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#2639567 Bigger nets ?

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 03:51 PM

Again, it's more about scoring opportunities for me, not the final score. Obviously I was exaggerating a little with the 7-6 games, but I don't feel the need to make any changes to increase scoring. The problem isn't goals, it's the chances to score these goals. We still do see games with 7+ goals, and we STILL see games with only one goal. No matter what changes someone comes up with, teams will always adapt and adjust their game plan to win games. Don't increase the size of the nets, don't decrease the size of the goalie equipment, don't move the blue lines, there's no need to change anything in my opinion...

#2639560 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 03:03 PM

Xym, I agree with everything except I'd switch Larkin and Nyquist. I know people don't want to break up that top line, but I honestly don't think it's really that Zetterberg and Larkin have this great chemistry together, they're just that good. Zetterberg and Nyquist do have great chemistry together, and it seems like Nyquist is always at his best on Hank's line. And really, how can you go wrong with Pav and Larkin on the same line?... I completely agree with that third line of Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco, it was money in the past, no reason to think it wouldn't be again. I'm not in love with Pulkkinen, but there's no denying that he has been producing, so it is tough taking him out. But I don't know how he stays in unless he remains on that second line, you bump Richards down in Sheahan's spot and have a forth line of Sheahan - Helm - Glendening... Either way, a ton of depth, not the worst problem to have...

Helm does create a ton of opportunities for himself which is awesome, but what's the good when he rarely capitalizes on all these chances? Abdelkader had at least 5 breakaway opportunities last season and scored on all of them. For a while there it looked like he couldn't miss... There's no question in my mind that Abby is a better finisher, whether that be on a shot or banging in rebounds. I'm a huge fan of Helm, but I think he should remain in the bottom 6 for now, 4th line if it were up to me...

#2639550 Bigger nets ?

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 01:54 PM

I think for the most part, hockey fans in general don't give a s*** if it's a 2-1 game or a 7-6 game. What matters is quality scoring chances. A huge save is just as exciting as a goal in my opinion, and personally, I prefer the lower scoring game. More goal scoring means less excitement on each goal. If games are higher scoring, a 2 goal deficit doesn't mean as much, but with lower scoring, every goal has more of an impact on the game. That's my take. The game is fine, don't change a thing. You want high-flying offense? Follow junior hockey...

#2639548 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 01:30 PM

LeftWinger, I don't think you're wrong at all. Jurco is too good for the AHL, but he just hasn't quite figured out the NHL yet. But he's not going to do that by watching games up in the press box, and certainly not by only playing a game or two every five or ten. He needs to be a regular, and I hope he can bring enough to justify being in the lineup, in the top 9 every night. Jurco's potential far exceeds anything Pulkkinen has, hell I even still believe that Jurco's ceiling is higher than Tatar's, but he needs to show that can be a fixture in the top 9 first. The production will come, I'm not worried about that.

#2639376 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 08:51 PM

4-0 Griffins in the second. 2 goals for Jurco so far... Another hatty?

#2639325 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 07:37 PM

1-0 in the first... Guess who scored?...

#2639266 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 12:49 PM

It's going to be tough for him to crack that lineup for sure... This may not be popular with a lot of people but I'd bump Miller out. I know, it's not likely to happen but I wouldn't mind seeing something like this...


Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Nyquist

Larkin - Datsyuk - Pulkkinen

Tatar - Richards - Jurco

Sheahan - Glendening - Helm


I'm not anti-Miller by any stretch but he is very replaceable in the lineup and I'm hoping they lean toward not bringing him back after this season.\

He is one of our top penalty killers but plenty or guys can kill penalties. Glendening, Helm, Sheahan, Abdelkader, Richards, Larkin...

#2639236 Goalie Battle

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 07:28 AM

V.T.? Hmmm... Vesa Toskala? I doubt he'll be able to teach Mrazek a whole lot, unless it's learning how to let in shots from behind the oppositions goal line...


Or maybe you're talking about Vladislav Tretiak... Do you really think a 63 year old that hasn't played professionally in over 30 years would be able to teach Mrazek to play in today's game? I doubt he'd have a whole lot to offer to be honest... Jim Bedard seems to be doing just fine with Mrazek.

#2639234 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 07:12 AM

Dickie, here's a quote directly from Blashill... "It is ultimately being in elite shape so he can skate nonstop in a game. He is somebody who is going to be an effective player when he is able to go full-out at all times. That is what we have tried to work on with him."


Now, you can read that quote and think that he's not in "elite shape", doesn't "skate nonstop in games", or "go full-out at all times" because he's "lazy", or you can read that quote and think that maybe, just maybe, it has absolutely nothing to do with his work-ethic, and has everything to do with getting back into game shape after suffering a back injury that saw him miss time at the end of last season, bothered him through the offseason, and likely was still lingering through training camp and into this season...


