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#2554891 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 02:13 PM


Better than your boy, Colton "I can't get out of the minors" Orr.  


My boy?  I have a long and very explicit hatred of fighting in hockey.  That's well established around here.  You're the one who loves fighting, but can't face up to the fact that Colton Orr consistently mashed McGrattan's face whenever they fought.  Which is precisely why I bring it up. 


I have a hard time figuring why you enjoy fighting so much, but then idolize the second best fighter of his era.  It's a little bit like if Scottie Pippen was your favorite Chicago Bull in the 90's. 

#2554885 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 02:09 PM


Maybe he'll know how to play defense by then  :ninja:


He's perfectly fine defensively.  He's no worse than any other puck moving d-man.  It's just a tag he got stuck with because he broke into the league when he was like 20, and wasn't great.  Since then he's played 20+ minutes a night, on a defense first team, with a defense first coach. 


It's just like how Franzen can have an almost identical ppg average year to year and be inconsistent, or how "Osgood lets in the occasional floater" 15 years after he let in the occasional floater.  It's just something people say because that's what other people say, and they said it because somebody else once said it too. 


If Yandle played here every single person on this forum would absolutely cream themselves.  He's REALLY good. 

#2554864 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 01:14 PM

He must have told Karlsson to block a shot or something.


There's some lines you just don't cross.  Karlsson has WAY too nice a flow to play defense.  I know it.  Ottawa knows it.  And now Paul MacLean knows it. 

#2554850 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:50 PM


What's wrong with being a communist?


Dear god no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#2554825 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:23 PM


People love Helm. Fans love Helm. I love Helm.


But I still agree with your logic. I'll even go further and make the radical statement that Sheahan is, in fact, a 2nd line center already. Mickey Redmond and I agree that he's that good. :lol:


But besides all that, and besides all Helm vs Boedker rhetoric, one important detail is getting over looked. Phoenix would probably want waaaaaaay more than Helm in that trade.


Which is why I originally asked "Helm plus what?".  Also, I don't know that it would be WAY more.  Boedker's a free agent at the end of the season and he's not a superstar.  They'd definitely want more, but how much more is debatable.  Helm plus a second would be a good starting proposal, and I'd possibly be willing to add one of the defense prospects (Jensen or Backman probably), if they really required it. 


Edit:  For context's sake, Tomas Vanek was traded a year ago at the deadline for a high prospect and a conditional second round pick.  We'd be giving Arizona a roster player (and they want centers) and a second.  It's in the ballpark. 

#2554821 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:14 PM

The issue isn't really that he had no clue who Mandela was.  While that is crazy to think, not totally unbelievable as a lot of these guys would have been totally focused on their crafts from a very young age...spending little to no time staying up on current events.


So, he'd get a pass from me for not knowing.  The issue I have is that he was attending a red carpet type event honoring an individual....you'd think he'd take a few minutes to understand the guy he was going to honor.  On top of that, he made it worse by trying to make something up to avoid embarrassment.


Right.  Did he not google Mandela on the way to the event? 


Ohhhhh, you know what it is.  He probably forgot to look it up, and couldn't on the way to the event because everbody knows that smart phones still don't exist in small provincial Canadian towns like Toronto. 

#2554819 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:07 PM

I'm not sure why anybody thinks it is dumb for a reporter to ask a hockey player about Nelson Mandela when said hockey player is attending a ceremony specifically to honor Nelson Mandela. 


If Justin Verlander attended Margret Thatcher commemoration night, and when asked said "Ms. Thatcher is the best player the WNBA has ever seen, and I loved watching her play when I was a kid", he would be a fool.  As is Bernier, clearly.

#2554817 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 11:52 AM


all that is true, but unless you are unloading a top 6 guy from our team (and I would gladly make that Franzen) he is essentially coming here to fill the role of Helm, in which he probably will not get the opportunity to score 50 points in the role Helm plays.  That is why I think is would be better just to stick with Helm.  But I get what you are saying, improve every spot bit by bit. If he has better hands than Helm then he is already a bit of an upgrade!


And you said it yourself, Helm plus what to get him.  I think if we are trading Helm +, it should be for a top minute defender, or at least someone better than Kindl and fils more of our needs.


Helm is playing top six winger minutes.  Boedker is a top six winger.  He plays the same style as Helm.  He's just better, younger, bigger, and more durable.  Why wouldn't he produce more? 


I could see your argument if I was suggesting we bring this kid on, reduce his ice time, and bury him on the third line.  But he'd be coming onto this team and playing with Datsyuk and Tatar (as things are currently).  That's an excellent recipe for offensive success. 


Think about this







The only thing Helm provides that Boedker doesn't is the ability to play center.  And given how old and injury prone Dats and Z are, that's valuable.  But I'm increasingly confident that Sheahan can play the second line center in case of injury, and obviously Weiss can do it as well if he keeps trending upward.


I'm not here to bash Helm.  He's really come along after a slow start.  But I like big, strong, fast, durable, defensively responsible players.  I like them even better when they're all that and 24 years old.  I'd always trade an extra center for a guy like that. 

#2554812 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 11:37 AM

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=0ZD3Xkp8tlA This was a thing of beauty!


Jesus Christ.  Don't ever move either of these two.  Ever. 

