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#2539074 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 08 October 2014 - 01:00 PM

Well, Zetterberg was on pace to have one of his best years before his injury so I don't know about your comment their production "falling to the floor."

 

Abby on the top line is a hangover from the success of Homer there. it hasn't worked with Abby - hopefully Babcock sees that. But Helm is a different player and has yet to play on the top line. You pretty much quoted earlier comments to you the Helm so I feel i need to respond to the "hoodMy winked" and "monkeys nodding their agreement" comments. It's a very different thing to think trying Helm on the first line is worth a try then mindlessly agreeing with the organization. My preference would be Mantha on that top line, but he's injured. Jurco would be good in that spot, but I really like the T-S-J line and I'd prefer to to keep them together. 

 

Stafford's would be a rental this year with one year left in his contract. I'd be for it if we traded Cleary and Andersson to have him for this year. If Stafford's a worthy pick up he's a UFA next year. Having Stafford would put up a road block for Mantha, Nestrasil. 

 

1.  Zetterberg's on pace to have a good season every year (almost).  Who cares?  Last year Alexander Steen was on pace to outscore Ovechkin for about 20 games.  On pace really doesn't mean s***. 

 

2.  Prefer whatever you want.  I'd prefer to actually have a top line winger (and not a third line center) on the top line.  Also, as I've said a couple times already:  Sure putting Helm on the first line "is worth a try".  But this is a professional hockey team, running a business.  If they don't have a better strategy for success than "it's worth a try", we're in trouble. 

 

3.  If Stafford is a rental he can't block anybody long term.  Short term he wouldn't block anybody on the current roster because you'd have to trade to get him.  One in, one out.  Also, you could just waive any of Andersson, Glendening, or Cleary as well.  Nothing about acquiring one guy would block those two.  However, my point was mostly that he's been available for as long as we've been trying this stupid "bottom six grinder" to top line winger experiment. 

 

4.  Lets not go anointing Nestrasil some kind of up and comer just yet.  He's (so far) yet to show he can even play consistently in the AHL, let alone the NHL .  He had a good camp which is good.  But if you're reluctant to take on a proven NHL player like Stafford because you aren't sure how that affects a guy like Nestrasil, then you've got some pretty funny priorities. 

 

 

Look, all I'm saying is that if you need a top line winger...go get a top line winger (or promote one).  Abby and Helm are bottom six players.  No amount of line adjusting changes their skill set.  If you want a top line winger who's biggish, physically tough, and can score ok...go get a guy like Stafford.  If you want a guy who's fast, defensively responsible, and can score a little...go get Vrbata. 

 

If you want bottom six grinders who are defensively responsible and chip in middling offense...go get Abby or Helm. 

 

The organization is trying to turn them into something they aren't, and it's detrimental to the team.




#2539025 Kindl on the block

Posted by kipwinger on 08 October 2014 - 10:03 AM

There are a lot of teams in the bottom half of the league with a ton of cap space that I think could possibly be interested. I may be naïve or hopeful, but I think Kindl would be an upgrade to a lot of teams bottom pairings around the league. He isn't a terrible defenseman and a change of scenery may be just what he needs. If we can get a late round draft pick for him and get Ouellet in the lineup, I'd be happy.

 

 

I think he'd be fine on a team that let him be offensive all the way.  He can skate and shoot.  He's just no good in Babs' system because Babs' doesn't want offense out of his defense...he wants a very particular type of offense (the kind Kronwall, Lids, and Rafalski provided).  That's why Kindl struggles, and that's why Smith often struggles. 

 

If he played a wide open, run and gun, style of hockey I'd take Kindl.  Someone like Tampa or Carolina would treat him well. 




#2539021 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 08 October 2014 - 09:25 AM

 

Come on Kip. Those guys are all good for 40 goals.

 

Between the 5 of them.

 

If things go well.

 

f***

 

Honestly, the part that irritates me isn't that they're playing.  They've all got some value (if used correctly).  What gets my goat is the the organization has everyone around here so hoodwinked that they actually buy it when Abby gets put on the top line and we hear "Dats wants Abby to pull the piano".  Or "Helms speed will be killer on the forecheck".  All us monkeys nod our heads in agreement and then wonder why Dats and Z's production falls to the floor. 

 

Want a guy who can "pull the piano" AND produce in top six?  The Sabres have been trying to trade Drew Stafford for two years.  He's not a superstar but he's WAY better than Abdelkader. 

 

Want a guy who can use speed on the forecheck and produce in the top six?  You've got at least two of them toiling away on your third line (Tatar and Jurco).  Or you could have signed someone like Radim Vrbata (a possession monster) who consistently produces offense while being defensively responsible. 

 

Nope, Helm and Abby.  That's the way to the promised land.  Ugh. 




#2539018 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 08 October 2014 - 09:09 AM

I'm not fine with any professional hockey team that realistically plans to use all of Abdelkader, Helm, Miller, Glendening, and Andersson.  Nevermind Nestrasil, he'll be gone in a week or two. 

 

Three...maaaaaaybe four of those guys could play on my team.  But not all of them.  We've got mediocre talent eating up a lot of roster spots and minutes.  Until we don't, this team will stay mediocre. 

 

"But...but...but...Kip, Mike Babcock says Darren Helm and Justin Abdelkader are too good to be on the fourth line". 

 

So what?

 

Kris Draper won the Selke, scored more than either of them, and played on the fourth line for most of his career. 

 

Ice a real roster or lose games.  It's pretty simple. 




#2539014 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 08 October 2014 - 08:38 AM

Frustrating but expected. The Babs v. Holland on XO surprises me. I'm generally annoyed at the "overripe" theory still winning. I think it's outdated. Give these kids their shot. Nyquist and Tatar were in GR last year and now we're counting on them to carry the load this season!

