Seems like a truism. 

 

Are you suggesting he should be used on the powerplay just because it seems like he'd be good there based on his skill set?  Because that's a horrible way to run a team. 

 

Nobody would argue that Jurco should replace Abby in the top six because he's faster and a better stickhandler.  Nobody would suggest Gustavsson should start over Howard because he's bigger, more athletic, and is safer with the puck. 

 

They actually have to play better, consistently, when they're called upon.  To date, Brendan hasn't done that.  Which is why Babs didn't trust him, why his icetime was reduced, and why his stats suffered.  Not because he was being misutilized.  If Smith gets an opportunity and runs with it, good.  If not, too bad.  He's not entitled to powerplay time just because he has more raw talent than somebody else. 




#2613022 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by kipwinger on 03 June 2015 - 04:39 PM

He's just not as great as you think he is ... If he played his whole career in nyi and slt he would of won nothing ... Look back at the wings lineups during those glory years ... Truly remarkable stuff , never needed a superstar goalie to win with that lineup

Now imagine if we had hasek in nets as well from 93-05 how many cups we'd have

What really gets me is how people are praising osgood so much and yet s***ting on federov and he's the one who's had the way better career in detroit , only cause he chased some money along the way

Those guys you mentioned were also the best goalies of there time and won vezina's and conn smythe's, in nets for many cups

Brodeur roy hasek and others were miles away better than osgood

 

But what you said to discredit Osgood is also true of those other guys.  If you stuck Sawchuck, Fuhr, Plante, or Smith on crappy teams, instead of dynasty teams, they wouldn't have been great either.  They were all system goalies.  But nobody holds it against them. 

 

Osgood put up comparable, or better, career numbers than the guys I just mentioned.  He did it on a really good team.  They did it on even better teams.  But only Osgood gets criticized for it. 




#2613013 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by kipwinger on 03 June 2015 - 12:30 PM

I'm really not trying to turn this into an Osgood debate, but it looks like it's already heading that way. 

 

Using the fact that Osgood "took advantage of all-star teams" against him completely ignores the fact that guys like Fuhr, Sawchuk, Plante, and Smith ALL played for dynasty teams as well. 

 

I don't see anybody arguing that Grant Fuhr's banner should be pulled down because he played with Messier and Gretzky. 




#2613012 Report: Jeff Petry and Munn-tree-all ruin 2015 free agency

Posted by kipwinger on 03 June 2015 - 12:25 PM

Weiss, Smith, Jurco for Phaneuf?

 

Yeah, because Mike Babcock loves those three guys.  Might as well thrown Kindl in there too.  That'll really sweeten the pot. 

 

Any potential trade for Phaneuf went right out the window the second Babs went to Toronto. 




#2613008 Report: Jeff Petry and Munn-tree-all ruin 2015 free agency

Posted by kipwinger on 03 June 2015 - 12:03 PM

Ken Holland will offer the same thing he always does.  He'll offer the chance to make reasonable money and play for a perennial winner who treats you well.  He will not, however, offer the most money.  So guys who want the make the most, and don't care about anything else, won't come here.  Guys who want to win, be treated well, AND make reasonable money will sign here. 

 

Franson, Green, or anybody else will need to decide if they're in it for the money, or if they'd like to be part of an organization that's competently run and consistently successful.  If the former, then we're probably better off promoting from within anyway.  At least it will keep us out of cap hell. 




#2612912 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2015 - 07:29 PM

That's because the Griffs are making it easy on him.  They gain the zone and toss the puck at him from the perimeter.  Of course it's easy for him to deal with.  They've got not net front presence and nobody is making plays in the offensive zone.  They look like a team full of Mikael Samuelssons. 




#2612824 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2015 - 09:27 AM

People really want to give up completely on Jurco already? I get the frustration in the moment, but come on... Is it really so hard to think long-term just a little bit?

 

Nah dude, he sucks.  Cut him.  Make him trade bait.  Cut bait and trade him.  etc.

 

Why?

