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#2609735 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by marcaractac on Today, 02:48 PM

At this point, it doesn't even matter why he left. We had him as our fav teams coach for 10 years. He left on good terms. There are no hard feelings on either end with the exception of some bitter fans. 




#2609669 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 11:20 AM

Here's the tearful final presser 

 

 

Class act to the end. I didn't have hard feelings before, all the more so now. Best of luck to him moving forward when he's not playing us.




#2609663 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by LeftWinger on Today, 11:08 AM

Hopefully the first time TO is in Detroit, the organization puts together a nice presentation for him, so the fans can cheer and say goodbye.  Maybe just his picture on the scoreboard and announcer saying that the fans and team would like to thank him for 10 years of great hockey!  Crowd erupts, Babcock cries, then Mrazek shut's out the leafs....perfect night.




#2609662 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by RedWingsRox on Today, 11:04 AM

Here's the tearful final presser 

 




#2609734 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by marcaractac on Today, 02:46 PM

Assistant to head minor leaguer to head NHLer, and went to the finals in the AHL

Similar

So what makes good coach is a good team???

Like I said. He has zero experience as an NHL head coach. His only plus is a small familiarity with the roster.

That's not much

 

Good coaches and good teams make each other better. 

 

If a coach had to have NHL experience to get a NHL coaching job, the league would run out of coaches. Your logic makes zero sense. The only thing I can figure at this point is that you are trolling. 




#2609731 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by darkmanx on Today, 02:25 PM

 
Oh really?
 
Funny how his Wiki page has no success or coaching experience compared to Blashill.
 
This is his coaching Experience:
 
 
 
That's all

Assistant to head minor leaguer to head NHLer, and went to the finals in the AHL
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So did Babcock's. Also, Eakins was thrown into the dumpster fire that has been the Edmonton Oilers. The problems with that team were far deeper than coaching. 

So what makes good coach is a good team???
Looks similar to Dallas Eakins old resume
 
Eakins coached NHL players he groomed in the AHL? Eakins Associate Coached the Oilers prior to that? Eakins was groomed within a program with  tradition that has a 24 year legacy of winning?

Like I said. He has zero experience as an NHL head coach. His only plus is a small familiarity with the roster.
That's not much


Read my earlier post.

The resumes thus far are not even close. Blashill had put in his time and accomplished more right off that bat.


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#2609716 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by darkmanx on Today, 01:43 PM

Jon Cooper inherited a star studded team too

Basically Blashhills credentials are: familiarity with some of the roster

 

He was won at every level he coached at.

 

2008 Clark Cup Champion

2010 Blashill led WMU to a top-four finish in the CCHA; best year for WMU in 15 years.

2011 USCHO Coach of the year

2013 Calder Cup Champion

2014 AHL Coach of the year.

 

But he can only coach kids fed to him.




#2609694 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by RedWingsRox on Today, 12:11 PM

OK ... I think it's been over analyzed.  Who the hell cares anymore where Mrs. Babcock and the kids wants to live and how big of a factor it was in deciding.   Ready to lock this thread up and move on.  I doubt anyone can add anything insightful to the fact that Babcock has chosen the Leafs.  




#2609680 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on Today, 11:37 AM

The Leafs offered him $50,000,000 --and-- Red Wings offered him $20,000,000.

 

If I hear another thing about Shanahan's "persuasiveness" or ability to sign the "big whale" - I'm going to absolutely... do nothing different because this is the exact same thing I hear everyday in the ridiculous market.

 

It sounds like term was a big deal too.  Holland offered him 5 years, which honestly is a lot for a coach who's already been there 10 years.  I don't fault Kenny for not offering longer at all and have to wonder if even that was a bit long. 

 

But Babcock is 52.  He just signed a contract that will guarantee his employment until he's 60 years old and for much better money.   He faces a massive challenge in Toronto but it sounds like that's what he wanted. 

 

Honestly this feels kind of like when Shanny moved on.  The team could still use him but mostly likely will be fine without him and it will hopefully help trigger a new era for the Red Wings.  