 

Tatar did not play one single second in the AHL last year. 


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#2538976 Callahan, Ferraro and Porter placed on Waivers

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 09:57 PM

 

That's another honorable thing he doesn't also I'm not talking about jumping Scuderi (that's too dangerous) but he could have told him, hey we've gotta have a go here. Also Thornton is not my boy I'm just a fan of the way he has handled himself for so long and he contributed wheter people like to admit it or not.

 

As for James Neal at some point someone is going to make him pay, he got away with that stupid stuff for way too long.

 

 

 

 

Happy for Callahan.

 

Dude, you're must making s*** up now.  You're now saying "I'm not talking about jumping Scuderi", but in your earlier post you said "I don't think he would have asked Scuderi if he wanted to go or not, Scuderi's only choice would have been defend yourself or else". 

 

Just stop already.  Your position on fighters is tenuous, at best, and it's made much worse when you say contradictory things and act like we're all too stupid to notice.  You absolutely WERE talking about jumping Scuderi, you're just changing your tune now because you realize it was a dumb thing to say in the first place. 




#2538875 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 04:20 PM

It's all a moot point anyway...No way in hell does Babcock dress anyone of the likes of a Tootoo, or an Orr.


Is that what I said?

 

PK is only a part of the game...4th liners take to ice outside of that...Try not putting words in my mouth.

 

Oh, enforcers are better at some other part of the game than our fourth line?  What's that?  Fighting? 

 

Well that doesn't sound like circular logic at all does it?  We should sign a fighter because they're better at fighting than non-fighters.  Smart. 

 

Unless you weren't talking about fighting.  Which part of the game are enforcers better at again?  Taking penalties?

 

If the mass waiving of goons like Orr and McLaren this offseason wasn't already an indication that having enforcers no your roster is retarded, wait until the end of the season and see how Calgary did with their enforcer fourth line.  We already know it will give Krys Barch a boner, but outside of that I suspect that the team will stink and the line itself will be putrid statistically. 

 

But here's the kicker.  That's what Burke wants.  He want a s***ty team so he can draft McDavid.  And while his team is s***ty, he'd like to sell some tickets, so he goons it up.  This isn't a strategy to be a good team.  It's a marketing ploy to be a bad team but still excite dummies like Krys Barch.  Apparently it worked. 




#2538867 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 04:09 PM

Well - being 12th in the league while on the pk is respectable...I'll give you that.

 

So being worse is preferable?  It seems like you're arguing that because we weren't great at something last year, we shouldn't care about it, and make it even worse by adding a fighter.  Smart. 




#2538863 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 04:00 PM

I'm sure Drew Miller would prefer to play against Krys Barch 82 games a year too.  Who wouldn't want to line up across from a guy who can barely skate and only has a rudimentary understanding of how to actually play the game of hockey? 


So...How about the other 2 guys that make up the 4th line...They kill penalty's too?

 

Glendening and Andersson?  Yes, yes they do. 




#2538790 Callahan, Ferraro and Porter placed on Waivers

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 01:45 PM

 

The problem with that is simple: Hartnell is tough but he doesn't strike fear into another guy McGrattan on the other hand does. I don't think he would have asked Scuderi if he wanted to go or not, Scuderi's only choice would have been defend yourself or else...The Penguins don't really have an enforcer they have Bortuzzo big tough kid but I wouldn't call him an enforcer.

 

Still not happy seeing Callahan waived.

 

 

That's not the case at all.  Find me one single time in which McGrattan just attacked a guy for a clean hit.  Also, why (in your fantasy scenario) is McGrattan on the ice with Datsyuk in the first place?  McGrattan, like most heavy weight enforcers, only fights other heavy weight enforcers.  So no, he wouldn't have jumped Scuderi.  And even if he had, he'd have just got a suspension for it the way your boy Shawn Thornton did when he mugged Brooks Orpik for a clean hit.  Exactly what did that solve?  Certainly didn't "keep the Pens honest" as James Neal kneed Marchand in the head half a period later. 




#2538778 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 01:35 PM

He can also be our enforcer...

 

 

And McGrattan (or whatever talentless meathead you like) can be our goal scorer. 




#2538762 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 01:12 PM

The best players will play. 




#2538700 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 08:29 AM

Helm's speed and versatility is indefinitely more valuable than Semin.

 

There are a lot of things that make Helm a better option for some teams than Semin, but it's funny that you picked out speed and versatility.  Semin is versatile and really fast too. 

 

Semin's got as many facets to his game as Helm.  They're just different ones.  Helm's fast, defensively responsible, and good on PK.  Semin's bigger, also very fast, excellent offensively, dangerous on the PP, and is a righty. 

 

oh, and he's actually pretty good defensively too.  Per fancy stats...

 

http://www.washingto...fyClK_blog.html.

 

http://thehockeywrit...the-10-percent/

 

But again, I was really only screwing around.  That ship sailed a long time ago. 




#2538658 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 October 2014 - 09:39 PM

I thought Weiss looked fine in the preseason.  Or, at least no worse than 90% of the rest of the team.  I feel like Nestrasil, Ouellet, and Tatar were the only ones that were doing any scoring so I can't really single Weiss out.  Get him some finishers and he'll be just fine. 




#2538599 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 October 2014 - 04:30 PM

 

If they were unwilling to sign Semin to a 1-year deal, what was it $1.25M?, then I don't think they'd trade Helm for him.

 

I don't think they would either.  I'm being a smart ass.  They'll stick with Helm or Abby on the top line wing, because surely those guys are better scoring line wingers than...Alexander Semin lol.

 

But just look at that shot.