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#2578026 Pulkkinen sent back to GR

Posted by Buppy on Yesterday, 03:55 PM

 

Fair enough.  I'll concede.  He needs to work on getting off better shots, as the blocks and missing attest.  Not necessarily quicker shots. 

To clarify, he's not actually missing the net unusually often. ~22% of shot attempts, which is not out of line with other goal scorers. The low shooting% is factoring only shots that are actually on net. So he's having a slightly high % of shots saved, rather than missing.

 

And also remember it's a small sample size, thus easily skewed. He's had two shots that he put basically right through the goalie, but just didn't bounce quite the right way to make it into the net. Hit a post at least once too. A little more luck and one of those goes in, it bumps his shooting% from 7.5 to 11. It's not like he's shooting 2% for half a year. There isn't really enough readily available information to say his shot selection is particularly poor. Thoguh of course that doesn't mean he can't still work on it. 

 

And I don't think anyone has suggested that Pulkkinen should stay in the lineup, but I don't think he's being sent down because of a lack of production. He was an injury replacement, and now we have someone who should be able to fill that role better. But at some point, you have to put guys in situations where they can grow, even if you might have a better option for the short term. I wouldn't object to going with Pulkkinen over Weiss, even though it makes us a bit worse atm, it may pay off down the road. But I also don't have any problem with him waiting for next season.




#2578028 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by F.Michael on Yesterday, 04:23 PM

That's the issue. I think Jurco has much better offensive instincts than Abdelkader, I think he has much more raw skill than Abdelkader. Abdelkader has much better numbers because he has been given ample opportunity to succeed. Jurco started in a scoring role and he still gets the occasional look, but what does it do to a player to keep getting demoted every time you go a few games without producing? Abdelkader can and has gone 10+ games without a goal but he remains in the top 6, Jurco doesn't get that same benefit. Confidence is huge in hockey and Jurco simply doesn't have it recently. The only way he gets that back is in a scoring role in Detroit or Grand Rapids.

Keep in mind that this is just my humble opinion.....This is where coaching, and Babs  'gut instinct' I think plays a key role.

 

Abby has been given ample opportunity, and for the most part he's proven serviceable no matter what line he's on.

 

Jurco on the other hand has the '1 trick pony' moniker, and is more of an offensive minded player, but yet doesn't have Babs confidence.

 

Yeah - I agree Jurco has more upside, but until he's on a scoring tear - he won't get the ice time on the top 2 lines that Abby sees.

 

If it were down to 'experience' alone - then we'd see Cleary getting more ice time than Abby, and Jurco combined :lol:




#2577998 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on Yesterday, 02:21 PM

As we expected:

 

Matt Dery @dery1051 3m3 minutes ago

I asked Ken Holland about teams calling about Mantha at trade deadline. I asked if he hangs up on those GM's. He joked "Yeah basically".

 

I love it... Suck it Nonis ha
 
 



#2577996 What's with the "giving players hamster names" obsession?

Posted by amato on Yesterday, 02:13 PM

Agreed it's just a hockey thing. Mostly a teammate to teammate kind of thing.. People posting online hear short nicknames in interviews sometimes so they repeat them.

And, like all things on the internet, some people get carried away.


#2577959 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by amato on Yesterday, 12:48 PM

Ah gotcha. Yea shuffling lines with two new guys is to be expected. Especially when you don't lose any roster players.

I was just joking around about how Babcock seems to like shuffling lines quickly and often.. while also referencing himym a little :P


#2577953 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 12:30 PM

According to LeBrun Leafs wanted Mantha and a pick so yeah that's a no go if they don't come down on their asking price Phaneuf will not be a Wing.

1 2016, Jurco and Marchenko would have been my offer if they were willing to retain salary.

They weren't, and Phaneuf is in no way a $7 mil player. Any GM who takes that contract without trading an equally bad one is dumb


#2577951 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by UpstateNYRedWingsFan on Yesterday, 12:25 PM

Interesting lines from practice:
 

Lines: Jurco-Datsyuk-Tatar Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Cole Weiss-Sheahan-Nyquist Miller-Andersson-Glendening Cleary rotating in.

 

Ddn't expect to see Abby and Cole on the same line. I could see Jurco switching lines with Abby or Cole mid game tommorrow if they haven't generated much offense




#2577937 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Jesusberg on Yesterday, 12:08 PM

Interesting lines from practice:
 

Lines: Jurco-Datsyuk-Tatar Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Cole Weiss-Sheahan-Nyquist Miller-Andersson-Glendening Cleary rotating in.




#2577936 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by rick zombo on Yesterday, 12:07 PM

Well, you dweebs will be happy to know that someone thinks Abby and Jurco should both be on the third line :lol:

 

http://www.wingingit...efense-pairings

 

 

Pavel Datsyuk- Tomas Tatar - Darren Helm
Henrik Zetterberg - Erik Cole - Gustav Nyquist
Riley Sheahan - Tomas Jurco - Justin Abdelkader
Luke Glendening - Stephen Weiss - Drew Miller



#2577933 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 12:01 PM

Marchenko is at best their 7th best d-man. He will sit when everyone is healthy. His shooting hand doesn't trump ability.


#2577930 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by amato on Yesterday, 11:55 AM

ahhh, the internet.... such a great place  :bye:




#2577895 Official 2015 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on Yesterday, 09:44 AM

I think it's only a matter of time before Jurco takes his game to another level.

 

Now, will that be this season? Hopefully, maybe, we can hope.

 

He's still only 22 and going off his body of work he projects as a top 6 player.

 

They'll continue to give him some opportunities just like they'll probably continue to give Pulkkinen, Marchenko and Ouellet more opportunities.  Because that's how players grow.




#2577856 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by DickieDunn on Yesterday, 12:21 AM

When everyone is healthy there is no way Marchenko plays over anyone. Nor should he.


#2577860 Pulkkinen sent back to GR

Posted by Buppy on Yesterday, 01:07 AM

I think some people just quote things straight from a cliche book. Say what they think seems like it should be true rather than doing any actual analysis.

 

He has the best shots/60 on the team, 10th best among all forwards in the league in fact (and 4th best 5v5 ZS adj.). The % of his shot attempts blocked is a little on the high side, but not terribly so (and having a shot blocked does not necessarily mean he didn't get it off quick enough). He's not really missing an unusual amount of shots either, so I'd say his aim is fine. The low shooting% is probably from poor shot quality (I would guess Babs has told him to just shoot the puck whenever he can). He's also had a few shots that have gotten past the goalie but just didn't quite make it in. The stats could be skewed by the small sample size, but that goes for the negative ones as well.

 

He doesn't need to work on getting his shot off.

 

Biggest need for him to work on from what I've seen is working with his teammates. Seems often to be unprepared when the puck gets to him, especially on the PP. Needs to work on beating NHL caliber players too. Unfortunately, he can't do either that well in the AHL and we have better options now. But at least he gets to be a major player in GR, and hopefully have a nice playoff run. Next year will be his opportunity to take his game up a notch.




#2577612 Is East just as good or better than West this year?

Posted by toby91_ca on 02 March 2015 - 01:58 PM

Wings are 16-3-3 against the West, Rangers are 13-3-5 and Pens are 12-4-2.