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#2538144 TSN Luke Schenn could be available

Posted by kipwinger on 03 October 2014 - 12:28 PM

How many games will Ericsson play this year?


How many turnovers will Quincey, and Smith have that lead to goals?


I'll be honest about having little knowledge of the Dmen we have have in GR, but how many will we see as regulars at the NHL level?


From what we've seen since Lids retired - we can never have too many Dmen who are capable in their own end, and are capable of blocking shots/clearing the crease.


I guess I see myself defending Schenn since I felt he was a solid 'throwback' Dman when he was a Leaf, and some here think less of him than Quincey...Truth be told - I'd take Schenn any day of the week over Quincey.


You're creating a little bit of a false dichotomy here.  That he may or may not be better than Quincey is still not a reason to acquire him.  "Better than Quincey-ness" isn't a good way to evaluate whether a player would help you much.  Where's he going to play (3rd pair at 3.3 million)?  What is his skill set (he's a less effective puck mover than Quincey)?  Also, I see no reason to believe that Philly would trade a marginal defenseman for a more expensive marginal defenseman. 


It seems like you're saying that in a vacuum you'd rather have Schenn than Quincey, which I  suppose isn't too unreasonable.  But that wouldn't address any of the problems with our back end, since the problem is that we can't move the puck, so why bother?

#2538135 TSN Luke Schenn could be available

Posted by kipwinger on 03 October 2014 - 11:48 AM


He speaks for a certain generation. When I watch leafs games with my father-in-law (he is 55 and a HUGE Leafs fan) when Don Cherry comes on the whole house has to be quiet. Personally I think the guy is very outdated with his way of thinking, but he does make good points every once in a while.


When was he "in-dated"?  His points of view got him exactly one NHL game as a player, and one trip to the finals as a coach.  That's not exactly a validation of his hockey smarts when you consider the kind of goobers who have been much more successful than that. 



#2538131 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by kipwinger on 03 October 2014 - 11:42 AM


I think someone had posted a quote from one of Khan's articles.  I can't remember the exact quote but I think people are reading too much of it in thinking Kindl and Lashoff's jobs are definitely safe.  Has Kindl even made it through a season without being a healthy scratch?


Agreed.  Here's the article.  There's a lot of Babcockisms, which generally don't mean much at all, and Khan interpreted things in the most definite way possible.  I'll be amazed if Kindl (and to a lesser degree Lashoff) aren't on a VERY short leash this season.


#2538105 TSN Luke Schenn could be available

Posted by kipwinger on 03 October 2014 - 08:56 AM

But he's big.  I mean, look at the size of him.  Who cares if he's any good or not?  He's big.  That's all that matters.  We could pair him up with Mike Mckee and teams would be scared to death.  Because NHL coaches, the league over, are bewildered by club footed meatheads.  You know, cuz they're big.

#2537912 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2014 - 01:30 PM

I'll believe it when I see it.  Holland's been saying that for about 5 years now.  Once the trade deadline passes then he'll start telling everyone how's he's going to be a big player in free agency.  Ho hum.

#2537903 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2014 - 11:06 AM


I disagree with Mule and E. I don't think you replace his goal scoring, or E's defensive skills and PK ability with the kids the team has now. On the other hand, I feel like Andersson, Quincey and Kindl could all be upgraded or swapped for someone of similar value. I'm on the fence with Helm, but with all his nagging injuries and the depth the Wings have at center right now, I think they could get by without him. He's still got a lot of value, but slotting Dats, Weiss, Sheahan and Glendening down the middle works out well. Not to mention, they'll have some good bottom 6 depth at center with Larkin and Turgeon down the road.


Not to mention Nosek and Athanasiou. 

#2537859 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 September 2014 - 04:10 PM

So what if they lost more close games than not? That doesn't discredit the fact Babcock had the team playing a style of hockey that gave them a chance to win on most nights. Sometimes you get the bounces, or a kid gets a hot streak, sometimes you regress to the the mean and the team with more skill actually wins.

I hope you can identify more strategy than just trapping, kip. You're better than that. Babs had everyone back checking hard, supporting the puck tightly, playing on the right side of the puck at all times, even if it meant less chances for an odd-man rush in our favor. The team was playing a soft swarm in the defensive zone pretty effectively, and doing a good job keeping the puck along the perimeter most nights. They've been relieving deep zone pressure by going up the middle for years and other teams are just now starting to adapt that strategy as well. In the offensive zone players are rarely caught deep on a turnover. And again, many of the guys playing last year started in the AHL and thus didn't have any experience playing under Babcock, so I imagine there was an added variable for adjusting to playing under a new coach and a new system, with a new role.
And just for the record, the three teams you mentioned who also play the trap effectively failed to make the playoffs last year, despite a healthier roster than the Wings.


He had them playing a style of game that leads many less-skilled teams to limited success.  I agree.  That doesn't make him "heroic", or a "genius".  Many other coaches have used a similar strategy to have limited success in the past.  Since when does adopting standard practice make someone heroic? 


The true "heroes" last season were a bunch of kids taking a team on their backs and outperforming expectations night in and night out.  NOBODY, including our coach and GM, thought that Nyquist or Tatar were capable of what they did.  Let alone Sheahan, Jurco, Glendening. 


But all hail Mike Babcock because he was forced to focus more heavily on defense given that his offensive stars were hurt.  Nobody else would have ever thought of that.


Mike Babcock is a good coach.  Evidence of that is 2003, 2008, and 2009.  Not 2014. 

