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#2569798 Heading to trade deadline, can someone help me understand

Posted by kipwinger on 11 February 2015 - 12:54 PM

First of all Kessel is not untradable on his contract.  


They wouldn't even have to retain salary nor would he ever pass through waivers.


Their other option would be to buy him out.  Which again will never happen.


He'll be traded in the off-season when teams are more flexible.


Technically if any player declines that much, the only way to "get out" would be to retire or get bought out.


Also if a player just stops reporting to the team he's assigned to then the team can terminate the contract eventually.



Basically this.  Richards and Kessel aren't in the same boat.  One is washed up and unproductive while being massively overpaid.  The other is a little overpaid but is one of the best goal scorers in the game. 

#2569787 So, Evander Kane...

Posted by kipwinger on 11 February 2015 - 12:40 PM

Also Myers is better than Bogosian. I liked Buffalo but that poison pill ruins their like ability a lot. This only makes sense if they waive him or use him to acquire another first rounder man Murray..


How is Myers better than Bogosian?

#2569739 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 11 February 2015 - 10:45 AM



And this is probably the reality of what he's going to command. If Toronto really is starting at a 1st + prospect, and teams are (likely) offering a 2nd rounder, they're likely to meet halfway. If that means a 1st or a 2nd + good prospect, then Detroit's going to have to toss out a 2nd + Ouellet/Pulkkinen/Athanasiou to compete with some of other offers out there.

I don't think all of those guys have the exact same value, but I think they're in the same ballpark. Not our highest end guys, and not players most fans would be comfortable giving up. I'm not sure I pull the trigger on that - meh. The trade deadline has my love and hate.

Edit: If moving Smith for Franson was possible, I would rather go that route. I'm not sure how much interest Toronto would have in Smith, though (if they're looking for picks and prospects). Guess we'll have to see.


I agree with your sentiments, and overall statement completely.  However, I would say that (although most people don't know it yet) Andreas Athanasiou is our best prospect not named Petr Mrazek.  He's flown under the radar because of his injury, but this kid is a monster.  He's better than Mantha, he's better than Ouellet, he's better than Sproul, and though he's not currently better than Pulkkinen he will be a better NHLer. 

#2569735 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 11 February 2015 - 10:19 AM

The deadline is quickly becoming a "generally" unreliable option for improving a team. I say "generally" because although 16 teams make the playoffs, only a few teams a year get a real ugrade at the deadline. Same thing can be said for UFA time in early July.


More and more it seems like Holland's right: the only reliable way to build your team and the only way you're not at the mercy of other GMs, agents, supply and demand, etc, is to draft and develop from within.


I don't agree with this at all.  I think that no team can be successful if they can't draft and develop, but I'd hardly say that's sufficient for building a championship caliber team.  Look at the two teams in the finals last year.  Martin St. Louis, Rick Nash, Derrick Brassard, Brad Richards, Anton Stralman, Benoit Pouliot, Justin Williams, Jeff Carter, Marian Gaborik, Robyn Regehr, Mike Richards, and Jarret Stoll were all drafted and developed elsewhere and contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to their teams' success. 


In other years, the opposite is probably true of the two teams in the finals.  I honestly don't believe there's one right way to build a contender.  I think Holland's way works for Holland, because he and his team are REALLY good at developing players (so it's usually good to keep them).  But I don't think hanging on to your own prospects and picks would help Edmonton, Calgary, Columbus, Ottawa, etc. much.  Because those teams are awful at developing their own talent. 

#2569729 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 11 February 2015 - 09:56 AM

I figured something close to this. He's basically the net front presence down there from what I've seen, but I've only been checking out games more recently.

I'm wondering if he could tweak his game to suit our 4th line, as I know it would be a change from what he's doing down there. I know Detroit's got a lot of depth at forward right now, but I'd love to see a 4th line of Miller-Glendening-Callahan. At the very least, I still think he's an upgrade over Andersson.


I'm sure he can.  And to be honest, despite his projections, I don't think he'll be completely limited to the fourth line in the NHL.  His passing is underrated, and he's got pretty good hands in close.  He's got some offensive upside because of this.  Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he'll be a top six guy or anything, but I also don't think he couldn't produce on the third line eventually.  I mean, I never thought Abby had any offense in him and look at him now. 


I think the important thing for Callahan is that he's got a good frame (he's bigger than he's listed on the Griffins website IMO), he's physically and mentally tough, he works really hard, AND he's not a dummy.  He understand the game, and how to get better. 


I certainly think he could steal Andersson's spot.  He's just got to get the opportunity, and do the things Babs likes.  Andersson has a job because Babs' trusts him to be responsible defensively.  If Callahan gets his chance and can do that, PLUS be physical and produce a little bit, he'll make the team next year.

#2569722 Nasty Business-Roussel ejected for cross-check to McQuaid's throat

Posted by kipwinger on 11 February 2015 - 09:20 AM

Chris Chelios was notorious for hitting people in the face with his stick.  Come off it everybody.  You want to talk about "old time hockey"?  Here you go.  Stick work.  As old timey as it gets. 

#2569648 Original Six...Sorta?

Posted by kipwinger on 10 February 2015 - 04:39 PM

You're such a redneck.


