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#2555076 Honest question for everyone.

Posted by kipwinger on 09 December 2014 - 11:58 AM

But I also never said he wasn't bad defensively either. I believe the best I said about his defense this year was average?

To me I try to separate what I feel is players potential and what the facts are. When speaking about smith it's mostly about his potential(except his offense which last year was good but not where it needs to be).

Like Tatar could potentially be a 30 goal a year guy. But it would be wrong of me to label him as such now right?

Tatar is terrible defensively but I don't feel the need to rag on him constantly(like you do with smith).


So why not talk about all of Weiss' potential?  You had no problem harping on him and ignoring how great an impact he could "potentially" have on this lineup.  Instead you acted like it was the worst signing Holland ever made.  If you're all about judging on potential how'd you miss that?


Like I said, this is just you trying to justify yourself after the fact.  If you were consistent in your analysis of players you'd have to A) give all players (including the ones you don't like) credit for their potential, or B) Judge all players (including the ones you do like) based on their current play. 


You do neither, and both.  You gloss over the shortcomings of players you like, based on their potential benefits, and you harp on players you don't like based on their current play.  It's a not so clever way for you to avoid saying anything that could be wrong.  People do it all the time.  You're not some special case.

#2555074 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by kipwinger on 09 December 2014 - 11:50 AM

Edmonton does not want to win.  They want to draft McDavid.  They'll change coaches after the season. 

#2555052 Honest question for everyone.

Posted by kipwinger on 09 December 2014 - 09:44 AM

How long do you have to see a player or team doing something before you put a label on them?

Like for example I've seen people call Franzen a 30 goal a year scorer even though he has done it once.

I'm just curious what peoples timelines are for putting a label on someone.

For me it's 2-3 years.

That's why I've personally given Weiss the injury prone tag cause that's how his last few years have been. But if he stays healthy for the rest of this year and next then I'll remove that injury prone label and pencil him in as a reliable second line player(hopefully center).

I only ask because people call me negative by using this method. But I feel that usin a 2-3 year rule is the best way to form an educated guess.

The last two years the wings finished 8th. So my educated guess was they'll finish in the 6th-10th range just because that's been the trend.

If Tatar scores 30 goals this year some people will consider that enough to label him a 30 goal a year guy? I want to see it for two years back to back or two out of three.

Some people jumped on the helm bandwagon last year when he scored at a higher rate than he ever did. I was called negative for saying that won't continue because of several years of stats showing that.

Would people consider nyquist and Tatar proven NHLers yet?


Weiss was injured for about as long as Brendan Smith was making boneheaded mistakes in the defensive zone (the lockout season and last season) and I didn't see you "labeling" Smith a turnover machine or f*** up.  Why?  Because you don't want to think that about Smith.  Just like you do want to think that about Weiss.  Because you'd rather be right than be accurate.  You can say "I've always said I want to be wrong about Weiss" but your entire body of work here on LGW suggests otherwise. 


Which, I suspect, is why people respond to you the way that they do.  I said the same thing you did about Helm's shooting percentage and wasn't called negative.  Again, why?  I'll tell you why.  Packaging.  If you don't want to be perceived as negative, then stop presenting your thoughts in a negative way.  If you don't care, then why make this thread?

#2554932 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 04:50 PM

I know he is really good. I was kidding lol.


Aha.  There I go taking life too seriously again. 

#2554925 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 04:15 PM


Taxes shmaxes. It will all trickle back down anyway... promise


I never trust a promise from the Red Menace.  I can spot a Chairman Mao sneak attack from a mile away.  Shame on you!

#2554891 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 02:13 PM


Better than your boy, Colton "I can't get out of the minors" Orr.  


My boy?  I have a long and very explicit hatred of fighting in hockey.  That's well established around here.  You're the one who loves fighting, but can't face up to the fact that Colton Orr consistently mashed McGrattan's face whenever they fought.  Which is precisely why I bring it up. 


I have a hard time figuring why you enjoy fighting so much, but then idolize the second best fighter of his era.  It's a little bit like if Scottie Pippen was your favorite Chicago Bull in the 90's. 

#2554885 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 02:09 PM


Maybe he'll know how to play defense by then  :ninja:


He's perfectly fine defensively.  He's no worse than any other puck moving d-man.  It's just a tag he got stuck with because he broke into the league when he was like 20, and wasn't great.  Since then he's played 20+ minutes a night, on a defense first team, with a defense first coach. 


It's just like how Franzen can have an almost identical ppg average year to year and be inconsistent, or how "Osgood lets in the occasional floater" 15 years after he let in the occasional floater.  It's just something people say because that's what other people say, and they said it because somebody else once said it too. 


