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#2566589 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 02:18 PM

gcom077, I agree. But the reason I believe in these kids, isn't because of highly touted they were on draft day, and not because we found some late round gems. Sure we have great scouts, but more than that, we know how to develop players. Not a single player is ever given anything, every inch has to be earned. That is why our young guys like Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, etc. are playing so well, and that is why I believe that guys like Mantha, Athanasiou, Sproul, etc. will be able to step in and make an impact right away. They're not being rushed into the NHL and they are learning how to do things the Red Wing way, down in Grand Rapids. I don't think our kids would be as good as they are today if they didn't spend so much time down in Grand Rapids rounding out their game. I also think Jurco may have been rushed in a little too soon, and his development has been stunted a little. I think he will be fine, but some more time with the Griffins could have done him some good.

#2566547 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 07:34 AM

There's no way we should trade either of these guys unless we're offered a trade that we cannot refuse, which won't happen. These guys aren't going anywhere and for good reason. They're two of our highest picks since Marty Lapointe, back in '91, both of these guys have future franchise player potential. Keep all of our young guys and prospects, stay the course, and we will once again be a annual Stanley Cup contender. Kenny has been patient with his players for his entire tenure, there's no reason to believe that would change. I don't think there's any chance he trades, Mantha, Larkin, Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Athanasiou, not at this point anyway. There value is only going to increase, so why not see what you have with these young guys before you decide which one's are keepers or which one(s) to ship out.

#2566157 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 02:25 PM

What is this fixation in pointing out that so and so didn't play in Europe so it's not the same situation?... The point is that every player develops at a different pace, some much later than others. To go along with the generalization that you're using in saying that he won't make it because so and so didn't make it taking the same route, you're now saying that European's in general don't want to play third pairing minutes in the NHL, and that they would rather be the go to guy in Europe?... Come on man, that's ridiculous. Who's to say that it wasn't Patrik Hersley's lifelong goal to one day play in the NHL? I'm not saying it was, but for you to say it wasn't, is way off base.


You're reaching here, and for what? Again, no one here is saying "We Need To Sign This Guy", "He Is For Sure The Real Deal". People (myself anyway) are just saying that it wouldn't be the worst idea to give him a look in the offseason. Really, what's the harm in inviting him to training camp and if he impresses, and he's willing, signing him to a two-way contract? None...

#2566136 LA puts Mike Richards on waivers

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 12:53 PM

How do you not see that Kip? Mike Richards is far superior to Tomas Jurco and Teemu Pulkkinen... Richards won a World Junior Gold, an Olympic Gold and two Stanley Cups... What the f*** have those two chumps done? And Danf****** Cleary and Johanf****** Franzen are awwwwful... :rolleyes:

#2566118 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 09:00 AM

I don't get why it's so hard to grasp the fact that every player develops at different rates. Some hone their skills at a very young age, others take a little longer to develop. Their are a lot of cases over the years where players didn't play their first game in the NHL until their late 20's, even into their mid to late 30's, believe it or not. number9, you pointed out that St. Louis didn't start his career until his mid 20's, and yet as an undersized player that was always told he was too small to make the NHL, he went on to be an All-Star, Hart winning player, who in all likelihood will be inducted into the Hockey Hall Of Fame. Is it really that hard to believe that a player who is 28 years old, has good size, is one of the top defenders in arguably the second best league in hockey, can be a serviceable player at the NHL level? I don't think anyone including Ekmanc was saying that he is going to come over and put up ridiculous numbers, making Wings fans say "Lidstrom who?", but it is possible he could become a decent 3rd pairing, power-play specialist.


In saying all that, I wouldn't mind giving him an invite to training camp this summer, but I wouldn't just hand him a contract based on his numbers over in Europe (KHL / SHL). We have a few talented guys that should make their way onto the big club in the next couple years, so I don't really see a fit, but it never hurts to give the guy a look.

#2565823 Time for Teemu?

