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#2548802 General discussion for tonight's games

Posted by kipwinger on 14 November 2014 - 11:09 AM

Are you implying that Subban is more deserving of a "head cleaning" than Lucic? I'd love to hear the rational behind that.

 

NO!  No you wouldn't.  No way.  Take it back right now.  Seriously. 




#2548775 General discussion for tonight's games

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2014 - 09:19 PM

Weise just scored his first goal of the season just against Boston. :lol: I wonder what Lucic will do now......

 

Knock over some cars and drag a pretty blonde girl to the top of the Empire State Building?




#2548490 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2014 - 02:23 PM

 

A lot of what Datsyuk does you just can't teach.  They definitely should be working on it though.  

 

It's hard to tell Babcock's true feelings in interviews because it's often more about whatever is really irking him after a loss, or how he feels about the reporter's question.  But if he truly is that dismissive about the shootout in his actual coaching, then he definitely needs to get over it and focus more on it because it is costing his team points.  Yes they should've won it in OT but they didn't, and had another chance at the extra point.

 

Ultimately I don't know how much you can do with so little offensive talent in that regard, but there's really nowhere to go but up.  I was hoping some of these younger guys would have crazy shootout skills because they grew up with it. 

 

A couple of them did at lower levels.  Both Tatar and Jurco were pretty awesome in shootouts.  I don't know if NHL goalies are just that much better (which is at least partially true) or they don't emphasize it enough as a team (which seems to be the case as well).  But even our good shooters have gone cold, which makes me think they just never spend time on it.  Prior to last year Datsyuk and Bert were lights out in the shootout, and each fell off a cliff last season. 




#2548487 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2014 - 02:16 PM

I wonder if there wouldn't be extra incentive for guys to work on shootout moves if you had three or four dedicated shooters and those guys knew that if the game went to a shootout that part of their "role" was to score.  No different than a PKer, grinder, etc. 

 

I know this is an overly simple example, but look at Oshie in St. Louis.  That guy knows that no matter what, if his team goes to a shootout, he's going to shoot every single time.  As a result, I'd be really surprised to learn that he doesn't work on that just like he works on other parts of his game. 




#2548482 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2014 - 01:59 PM

Kip, your innate desire to bash Babcock every chance you get is a little tiresome. I get that you're not fond of the guy and you think he is overrated but c'mon, the assistant coaches are there to do specific jobs. He has Granato on the penalty kill, Hiller on the power-play, and Brewer as video coach helping choose who goes in the shootouts (among other things I'm sure). Yes, Babcock has the final say in who shoots for us, just as I'm sure he has the final say in who is on each power-play and penalty kill unit, but these guys deserve some of the credit (whether positive or negative) as well. I didn't say that none of the onus falls on Babcock, I simply said "So much for blaming it all on Babcock"...

 

I agree that much more time needs to be spent on the power-play and as frank pointed out, they are spending time on that in practice today. Just like you said, "final responsibility falls on him", so I'm sure if Babcock isn't at practice today, he told the assistant coaches to spend time practicing for shootouts...

 

Dude, the comment about Granato running practice and therefore focusing on the shootout was a joke. 

 

I'm actually not "bashing" Babs on this one.  I feel like it's pretty straight forward.  His team is losing valuable points.  He needs to fix it.  It's his responsibility.  I find it troubling that the guy can say "Obviously, that's something I don't spend a whole lot of time on" about a part of the game that's costing him points.  I'm not really sure how I'm bashing him by expecting him to address something that was a HUGE problem a year ago before it was Brewer's job. 




#2548480 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

It might also behoove the GM to get his head coach and coaching staff, despite his own disinterest in the shootout and his encouragement of the league to move to a 3-on-3 OT session, to get it together... as it is still a part of the game. 

 

Absolutely to the second part.  We shoot ourselves the foot when it comes to the standings by leaving these freaking points on the table.

 

JESUS that's pathetic.

 

Well it would certainly help if the GM got some skilled players rather than stocking his entire team with two way forwards without much offensive talent.  But it's not his job to coach the team.  Anything happens in the 60 minutes between the opening faceoff and the final horn is on Babcock. 