#2537808 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 30 September 2014 - 08:25 AM

Like everyone else I thought Jensen looked really good.  He does exactly what I wish Smith would do with the puck.  Skate it out of trouble and then get it to a forward.  He doesn't do too much. 


Otherwise I thought the Jurco-Sheahan-Tatar line looked great.  If Babs breaks that line up he's a goon (so I guess I should prepare for it).  I thought Callahan showed he could be an effective fourth liner in more than just an agitator role.  Also, Sproul's shot is sick...but I already new that. 


Wish I could have seen Nosek more, but unfortunately he must have forgot that the numbers go on the back of the sweater in North American hockey. 


Edit:  Oh, I forgot to add that Weiss looked really good out there.  He's a really quick, efficient player.   He gets to loose pucks and has the skating ability to hang on to them.  He's going to score points for us this year.  He just needs a bit more time to knock the rust off his passing and shot, and WAY better linemates. 

#2537733 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 08:44 PM

There's a reason that Reimer gave up a huge rebound on that even though he was squared up to it and there was nobody screening him...Sproul has a frickin' laser beam for a shot. 

#2537725 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 08:40 PM

I don't know about everyone else, but I'd really like that point shot on the Red Wings powerplay. 

#2537603 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 03:49 PM


No kidding. 


My point was that people tend to overrate prospects and it's incredibly hard to predict how they will fare in the NHL, even for professionals.



Like these future Red Wings:


"He is a man amongst boys sometimes. He's not overly physical, but he takes the man and plays the body and he's got a little chip on his shoulder at times. But he's more of a skilled guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (December 2005)  "He's gotten stronger. He still needs to get a little bit stronger, but at training camp, he came close to making the team. He was definitely good enough to play and stick there. He's the kind of guy who plays better with better players. Down the road, I would think he's going to be a top-four guy. He's good on the power play and he's a real smart kid." -- McDonnell (October 2006) 



"He's got very good hockey sense, good stick skills, and he's a Red Wings type of player, the way he thinks the game. We think he's a top two line player. Like with all kids, he needs to improve his strength. He needs to work on his leg strength and get his skating a little bit stronger, but it's just the maturing of the body." -- Red Wings assistant general manager Jim Nill (June 2006) ... "His hockey sense is his best asset. He's a very smart player. He's just got to get bigger and stronger, but he's a pretty well-rounded guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (October 2006) ...



That's Kindl and Emmerton.



I hope these young guys turn into NHL d-men, I just don't think you really can tell too much until they get time with the big club. 


I get what you're saying but I think you're over simplifying a bit.  I mean, scouts lauded Emmerton and scouts lauded Nyquist.  But it would be silly to suggest that there's no telling which of the two would be a better NHLer until they get to the big club.  You could tell by their AHL careers who would be better before they ever touched the NHL.  One dominated that league, and one was average.  That's all I'm saying about these d-men.  Jakub Kindl in his best AHL season wasn't as good as Ryan Sproul just was as a rookie.  Does that guarantee that Sproul will be stud NHLer?  Absolutely not.  But it's a pretty good indication that he'll be better than Jakub Kindl.  I don't think it's fair to say "we don't know until they get there".  We know how these guys project, and we know how far along their developmental trajectories they are based on how well they're playing against their current level of competition.  So I think it's safe to draw SOME conclusions from that.  Not guarantees.  But certainly conclusions. 

#2537593 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 02:38 PM


Admittedly I don't know a ton about our prospects.  I guess after seeing so many promising prospects wash out over the years, I have a fairly conservative view on how many will actually turn into full time NHL defensemen.  People here were saying the Wings had the deepest defensive prospects in the league in 2007.


People here say a lot of things.

#2537577 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 12:48 PM



Babcock has some young talent to work with on offense, but the blueline basically has three consistent NHL defenseman and a potluck for the other half.  Then there's also the question of which Jimmy Howard will show up. 


It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world , but in terms of changes that could bring the Wings more success, I would put letting Babcock at or near the bottom of that list.


Agreed, which is why I said wait and see how the season turns out. 


But I disagree with your second point.  Babs has got plenty of good young talent on defense too.  But we'll never know how much better we'd be if he doesn't play them.  Hence his perplexing "Kindl and Lashoff's jobs are safe" interview.  We've got to remember that until injuries forced his hand a year ago he wasn't aware of what he had on offense either.  When it comes to playing young guys, Babs is risk averse.  Which I'd understand if our team was really good.  But it isn't.  So I don't see the problem in tinkering with the defense given the dirth of talent we've got sitting in GR. 

#2537565 Ericsson/Smith Day-to-Day with groin/hip flexor issues

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 11:31 AM


#2537564 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 11:30 AM


Agreed. Plus, you know Blashill is already on a lot of team's radars. If we resign Babs, Blashill is pretty much as good as gone. 


I agree, and I'd be really reluctant to see him go.  I like his system.  He believes in team defense, but he seems more amenable to offense than Babs does.  Babs seems to want to win every game the way the Canadian Olympic Team did.  Which would be fine if you were winning those close games, but we don't.  With guys like Dats, Z, Franzen, Nyquist, Tatar, Weiss, and hopefully Mantha and Jurco (by the end of the season) there's no reason not to have a pretty good offense.  So hopefully we won't be hearing "we don't have the skill to play like we used to", because this team has a good bit more skill (on the front end) than the 2008 team did.