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#2560808 Randy Carlyle relieved of his duties by Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 06 January 2015 - 09:25 AM

In the final analysis, Carlyle just couldn't make the toast in Toronto. 

#2560806 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 January 2015 - 09:22 AM

I couldn't agree more Jesusberg. We've been on the same page in regards to how Jurco should have been managed, since before the season started. He could still use some more time in the minors and I honestly think if he spent as much time as Nyquist and Tatar down on the farm, he would have turned out to be the most talented among the three... now I'm not so sure... I love Jurco and I do believe he can still be a threat within a few years but I had extremely high expectations for him. Let's hope, this rare prospect mismanagement doesn't bite us in the ass. There really is something to be said for the way the Wings usually manage their prospects.


I also agree with zombo. I love Pulkkinen and he is doing great down in Grand Rapids, I'm sure he will get a call-up at some point this season, but there is no need to make a trade, just to get him up here now... Especially if it would involve trading away one of our young up and coming kids. Makes zero sense.


Jurco will still be fine.  He's 21.  By 24 he'll be doing what Abdelkader is doing now.  By 27 he'll be around 50-60 pts. a year...and physical.  Everything we hoped Franzen would turn out to be.  Jurco is a big kid, but always played a skilled game.  He's basically learning how to be a power forward, but learning in the NHL rather than Juniors or AHL.  It's a steep learning curve.  Abby had the same one. 


Jurco is already an excellent passer, once he learns how to score in tight, his production will explode. 

#2560765 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 10:13 PM

Babcock on Weiss:  http://www.mlive.com...co_playing.html


Babcock said Weiss has been fine, but he must take someone else's minutes.

"I think he's battling real hard, now he has to take someone's job," Babcock said. "That's how it is."



Unreal.  We're playing like garbage, we can't score, and Weiss has to earn more than ten minutes a game?  I don't remember Abdelkader having to earn back his ice time after his shoulder injury (the same exact one as Weiss had, but which kept him out longer).  Babcock is such af****** tool.


At least Khan finally asked though.  I like to think it's because of TheGlistening's friendly prodding lol. 

#2560741 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 06:32 PM

You know what's extra annoying?  This video where Babcock talks about Weiss and extolls him to "score, score, score" in order to help the team.  So then Weiss does.  And then Babs benches him. 


#2560730 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 04:23 PM

If I was Ken Holland I'd call her office right now and ask "what the f*** Helene"?  Why would you speculate about a players' trade value, and fuel subsequent rumors, while he's playing the best hockey of anyone on the team? 


I've always thought Helene St. James was stupid.  But this is seriously next level stupidity.  It's like if stupidity went super saiyan. 

#2560720 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 02:03 PM

I think with forwards too. The 2010 team had a lot of injuries, but Dats and Z were better. Franzen was the better version then. This team doesn't have anything that matches Homer, especially on the PP. Flip was having a good year. Bertuzzi was still a threat. Cleary was still a solid 20 goal 40 point guy.

Maybe I'm being too pessimistic but with the current roster once you get past Dats, Z, Franzen, Nyquist and Tatar, goal scoring ability drops off significantly. Maybe Abby this year.


I take projections with a grain of salt, but based on their current levels of production we can "expect" the following:


25-30 goals:  Tatar, Nyquist, Datsyuk

18-20 goals:  Zetterberg, Abdelkader

15 goals:  Helm, Sheahan, Franzen, (maybe) Weiss. 

10 goals:  Kronwall


I agree with you about the vast difference in the quality of our defense, but it's really not hard to see why Babs would feel that way about the forwards (at least).  If you look at it like its listed above, you've essentially got a first line full of 30 goal scorers, a second line full of 20 goal scorer, a third line full of 15 goal scorers, and a shutdown fourth line. 

#2560718 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 01:39 PM


Well in a perfect world I would have prefered Nill - Babcock or even better Yzerman - Babcock and Holland as VP of hockey operations but that's not gonna happen for at least another 4 years. Personally I think the decision according Babcock has already been made otherwise he would have long been said, so the question for me is whom to I want as a replacement.


