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#2373757 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

I do believe that Morrow was one of their highly looked at prospects though. Penguin fans (we know they like to overrate their prospects) had him rated as one of their top, if not, top defensive prospect.


The recent moves haven't been moving fat though, that's the thing. It's been moving picks and it's probably the main thing teams are gunning for this off-season due to the deep draft class.


That's exactly the point I'm making, if you've got a deep talent pool of defensive prospects you can move your top rated one without causing any long term harm to your team as a whole.  Clearly Shero believed that they could move Morrow and still be fine in the long run.  Just because a prospect is really good doesn't mean he has more value playing for your team than he does as trade bait.  Holland always views our prospects as future Red Wings, which isn't necessarily bad, but I'm arguing that a guy like Nyquist or Smith (given our prospect depth) has more value as trade bait than as a future player.  Just like Morrow clearly had more value as trade bait in Shero's eyes. 

#2373753 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 02:26 PM

Thats the downswing to Edmonton.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Edmonton is a good spot either, but Danny could easily see them as a better option than Detroit.


If he thinks that, then he clearly hasn't been paying attention to how the Edmonton Oilers have run their hockey club since around 1990. 

#2373738 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 01:40 PM

Pittsburgh really wants to win it this year, huh? But at the same time, if they're willing to give up two 2nd round picks as well as one of their best prospects, why not do it for Iginla instead? Murray and Morrow have both been awful this season and one of both of them will need a massive turnaround in Pittsburgh for these moves to look good. 


Giving up a lot of future for mediocre guys. Saying that though, they're definitely looking like a contender this year. 


I'm getting a little irritated by this whole "giving up the future" argument.  They are absolutely loaded with defensive prospects.  Moving one out of the bunch isn't going to "mortgage the future".  They have defensive prospects like we have forward prospects, we're lousy with them.  God forbid we move one and rely on the rest for the "future". 

#2373736 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 01:34 PM

I agree. Shero's a smart hockey dude that's not afraid to pay the price for talent. But, to be fair, he has a team that are/were only a few tweaks away from being a top 2 or 3-team favourite. Holland has more holes to fill than that, and last time I checked this team hasn't gone on any 12-13 game winning streaks or whatever. Know what I mean?


I agree, but I don't just mean this season.  I mean in general.  If you look at the Pens team, who did they develop on their own?  Crosby, Fleury, Malkin, Letang, Kennedy.  Those guys are all good, but they are only marginally better than Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Howard, Filppula, and Kronwall...if they're better at all.  However, they've gone out and acquired Neal, Kunitz, Sutter, Martin, Dupuis...and now Murray and Morrow. 


I'm not saying Shero is a better GM than Holland, he doesn't draft or develop players any better than Holland does, and Holland didn't have the option of picking high for guys like Crosby or Malkin.  Where Holland really misses the boat is in the trade/FA markets, where he usually misses out on higher end talent because he likes to play it safe.  You don't get quality players (that you didn't develop yourself) by refusing to move good young prospects, and by refusing to pay market value.  Which is why they got Neal, Sutter, Kunitz, Martin, etc. and we got Sammy, Bert, White, and Quincey. 

#2373710 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 12:46 PM

I don't mind that they're setting the price high.  It's actually kind of refreshing to see a GM who recognizes holes in his lineup and goes out and acquires the pieces he needs to win.  Shero could have paid third rate prices, and he would have got third rate players.  As it is he got two guys that could really help his team and he didn't make excuses or ***** foot around about it.  Good for him. 

#2373622 Something in the works for the Bruins?

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 10:26 AM

Lol!  Is this really the asking price to rent Iginla?  Am I missing something here?


If I could get Iginla for Malcolm Subban I'd do it in a second.  Subban is garbage.  


But I agree with the sentiment, Iginla's asking price is sky high by all accounts. 

#2373616 burmistrov benching

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 10:15 AM

He's in the same situation that we have with Nyquist right now.  An obviously talented player who just isn't putting it all together yet.  What he needs is more development and to be eased into their system.  I doubt they trade him, as they're on record as wanting more offense. 


Just like here in Detroit, you've got the fans screaming for him to play because they like their shiny new toy, and an organization who realizes that all the skill in the world doesn't guarantee success in the NHL if you don't play the right style of game. 

#2373543 Iginla may/may not have added Detroit to his trade list

Posted by kipwinger on 24 March 2013 - 11:41 PM

I don't want an expensive rental.  I'll take a cheaper rental, but not one that's likely not going to say with your team and who will cost a boat load.  If we're in the market for an expensive star winger I'd chase Gaborik before Iginla.  At least he's under contract for another year.


Also, Iginla seriously loves Calgary, as does his family by all accounts.  Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was traded, Calgary got a king's ransom for him, and he returned there in the off season. 


No thanks. 

#2372726 If we win next 6 games, expect a trade

Posted by kipwinger on 23 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

Dear Kenny,

Don't trade Tatar.

Yer pal,



Well if he doesn't trade Tatar we're not doing anything because god knows Nyquist isn't going anywhere.  I mean, look at how he stickhandles.  Kid's gonna be a star I tell ya.

#2372668 Interesting stat for fight fans

Posted by kipwinger on 23 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

I don't think I enjoy anything more than watching Scott Hartnell get punched in the face.  What a clown. 

#2372645 Larry Murphy Fired by FSD

Posted by kipwinger on 23 March 2013 - 12:44 PM

Anybody see that Volunteer Energy commercial with Drapes and Osgood?  If you have there's no way you can say either of those guys would be better in front of a camera than Murph with a straight face.

#2372381 3/22 GDT: Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 1, Abs nets 1st career Hat Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 22 March 2013 - 10:54 PM

I've seen a few videos of Lashoff fighting in GR and he usually handled himself pretty well.  I'm actually surprised it took him this long to get a fighting major in the NHL.  Either way, good for him.

#2372283 3/22 GDT: Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 1, Abs nets 1st career Hat Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 22 March 2013 - 10:21 PM

Abby again? Damn I wish I had a feed in this hotel. Little more detail please?


What kind of device are you on?

Oh, then I am sorry that you are so oversensitive.  I will refrain from my vulgur use of quotes from other posters in the future.


Repeating homophobia still makes you a homophobe.  And he's not being oversensitive, he's just being a generally decent human being, with consideration, and class.  Also, he's not the only one offended by it, so you should probably just stop with the hate speech and smart assy comebacks.

#2372156 3/22 GDT: Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 1, Abs nets 1st career Hat Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 22 March 2013 - 09:34 PM

And Kindl what a garbage pairing!


Not really sure what Kindl did wrong on that one?

#2372135 3/22 GDT: Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 1, Abs nets 1st career Hat Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 22 March 2013 - 09:24 PM

Do we seriously not have anyone better than Abby for the top six, like Sheahan, or Ferraro, or f****** anybody else?!?  Christ.