#2554051 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 December 2014 - 11:18 AM

Has anyone else noticed that whatever line Weiss is on is the line that's scoring?  He makes whatever line he's on a whole lot better.  If we can get those top two lines sorted out and give him the remainder of the season and playoffs on Sheahan's wing I think we'll be potent heading into the playoffs. 

#2553717 12/4 GDT - Stars 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by kipwinger on 04 December 2014 - 12:46 PM


I agree Kip. Sometimes I wonder if it's about control.


As in: I think Babcock likes tight D because he can control that or make it happen with structure and discipline. Whereas the offence is maybe up to the individual forwards being skilled and creative and less about the coaches 'system'. The only offensive ideas Babcock has ever seemingly had are 1.) shoot the puck and 2.) go to the net.


"Shoot the puck" and "go to the net" is the best possible strategy for a team that has few genuinely skilled offensive players.  For a few years, as a result of injuries, age, roster, and cap restrictions, that was the Red Wings.  That doesn't seem to be the case any longer.  A team with Dats, Z, Franzen, Nyquist, Tatar, Weiss, and Jurco should score goals.  Add in the fact that you're getting previously unanticipated offensive production from Abby and Sheahan (both drafted to be bangers) and you've got a team capable of legitimate offensive dominance, without giving up too much defensively.  But the system has to reflect that change in personnel.  It seems like it's starting to, and I hope a stinker against a decent team (Florida) doesn't change that. 

#2553712 12/4 GDT - Stars 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by kipwinger on 04 December 2014 - 12:23 PM

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen

Tatar - Datsyuk - Helm

Jurco - Sheahan - Weiss

Miller - Glendening - Andersson


Babcock is getting closer to what I have been wanting to see all year... Doubt it'll ever get there though...


Switch Helm and Jurco, plug in Abdelkader for Andersson when he is healthy... Perfect! :tounge2:


And then, when you've finished that, swap Helm with Abby, and Abby with Franzen?  Perfect. 


But in all seriousness, I really don't care how the lines look as long as we keep scoring goals.  I know that Babs and everyone else wants to get back to our good old defensive ways.  But in the last 8 games we've averaged almost four goals a game and won six times (including our best streak of the season, 4 in a row).  Compare that to the first 8 games where we played stingy defense and barely scored two goals a game (4-4 record) and I'm not sure why anybody is clamoring for a return to the old.  Fact is, we're a better team when we're more opened up offensively.  And I'd gladly drop two games out of every eight if it means we'll score almost 4 a night doing it. 


#2553682 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kipwinger on 04 December 2014 - 10:18 AM

Why would he walk if we win the cup?... I think if we get bounced early he may consider walking, if we have a deep run, he stays, if we win the cup, he stays. Personally, I don't think Babcock is going anywhere for at least another few seasons...


Just my gut feeling that he'd be looking for new challenges/opportunities.  Just like Bowman did after his years in Montreal.  Why not?  You get to name your price, coach any player you want to, live in any part of the country you want to, and maybe set yourself up for a GM position somewhere down the line.  Two Cups and the clout he's already got in the NHL and Babs can write his own contract almost anywhere in the league...anywhere except Detroit where he'll get the money but not the additional management decision making power.



Here http://www.cbssports...-xavier-ouellet



“Well, that's a great question to have,” Babcock answered. “I don't have to answer that one, though. I just said I'd ask the other guy and then I'll support everything he's decided.”

“I got my two cents in, so I get one vote,” Babcock said. “He (Holland) gets two, so he can win, 2-1.""


I think a 1:1 vote + asking a third person (assistant GM, Blashill etc.) would be a good idea.


For sure Babs is going to say that as do players, because it drives the price up and doesn't leave much media room for endless speculations. Personally I fully expect him leaving, if he does stay I would be very surprised and happy, by far the best coach in the NHL.


Ken Holland is the most successful GM in the business.  He's has (twice) managed to rebuild an aging team while keeping it competitive.  His drafting and player development programs are unrivaled.  And even his worst mistakes are hardly disasters (no David Clarkson contracts in Detroit). 


Why exactly should anybody else have as much say in the management of the roster as he does?  Should Ken Holland get to have some say in the coaching too or should that be left to the guy who's clearly shown that he's capable of doing it well?


I find myself falling into the same trap sometimes.  I want to see a particular acquisition or roster move, and when it doesn't happen I get irritated with Ken Holland.  But after seeing how good these kids are, how good the ones in Grand Rapids are, and how their growth and development coincides with the decline of the previous core, I'm just going to admit how wrong I am. 


Ken Holland is the best in the business, and nobody (Not Babcock, Blashill, Ryan Martin, Jim Devellano, etc.) should tell him how to manage a roster.  Ever.

#2553637 12/2 GDT : Panthers 4 at Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 03 December 2014 - 07:01 PM

I mean, I know that we s*** the bed and all.  But everybody realizes that Florida isn't a terrible team right?  Like, they're not the same team that's been bottom feeding forever.  They're actually reasonably good. 

#2553218 Alfredsson Set to Sign 1-day Contract with Senators

Posted by kipwinger on 02 December 2014 - 11:02 AM

Typical.  Another quality free agent signs to another team as a result of Ken Holland's inaction.  When will this joker's reign of terror end?!