Blashill ? Great success in the AHL but remember Eakins

Bylsma ? His offensive style is not the right approach for this team

Tortarella ? Hell no

Julien ? If the Bruins fire him ...interesting choice but the Wings are way too soft for his style of play

Hitchcock ? Has the Blues playing a very tight defensive system behind a comparable goalie but their defense is much better...Pietrangelo is easily a top 5 defender but he should do better than all the aforementioned coaches

Hartley ? Loves hard work, is a no BS kind of guy although the makeup of the team would have to change


Other than that there really aren't much choices for the Wings so would I prefer Babs staying ? Of course but I don't think it will happen.


Jeff Blashill and Dallas Eakins' situations are NOTHING alike.  This isn't the first time you've used Eakins' tragicomedy as a justification for why Blashill might not be the right choice for Detroit and you couldn't be more wrong. 


1.  Jeff Blashill is a MUCH better coach than Dallas Eakins was in the AHL.  His record and accomplishments speak for themselves.  Something Eakins cannot say. 


2.  You're falsely making it seem like Eakins' wasn't successful in Edmonton because he wasn't an established NHL coach and was coming from the AHL.  That, in short, is bulls***.  Many coaches, with much greater experience, have sucked worse at coaching the Oilers.  Eakins' actually had a better record coaching the Oilers than Pat Quinn did. 


3.  The Red Wings are not the Oilers.  A team led by disciplined, decorated, and accountable veterans intermixed with some up and coming young players who have learned how to play the game right and were developed correctly is NOTHING like a team full of young, entitled, first rounders with zero development and no accountability. 



Overall, I actually agree with your general point.  No sense letting Babcock go if there isn't a better option.  I agree 100%.  And it's up to Ken Holland and co. to determine whether there are better options.  But please stop using Dallas Eakins and the Edmonton Oilers as some kind of cautionary tale.  Literally the only thing that Eakins and Blashill have in common is that they both coached in the AHL.  Aside from that, they're apples to oranges. 

I don't remember him saying that but there's no way this team has more people who can score since 2009. The 2010 versions of Dats, Z, Rafalski, Lids, Homer, Bertuzzi, Cleary, Flip, Kronwall and Franzen alone beats this lineup.

Even if the forwards in 2010 and now were equal, Lidstrom and Rafalski blow away anyone we have on the blueline right now.


He did.  Right here.  I linked you to this a couple weeks ago.  Clearly you and Uncle Mike have very different opinions on the offensive potential of this team. 



#2560703 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 11:35 AM

Nyquist will not be traded because he is Swedish.  But Kip, I do agree, I like Tatar better than Nyquist and would choose to trade him first.  I'd rather not trade either of them, especially for the RH'd version of Ericsson.  But maybe Pulkkinen will get his call up and maybe he will out perform Tatar.  It just stinks that our D cannot get it together enough to avoid a major trade like this (rumor.)  I know I was all over the (non)trade for Perron, but it would not have hurt as much as losing Tatar.  He should be one of the untouchable's IMO.  Hopefully this is only rumor and Holland just stands fast until one or two of his RH'd kids come up next year (marchenko or Jensen, both out of expemtions.)



I agree.  At this point I don't want to see any kind of trade that involves significant pieces.  Firstly, because I have a lot of faith in our kids.  Secondly, because I have almost no faith in our coach using guys properly.  Wouldn't it suck to lose Tatar for Myers and then have Babs utilize him in some asinine way?  And it's not like that's out of the realm of possibility. 


I'd waive Kindl (or trade for picks), promote Ouellet, and (maybe) add a second tier, right shot, defenseman at the deadline, if the asking price isn't too much. 

#2560695 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 10:49 AM



I'm of the opinion that Weiss was never known for his defensive awareness, and maybe Babcock is sending a message by demoting him...Then again I've been wrong about alot of stuff so - what do I know?