#2609660 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by marcaractac on Today, 11:00 AM

Blashill has never coached in the NHL before and had success in the AHL because he was spoon fed great prospects by Holland

 

Like Babs just said today. As a coach, you still need great players and great leadership to win. A great coach will have his team playing at their potential or above all year long. Blash to this point has done that. 




#2609648 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by marcaractac on Today, 10:47 AM

Same here but also if the Wings are going - and it looks like it - to hire him it will be interesting. According to some it should be easy to replace Babcock and I can't wait to see it unfold :) personally I think it will be as easy as replacing Godström or to a lesser degree Marian Hossa.

 

There will likely be growing pains with a rookie NHL coach, no doubt. But Blash is the only right option. Any other coach available is a downgrade behind the bench right off the bat. Blash has all the tools to become a great coach in the NHL, and he knows he will have a lot to prove. I have no doubt he will be up for the challenge.  

 

Going with Blash is not at all a big risk, yet still has a potential very high reward. There is no point in going with a guy like Hitchcock, when he has a reputation for his players tuning him out after a couple years, all while losing Blash to another team in the process. Blash is a guy who has been working his way through the system along with the youth in the organization. To not go with him would be idiotic. To not go with him IMO would also mean we need a new GM. 




#2609638 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 10:08 AM

This. x1,000,000,000. 

 

I asked earlier in this thread, "How did Blash use Weiss in his conditioning stints with GR?"

I wonder solely because, maybe Weiss gets a chance under Blash the way he didn't with Babcock...

I mean, the guy did have some bright spots, some glimpses of his former self, and they were quickly buried*

 

*Maybe deservedly. I don't really remember exactly how it all went down, but I have hopes for the guy. 

I hope he gets another chance and I hope he can show he's still a capable second line center. 

I'm not saying HE IS.  I'm saying I hope he gets another chance at it and somehow pulls it off.

 

I tend to hope he might get a chance and find a place here still as well, but I wouldn't be shocked if they ship him out this summer if at all possible. As I think I said before, if he was benched as long as he was, as often as he was, and in the playoffs, clearly Babcock wasn't the only one in the organization who had lost faith in him. Babcock didn't make decisions by himself, and wasn't it said that Holland was trying to move him at the deadline? I think if Holland has the opportunity to move him this summer, he will. Whether he has anything left in him at this point remains to be seen, but it's hard to imagine the Wings taking that gamble again next year if they can find a way to not have to.


I am very excited to see what Blashill can do with this team. But what I am most excited about is there are no guarantees where players will line up on the roster... Will Ericsson remain on the top pair? Will Smith get a look on the power-play? Will Weiss have a chance at the 2nd line center spot? Will Jurco be in the top 6(9)? Will Pulkkinen be utilized better in the offensive zone (left side faceoff circle), Will Abdelkader / Helm remain in the top 6 (not necessarily saying they shouldn't...)? Will Ferraro / Callahan get a look on the 4th line? A lot of question marks... Going to be an exciting training camp. Can't wait!!!

 

This, but I really, really, really hope Holland does something on defense this summer so the idea of E on the top pairing isn't even a possibility. We're not going to land a top guy, but I have to hope we can land someone better than E...

 

And as much as I don't like E, I'd be more tolerant of him if he were in a different role on this team.

 

Smith is definitely going to get a look on the power play. He's had issues, sure, but he's still young. No way his time will run out here before he gets more opportunities.




#2609627 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 09:23 AM

 

If that were the case then Toronto wouldn't have had to so massively overpay him for the pleasure.  Hell, they could have offered roughly the same money as Detroit and been confident he'd come to Toronto because they could offer him all the "intangible" things Detroit coudn't.  They could have offered him immortality.  Legacy.  Prestige.  Greatness. 

 

But it wasn't about any of that.  They had to massively outbid everybody because otherwise Babcock wouldn't have gone there.  They didn't give him that money out of the kindness of their hearts, and he didn't ask for it just for s***s and giggles. 

