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#2563202 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 03:54 PM

go back to the franzen signs extension thread...not EVERYBODY was happy. Most, as a matter of fact, hated the term and a lot of us, me included, thought it was too high cap hit in order to make the team better.

 

most of that thread had a lot of people NOT liking something about it. Again, if you read entire posts instead of just looking for things that may support your opinion, you'd be a bit wiser.

 

You said he should be signed to a long term, Zetterberg like, contract.  If nothing else, that suggests a higher cap hit (since Zetterberg's cap hit is higher).  They did EXACTLY what you said should be done.  EXACTLY. 

 

Now you're against it huh?  Give me a break.  Your whole schtick is so phoney its surreal. 




#2563197 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 03:47 PM

That 'sweatheart' deal was still seeing Franzen make $5 million plus per season (will make $5 million next season as well)...Just his last 3 seasons are sumthin around $1 million that makes it all tolerable (and chances of Franzen playing in any of those final seasons is rather slim given his age, and history of injuries)...Is he doing us any favors now with his lack of production, and what appears to be indifferent play these past few seasons?

 

Granted Hossa has had his fair share of injuries, but when healthy he's a solid producer, and since parting ways, and signing with Chicago - he's been the better of the 2.

 

Also, are you suggesting that he didn't do management a favor because he hasn't been good afterward?  That's absurd. 

 

The twists of logic that people go through to demonize Franzen are getting outrageous.  He's not a superstar, so what?  He signed the contract that management (and everybody else) thought he was worth at the time, AND it was a contract that was favorable to management.  And his contract had almost no impact on the Hossa negotiations. 

 

If anybody should take heat for the Hossa thing, it's Holland.  Not Franzen.  What was he supposed to do, turn down the money?




#2563195 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 03:39 PM

That 'sweatheart' deal was still seeing Franzen make $5 million plus per season (will make $5 million next season as well)...Just his last 3 seasons are sumthin around $1 million that makes it all tolerable (and chances of Franzen playing in any of those final seasons is rather slim given his age, and history of injuries)...Is he doing us any favors now with his lack of production, and what appears to be indifferent play these past few seasons?

 

Granted Hossa has had his fair share of injuries, but when healthy he's a solid producer, and since parting ways, and signing with Chicago - he's been the better of the 2.

 

The deal was sweetheart because it kept the cap hit low, which is for the team's benefit only.  He could have done 8 years at 5 million per, and it would have really put the crunch on management.  Front loaded deals are specifically designed to circumvent the cap, which helps management, but does very little for the player. 

 

I know that it's passe to say anything good about Franzen these days, but here are a few simple truths.

 

1).  He signed a deal specifically structured to help the team out (as is the point of the front loaded contract). 

 

2)  After the years he had in 2008 and 2009, he likely would have made more money on the open market.

 

3).  EVERYBODY was for the signing when it happened (April, 2009).  Nobody was upset, as it looked like we were getting a playoff monster and 30 goal scorer for 3.9 million (cap). 

 

4) His signing had a negligible impact on re-signing Hossa.  Likely, part of the reason why management wanted Franzen on a lower cap hit was so they could sign Hossa. 

 

5)  Franzen has not lived up to the potential he had shown for the two years prior to signing that deal. 

 

How that has morphed into "management signed a bum instead of Hossa" is beyond me. 




#2563193 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 03:30 PM

Apparently you never heard Mickey Redmond in the late 80s/early 90s whenever Probie, Kocur or Mac dropped 'em. 

 

Hey, if you think Mickey and Jack Edwards are similar that's fine.  I disagree. 




#2563170 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 01:33 PM

I think they will.  No need to trade for a goalie unless Mrazek struggles.  But it seems pretty clear that Holland and co. are set on letting him carry the load until then. 




#2563169 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 01:32 PM

 

So, basically, there are a few regular posters here on LGWs that have helped make Jack Edward happen. :lol:

 

I'm not going to personally attack anyone.  Or even allude to it. 

 

What I will say is, there are plenty of dips***s holding the "Boston point of view", and it's because of people like them that Jack Edwards calls games the way he does.  If fans held themselves, and their home announcing teams to a higher standard, then Jack Edwards would be in Southie, drinking himself silly after a long day in the garbage truck, bitchin' about the smarty pants' with their fancy math stats, and the decline of the enforcer, and the overall pussification of America.

 




#2563162 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 01:03 PM


Again after Francine was signed I said, YES! Now get Hossa signed and dump Hudler and Filppula.  But we see that Holland chose to keep Hudler and Filppula and in turn forced Hossa to leave with an stupidly low ball contract offer.

 

 

So why don't you blame Hudler and Filppula for not being traded?  Why does your ire fall on Franzen?  He signed a sweetheart deal three months before Hossa left, and it's a "choice" between him and Hossa?  Why don't you ever, EVER, present "the choice" as being between Hossa and Filppula, or Hossa and Hudler?

 

I'll tell you why.  Because it's not as easy an argument to make, that's why.  Because, in hindsight, everyone agrees that Franzen has been underwhelming.  Not worth his contract.  So you parade yourself around here, acting like you "knew it all along", because saying "Franzen sucks" is easy.  And people largely agree with you. 