If Yandle played here every single person on this forum would absolutely cream themselves.  He's REALLY good. 

#2554864 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 01:14 PM

He must have told Karlsson to block a shot or something.


There's some lines you just don't cross.  Karlsson has WAY too nice a flow to play defense.  I know it.  Ottawa knows it.  And now Paul MacLean knows it. 

#2554850 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:50 PM


What's wrong with being a communist?


Dear god no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#2554825 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:23 PM


People love Helm. Fans love Helm. I love Helm.


But I still agree with your logic. I'll even go further and make the radical statement that Sheahan is, in fact, a 2nd line center already. Mickey Redmond and I agree that he's that good. :lol:


But besides all that, and besides all Helm vs Boedker rhetoric, one important detail is getting over looked. Phoenix would probably want waaaaaaay more than Helm in that trade.


Which is why I originally asked "Helm plus what?".  Also, I don't know that it would be WAY more.  Boedker's a free agent at the end of the season and he's not a superstar.  They'd definitely want more, but how much more is debatable.  Helm plus a second would be a good starting proposal, and I'd possibly be willing to add one of the defense prospects (Jensen or Backman probably), if they really required it. 


Edit:  For context's sake, Tomas Vanek was traded a year ago at the deadline for a high prospect and a conditional second round pick.  We'd be giving Arizona a roster player (and they want centers) and a second.  It's in the ballpark. 

#2554821 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:14 PM

The issue isn't really that he had no clue who Mandela was.  While that is crazy to think, not totally unbelievable as a lot of these guys would have been totally focused on their crafts from a very young age...spending little to no time staying up on current events.


So, he'd get a pass from me for not knowing.  The issue I have is that he was attending a red carpet type event honoring an individual....you'd think he'd take a few minutes to understand the guy he was going to honor.  On top of that, he made it worse by trying to make something up to avoid embarrassment.


Right.  Did he not google Mandela on the way to the event? 


Ohhhhh, you know what it is.  He probably forgot to look it up, and couldn't on the way to the event because everbody knows that smart phones still don't exist in small provincial Canadian towns like Toronto. 

#2554819 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:07 PM

I'm not sure why anybody thinks it is dumb for a reporter to ask a hockey player about Nelson Mandela when said hockey player is attending a ceremony specifically to honor Nelson Mandela. 


If Justin Verlander attended Margret Thatcher commemoration night, and when asked said "Ms. Thatcher is the best player the WNBA has ever seen, and I loved watching her play when I was a kid", he would be a fool.  As is Bernier, clearly.

#2554817 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 11:52 AM


all that is true, but unless you are unloading a top 6 guy from our team (and I would gladly make that Franzen) he is essentially coming here to fill the role of Helm, in which he probably will not get the opportunity to score 50 points in the role Helm plays.  That is why I think is would be better just to stick with Helm.  But I get what you are saying, improve every spot bit by bit. If he has better hands than Helm then he is already a bit of an upgrade!


And you said it yourself, Helm plus what to get him.  I think if we are trading Helm +, it should be for a top minute defender, or at least someone better than Kindl and fils more of our needs.


Helm is playing top six winger minutes.  Boedker is a top six winger.  He plays the same style as Helm.  He's just better, younger, bigger, and more durable.  Why wouldn't he produce more? 


I could see your argument if I was suggesting we bring this kid on, reduce his ice time, and bury him on the third line.  But he'd be coming onto this team and playing with Datsyuk and Tatar (as things are currently).  That's an excellent recipe for offensive success. 


Think about this







The only thing Helm provides that Boedker doesn't is the ability to play center.  And given how old and injury prone Dats and Z are, that's valuable.  But I'm increasingly confident that Sheahan can play the second line center in case of injury, and obviously Weiss can do it as well if he keeps trending upward.


I'm not here to bash Helm.  He's really come along after a slow start.  But I like big, strong, fast, durable, defensively responsible players.  I like them even better when they're all that and 24 years old.  I'd always trade an extra center for a guy like that. 

#2554812 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 11:37 AM

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=0ZD3Xkp8tlA This was a thing of beauty!


Jesus Christ.  Don't ever move either of these two.  Ever. 

#2554051 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 December 2014 - 11:18 AM

Has anyone else noticed that whatever line Weiss is on is the line that's scoring?  He makes whatever line he's on a whole lot better.  If we can get those top two lines sorted out and give him the remainder of the season and playoffs on Sheahan's wing I think we'll be potent heading into the playoffs.