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#2510148 ECQF - Series C - Penguins versus Blue Jackets

Posted by toby91_ca on Yesterday, 07:58 AM

It is typical of around here....complain about reffing....non-stop, even when the Wings aren't playing.  It does get pretty tiresome.


I'll admit to not watching most of the game last night, but from what I saw, CBJ got away with taking a ton of liberties, there was definitely no favouritism going the Pens way from the little that I saw.


From a pure stats perspective, CBJ took a grand total of 3 penalties during the game (yup, gotta be a conspiracy here).  Pens took 4 penalties by the way, theirs were all well deserved of course.


Can we be a bit more original around here (at least when the Wings aren't playing against them?)

#2509529 Poll: Who was the Wings regular season MVP

Posted by Dabura on 14 April 2014 - 11:00 AM

I was really tempted to go with Nyquist (duh) or Zetterberg (duh). But, ultimately, it has to be Kronwall. I don't see how it could be anyone else. He plays the most minutes. He gets the toughest assignments. He's used in all situations. He's first or second on the team in points while being far and away our best, most valuable defenseman and the reason our blue line isn't among the worst in the league. He became The Leader in Z's absence. He only missed a few games. He's adjusted and elevated his game. Through all the ups and downs and injuries and changes, he's been the one great constant.

#2507579 bashing skid the kid

Posted by Playmaker on 09 April 2014 - 05:32 AM

Meh.  You could probably do a video like that with 90% of the players in the league.  Certainly not a fan, but wishing injury on a guy is really over the top. Plus, you have to consider he came into the league as an 18 year old with all the pressure in the world. I think he's toned it down a lot in recent years. I don't like him because he plays on a rival for the Wings.  But I'd take him on the Wings in a heartbeat.

#2502762 3/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 at Maple Leafs 2

Posted by FlashyG on 29 March 2014 - 03:50 AM

I'm working through the night and I got bored.


This was the result.



#2501741 Weiss - who would take him next season and does he have a full NTC

Posted by Dave on 27 March 2014 - 12:38 PM

Hmmmm, never really gave the thought of Weiss playing wing...that could work out wonderfully.  BOTH Jurco and Glendening have exemptions remaining to cover next season, so much like Nyke this season, they can start the year in GR without the chance of losing them, thus opening up two roster spots up front...lets look at this:


I hate Franzen anyway, and I especially hate him on the top line.  Nyke should be there and that is where I am starting him.


Nyke - Dats - Z

Weiss - Leggy - Alfie

Fish - Tinky - Abby

Franzine - Barbie - Miller

(Andy - Ferraro - Dirty Harry)


Kronner - Big E

Smitty - UFA (Morris)

Diesel - UFA (Mitchell)



Ugh (Howard)



That's 24 players with Glenny and Jurx stating GR.  Trading Kindl (no so) Fire and Almost Almqvist for a couple of picks.  If you feel the pinch of a lower cap, then Andy can be packaged as well, or maybe sign bit cheaper D-man instead of one of Mitchell or Morris. Unless you'd want to roll the dice on Marchenko and only sign Morris.


I know this is a Weiss thread, and I really didn't mean to respond with a roster of possible next season ufa's, but the idea of Weiss playing wing lead me to where I may be able to put others...sorry.


Those are the worst, most forced nicknames I've ever seen. Seriously....please just type their names out.

#2499369 Around The League - Eastern Conference Playoff Race

Posted by marcaractac on 22 March 2014 - 07:42 PM

there's still like 10 games remaining and I don't think we're going to win them all. Just focus on securing a playoff spot first.


10 for them, 12 for us

#2499365 Around The League - Eastern Conference Playoff Race

Posted by marcaractac on 22 March 2014 - 07:35 PM

The ACC is so much louder in the preseason lol


Njd are 6 points back, I'd rather them win before a team with 1 point more then us.


And because of this, I'd like Toronto to win in regulation tonight. Give us a chance to leapfrog both the Leafs and Habs if we keep winning.

#2497932 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by dirtydangles on 20 March 2014 - 08:23 PM

I don't want to let Legwand walk considering we have sunk Jarnkrok into acquiring him.