Any scouting report I've ever seen on Weiss mentions his two way game and defensive responsibilities.  But I don't know either.  That's why I'm irritated that nobody has bothered to ask or write about it.  You've got a 5 million dollar player getting 7-10 minutes a night, AND he wasn't playing bad before getting benched.  It's a head scratcher. 

#2560693 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 10:40 AM

And what gets me scratching my head is that when he returned - Weiss was pretty productive...I'm all for giving Weiss the linemates, and ice time that Franzen has, and let the Mule sit in the press box.


I mean, maybe there's a perfectly good explanation for it.  My problem isn't (necessarily) that Weiss is on the fourth line, it's that nobody is even asking why.  And given his production up until the demotion, you'd think the dramatic reversal in this fortunes might be of interest to a beat reporter. 

#2560690 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by kipwinger on 05 January 2015 - 10:11 AM

It drives me nuts that not a single member of the press corps has asked or written about this Weiss situation.  Khans busy speculating about all-star ballots, while St. James is making up trade rumors involving Tatar.  Neither, apparently, have the time to ask actual questions about real team issues.  Garbage. 

#2560283 Pens aquire David Perron from Oilers

Posted by kipwinger on 03 January 2015 - 11:34 AM

Perron would have helped our offense. Now he is going to help the Pens offense and they gave very little. Holland could've beat that offer and should've. Abby and Franzen are not top 6 players and aren't getting it done. Perron would've been an upgrade over both of them in our top 6.


Perron, given his skill set, would not have been competing for a spot with Franzen and Abby.  He would have been competing with Nyquist and Tatar...both of whom are better.  Babcock likes a big bodied puck retrieval type guy on each line ideally.  So even if we got Perron, he'd still keep Abby and/or Franzen in the top six.  Do you honestly think Mike Babcock would put Perron on one wing and Tatar or Nyquist on the other?  Keep dreaming dude. 


I get that you've got a lot wrapped up in this "Holland is stupid and lazy" thing, but he shouldn't pursue EVERY available player just because he could, theoretically, beat the best offer.  If it doesn't address a need then he shouldn't do it.  And Perron doesn't address a need. 


I'd be with you if it were a good puck mover, or a big forward.  But what does Perron do that Tatar, Nyquist, and Weiss don't do better?  And like I said, given Babs' preferences, those are the guys he'd be competing with for a spot in the top six.  Not Helm, Abby, or Franzen. 

#2560280 Pens aquire David Perron from Oilers

Posted by kipwinger on 03 January 2015 - 11:05 AM

Why the hell would the Wings want David Perron?  You guys are acting like we've lost out on some huge need here.  Perron is a good player, but he's not some big, goal scoring, power forward.  He's an smallish, offensive, skilled player.  We've got so many of those that Stephen Weiss is currently playing on the fourth line.  We have ZERO need for David Perron, so lets not cry over spilled milk. 

#2560268 Winter Classic lowest rating ever (2,3)

Posted by kipwinger on 03 January 2015 - 08:54 AM

The league needs to let the Ave's host it at Mile High Stadium against the Wings. 


Bring back one of the greatest rivalries in Hockey! Imagine the Alumni Game they could have if they bring back the Alumni Game (Not sure why there wasn't one for Caps/Hawks), has an Alumni Game ever had a line brawl break out before? 


No Alumni game for this year's classic because Peter Bondra couldn't play every position on the ice for the Caps and Dale Hunter is still not welcome in most NHL cities...including Washington.  Without those two they're short on quality alumni in the Nation's Capital. 

#2560240 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 02 January 2015 - 08:46 PM

Those are the kinds of goals I want to see him scoring.  I'm glad when he gets on the score board cleaning up trash in front of the crease, but I want to see him developing his shot at the pro level.  Any big body can bang in a rebound, but a big body that can bang in rebounds AND pick the corners is lethal.  Just ask Rick Nash and Jeff Carter.