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#2478813 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 January 2014 - 06:56 PM

Detroit would be a better team with Datsyuk and Stamkos than Zetterberg and Stamkos.  Although both teams would be VERY good with either of those combos. Zetterberg NOR Datsyuk are being traded so this is all for fun, but what will be fun is if/when Holland gets that type of scorer to play on the same lilne with BOTH Zetterberg and Datsyuk...and that is a major missing piece that Holland needs to address this summer...


Moving to the D.  Some folks here say that the Wings aren't ONE superstar defenseman away from the Stanley Cup, but if you look at our Stanley Cup winning teams, each and every one of those teams had ONE superstar defenseman and 5-6 solid others. (outside of 1997 when Vladdy was here and Lids was just becoming a superstar)


1997 - Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Fetisov, Murphy, Ward, Pushor, Rouse (Dandenault was still a RW)

1998 - Lidstrom, Murphy, Fetisov, Rouse, Mironov, Eriksson, Macoun (Dandenault was still a RW)

2002 - Lidstrom, Dandenault, Chelios, Duchesne, Fischer, Olausson (Krupp, Slegr)

2008 - Lidstrom, Chelios, Kronwall, Lebda, Rafalski, Stuart, Lilja


The common here is ONE superstar and a group of level B solid defenders.  Right now we have a whole D corps of level B-C defenders


Kronwall - Ericsson - Dekeyser - Smith those four will be your solid group of level B defenders, we NEED that superstar to anchor this team for the next 6-8 years+.


SUPERSTAR - Kronwall

Ericsson - Dekeyser

Smith - B defender

C Defender


That's the key on D.


Lefty, you're reaching.  Lidstrom, Fetisov, Murphy, and Chelios are all Hall of Famers.  Konstantinov would have been.  In the 1997-1998 season Fetisov played 18:00 minutes a night and Murphy 25:00 minutes.  I can't find numbers for the year before but logic dictates it was probably not less icetime given that they were a year younger.  In 2001-2002 Chelios played 25 minutes a night.  In 1997-1998 Lidstrom played 27:00 minutes a night, in 2001-2002 he played 28:00, and in 2007-2008 he played 26:00...again, no stats for 1996-1997 but there's no reason to assume a huge change one way or another.  Finally, because he was only on the first Cup team there's no stats for Konstantinov, but considering he was considered the better of the two (at the time) between he and Lidstrom, you have to assume it was a lot for him as well. 


It's not like they were a bunch of young kids who hadn't reached their potential, or else old guys who were past it.  They were Hall of Fame players logging HUGE minutes.  You've got a moderately valid point for 2008...maybe...but that was post cap and our defense was about as good as it could be given those constraints.

#2478695 Franzen Placed on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 29 January 2014 - 10:15 AM

Just out of curiosity, isn't it possible that nothing nefarious happened and that Franzen simply had a reoccurrence of symptoms which had subsided consistently over the previous week, culminating in three straight days without symptoms at all? 


Is that really such an extraordinary sequence of events?

#2478674 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 January 2014 - 08:45 AM

I'd trade anyone but Zetterberg, Helm, Dekeyser, Smith and Howard for a powerforward. Even Datsyuk. Then add an enforcer. The complexion of this team must change to compete in the east. This would be a start.


I just want to be clear, you'd trade Datsyuk for a powerforward but Smith is untouchable?

#2478159 NHL may rethink Sochi

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 01:55 PM

I have a two part prediction that might be considered "bold" by some.  1)  The Olympics will go off without a hitch, 2) The Americans will win the gold...easily.


Suck it Canada, and suck it even more terrorism.

#2478149 Franzen Placed on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 01:48 PM

Jesus, a lot of you are making it seem like he's been out for a year or two.  He's not Crosby there fellas, he's missed a good chunk of time, but that happens with concussions.  Let's not jump to conclusions.  I mean, if I had a nickel for every person that said Helm or Bertuzzi was done after last year I'd be typing this post from somewhere that serves drinks with little umbrellas out of Brazilian girls' belly buttons...so basically anywhere in Brazil.

#2478030 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 10:25 AM

Wonder if gaborik makes it to free agency.. Although I don't know if we'd want to pay him as much as he'll demand elsewhere anyway


I've always loved Gaborik, and for the right price (significantly less than he makes now) I'd still take him.  But honestly, I'd like to see a Jeff Carter/James Van Riemsdyk type of guy.  Those two aren't going anywhere, but you get the idea.

#2478029 Babcock's comments on playing time

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 10:22 AM


Well, the blame is passed from one to the other in different circumstances.


It is on Babcock when he can pick and choose who he wants to play and he picks incorrectly.


It is on Holland when everyone is healthy, and we have to send down guys who make the team better because he kept signing a bunch of guys we didn't need. 


I agree with your point, however I'm not particularly interested in "blaming" anyone.  It's not therapeutic for me to point fingers.  The roster could have been managed better, and the coaching could be better, but immaterial right now.  We've got a team that could (and should) go on a run down the stretch.  There's no reason for this team to miss the playoffs.  Add a puck mover to the second pair (moving Smith to the third and Kindl off the team for good) and a scoring winger with some size and there's no reason we shouldn't compete for the Cup.


But to do so requires that tough decisions be made.  Moving the right combination of vets, prospects, young guys, and picks.  How deftly Holland does that will say a lot more about his talent than all the FA singings in the world.  Likewise, how well Babs can coach a young team that doesn't coach itself (like he's had since he joined the organization) will say a lot about his talent as well. 

