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#2572454 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 February 2015 - 10:22 AM

Fear not, everyone's favorite sock puppet is here to tell you that the Wings have found their RHed D Man.

 

http://www.freep.com...wings/23642415/

 

So no worries about making any deals. We're allllllllll good.

 

Hey, I'm all for making fun of Helene St. James, she's the worst kind of idiot.  But let's direct criticism where it's due. 

 

Our dingbat coach says on the topic...

 

"Coach Mike Babcock went so far today as to say, "I'm hoping that's our trade," referring to Detroit's quest for a right-shooting defenseman."

 

If Ken Holland said "Alexey Marchenko is our deadline acquisition" the townsfolk would already have the torches lit and the pitchforks sharpened. 

 

Buuuut Uncle Mike says it, and it's clearly beyond reproach. 

 

Nevertheless...Helene St. James IS a sock puppet. 




#2572444 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 19 February 2015 - 09:33 AM

OK, every one start chipping in for the PPV. Kip vs. krsmith, best two out of three posts.

I call special guest referee.

 

Nah, I'm done bro.  I didn't even read that last one.  It's a new day, and with a new day comes a whole new set of things to discuss.  I can only bring out the best in people one at a time.  Yesterday was his turn.  Today might be yours.  Watch out buddy.  Doom!




#2572439 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 19 February 2015 - 09:22 AM

Kip, it's easy enough to admit you're wrong when the facts are out. You admitted thinking that Jurco would be ready when it's clear now that he probably wasn't, with him now struggling and being demoted to the 4th line. You admitted being wrong about Helm and Abdelkader because it has become evidently clear that both are having great seasons, and providing a spark in their respective roles. But in both situations I'm willing to bet you were adamant about your opinion, and there was no changing your mind until you were eventually proven wrong. I specifically remember another argument that you and I had at the beginning of the season, where I was saying that Helm would look great on the wing, and you were firm on the fact that Helm is a center, so he shouldn't be playing wing. Babcock said he is the best third line center in hockey, so there's no way he should play on the wing... He has proven that he is just as good on the wing if not better than he was at center.

 

If Smith doesn't mature into a reliable top 4 defenseman in the next few seasons, I would without question, admit that I was wrong. Just like if he does, I would expect that you would as well. If Andersson remains with the organization and becomes an Abdelkader type player I would gladly admit I was wrong. I admit that I was wrong in thinking that Franzen was going to finally put his injury woes behind him and have a career year this season. I have absolutely no problem admitting when I'm wrong, but in this instance I am not.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying that Pulkkinen is the right handed sniper "we've" been longing for. If you think there aren't a ton of Red Wings fans that would love to have a right-handed sniper in our line-up or that Holland and Babcock don't get a chub thinking about having a right handed sniper in their top six, you're delusional. If we did a poll thread and asked fans if they think we need a right handed sniper on our team and the consensus was "no", or if Holland and Babcock were interviewed and asked if they would like to have a right handed sniper in their lineup, and they responded with "no", then I would gladly admit that you were right, and I am wrong, I had completely misspoken... But we both know that there's no way that would happen, you're just way too damn stubborn to admit it...

 

Me guaranteeing that fans and management would love to have a right-handed sniper but not being able to back it up with a quote, is like me guaranteeing that we (fans, Holland and Babcock) would love to win every single game for the rest of the season, and go 16-0 in the playoffs on our way to our 12th Stanley Cup... Well nobody has come out and said it, so it can't be true... Give me a break man... Every management team in the league would love to have a balance of right and left handed shots throughout their lineup. It's no secret that their is better flow, and easier to set up plays with righties and lefties up front and on the back end. It's also no secret that we sorely lack right handed shots throughout our lineup. A huge thing when we signed guys like Alfredsson and Samuelsson was, they can really help out our team's scoring with their heavy right handed shots... But you're absolutely right, fans and management are not at all excited about this young Finnish sniper that is currently ripping up the American League with his booming right handed shot...

 

Anyway, I'm done talking about this. I expected a bit of a confrontation about the idea of trading a proven NHL player like Nyquist or Tatar over a somewhat unknown prospect like Pulkkinen, but I never expected an argument about whether or not we need a right handed sniper in our lineup... Crazy...

 

Lol.




#2572371 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 11:47 PM

Hahaha I wasn't expecting that response but I never look for things like that, freaking internet man.
I didn't think he was that jacked either from old video I've seen but he did end a guy's career with a punch.
I'll feel a bit dumb if it's fake.

 

Don't feel dumb.  I have seen that picture a ton of times and still have no idea.  This is definitely not the first time I've compared that picture to others of Gordie.  I've concluded that it's one of three things...1)  It's fake, 2) the camera adds 75 lbs. of lean muscle mass, 3) for a couple years in the middle of his career, Gordie Howe was indeed a body double for Lou Ferrigno. 

 

I have not made a final determination on which one yet. 




