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#2567994 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 11:43 AM

He'd either be a rental or keep an NHL ready d in GR.
He's not a great 2/3 d, he's putting up points but isn't good in his own end. Babcock has no room for that type of player. Unless he changes how he plays Babcock would have him playing 12 minutes a night.


You didn't answer the question, you wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Cody Franson?

#2567986 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 10:37 AM

Franson isn't that good. He might be better playing for a team with better structure but he might also get banished by Babcock. I'd rather stand pat if they can't make a major move.


You seriously wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Franson?  He's already got 29 pts. on the season. 


I get your concern, I'm reluctant (in some ways) to take cast offs from bad teams too.  But I'd certainly give a second round pick for him. 

#2567983 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 10:26 AM


Or sign  him for nothing but $ in the off-season.


A second isn't too much to pay. If teams are asking the world for a guy, then wait and sign him later, but if the price is reasonable you should get the jump on it.  Aside from the fact that he'd be useful for our playoff run, there's no guarantee we'll be as good next year as we are this year.  What if we wait and injuries are a problem again?  Or Jimmy has a bad year?  Or Babs leaves and we've got a rookie coach? 


If teams want you to overpay, then wait until the offseason.  If they want a second for Cody Franson, give them the second plus Landon Ferraro and kill two birds with one stone lol. 

#2567978 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 03 February 2015 - 10:19 AM

If the Leafs only want a second rounder for Franson, what do they want for Franson and JVR?  A second and roster player? 


Edit:  Just imagine a top six of...





I drool. 

#2567827 Ovechkin joins elite company

Posted by kipwinger on 02 February 2015 - 04:00 PM


Russian Sniper > American Sniper




Russian Sniper > German Sniper > American Sniper



#2567814 Ovechkin joins elite company

Posted by kipwinger on 02 February 2015 - 02:11 PM


Well I have only really been a Wings fan and if Tatar or Nyquist or pretty much any other winger not named Franzen played like Ovechkin did/does they wouldn't be around.  Two way players is in my opinion the only way hockey should be played and all the rest of those guys are one trick ponies who sit in the slot or on the dot most the game waiting for a good pass or cherry pick waiting for a pass to score easy.  Just not my thing.

Coaches tend to overlook a lot of deficiencies when you score a bunch of goals.  If Alex Ovechkin, or any player putting up Ovechkin level points, was on our team, Mike Babcock would accept the offense and stay oddly quiet about all the rest.  Just like he's done with Franzen for years.  You don't ever hear Babs calling Mule out do you?  Wanna know why?  Because he needed the goals. 

#2567781 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 February 2015 - 09:36 AM

As I said in the Ovechkin thread about two different players, durability counts for a lot in this sport.  Green is the more dynamic offensive player, and Yandle is less dynamic but much more durable.  As good as Green's point per game totals are, I'd rather have a guy with slightly less offensive ability, but who's a threat every shift every night for 82 games a year.  That's Yandle.  To me he's the better player because he plays at a consistently high level night in and night out. 


But like others have said, I think Green's the better fit for this team (if signed in free agency).  Because with Washington's turnaround this season, he's not getting traded for anything less than a substantial overpayment. 

#2567673 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 February 2015 - 01:04 PM


Not even Godström would like that great on that roster, that's how bad they are and we all know why. The point is Buffalo doesn't have to trade Myers - even if he isn't as good as advertised - they aren't even close to the cap and won't  be for a few more years and they know that other teams are desperate for defensive help that drives the price up. I mean if it's Pulkinnen, Jurco and and a pick I'd pull the trigger but not if i t includes one of Larkin, Mantha (one of them should only be on the table if we are talking about OEL).


I'm also wondering why are people so high on Green ? The guy is not a great defender, sadly injury prone and around 30 by the time this team could content again he will be way past his prime. Green will command a big payday and for what he brings I'd rather go after other defenders (including Franson). I haven't watched a lot of Leafs games this season because they are incredible boring to watch with their stupid new philosophy but I think Franson could be a solid signing come July 1 although I'd prefer some bigger name like Boychuck - Isles won't have the money to re-sign him as long as Wang is still at the helm -.


As much as the media is hyping up this trade deadline I think it will be a very boring one with only minor movements...the top teams are close to the cap and the bottom teams will for sure not t rade their first round pick in such a deep draft so all the ingredients for the most boring trade dead line since years are there.


A 29 year old Mike Green is too old to help us, but a 31 year old Johnny Boychuk isn't? 


Do you have a fever?

#2567603 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by kipwinger on 31 January 2015 - 07:10 PM

Having a right shot on that bottom pair directly contributed to Smith's goal.  Marchenko made a play at the line to keep the puck in, and chipped in in deep on his forehand (something a lefty couldn't do) to Jurco who found Smith in good position for the one timer (something he couldn't have done if he'd been on the other side). 


Good work by all involved, but having the right/left pair out there was a huge key to that goal. 

#2567172 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 02:15 PM


I don't necessarily agree with the idea of trading certain people, but I am always amused by how easily people forget what Holland has tried to do again and again over the last several years. When he fails to do what he is attempting to do, we ended up signing a lot of s***. Then when the s*** breaks down, our prospects get called up and prove themselves.