Posted by krsmith17 on 24 January 2015 - 05:34 PM

Agreed kliq, although I think you mean Kevin Shattenkirk, not Keith... :tounge:

#2565766 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by krsmith17 on 24 January 2015 - 06:45 AM

frank, "Holland's job is to defend the trade as much as possible"? No, Holland's job is to make this team as competitive as he possibly can, every single year... That involves making trades to improve the team in the now, without mortgaging the future, keeping in mind the team 5 years from now. I'll admit, I was a little shocked by what we had to give up to get Legwand here for a few months, and I was a little disappointed at the time. However, if anyone thinks, that trade mortgaged the future, or even set us back, are not looking at things clearly. Jarnkrok is a pretty decent young player, and I think he still has the potential to be a 40-50 point guy in this league. But that's the type of production that can be replaced any year by a FREE agent... which in my opinion has already been done this past summer, with the signing of Tomas Nosek.


People really need to get over this minuscule botch on Holland's resume, it was one minor bad, not awful trade... Also, just because it doesn't matter to you, believe it or not, the streak is important to a lot of fans, and the entire organization, Holland did a great job in keeping that intact.

#2565727 Time for Teemu?

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 January 2015 - 05:58 PM

I really wish I could "quote"... Still have no idea why I can't...


Kip, you say "I won't be surprised if he's traded", and yes I did respond by saying, "he shouldn't be traded, he's going to be good", but I also say "there's no way he get's traded". It's not just about what I want or think should happen with this team, it's about what I truly believe Mr. Ken Holland will do.


You're absolutely right in that I like this team, and I like a lot of certain players. I guess a lot of that has to do with me watching a lot of them right from when they were drafted, in junior, making their way up to the minors, before eventually cracking the Red Wings lineup... you do tend to get attached to certain players, and I honestly think a similar thing happens with Holland... However, like almost any player, I'm not opposed to trading Pulkkinen at the right price and for the right return, I just don't see that happening...


There are not many guys in the entire league that can shoot the puck like Pulkkinen. I put him in the same category as guys like Ovechkin and Stamkos when it comes to his pure sniping ability. There are things he needs to work on for sure, like timing and what not, but his shot alone, not many compare. Bottom line, I just honestly, truly would be shocked if this guy is in any package deal at this years deadline, not because I like him, but because I think Holland and Babcock like him, and see the potential in him...


Jesusberg, if a trade is on the table and part of the package has to include one of Mantha, Larkin or Pulkkinen, I honestly think he says, thanks but no thanks. And I'd be happy with that assuming the player on the other end wasn't a superstar talent... I think it is more likely that Jurco gets offered in a trade before Pulkkinen, which I would also hate, because he's another guy that I'm really high on. I guess bottom line is, like Kip alluded to, I like our team, and even more so, I like our future team. Hold on to the kids and keep building. We will be a perennial contender and eventually win the Cup with the kids we currently have in the system, I have no doubt.


I completely agree with Buppy.

#2565674 Time for Teemu?

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 January 2015 - 11:06 AM

Again, we have other assets that could be used in a trade before Pulkkinen. He is far and away the purest goal scorer in the organization and he is right handed to boot. In my opinion, it would be very short sighted to trade him at this point. Sure, it is possible that he tops out as a third line winger / power-play specialist, but it also isn't out of the realm of possibility that he surpasses a guy like Tatar or even Nyquist on the depth chart in a few years. The kid has been a beast in every league he has played, no reason to think he can't be in the NHL as well...

#2565661 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 January 2015 - 08:18 AM

Which to me, is a good thing. Sure, I'd love to have Yandle, but not at the price it would likely take. And no to Myers, unless it's for Kindl and Andersson......


Let's face it, at times Holland's strategy has looked kinda bleak, but there is no question, the guy knows what he's doing. He is drafting well, developing prospects and once again building a contender, all while never missing the playoffs in 23 years... and counting. I don't think anyone should have any reason to question anything this man does. For every move he makes, there's a reason behind it, and that reason is to make the Detroit Red Wings a better team. He's making the right decisions for the team today, while concentrating on the team 5 years from now. Sure, it would be nice to see a trade from time to time, but the players us fans would want traded (Kindl / Andersson) there isn't much of a market for. The young talent that we have grown to love, probably would have been traded years ago for a quick fix, by most any other GM. Hands down the best general manager in the league today, and quite possibly in the history of the league...

#2565628 Time for Teemu?

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 January 2015 - 09:24 PM

I don't see why one would think this guy would get traded... I'd say there is about a 0.01% chance he gets traded. Why would Holland trade away the player with two of the main attributes he's been looking for in a player in the past decade... Right-handed / Sniper. The kid is here to stay, he will be fine, he will work out the kinks in his game down in Grand Rapids, and he will come back hungrier, stronger, and a much better all around player...