#2572368 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 11:35 PM

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I'm sorry but if Mathieu Dandenault and this mauler go into the corner for a loose puck the only thing Dandy is coming out with is a broken bone.
I understand that nutrition and training argument is universally accepted as fact and I agree with it. (I know you were half joking about this too)
However most players today don't have that much muscle and Grandpa strength.
People like Rocky Marciano (who stood eye to eye with Joe
Pesci) had all time strength and could rock a 300lb punching bag during training harder than most fighters ever.
I just don't like when legends get diminished by the bigger faster argument.
Babe Ruth has been getting a lot of heat on social media lately for being out of shape and playing against inferior competition but I would like a Major Leaguer to try and crack homers with that redwood tree he used.
I fully understand that I'm on sketchy ground posting a shirtless Guy twice on LGW too btw.

 

I'm about 70% convinced that's photo shopped.  I can't prove it, since I have almost no technical knowledge whatsoever.  But it just feels fake.  Those are like, Hulk Hogan's arms or something.  I'm pretty sure, if Gordie Howe was that big, at least one other picture of him would show verify it.  But that's the only one I've ever seen like it. It's got to be a fan's photoshop.  If it was Brian McGrattan I'd know exactly where to place the blame. 

 

Here's one of Gordie and Jean Beliveau in the 50's which seems way more reasonable to me...

 

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#2572360 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 11:16 PM

I disagree that there's *no* reason to argue. ...but there are fruitful arguments and there are... Well, tedious ones.

 

Guilty, your honor. 




#2572345 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 10:53 PM

You're absolutely right Kip, I'm not sure why I'm surprised though, you always are... I am the single Red Wings fan that would love to have a right handed sniper. There is no other Red Wings fans that would love to have a right handed sniper, nor would Red Wings management, or the coaching staff. All left handed shots throughout the lineup is clearly the way to go. I apologize for my ignorance...

 

Oh no, your last resort is to accuse me of never admitting when I'm wrong?  What about those two times I admitted I was wrong...just today? Once when I was talking to you...and told you that you were right? 

 

Once here when I was talking to you about Jurco:  http://www.letsgowin...r-teemu/page-11

 

"You're right about that.  He could have used the seasoning.  I legitimately thought, after last year, that he was ready.  But I was wrong on that.  He definitely could have used more time to hone his power forward game down there."

 

And once here when I was talking about Helm and Abby:  http://www.letsgowin...e-thread/page-6

 

"Agreed.  I'd prefer to get him out of the top six, but I certainly don't want him off the team at this point.  Admittedly, I was singing a different tune at the start of the season but I was wrong about that.  He and Abby have been a big part of this team's success, both because of their own production and because of their ability to battle and retrieve pucks for the skill guys."

 

 

I seriously defy you to find ANYONE else on LGW who has admitted being wrong even a single time in the last two months, and I did it twice today. 

 

But in the mean time, you should probably just stop.  This is all starting to look like sour grapes bud. You said a wrong thing, it's ok.  When you get called on it next time just say "yeah, that was probably hyperbole", or "yeah, I guess they were specifically talking about a right shot defenseman".  It's ok.  Being wrong isn't the end of the world.  Nobody expects you to be right all the time.  And if you just admit you were full of it to begin with, you wouldn't have to say things like "All left handed shots throughout the lineup is clearly the way to go. I apologize for my ignorance...".  Which is frankly, beneath you. 

 

Take it from me, the guy who can (demonstrably) admit when I'm wrong. 

 

I want you to be a better you.  It's the Kip effect. 




#2571856 Do we need to add grit?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 07:58 PM

But Neil, despite his age and build, actually isn't terribly slow. He's certainly faster and more mobile than McCarty was in that Stanley Cup run.
 
You're always going to have to sacrifice a little speed in order to add a little grit, but balanced teams have a better track record in the playoffs. 


There are plenty of gritty guys who can skate. Glendening, Prust, martin, and clutterbuck come to mind. I don't agree that you have to sacrifice speed for grittiness.


#2571833 Do we need to add grit?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 07:40 PM

I'm against anything that makes us slower.  Speed is our friend.  Guys like Grossman and Neil are only going to slow us down.  All things being equal, I'll take a tougher guy over a weaker one.  But all things have to be equal (or close to equal). 




#2571821 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 07:30 PM

Why are you so concentrated on the organization? I don't get it... I never said anything about the organization... My original statement was "although "I" don't want to trade either Nyquist or Tatar, "I'd" almost prefer that than trade Pulkkinen at this point"... If you haven't noticed, that was "my" personal preference based on what "I" believe our need is, and who would garner the most interest from other teams in a trade... How is that so difficult to understand?

 

If you think for a second that Babcock wouldn't love to have a right-handed "sniper", in his line-up, you're being very naïve. Another thing, you're taking the term "sniper" way too literally. I'm more or less talking about a right-handed shooter that can score goals, I'm not talking about the top 3 right handed shots in the entire league... I think there are a number of right-wingers in the league that Kenny and Babs would be very interested in based solely on the way they shoot the puck. I don't think they believe we need an Ovechkin or Stamkos to be successful, but Pulkkinen is a huge weapon because of the way he shoots the puck...

