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#2532864 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 23 July 2014 - 09:13 AM

The Detroit Red Wings have long had the philosophy that prospects need to be "ripe" before they make the jump to the National Hockey League. That means after getting drafted, our prospects spend around 3-5 years between junior or overseas and the AHL before finally getting their shot in the NHL. This has proven to be successful for many years now and I don't see them drastically changing that system any time soon.


I don't see there being much of a chance that Mantha makes the big club this season, despite how highly fans, media and management regard him, nor do I think Jurco will start the season in the NHL. I'm actually a fan of the Red Wing way, of over ripening players, and I like the idea of having a farm oozing with talent. Depth is probably the biggest key to a teams success in the league today, and because of our drafting, development and ripening methods, we are definitely stacked with depth in the minors.


There is a reason players like Nyquist and Tatar were able to jump into the NHL with little to no growing pains, while highly regarded players drafted by other teams get thrown in the fire too early and flame out due to not being ready, and having their confidence destroyed. I'm just as excited for all these kids as anyone but I think it would be a huge mistake to throw them in the best league in the world before they're fully ready, both physically and mentally. In my opinion, on the back end, Marchenko could be ready for full time duty in the NHL, other than that I think Backman, Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen can all use more seasoning in the AHL. Up front, Jurco is the closest to being ready, but could still use another season down in the minors, along with Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, etc.


Anyway, point being, I don't think there is any harm in resigning a future hall-of-famer, veteran like Alfredsson, allowing all of our forward prospects another season in Grand Rapids to round out there game. Having these guys getting top line minutes and loads of PP time down in Grand Rapids, to me is a lot more beneficial than getting 3rd line minutes and no PP time up in Detroit.



As for our RFA's that are not waiver exempt, I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that any team picks up Nestrasil, with a slim chance a team takes a chance on Ferraro, although that may be even less likely now with uncle Tony now as the assistant coach. My only fear is that we lose Callahan. The kid is coming off a career year with the Griffins, is an absolute warrior and would be a great addition to any teams 4th line. I hope Holland doesn't give any team the chance to claim him. No he's not going to put up a lot of points but I think he would be a huge loss...


I don't understand why Callahan doesn't just become the new Holmstrom?  He's clearly tough as hell, has a scoring touch around the crease, and isn't afraid to stand in front of slap shots.  Plus, he's actually good defensively and on special teams.


In another dimension (one where the Wings don't have Andersson or Cleary or Glendening on the opening night roster) I'd pencil this kid in as my fourth line winger, penalty killer, and net front on my 2nd PP unit. 

#2532839 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 22 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

Whoa, don't say that name. Its like beetle juice, three times and he appears

#2532834 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 22 July 2014 - 06:01 PM

I mostly just took that position because I wanted to call someone "soft in the head". I wouldn't care if the took a flier on Mueller if it was a two way.

#2532814 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 22 July 2014 - 02:23 PM


Going to work when you're grieving is no doubt difficult.  But that's not something you get "rewarded" for, nor does it show loyalty.  That's life.


I agree.  But in addition to the whole dad dying thing, he also was a real good sport about starting the season on the bench after he had clearly played his way onto the team, as well as being a good sport about spending probably a year longer in the AHL than he needed to. 


Tatar, despite what some folks think, has had a really good attitude the entire time he's been in Detroit.  I think fans just get worried because he'd the kind of guy who says he's disappointed when he is, or pissed off, or whatever.  So they always think he's got an attitude.  He doesn't.  He's just up front about how he's feeling, which is unique for a Red Wing.

#2532768 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 22 July 2014 - 08:53 AM

Is this project really worth all the criticism it is getting. I figured most arenas get paid for by the city so I don't understand why the big fuss about tax dollars paying for it?


This project is getting criticism because like with almost everything else in the world, reactionary dips***s got all bent out of shape about this before they knew all the facts.  People hear "tax dollars" and assume their personal income tax is going to go up, or some retiree's pension will get cut, to pay for this or something.  Then, because they're already outraged, they can't just stop and admit they were wrong when they hear that the "tax dollars" used to pay for this project have already been collected, and were specifically designated for projects exactly like this one through the Downtown Development Authority. 



#2532721 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 03:45 PM

I'll be honest, I have no idea what the negotiating was like a couple years ago, for either side.  At the time, he was coming off his first 3 years in the league in which he put up totals of 3 goals, 13 goals and 18 goals (along with 26 points, 26 points and 55 points).  Personally, I'd be worried about whether the 55 point total was a fluke or not, but he did look to have nice progression.  Historically, most teams in this situation end up paying for future potential and hope to see further development.  What I don't know is what the Avs were offering or what he was asking for at that time.  If the Avs were low balling him, I'd agree with you, not something you want to do, but if they were offering something reasonable and he was asking for something unreasonable, I'd have a different tune.  There is no way he was worth the contract he signed though and now the Avs look bad in trying to bring him back to something that's more realistic.


As you say, if they low balled him a couple years ago, that's where the problem comes from.


This could be total bulls***, but I remember at the time that O'Reilly was looking for the same money as Duchene was going to get (3.5 mil) and Colorado didn't want to give that to him so he wasn't signing.  Hard to blame him if that was the case considering he was probably the better all around player after their first 3 years, but again, that could all be b.s. 

#2532716 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

I really don't get the people shaking their heads at COL in terms of dealing with O'Reilly.  Yes, he's coming off a career year, but that career year is nothing compared to the consistent years that the players earning the money he wants put up.