Post #76 of this thread you said, "Speaking as someone who has back issues, they don't go away...", but yet you believe it is an "unwillingness to put forth necessary effort", not a nagging back injury?...


Jurco has an elite skillset, and from everything I've seen from him from his time in Saint John, to Grand Rapids, to Detroit he has shown great work-ethic and determination. He will be fine.

#2639176 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by krsmith17 on 24 November 2015 - 01:49 PM

Exactly Mckinley. I don't think anyone would complain too much if we had a 4th line of Helm - Sheahan - Glendening going forward, if it meant we had an extremely potent top 9 as well, but putting a top level prospect in that role now would be the Jurco situation all over again. Huge mistake...

#2639173 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by krsmith17 on 24 November 2015 - 01:19 PM

Those players you listed are top 9 forwards, not necessarily top 6. You only listed 10 players and Datsyuk and Svechnikov will never play on this team together, which would leave 9. I'm still not convinced Nosek will ever make it, but maybe he does as a third line center. You left out Abdelkader, Sheahan, Pulkkinen and Bertuzzi, I'm assuming because you see them all as bottom 6 guys? Either way, we have an abundance of top 9 forwards, so Holland is going to have to make some tough decisions over the season or two, and I hope he's working on some sort of trade to get rid of the log jam up front and bring in a young, top end defenseman... No more rentals...


I'm not okay with bringing in top prospects like Athanasiou or Mantha to play them on the 4th line, but I would be okay with bringing up Bertuzzi to play that role if we were in need. The thing is though, we really don't need another 4th line player, we just waived a very capable 4th line guy in Ferraro. This is not an area of weakness, it's never the reason we win or lose games, and Miller is doing an okay job for the time being. There is no need to ruin the development of a top prospect by sticking them on the 4th line. Have you not learned anything from the whole Jurco debacle?

#2639145 Byfuglien - What would he cost?

Posted by krsmith17 on 24 November 2015 - 09:36 AM

This is a Byfuglien thread but you certainly cannot be talking about Byff, if you're talking about them wanting Mrazek, Mantha or Svechnikov... Sure, they may want them, but realistically they know they'll never get that sort of return in a trade for a pending UFA... If Byfuglien is traded before the deadline, he will go for a roster player and a mid level prospect or pick. No one is giving up top players or top prospects for a guy that can bolt a few months later. So no, Winnipeg will not get a Mrazek type goaltender, nor will they get a Nyquist type player, or Mantha / Svechnikov type prospect... Not going to happen...

#2639005 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 November 2015 - 12:56 PM

I agree that the 4th line has looked somewhat dangerous with the addition of Helm, and I hope they keep him down there, his style of game suits that 4th line checking role perfectly. With the influx of talent we'll be getting over the next couple years, Helm should either be on the Red Wings as a 4th line, penalty killer or playing for another team (not re-sign or traded). I like Helm and I'd like to see him remain with the team, but not as a top 9 winger. Also, keeping him in that role for this season, would help keep his asking price down in the offseason...


As for Miller, he is a serviceable 4th liner, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if we let him walk after this season. There are other guys within the system that can play 4th line, kill penalties, block shots, are younger, faster, and would cost less...

#2638977 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 November 2015 - 10:47 AM

Frank, 4th line grinders are a dime a dozen, especially those that have yet to skate a single minute in an NHL game...


People really need to stop with this "work-ethic" bulls*** on Jurco. There is absolutely nothing that would indicate that he isn't willing to work hard. Blashill said he needs to be able to skate harder? Key word there is "able". I'm sure he is more than willing to put in the work, but his back really hasn't allowed him to work-out or play to his full potential this season, as well as the latter half of last season. Let's hope his back is healing and he can put all this behind him. The issues he's been having with his back, that is why he's struggled to get into games, that is why he was sent down on a conditioning stint, not because he has a "poor work ethic"... You cannot send a waiver eligible player down on a conditioning stint, to "get it together and get his work ethic going" or to work on "some flaws"...

#2638960 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 November 2015 - 07:00 AM

Great post PVD. That's precisely how I feel about the whole situation as well. Jurco was mishandled in that he was struggling to stay in the lineup in his sophomore season, and still being waiver exempt, he should have been sent down, but he wasn't. How anyone thinks that he was better served as a 12th/13th forward for the Wings rather than a top line forward for the Griffins is beyond me... But like you said, just because he was mishandled and has struggled to crack the lineup, doesn't mean he can't / won't overcome that. He definitely will, he's still very young.


At the very least, Jurco will be a very good 3rd line guy, though I still believe he has top line potential at the NHL level. But whether Jurco develops into that top line power-forward that we all want him to become, or he turns out to be that 3rd line forward that some seem to think he'll become, that's up to him, and he will get paid accordingly. There is one fact though, Jurco is much more valuable to the Red Wings going forward than he would be in a trade today. So people saying we should trade him or even worse, waive him :rolleyes: it's not going to happen, nor should it...