 

Because one time, there was this guy named Ville Leino.  And get this, Ville Leino was lazy, arrogant, and entitled.  So therefore, he sucked.  And Jurco wasn't really very good this year either.  So chances are, he's probably like Ville Leino.  Because both of them weren't very good, for totally different reasons. 

 

Make sense now?




#2612670 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 June 2015 - 09:41 AM

Here's a thought.  With the emergence of Abby, Tatar, and Nyquist as regular scoring threats.  And with any potential FA acquisitions that Holland picks up, maybe Franzen gets pushed down the depth chart a bit.  Or, at the very least, he gets to take advantage of easier matchups/usage.  And in doing so, he isn't asked to shoulder as much of the offensive load as in years past. 

 

As a secondary scorer I think he'd be incredibly valuable.  He'd (theoretically) carve up third line competition. 




#2612669 2015 SCF : Chicago Blackhawks vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by kipwinger on 01 June 2015 - 09:35 AM

After how uninspired the Lightning looked against us in the first round, I'm pretty surprised they made it this far.  Experience means a lot and the Hawks, unfortunately, have that edge.  But the Lightning are a high scoring team, have beaten 3 other original 6 teams to get here and might be fresher not having played a bunch of multiple OT games against a physical team.  I want the Lightning to win, but I really can't see how that will happen.  Bishop is shaky and the Hawks forwards are way deeper than TB's.  I mean, seriously, as we saw in the first round, if you take away Tyler Johnson, this team is basically done.  Hoping it'll be TB in 7, but it'll more likely be Chicago in 5 or 6.

 

I don't think Tampa looked "uninspired" against us.  That makes it seem like the series was only close because they were slacking off or something.  The Red Wings are a tough out.  Just like New Jersey used to be.  We trap and trap and trap some more.  It's not easy to score goals on a team like that.  And Tampa needs to score lots of goals to win hockey games.  But the writing was on the wall for most of the series.  They owned the puck against us, just like they haven't against everyone else up to this point.  No matter how much you trap, it's tough to beat a team when they always have the puck and you never do. 




#2611423 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 03:52 PM

There really isn't any reason to take this discussion too far afield.  Anybody who's been around LGW for a while knows the kinds of reactions that Franzen has received around here.  And the criticisms have definitely gone pretty far beyond observations of his play. 

 

If people genuinely feel bad for him, that's fine.  Who am I to say how you should feel about the guy?  I was just making an observation that there were an awful lot of people who had nothing good to say about him and wanted him gone at any cost.  Many went so far as to feminize his name (because chicks are lame bro! durrrrrr).  And some of those same people now act like they really give a crap about the guy...so long as he still leaves, of course.

 

I wish the guy all the good health in the world.  And if he wants to continue playing hockey, or trying to play hockey, who the hell am I to wish otherwise?  He and his doctors certainly know better than I do whether he's subjecting himself to anything unwise.  And he and his family are far more capable of weighing the risks and rewards of playing than any of us. 




#2611407 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 01:46 PM

lol Kipwinger... I played college hockey and all of the things you mentioned are called chirps. They happen every game to almost every player in every stadium. No-one is immune to it and none of it should be taken as personal insult - and it almost never is. I have been called much worse on the ice than whatever Johan Franzen has been called in this thread, by some people who I actually call friends today. I'm not saying its classy, but I don't think the fans on this site are truly questioning his sexuality, mental health, or criminality,

 

The reason I made the comment is because people (unfortunately) tend to use those same expressions in these forums (probably not in good taste) out of frustration when he isn't producing.. I cant count how many times I've screamed at my TV with a lot worse to say about Franzen than what you just mentioned, because his struggles always come down to effort - and this is hockey for f*** sake.

 

If he wasn't capable of so much more - people wouldn't be as harsh on him. Sorry, if 6'3 - 222 LB Johan Franzen played with even half the intensity as a Justin Abdelkader, Darren Helm, or Luke Glendenning (players who are all more effective with a fraction of the skillset) people wouldn't be so harsh on him.

 

If people were calling him a homosexual (as you say) after he scored a hat-trick and actually plays with some heart - I would have a much different opinion.