Trade Andersson, Buyout Tootoo

Following year we bring up Jurco full time in place of Alfie. Leave Mantha for a season or two in GR then move someone to make room.


That leaves GR with top prospects like Pulkkinen, Jurco, Mantha, AA and the cupboard doesn't look so bare.

#2486798 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 26 February 2014 - 11:44 AM

@AnsarKhanMLive: Holland said he will not sell at the trade deadline. Would like to make a hockey trade if possible. Trade that helps now and in future.

@AnsarKhanMLive: Holland won't trade a top prospect for a rental he said.

#2486756 Injury Updates

Posted by Buppy on 26 February 2014 - 04:00 AM

Buppy, now whop is cherry picking? have you ever read anything about Weiss's career? he is always hurt. basically every season he is hurt. Just in case you haven't followed, here are the highlights:

2002/02-His first full season. Plays 77 games-has a broken toe

2003/04-plauys 50 games-broken leg and sprained knee


2005/06-plays 41 games-major wrist injury

2006/07-plays in 74 games-knee and shoulder injuries

2007/08-plays in 74 games-shoulder injuries again

2008/09-plays 78 games-groin injury-best season to date

2009/10-plays 80 games and is largely healthy all year

2010/11-plays 76 games-only minor injuries but numbers drop-49 points

2011/12-playus 80 games-no major injuries

2012/13-plays 17 games-major wrist injury

2013/14-played 26 games-hernia surgey, missed 32 games so far


Now I ask you, who is Weiss? is it more likely he is the guy that gets hurt in 6 of his 11 seasons or the guy that remains healthy for 5 of the 11 seasons? He is also 31 soon-in April. We signed a guy to a long term deal for good money that 1. can't stay healthy overall and 2. His best days are already behind him. That means 1 thing: Bad deal.

74 or more games in 7 out of 10 years prior to signing here. He also played in the AHL during the lockout. 80 games. 8 out of 11. 62 and 64 (out of 68) games his first two years in the OHL. 53 total games 01-02, not sure how many he might have missed from injury, since he was on the Florida roster for part of the year then went back to junior, but I'll still say he could have played 68. He's played 72 out of 73 playoff games his teams have played. All told that's 988 out of 1140 possible games. ~87%, 10 of 13 years being better than that, and one more year being unsure but maybe lower.


Typically, around half the league misses 8 or more games every year. In 11-12, there were around 8300 man-games lost to injury (out of 44280). Almost 19%. Average of about 13 games lost for each of the 620 regular roster players. Injuries happen, and happen to most players at some point. Minor injuries happen to most players every year.


But even if you do assume he will miss time, you should still assume he would put up decent numbers...since he has done exactly that over his career. The least we should expect is 14-15 goals, 40-ish points. Maybe not great for almost $5M, but his recent history does suggest he should be better than that, at least in the short term.


If you don't like Weiss, fine, just say that. Stop acting like there's some statistical evidence that proves he was going to suffer a major injury this season, or will in the future, or that his production would decline dramatically.

#2464000 Kindl

Posted by kipwinger on 13 December 2013 - 09:18 AM

I agree he's not as good as last year, but when you've already got that opinion of a guy you're looking for every little thing he does wrong.  And when it's a third pairing defenseman, there's a lot of ammo. 


Example:  It was either last game, or two games ago that Datsyuk got completely undressed along the goal line for a goal.  Not a single mention of it in the GDT.  Why?  It doesn't happen often, and nobody scrutinizes Datsyuk.  It's easier to keep banging away on something Kindl or Quincey does. 


Another Example:  Mr. streaky and inconsistent Johan Franzen had shorter goal scoring droughts last year than Datsyuk or Zetterberg.  Any mention at the time of them disappearing from the score sheet?  Nope.  Franzen gets that title hung from his neck.  Why?  Because he's already got the inconsistent tag.


In conclusion, Kindl isn't very good defensively.  He's not supposed to be.  He's a third pairing guy who's an offensive d-man and is on track to score around 30 pts. this year.  He's doing his job.  We're not losing games because of Kindl.

#2421191 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Z and D for the C on 21 June 2013 - 10:59 AM

Filppula is not worth $5m, plain and simple. I don't think he's even worth $4m. You say Filppula contributes a lot; I disagree. I think he is far from an impact player, and he's invisible when he isn't producing. He fit best as a third-line center, and he wants to be paid like a first-line center.