EDIT - we all know that Ford is vastly superior to the crap that GM, and Chrysler - erm - Fiat produces :crazy:


I've got no skin in the game.  I'd drive a golf cart to work as long as Detroiters built it. 

#2569639 Original Six...Sorta?

Posted by kipwinger on 10 February 2015 - 03:49 PM

What utter crap. I like when Olbermann holds people to account, especially stupid people in sports. He can also be a boor. 


As far as the Original Six, I have a hat with the Detroit, Boston, Montreal, Toronto, NYR and Berwyn logos. It says right on the hat "Original Six" on the front and "Old Time Hockey" on the back.


Guess that proves Olbermann wrong.


When I was a kid, I had a t-shirt depicting Calvin and Hobbes peeing on a Ford Truck logo.  It proves, at the very least, how the Calvin, Hobbes, and Ford hierarchy shakes out. 

#2569623 Original Six...Sorta?

Posted by kipwinger on 10 February 2015 - 01:56 PM

Honestly, I think it is a lot of the latter. Humans love arbitrary "labels" and making meaning out of things that are mundane. I think being "first" at something or "original" in the sense of existing before some sort of change is inherently important to a lot of people. Whether that has meaning in itself or meaning because we give it arbitrary meaning I think depends on the importance individual people give to created groupings.

I think I confused myself


Look at you go, you little intellectual. 


Don't let BoS fool you, folks.  There's more to this lady than her potty humor and arbitrary references to pop culture would suggest!

#2569618 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 10 February 2015 - 01:44 PM

Just curious, for those who watch Griffins hockey regularly, does Callahan still play with an edge?

I know he's toned down the extra-curricular stuff, but is he still a pest? 



Yes and no.  He doesn't ever fight, but he's not a pest.  You don't see him trying to get under people's skins the way a traditional pest (Maltby, Glendening) would.  But that's because that isn't his role on his team.  He's a first line power forward in GR and plays that game.  He's most comparable to Abdelkader on our current team.  He's a physically tough, strong, and in your face type of player.  He hustles.  He competes.  He's aggressive.  He's "heavy".  And at the NHL level he'll probably be an agitator.  But in GR he's a top line guy.  So he doesn't act too "pesty", despite his style of play. 

#2569611 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 10 February 2015 - 12:55 PM

My least favorite part of trade deadline/free agency you (nobody) asked? 


Idiots speculating on asking prices and inflating the s*** out of them. 


Case in point:  George Malik (dummy) makes a fairly reasonable assertion that "the Red Wings would have to pay a inter-division premium" to get Cody Franson from Toronto.  Ok, sure.  How much George?  Well, the regular asking price seems to be hovering around a second round pick and (maybe) a prospect.  So George, of course, speculates that it will take a 1st, and a roster player OR  a "prospect or two". 


Elsewhere, Khan speculates that Toronto could refuse to trade with Detroit, so that the latter will lose early in the playoffs, and in doing so make Toronto (a non playoff team) a better option for Babcock in the offseason.  Because Brendan Shanahan would prioritize making someone else's team worse over making his team better.  And because losing early in the playoffs is somehow worse than not making them.  And because Babcock is clinically insane.


And Helen St. James thinks it'll take Tatar to land Myers.


And Ansar Khan thought Matt Niskanen would get close to 7 million per. 


And every single speculated trade involving the Red Wings starts with Mantha, and a 1st. 



#2569465 2/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Coyotes 1

Posted by kipwinger on 09 February 2015 - 09:01 AM

Whatevs, I still love Shane Doan.  Guy's a monster and has had a great career.  And anybody who thinks he's not a good leader ought to think back to how he played against us in the playoffs.  Dude is a beast. 


And beasts are usually hotheads...


which is why Luke Glendening rules.  Hotheads HATE Luke Glendening. 

#2569441 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by kipwinger on 08 February 2015 - 07:02 PM

But Ouellet was only brought back up because of the Dad trip - without that it's Ouellet getting 21 games and then give Marchenko a shot. I think you're reading too much into a player getting more than 3 games to show what he's got. I doubt they've even made much of a judgement on him after so few games anyway.

To me its not about the player, its about the pair. If marchenko can play as good as ouellet, but make smith more effective then that's a net gain. I think the third pair looks better now than it did with ouellet. If marchenko had come in and the third pair had looked bad, then he'd be in GR right now. But its looking good. So that changes things.

#2569438 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by kipwinger on 08 February 2015 - 06:38 PM

Marchenko's only had 3 games. Don't think it says anything more than that he hasn't been awful. I expect he'll get quite a few more games, then get swapped for Sproul to get him a few games prior to the trade deadline. Then, barring a deal, probably have one of the kids up for the rest of the year.

I disagree. I think it means something because of the effect its had on smith. He's looked really good since being moved to his natural side. If having marchenko up means smith plays better, then that may put ouellet in play at the deadline. If marchenko and smith can be a solid third pair it may impact Hollands deadline strategy. IMO Smith has looked much better with Marchenko than he did with Ouellet.

#2569293 2/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Coyotes 1

Posted by kipwinger on 07 February 2015 - 10:32 PM

Soooo...is Tatar going to be a superstar or what? Because its starting to seem like maybe he's going to be a superstar.