#2564838 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by krsmith17 on 20 January 2015 - 09:31 AM

I agree with all of that, but also, if Petry were to come to Detroit, chances are he would be on our second, if not our third pairing, while still getting his power-play time. Maybe his point totals decrease with the decreased ice time, or maybe they increase with the better power-play... Who knows right? But to trade a 25 year old Smith plus other assets for Petry would be a HUGE mistake in my opinion. I'm just thankful Holland doesn't have the quick trigger finger that most on here have. And I'm confident that Smith isn't going anywhere unless it's for a significant upgrade.

#2564832 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by krsmith17 on 20 January 2015 - 09:06 AM

Wow people are really reaching for this Smith is useless bulls***... First of all Brendan Smith is just as good as Jeff Petry right now, and he has a lot higher ceiling... and you're suggesting trading Smith AND a mid level prospect AND a pick for Petry? Are you kidding me? The blind hate on Smith is getting beyond ridiculous... Petry will go for a couple picks and you want to throw all that in for him?...


Petry is getting top line minutes in Edmonton, while Smith is getting third line minutes in Detroit, and yet he still isn't producing a significant amount more than Smith. Petry is producing at a 0.22% points per game pace, while Smith is producing at a 0.17% points per game pace. Not a huge difference for a player making over double the salary... Petry has also played an additional 36 minutes more on the power-play than Smith has this season. With those kinds of minutes on the man advantage, you would think he would be producing a LOT more, he is not at all. Let's have a look at their career points shall we? Believe it or not, Smith is actually producing at a slightly higher clip than Petry... Smith has 41 points in 160 games (0.256%) while Petry has 69 points in 281 games (0.245%).


You blame Smith for being a turnover machine, but Petry has over double the number of giveaways as Smith but he also has twice as many takeaways... Petry may be a little better defensively, hitting more and blocking more shots, but that stat is almost as skewed as the +/- stat, which Smith is obviously superior, playing for a better team, Smith is even and Petry is a -21. The only upside Petry has over Smith in my opinion, is that he is a right handed shot. Is that reason enough to make the trade? Hell no!

#2564793 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by krsmith17 on 19 January 2015 - 07:03 PM

Kip, it fits your argument this time does it? You're really going to say that Babcock always gives his players appropriate ice time? He never demotes players for absolutely no explainable reason? Seriously? What about Weiss? Smith has proved time and time again that he deserves more minutes, he deserves to be on the second line, he deserves to be on the second power-play unit. But he is not. Why? Because... Mike Babcock...


Yes, all players should produce more when playing with better players and in situations to their strengths, and Smith has produced in these situations, but yet, he's still not getting permanent duty.


And yes, when Kronwall screws up, most of the time it does go unnoticed by fans, or at least not endlessly bitched about, whereas if Smith screws up, you never hear the end of it. I'm not blind to Smith's screw ups. I see when he screws up, but I see a lot more good that he's doing out there than bad, and that scale is being tipped more and more each and every game. He is improving immensely whether you want to see it or not...

#2564751 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by krsmith17 on 19 January 2015 - 02:30 PM

There is no specific number of games that every individual should get. And yes, I agree that a player drafted later should get more time to develop, but Ericsson is long past the development process, and he has been much worse than Smith the first half of this season, but yet, for some unexplained reason, he gets a pass but Smith does not. Smith is still improving, and I see improvements in his game all the time. Just because you refuse to see it, doesn't mean it's not happening... Brendan Smith today is night and day compared to Brendan Smith one year ago.


Another thing, Smith isn't exactly getting the minutes or the linemates he needs to put up huge points. He looked great with both Kronwall and DeKeyser and I think if he were ever put back with DeKeyser on the second pair, we'd see a huge difference in his point totals. Do you think it's any coincidence that Quincey is starting to produce being paired with DeKeyser? I sure don't... Smith is now paired with Ouellet, and no matter how great LGW see Xavier, he is still just a rookie. I'm sure Smith plays a lot more tentative with Ouellet than he would with DeKeyser. Either way, he is playing bottom pairing and he is playing quite good in my opinion. Give him a better partner and more minutes and he will play better.

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