 

If our penalty kill was struggling and Babs said "obviously, that's something I don't spend a whole lot of time on.  That's why I got this great video guy named Andrew Brewer. He does all that work and comes out and tells me who to use", people would justifiably lose their minds.  This is no different. 

 

If he's going to use a system meant to grind out low scoring games, as he's often stated, then he should probably take more of an interest in the shootout, considering his system increases the likelihood that he'll end up in one. 

 

Holland's responsible for the roster.  Babcock for what happens on the ice.




#2548467 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2014 - 09:08 AM

 

I hope he is. That way we won't have LGW still lamenting his trade 10 years from now.

 

Valid point.  Worst case scenario I see the Jarnkrok trade ending up like Tomas Fleischmann trade.  He was a good prospect, is a good NHLer, and is someone who could have probably contributed over the years.  Nevertheless, the trade didn't cripple us long term. 




#2548362 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2014 - 08:24 PM

Yikes.  That was brutal.  I just get done defending that pairing and Kindl blows goats on the next shift.  Story of my life lol.




#2548319 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2014 - 08:03 PM

 

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Who are you telling?  I'm the one that picked the name.  I fully realize how awesome Kip Winger is. 

 

Just look at how he hangs his sunglasses from his banana hammock in that last pic.  This guyf****** rules. 




#2548316 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2014 - 07:58 PM

I think free agency is our weak point kip but what trades would you think could warrant a good return

 

 

Not really the thread for that, but over the last five years there have been plenty of opportunities to acquire pieces through trade or FA in my opinion.  I've discussed some trades I'd favor in other threads if you feel like digging for them lol. 




#2548304 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2014 - 07:47 PM

?

Um

Are you drunk

 

Drunk enough to pay a little too much attention to mustachioed Thelma, and what a dirty girl she is lol.




#2548271 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2014 - 07:24 PM

got to love the bandwagon  fans

 

Did you expect a Florida team to have lifelong, homegrown, die hard fans of a sport played on ice?  None of ice, hockey, or hockey fans naturally occurs in Florida.  Bandwagon fans in Florida is a little more tolerable than they are in say...Chicago?




#2548264 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2014 - 07:21 PM

I wonder how long before we can put this "the only way to win in today's game is to draft and develop" argument to bed.  Jason Garrison, Ben Bishop, Brendan Morrow, Anton Stralman, Matt Carle, Brian Boyle, Ryan Callahan, and Valtteri Filppula are all pretty significant contributors to this team and were drafted and developed elsewhere.  Same is true of both teams in the Stanley Cup last year as well.  Free agency and trades can add significantly to your team's success.




#2547829 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by kipwinger on 07 November 2014 - 07:13 PM

That's the reason I think they'll keep him, but if they package him together for a top four d, I don't think it has to be that much of a slam dunk.

We've had skilled bigger bodies before and they always turned out to be grinders like McCarty, maltby, and lapointe.

 

Depends on who the top four d-man is.  But I get your point.  It's really risky trading a guy like Jurco at this age because you won't get a great return (unless packaged) and you don't know how he'll turn out.  Reminds me a bit like the situation where the Islanders traded Nino Neiderreiter.  Got very little and he's turning out to be a real good forward. 




#2547819 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by kipwinger on 07 November 2014 - 06:51 PM

I can see them moving Jurco if Mantha comes in and is the real deal

 

I mean, I don't think anybody other than Mantha (and probably Mrazek) is untouchable.  But why trade Jurco?  They've been saying for the last 3 or 4 drafts that they wanted to "get bigger and not lose skill".  Now that they've finally got that coming to fruition, I don't see them moving it unless it's a slam dunk.  I'd imagine (out of the prospects) any two of Backman, Jensen, or Ouellet plus Pulkkinen would be the ones to go first in a trade.  They've got value.  They can't all fit into the lineup along with everybody else.  And they're on the smaller end of the prospects.  Then again, a lot of that depends on who the coach is going to be next year because I get the feeling Babs and Blash wouldn't necessarily keep the same guys around given the choice.


Unfortunately so can i, but I think it'll be a mistake.
Jurco ceiling is really high, and I'd love to keep him but if given the choice right now I'd take mantha.

But I still thinkthe jerk will be an awesome top six player in the future.

 

He's not going anywher unless the return is a slam dunk.  Count on it.  Why draft big if you're just going to trade the big players and keep the little ones?