At first, I didn't understand at all how he could even have been making $6.5M, but then I remembered the offer sheet...that's how he got there to begin with.  So I decided to do a bit of checking.  I had a look at all the other players in the league with cap hits at or greater than $6.5M (he's now looking for $6.75M by the way, but my guess is that is to aim a bit high and let it come down a bit).  This is what I found:


26 forwards in the league at that level:


16 - have scored 40 or more goals or 100 or more points

4 - have scored 90 or more points

3 - have scored 80 or more points


That leaves the following 4 that haven't scored 40 goals or more than 80pts:


Toews - he has scored 34 goals and 76 pts, but I don't think we need to use stats to say that you can't compare to Toews


Bergeron - he's scored more than 30 goals 2 times and scored more than 60 points 5 times, 70+ points 2 times, selke winner - no comparison


Stastny - getting a bit more comparable, but he has scored 78 points in the NHL and another season with 70+ points as well + he signed his deal as a UFA...big difference


Koivu - this is the one I can't quite understand (i.e. why he's paid so much) - his stats are still better than O'Reilly's career year and he's consistently scored 20+ goals and has scored more than 70 points, but he still looks overpaid.


So, to me, O'Reilly and his 28 goal and 64 point career year don't seem to explain to me why he should be paid $6.5M.


To me it's more a matter of Colorado mishandling the situation so badly that they were put in this position in the first place.  This is exactly what happens if you try and lowball good young talent.  As a 21 year old he was putting up 50+ pts. and was one of the better defensive forwards in the league and his team wanted to hold his feet over the fire.  There had to be a better way to satisfy him AND retain his services without completely alienating the kid.  Sadly, Colorado management didn't seem up to the task. 

#2532689 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 10:32 AM

What are we looking at here?

#2532685 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 10:21 AM

I was just looking at this project on a map.  It's not a stretch to say they're literally rebuilding an entire portion of the city.  The footprint on it is absolutely massive.  Anybody who thinks this is just another arena is nuts.

#2532680 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 10:05 AM

I love the LED dome up top.  That will look REALLY cool on game night. 

#2532442 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by kipwinger on 18 July 2014 - 03:59 AM

The Wing's front office obviously realizes that fans are upset, because this is pretty clearly Babcock doing damage control for Holland. 


Here's an article also referencing the interview.  





I guess we'll just wait and see what the future and Cleary's knee holds. I'm also not sure how much confidence I should give their trainer given the Wing's extensive injuries last season. 


Obvious speculation about "damage control" aside, Mike Barwis isn't the Red Wings trainer.  He's an outside specialist and (based on my very brief internet search) seems to be pretty well respected and established. 

#2532278 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by kipwinger on 16 July 2014 - 03:37 PM


That's cause that's not slander


That's what opinionated pieces are for.


Checking the validity of what's said doesn't move something from the realm of "truth" into the realm of "opinion".  If Holland says "our powerplay is bad because we've been injured" and a reporter says "wait a minute, your powerplay is bad even when the team isn't injured"; that doesn't make what the reporter said an opinion.  And wouldn't you rather have a reporter ask that follow up question than just trumpet "our powerplay is bad because we were injured" back to you whether that's the actual truth or not? 

#2532277 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by kipwinger on 16 July 2014 - 03:29 PM


I couldn't disagree more with that first sentence...


By the sounds of it your advocating for a media atmosphere more like Toronto.  I live in that media sphere and let me tell you it is one huge distraction for that team.


I didn't say a word about Toronto and you're misrepresenting my point to the extreme in order to validate your own.  Surely you'd agree that there's a happy middle ground between "not questioning the organization at all" and "being endlessly combative for the sake of validating oneself". 


I don't think anybody should second guess each and every single little roster decision the coach or GM make.  But I also don't it would be asking too much if the next time Ken Holland said "We don't want to overpay for free agents", a member of the media would respond "didn't you just overpay for Cleary and Quincey?  Why is it ok in those instances?"

So the Powerplay is struggling, whatya have to say about that Mr. Holland?  We've had a lot of injuries.  What's there to follow up on?  What could Chaka Khan or HSJ say to that?  No, you're wrong, it's all your fault for the poor signings?  Gee, guys, you're right, I suck and I'll quit right now.  If it wasn't for your hard hitting reporting and pointing that out, I might not have realized that.


So you signed Danny Cleary when it wasn't popular with the fans, what do you say to THAT?  Well, it was popular with our players and coaches, and that's who I listen to.  I also promised DC that when he chose to come back to the Wings that if he signed with us for a year, I'd give him a second year and we keep our promises, for the good and the bad.  But we think Cleary sucks and we need a defenseman for our PP.  You do????  Oh, well then, I'll tear up the contract and go sign a top rated RH offensive minded D man for the league minimum.  I didn't realize we needed help there.  Thanks for being such good reporters!


The powerplay has struggled since 2010.  Was it injuries every year or is there a bigger problem?  You know who would be great at answering that question?  A member of the sports media. 

#2532147 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 15 July 2014 - 11:53 AM

I don't really have a problem with how Alfie played.  He was alright.  But I still just think we'll run into the same exact problem we have for the last five or six years.  Good teams will keep us to the outside and block shots.  Alfie doesn't help with that.  If we don't get guys into the lineup that can play (and score, sorry Abby) around the crease then we'll just keep running up against the same obstacles year after year. 

#2532008 Red Wings new assistant coaches

Posted by kipwinger on 14 July 2014 - 12:13 PM

I vote for CHRIS DRAPER :thumbup:


No thanks.  I'd prefer someone who's actually coached a single hockey game at any adult level.  Tired of this good ol boy s***.  This organization needs to start acting professionally.