So you're just refusing to address any of the arguments I make, and then just rehash what everyone already thinks anyway?

I don't want to pay him even $5m right now either because we can't know what player is going to show up. But if he is scoring 60-70 points, yeah, he's worth $5m. You can't tell me he's not. Filppula was 12th in even strength scoring in 11-12 (ahead of Datsyuk and Zetterberg) despite playing far less at even strength than anyone who scored as much as him at even strength and is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. If you told a GMs a player was going to have those kind of stats next year, he'd get 6 or 7 million. This is why I'd like to see him get a 2 year contract for around what me makes now to see if he can play at that level. If not, sign him for cheap or let him walk.

because he tries to pass the puck on a breakaway.

I'll paypal you $20 right now if you can find a video of one time he was on a breakaway and passed the puck.

And 66 points is a lot of points for someone who literally kills offense.

He failed because he's a worse version of everything we already have

So should our team only be Datsyuk and Zetterberg because everyone else is just a worse version of them (a hockey player)?

#2421150 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Z and D for the C on 21 June 2013 - 12:54 AM

Sorry, are we talking about Filppula here? You know, the guy who has only averaged more than .5ppg once in his career, who is prone to brutal fits of inconsistency, who lacks any sort of physicality, who is invisible when he isn't scoring, and who, in general, has simply not panned out as the player he was expected to be? On no planet does Filppula's play merit a salary of $5m. And he is by absolutely no means one of the best players on the team.

We have to be watching different games. Apart from Pav or Z, who is better than Flip on forward? Cleary got points this playoffs a lot from pucks bouncing off him and Franzen is a lazy POS who only scores goals when other players get him a spectacular scoring chance. Fil has tons more skill than Cleary and tons more work ethic than Franzen. He is an incredible puck possession player, usually wins battles along the boards with his finesse and is excellent (maybe best on the team) at skating the puck through the neutral zone and setting up in the offensive zone. Not to mention always back checking and being great on defense. You can't say anything of these things about Cleary or Franzen.

If you rate players but outcome versus expectation (which is what you;re doing), yeah, he's not going to be near the top. But if you rate players on what they actually do, he's the best forward on the team not named Zetterberg or Datsyuk.

It's just like Hossa's playoff run with us. The way people talked about it you would think he had 3 points in 30 games, when in reality he was still one of our top scorers, he just didn't play as well as we thought he would. That doesn't mean he sucks.

And just for the record, I don't think we should give him over $4m long term at least until he can prove that he is the 70 points Filppula, not the 40 point Filppula. I'm just saying he's a better overall player than both Franzen and Cleary.

#2421171 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by rick zombo on 21 June 2013 - 07:59 AM

Filpulla is asking for too much.


But unless Holland has plans to truly upgrade his top six (read: Horton, Clarkson) you have to think that Detroit with Filpulla is better than Detroit with Samuelson.


That's the only frustrating thing.


Sammy @ 3M

Tootoo @ 1.9M

Quincey @ 3.5M


These are all bad contracts $-wise. OK term-wise.


I guess what I'm saying is that I think 4M for Filpulla is fair (but pushing it a little). I also think 3M for Brunner is perhaps fair.


It kills me to think that both of these guys could walk over a 0.5 - 1.5M  difference in asking vs offering when Kenny has overpaid for at least three players that the team doesn't really need (not that I have any huge issue with Tootoo, Sammy, or Quincey).

#2417108 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by stillwater on 02 June 2013 - 02:58 PM


Last three seasons:


 Franzen lazy and bored floats air biscuits towards the net, shows up 25% of the season. Burrows gives 100% and actually tries to make plays....


So you'd prefer a guy who "tries to make plays" but succeeds less than the guy who is perceived to not be trying?


Those 25% and 100% ... is there any way to substantiate that, or is that just your perception?


I'll take the guy who puts up the numbers, you can have the guy who tries really, really hard ... perhaps someday the NHL will give out Participation Trophies and Burrows will get recognized for all that production while playing with, not one, but two of the NHL's perennial high scorers.