#2478023 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 10:08 AM

Same as we need this year.  Big forward that can score and a second pairing puck mover who's better than Smith.  That's it.

#2478021 Babcock's comments on playing time

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 10:07 AM

This is just like every other Babcock cliche.  It's not saying much to say "the best players will play" when there's no competition for jobs at the moment.  Bring Dats, Z, and Weiss back and there will be, and I'd be amazed if "the best player played". 


He might as well say, "the best player (who can effectively alleviate cap constraints) will play".  Which is no different than two months ago when Tootoo and Eaves were waived. 


Talk is cheap.  It's time for Holland and Babs to actually DO SOMETHING to prove that "the best players will play".  And that doesn't mean waiving Sammy either.

#2477881 So when would you make a move and what type?

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2014 - 01:52 PM

I am going to be one of the first to have it written down.  This summer, Ken Holland will pursue and most likely attain the services of Shea Weber.  Nashville didn't like that contract to begin with and they are really riding the bottom of the NHL and will look for a new direction.  Babcock will spend the Olympics schmoozing Weber and talking up the direction of the Red Wings, and when the Wings make the playoffs for the 23rd straight season this will solidify Weber's decision to want to come to Detroit.  The price will be hefty, but it will involve our 1st round pick this season to give Nashville TWO picks in the top 17.  It may include some guys that we do not want to lose, but for Weber, the price is worth it...


You're off your rocker man, but I do appreciate your enthusiasm. 

#2476577 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 24 January 2014 - 04:37 PM

The play by most of the Griffins call ups is going to make things very interesting once we get the majority of our players back.  If I had to guess, I would say that both Sheahan and Jurco will go back down.  What I can't figure out is how you take Glendening out of the lineup (even for say Andersson).


After watching the past few games both he (Glendening) and Lashoff have stood out to me.  Not because they create great chances or play smart defensive hockey, but because both can be a bit nasty.  I think that element more than say a crushing hitter or some big time fighter is what we've been missing most. 


Both of the those guys do play solid hockey, but they also get under people's skin.  Glendening was all over Kane during the Chicago game and was at someone else earlier in the week.  And Lashoff, although he may not crush people, can be down right nasty in front of his own net (see the Hossa exchange during the last game).  These two guys make us harder to play against, maybe not physically so much but definitely mentally for the other team.  I think the wings expected this out of Tootoo, but just got a guy who runs around, tries to put people through the boards and fights occasionally.  I think the fact the two guys above are just on top of the other team from the get go pisses them off, especially if they're giving someone a hidden slash or crosscheck. 


Plus Glendening gives us something we currently don't have, a right-handed centerman.


Said it before I'll say it again, I love Brian Lashoff.  Despite never scoring, and being on the ice with linemates who never score, he's still a respectable -2...ya know...because he actually plays defense.  A far cry from the defensive ubermensch that are Kindl and Smith. 

#2476353 Turning point!?!?!

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2014 - 04:37 PM



And this.


You're right, one game doesn't mean it's a turning point.  However, I think the actual turning point was right around the Winter Classic.  We've lost 5 times since that game and won four.  We beat REALLY good teams in Chicago and Los Angeles(twice), and played very well against the Rangers, Ducks, and Maple Leafs (all one goal games).  We had two terrible games against San Jose and St. Louis.  Additionally, since the WC Jimmy Howard seems to have regained (and hopefully not lost to injury again) his dominant form, and Tatar and Zetterberg have carried the team. 


Add some combination of Dats, Franzen, Helm, or Alfie to any of those one goal games and we probably win a couple of them and our record could very easily be 6-3.  Not too shabby when you consider that Chicago, LA, St. Louis, San Jose, and Anaheim are probably 5 of the top 7 or 8 teams in the league while Toronto and the Rangers are playoff teams as well. 


People freak because all they see are the tight standings, but we're actually playing some pretty good hockey in spite of having a farm team.

#2476288 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2014 - 11:57 AM

Weiss is going nowhere.


I honestly can't wait until he gets back and starts dominating.  There's a tendency (particularly around LGW) to just assume that there's no cause for his poor play, and that the only remedy is to move him.  The guy has a 10 year track record of success in the NHL.  He didn't just forget how to play hockey one day, and he isn't a flash in the pan either.  He's been hurt...all year...and soon he'll be healthy.  And then he'll be good.

#2475771 1/22 GDT : Blackhawks 4 at Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2014 - 09:33 PM

Henrik Zetterberg isf****** awesome!

#2475437 Look who's top in GR scoring

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2014 - 06:59 PM

Ferraro has never generated any real excitement among scouts or anyone other than fans.  I don't follow prospects super-close, but I do know aside from his draft-day, there's been very little hype and a lot of criticism.  I've never really heard anyone seriously suggest he was ever going to make the Wings.  


I'm sure Callahan will get his chance, though.  They're just focused on trying to get a stable core of young guns, and we've already called up so many.


I think you're being a little harsh on Ferraro.  He definitely wasn't an exciting pick when they took him, and he has struggled with injuries for much of his AHL career, but he really broke through last season and looked good.  There was a lot of talk last season about him finally taking the next step in his development, particularly in terms of developing his two-way game.  While nobody has ever spoke of him playing a top six role in Detroit, as of a year ago he was considered a lock for a future bottom six spot. 


Having said that, the rapid development of Sheahan and Glendening, along with Babs' man crush on the latter may mean that Ferraro has been leap frogged.