Suddenly Holland is a genius who knew what he had in Grand Rapids and that's why he stood pat.


Wait, what?


If Holland had accomplished some of the things he's tried to accomplish over the last few years in free agency, this team would look very different. Based on what he did accomplish in free agency, it's reasonable to say we're probably lucky Holland struck out more often than not. The kids are legit, and I'll give all the credit in the world to Holland and his team for great drafting and development. But Holland tried hard to do something that would give this team a very, very different look than they have now. Maybe it would've worked out, and maybe not, but it is absurd to suggest that this was the plan all along and Holland knew what he was doing. 


Holland has consistently refused to trade highly touted prospects and high draft picks.  He's repeated his mantra of "building from within" soooo often that I've wanted to punch him.  Presumably he has this point of view because he believes it's the right way to build and team.  And what do you know, it's paying off.  Not really sure how you can be critical of him right now?  And if the roster management (and it's current successes) aren't attributable to Holland, who does get the credit?  Luck?  Babcock?  Dan Cleary?

#2567163 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 01:50 PM

I will say this.  Good on Brian Lashoff.  I'm really glad that guy is a million dollars richer.  Sure he was a plug.  But he did EXACTLY what he was signed to do, and what was expected of him.  Kudos buddy. 

#2567153 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 01:23 PM

Holy s***!  You know what this means? 


We've finally got a right shot defenseman! 


Also, this means Smith will get to play his natural side.  That should be a good way to boost his production. 

#2567132 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 11:50 AM

I think that goes for just about everyone Kip. I've always been a believer and supporter in Holland but there's no way I can sit here and say that I've never questioned any of his moves / personel decisions... He's made quite a few that I haven't liked and I'm sure he'll make quite a few more that I won't like. No GM is perfect, but Ken Holland is prettyf****** brilliant when it comes to managing his team.

I actually didn't mind the Quincey signing and I like it now. I didn't mind the Cleary signing and I still don't. I hated the Tootoo signing from beginning to end, same goes for the Samuelsson signing, but that was worse than I even anticipated... I think the big thing though, is that all of these were basically stop gaps to get us through before the kids were ready.

"In Kenny we trust"...


I still don't like Quincey's contact.  He's played much better and all that, but he's still overpaid.  By a lot.  As far as Cleary, I kinda don't care about them re-signing him this year.  Whatever, let him play out one more year as the 13th forward and retire a Wing.  I hated last year's signing though, but those circumstances were different. 


Either way, my point in bringing them up was just to say that while I thought Kenny was making questionable moves because he was washed up, he was really just putting bandaids on the problem until the kids could take over.  Which has always been his stated strategy, but which I thought was a bad idea...until I saw how good they were. 


So, long story short, if Kenny moves a prospect or two for a veteran, I'll assume those prospects weren't 100% necessary.  Because it's not like he doesn't know what good prospects look like.  And if he doesn't, then I'll assume we've already got whatever we need in our system. 

#2567129 1/29 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Lightning 5

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 11:30 AM


Nothing as bad as you'd read in this thread.


Wings were better in the first. Tampa were better in the second. Shots were pretty much even after 2.


Mrazek was ugly-bad, and that was the difference in the game. Plain and simple.


McCollum played well enough in the third to keep some of Tampa's hotdogs from padding their stats. Small victories........


Wait, you mean our rookie, third string, goalie had a bad game against the best offensive team in the league?  What a bum!


In all seriousness, I'm glad to hear it. Obviously, looking at the score it seemed like one of those games where we just looked retarded for 60 minutes.  If the team played well, and Peter was just off, oh well.  Obviously I'd like to see them win, but over the course of an 82 games season you're going to lose some games.  If that's the case, I'd rather they lose because one guy has a bad game than because 20 guys did. 

#2567128 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 11:23 AM

Andersson is a scrub. I place him slightly above Nestrasil, only because he's a decent penalty killer. I fully expect him to be the odd man out next season, either playing in Grand Rapids or with another club. No big loss. To say he has more value than Franzen is laughable. You can hate on Franzen all you want, it doesn't change the fact that, when healthy he can contribute on any given night. Is he streaky? Absolutely. But that's part of the package. I don't believe we need him to win games, and I would welcome a trade, but he is in no way, a player we NEED to get rid of...


Holland waives Nestrasil to make room for the better player, Jurco, and people ***** because we lose an "asset". If Holland were to send Jurco down and keep Nestrasil on the team, people would ***** that he is not icing his best players... Holland just can't win with some fans... Oh well...


I bitched about the Tootoo, Sammy, Cleary, Quincey, etc. signings, trades, and re-signs.  I was convinced that Holland was past it and didn't have any fresh ideas.  Apparently he knew a little bit more than I did just how good his prospects were.  Now our team is pretty legit.  And we're certainly positioned to be VERY good in the next couple of years. 


So I've got to admit I was 100% wrong about Holland.  At this point, when it comes to building a team, developing players, or acquiring talent, I'm going to defer to the guy who's got four Stanley Cup rings sitting on his mantle.