 

But you didn't know it all along.  Ooooooh no you didn't.  Just like everybody else, you thought the signing was good.  You advocated for it.  And why not?  Franzen had just had two MONSTER years.  It WAS a good signing at the time.  It all went sour AFTER he didn't perform up to snuff. 

 

Which is all you need to say.  I'd kiss your ass right now if you'd just once tell the truth..."I, Leftwinger, liked the signing when it happened.  However, in hindsight, it didn't work out for the team".  That's the truth. 

 

But instead we'll hear endlessly about how "you knew better".  You didn't.  That point is fraudulent.  You were just as fooled by Franzen's two good years as everyone else. 

 

If you're a prophet, you're a false one. 




#2563160 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 12:56 PM

Thanks for posting this... The double standard of Bruins commentary is ridiculous. Nobody gives a s*** if Krejci lead the league in scoring in the playoffs TWICE, Jack. The game is getting chippy and I'm sorry, there's plenty of time for Krejci to just skate away instead of mucking it up with Brown. Same for Paquette with Chara.  ...but of course, that's totally deserved. 

 

"Writing checks" and "Spittin' chickets", eh, Jack... Brickley? 

 

Whatever. You two are the absolute worst.

The rest of their commentary throughout the rest of the game was despicable.

Once he realizes that he might get back on the ice... you can hear Edwards salivating at the prospect of JT Brown getting his comeuppance. 

He's the "hack", not Brown. 


 

No, it's most definitely waiverzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

I don't really have a problem with Edwards' homerism.  He's not a national announcer, there's no need for him to be unbiased. 

 

I do, however, have a problem with how blatantly, and non ironically, he panders to the lowest common denominator (read:  Bruins fans).  It's like he knows all the worst things about sports fans, and targets those things in the dumbest possible way.  Fans don't like refs?  He'll ***** about the officiating endlessly.  Goal waived off?  That's precisely the one that changed the course of hockey.  Don't like rats?  They're ruining the game (except the ones employed by the Bruins).  He specifically targets the dumbest, most ill formed, laziest, points of view, and then repeats them back at a higher volume. 

 

In short, if you like Jack Edward's act, or agree with the things he says, you're stupid.  And it's because you're stupid that he's saying those things. 




#2563154 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 12:44 PM

I could be wrong here, but me thinks if Holland would've signed Hossa long term that would've meant Franzen would've been traded, or been forced to sign for alot less.

 

EDIT - and there's a good chance that we here at LGW would've started a thread about Hossa's injured shoulder, and the number of games missed...

 

Franzen signed first, to a sweetheart deal, well below market value.  Given how Ken Holland works, you really think he would have traded Franzen three months after Franzen did management a favor and took a lower cap hit?  C'mon. 




#2563150 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 12:32 PM

I'm not taking the bait anymore Kip... :boxing: There's no way you're truly that anti-Smith...

 

We'll see.  We will just see about that!




#2563141 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 12:02 PM

There are guys that can beat him but sadly save for Scott most are in the ahl now or hurt :(Bourdelaux). Chara is soo tall and if he caps someone he is going to get the takedown his father is a pro wrestler

 

But surely a smaller guy could channel "the big bad bear" and board him, right?  That would be sooooo cool and tough.  I mean seriously, if Chara wants to go all big, bad, bear, bruin, on people, they should be allowed to injure and maim him in response, right bro?  f*** yeah!


That's Mr. Rocket to you

 

I'll board the s*** out of him AND his widow right freakin' now!  You think I'm afraid of a dead guy and an old woman?  I'm Bruins' strong.  Find a person smaller and weaker than I am and I'll smash their face into a wall anytime I feel like it.  Punk.




#2563127 1/13 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Sabres 1

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 11:26 AM

I don't know, didn't he insist he get a photograph with all his former assistants that are now head coaches at the draft this year? I think he's more sentimental then his stern demeanor portrays. Plus I think I heard him say Glendening was like the son he never had.

 

Awww, that makes this guy a saaaaaad panda.  It's his own fault though, you've got to compete harder and be an "everydayer" if you want to be Mike Babcock's son.  Lil' Michael Babcock just needs to steal somebody else's job that's all. 

 

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#2563117 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 11:17 AM

I wish I was born a genetic mutant.

 

I would get all the women and I would dominate at the food trough.

 

I would also take liberties with other people in my profession, and have my team's jersey worn by frankgrimes while he pretends to watch Red Wings games. :glare:


 

+10

 

Dude what are you talking about?  Boarding and gloved punches to little guys' faces are part of the game.  Always have been, always will be.  If you weren't on the soft, euro, pussified, nancy boy, bandwagon you'd realize Chara is just bringin' old time hockey back to the masses. 




#2563095 1/13 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Sabres 1

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 09:30 AM

Everybody knows my feelings on Babcock, but this was pretty classy of him:

 

http://www.mlive.com...meeting_wi.html




#2563094 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by kipwinger on 14 January 2015 - 09:21 AM

Oh sweet, the biggest guy in the league boarded someone and hit another guy with a gloved fist.  What a tough dude he is.  Puke.