 

I really didn't think there would be controversy over that statement at all... I get that people think it's a bit crazy to suggest trading Nyquist or Tatar before Pulkkinen, but to be that taken away that we need more right handed shots on defense as well as forwards is crazy to me...

 

The controversy isn't about the relative "goodness" of more guys who can score in different ways. 

 

You stated your opinion, but presented it as a "team NEED", and even guaranteed that "most fans" AND the organization have prioritized this same "need".  Except they haven't ever, EVER, done so.  YOU can think whatever you want. But you don't speak for most fans, or the organization.  

 

Have whatever preference you want.  That's fine.  But it shouldn't come as a surprise when nobody agrees with you on a "team need" that you, AND ONLY YOU, have articulated. 

 

Aaaand finally, saying "I'm only talking about my own preferences" after "guaranteeing that most fans" agree with you, AND guaranteeing that the organization has prioritized the same thing, is...bulls***.  You're just being argumentative.  You tried to generalize your preferences to everybody else, and when you got called out on it, you said "I was only talking about me".  You weren't.  You spoke on behalf of at least two other groups of people.  Stop lying and take it like a man. 




#2571787 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 06:22 PM

 

^ This.

 

Zetterberg and Pav have been associated with each other too much. If one goes up and the other doesn't that could cause a lot of controversy. Sad as it is, their pairing is their own demise in terms of jersey retirement XD. Who knows, lets hope for the best, these guys may not be heavily recognized around the US but Detroit's got nothing but love for em!

 

I'm posting this diatribe in response to your post, but I'm not aiming it at you.  You're didn't do the thing I'm about to rage about, you just referenced it at the bottom of your post. 

 

Can we please stop with the "nobody recognizes Dats and Z's greatness" crap already?  It's absurd.  The Red Wings, and their two stars, get their just due ALL the time.  A couple years ago TSN listed Datsyuk as the best player in the world.  Wayne Gretzky said he thought our two stars were the best in the business around that same time.  They're both consistently ranked near the top of the league in fantasy player rankings, and I've personally seen everyone from Puck Daddy, to Doc Emrick, to Mike Milbury, to P.J. Stock, to Ron McLean singing their praises.  Even Don "I hate Foreigners" Cherry has been nothing but complimentary of our guys. 

 

This is just more of this wannabe victim crap that I can't stand about some of our fans.  The league/refs/Bettman/media don't have it out for us.  We're universally considered the finest organization, with some of the finest athletes, in all of professional sports...not just hockey.  It's like some fans think we're not credible if we're not constantly facing some sort of faux adversity.  There's nothing wrong with being dominant AND being recognized for it...this isn't an inspirational sports film. 

 

Add "the media doens't give Dats and Z credit" to the list of dumb ass cliches that Red Wings fans say.  Right below "Our fans are spoiled by success" and right above "the league wanted Pittsburgh to win". 

 

Rant over.




#2571780 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 05:53 PM

Both Nyquist and Tatar hold much more value in a trade right now, Pulkkinen is out-producing both of them in their respective minor league careers, and Pulkkinen is that coveted right handed sniper we've been longing for...

 

You're stretching things a little bit here buddy.

 

Who's been coveting a "right handed sniper"?  Holland and Babs both mentioned a right shooting defenseman on many occasions, but I defy you to find one single reference to a right handed sniper, nevermind anything close to "coveting" one. 

 

YOU covet a right shooting sniper.  And in a lot of ways I don't blame you.  But the organization has never, EVER, prioritized a right shooting, sniper like, forward.  Ever. 




#2571734 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 02:55 PM

Hey man, I gave you two tasty trade packages to chew on, based on a little bit of evidence and a whole lot of speculation.  I'm doing my part.




#2571731 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 02:48 PM

 

I know you hate him and stuff, but I think you lack serious vision if you think this forward group could maintain whatever small dynamic they currently possess if they traded Helm.

 

Agreed.  I'd prefer to get him out of the top six, but I certainly don't want him off the team at this point.  Admittedly, I was singing a different tune at the start of the season but I was wrong about that.  He and Abby have been a big part of this team's success, both because of their own production and because of their ability to battle and retrieve pucks for the skill guys. 




#2571682 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 10:49 AM

I originally just had the 2015 2nd in there and added in the 2016 as well because I thought most would see it as under payment... I'd love to get Wisniewski here, though I have no idea what it would take.

 

Most probably would see it as an underpayment...which is exactly why it would probably be accurate.  Take the Franson trade recently, everybody thought Franson would require a prospect and a 1st.  Instead Franson AND Santorelli required a prospect and a pic (all parties having admitted that Jokinen was a cash dump to make the deal work).  Seriously, go over to the Franson to Nashville thread and look how much back slapping is going on for a bunch of dudes that got it WAY wrong.