 

I think you missed some pretty relevant contextual information.  I'm talking about the fans, on this site, saying those things about him.  Not other players, on the ice. 

 

I think it's trashy for fans to attack the guy personally, and then pretend to have sincere concern for his person later on.  Regardless of his work ethic. 

 

I don't care what other players say to him on the ice. 




#2611370 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 11:04 AM

If they're smart they'll let Babs decide which guys he wants to build around, and trade everyone else.  They absolutely HAVE to trade one of Phaneuf or Kessel though, in order to get an additional first rounder.  This would also go a long way toward ensuring that they'll suck enough to get a HIGH pick next season.  The worst thing that could happen is for them to be mediocre.  Or heaven forbid, make the playoffs in the 8th seed and lose early.  Then they won't get anything worth a damn. 

 

With their normal first rounder, plus the one they get for Dion or Kessel, they need to take centers.  Good centers.  Because their center depth is trash.  And if your only quality offensive players are wingers, you're in trouble. 




#2611369 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 10:56 AM

I wish Franzen well, and hope he can come back to play with Sheahan on our 3rd line. But if he comes back, its only a matter of time before people revert back to saying the outlandish things they said about the guy, and I'm probably one of them. This is because polarizing players have a way of garnering such a reaction... If Franzen wasn't such a skilled player, and history didn't provide a multitude of statistically great stretches of play (especially in the playoffs), we wouldn't react the way we do if/when he didn't show up for 2 weeks.

 

If he was a role player - there wouldn't be a "Johan Franzen is lazy and he sucks" thread on this website.

 

Phil Kessel is one of the most criticized forwards in all of hockey - and take a look at his numbers, a lot better than Franzen's? This is because he has demonstrated the ability to play at a high level, and usually effort is the only reason he doesn't. This is what makes people mad. Johan Franzen is no different - head injuries or not.

 

So because he doesn't play up to his potential we should all expect, and participate, in the pejorative speculation about his sexuality, mental health issues, and criminality? 

 

He's been accused of everything from being a homosexual to intentionally defrauding the Wings by faking the severity of his injury.  It's over the top.  And the fact that he's "polarizing" is no excuse. 

 

Wings fans LOVE to go on and on about how classy they are.  And how loutish and ignorant other teams' fans are.  But in the case of Johan Franzen, quite a lot of Wings fans have been completely and totally trashy. 




#2611059 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:24 PM

 

Sometimes a midseason coaching change from a bad coach, or a coach that's burned his team out, can re-energize a team.  Sometimes the team continues to suck.  Babcock isn't a bad coach, though, and even though some guys probably didn't like him or disagree with decisions he makes, you can say that about any coach.

 

And sometimes a midseason coaching change "re-energizes" a team because a new coach with a new approach is exactly what they need to play better than they were before.  Why are you so insistent that the coaching change part of the formula is incidental to the success part?

You're acting like the Red Wings were maxed out on potential, and that there's no possible way to get more out of them than Babcock already was.  I don't agree.  As I've stated above, one obvious way to improve the team is by scoring more goals at even strength.  Something that Babs is bad to mediocre at.  Is it really impossible to think that Blashill can't get more offense out of the team?  And if he does, what affect would that have?  A huge one when you consider our abysmal overtime and shootout record. 


 

Nope. I just don't tend to take such minor things so seriously. I also don't take every single word I read in my day to day life to its absolute literal meaning. Lighten up, and keep the thread on topic.

 

 

You'll have to forgive me.  I got a warning today for calling someone a "Babcock Slappy", which is apparently a "personal insult".  So I'm not exactly sure where the line is. 




#2611054 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:13 PM

I feel like I'm one of about three people who actually stick up for him every time he comes up.

He still scores more than Jurco.
Which kinda seems like his replacement.


Blash should teach Jurco to be a center too.
Franzen was actually really damn useful.
Didn't he used to penalty kill too?

 

He occasionally was used on the PK.  But not regularly. 

 

He scored 22 points in 33 games last year prior to his injury.  He's a useful player.  No doubt.