 

It wasn't about winning, or family, or anything else.  Eventually, as these things often do, it all came down to cash.  Lidstrom stayed with the Wings for less.  So did Datsyuk.  And Zetterberg.  And Kronwall.  Because they wanted to win here.

 

Babcock didn't. 

 

Sure, it was about cash. If you get offered a deal like that, it obviously becomes about cash. But Buffalo had a similar deal on the table as well, and it's been said that the figure Babcock signed for is the figure that was first presented. They're desperate teams who have to make desperate offers to get his attention. If he wasn't in it on some level for the challenge, and honestly an unparalleled challenge at that, he could've gone to Buffalo and gotten paid the same, and most likely been able to get to winning quicker with a lot less pain from the media and fans. But he chose Toronto, I believe because there's no other opportunity like it in hockey, and because by all appearances, they seem to be making a commitment to rebuilding the team the right way at last. And yes, because of the cash. And the length of the contract. Even Holland mentioned a sticking point with the Wings was how long they were willing to go.

 

And let's go there for a second. Babcock has been here ten years now. If he had signed even the 4-year deal and lasted the length of it, he'd have the second longest tenure in NHL history for a head coach at 14 years. Jack Adams had the longest at 20 between 1927-1947. There are a handful of guys who did 13 years, though no one has done a single term that long in almost 20 years. Simply put, it's hardly unusual for coaches to jump to new teams. Whether as much cash was on the table or not, there's a much higher likelihood than not that Babcock would've moved on now or at some point in the near future. It's the nature of the position, and it's why I don't think it's fair or accurate to say this is only about cash.

 

Babcock knew his time was going to be coming to an end here soon enough, and he was at a noteworthy milestone, not just in his career, but in his family life. If ever there was a time to make a change, it's now. When you get offered a deal like he was offered, that obviously is going to help motivate you to make said change. When it's an opportunity to help rebuild a legendary team with management that finally seems committed to doing it right, that's obviously going to be exciting to him. Was the cash a part of it? Absolutely. But to suggest that his decision was solely about the cash is utterly and completely simplistic.




#2609621 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by WingedWheel91 on Today, 09:01 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mike Babcock is a good coach who just joined the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

And so were Pat Quinn. Ron Wilson, and Randy Carlyle before him. To say he's a great coach is a stretch, but the best in hockey? Not a chance friends.

 

Mike Babcock is what he thought he was, a candid, mostly honest and hard working guy. If you listened carefully, he said everything you needed to know in yesterday's press conference in 2 sentences: "This is a massive challenge" and that "It was an offer I had to take". I didn't love the first statement - because I thought winning was his top priority, and for the first time in 10 years we heard him accept that "painful" or tough times are coming, and I also thought his problem with Detroit was that we didn't have a Pavel Datsyuk (franchise center) or a Nick Lidstrom (on the back end) in our pool of prospects, but I get it - the last thing Toronto needs (and I live here) are unreal expectations, so he said what he had to.

 

But the real reason "this was an offer he couldn't refuse" isn't because of the city, the team, or the "jersey" - and certainly isn't because Toronto has a brighter future than Buffalo or Detroit. It was because he was offered a game changing contract that probably elevates the way NHL coaches will be paid forever. Like players, coaches are also in a union - and have a unilateral responsibility to take action when it positively effects the fraternity. For example, as much as coaches in the Atlantic division might not want to play Babcock 4 times a year, they also raised a beer to him yesterday for arbitrarily making his rival's more money.

 

If you are worried about Babcock turning the Leafs into a contending team in the near future - please sleep easy tonight. He (himself) has already dismissed that motion several times.

 

If you are worried about the Detroit Red Wings taking a step back, please wake up. This team has a fantastic coach on the way - and they knew that all along. There's a reason why Ken Holland publicly said "money will not be an issue" yet consistently offered less than anyone else. Oh ya, and about that Franchise Center - seems like Dylan Larkin at 18 years old is about to turn Pro - Datsyuk was 24.




#2609611 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by vladdy16 on Today, 08:21 AM

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