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#2676441 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on Yesterday, 03:50 PM

and your '15-'16 Griffins Team Leaders are


#2676397 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 22 May 2016 - 08:45 PM

Abdelkader didn't start playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg until second half the shortened 2013 season which is after Holmstrom retired in 2012 with Lidstrom. Not 5 years. I could flip it and say that the two years Nyquist produced 28 and 27 goals was on a line with Zetterberg (still weaning off his prime at age 33/34), but failed to produce when put in a situation where he wasn't surrounded by an elite player. 


For 1:30 less icetime I don't see how one scores 2/3ds the amount of goals he did the season before (with lesser competition btw). Usage was definitely an issue but Nyquist's regression had more to do with individual decline in my opinion. The reason being that when he was put on Zetterberg's line he still couldn't get much done. I'm not sure if it's a confidence thing or if the league's figured him out. Anyways I'm not jumping the gun and saying we trade him (unless it's for the right deal and if we get Okposo). But he's got to turn it around this coming season since he is making $4.75 mill. I'd assume he'll be getting more responsibility this coming season and the coaching changes should make a difference. So we can reassess at the end of the 2016 season. 


Far as Abby is concerned I'm not sure how it will be when he's 36. Likely not good because I myself have stated the long term on the contract isn't smart. But here and now in the present the $4.25 million cap hit seems like it's worked out comparitively to someone else with a similar cap hit (Nyquist).  

Fair enough - I had my issue with the length of term as well. But not the caphit. He's earned that for now. 


I disagree with the bolded part -- the drop off in Nyquist's goals was due to the fact the power play was a dumpster fire. He was still producing near the same level at even strength, despite poor usage and compounded by having much less talented players than him get the top-six minutes instead. If Gus doesn't produce getting Helm's or Richards' deployment all season, then I am more inclined to believe the notion that he regressed. It's befuddling though Blashill would decrease the ice time of his top two goal-scorers and then bemoan the fact your team can't score goals. 


I just think expectations are the biggest foes of Gus and Tatar right now. They probably aren't the next generation of superstars like when Z and Pavel took over. However, 30-goal scorers in their primes aren't easy to find and with better usage going forward, I believe both will get back to that level. I really hope the Wings aren't thinking of dealing either of them at this point, though I fear that might be the case.

#2676392 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

It makes sense to pay $6M and + for Okposo (20 goalso while playing with Tavares).

It makes sense to pay $5M for locker room cancer Radu.

It doesn't makes sense to pay $10M for the second best goalscorer in today'so NHL???


This whole "He played with Tavares" argument is false.  Okposo's primary center this season was Neilsen, and he scored more of his points with Neilsen than Tavares.  When Okposo played with Neilsen their overall possession numbers improved over when they were apart.  The same is true of when he played with Tavares.  Tavares improved Okposo's corsi, BUT Okposo improved Tavares' corsi as well.  Which shouldn't come as a surprise.  When you put guys who compliment each other together the sum tends to be greater than the individual parts. 




None of this is new though.  This argument has been invalidated just as often as it has been true.  Crosby is the best center Kessel ever played with, and Kessel actually scored WAY MORE after they were split up.  Likewise, Datsyuk is the best center Hossa ever played with and yet none of Hossa's five most productive seasons were on Datsyuk's wing. 


Saying "player X only scored as much as he did because he played with player Y" is only sometimes true, and absolutely isn't in Okposo's case.


Edit:  AND Okposo's best points/60 came on Brock Nelson's wing.  Not Tavares' OR Neilsen. 

#2676349 IIHF World Championships

Posted by marcaractac on 21 May 2016 - 04:22 PM

I typically don't care for this tournament at all, bit it's great to See Larkin continue to do his thing.

#2676348 IIHF World Championships

Posted by Son of a Wing on 21 May 2016 - 02:47 PM

Larkin is going to be a stud.

I have to keep telling myself he's only 19.

#2676346 IIHF World Championships

Posted by Son of a Wing on 21 May 2016 - 02:43 PM

Great game. Go Canada Go!
Larkin player of the game for US

#2676307 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 20 May 2016 - 02:13 PM

Yet Nyquist didn't improve and sank to Abbys production. We've got a $4.75 million contract scoring 17 goals and your concern is the guy who scored 19 and does everything else. Didn't you criticise this idea in Mantha's thread? "If a guy scores and doesn't do much else vs someone who can do everything else".

#2676266 Mantha

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 May 2016 - 09:01 PM

If a guy scores 27 goals, that's one every three games. If all he brings is that, then he's not helping you win 2/3 of the time. I'd rather have a guy who scored 20 and does other things.

I assume "a guy" would also put up assists. Mantha certainly does - he has talied more assists than goals almost every recorded year he's played. So even if you're making the mistake of judging impact by stats alone, your premise is false.


Also, I think you took the meaning of my comment (or other's comments) to an extreme. I said that I don't think Mantha will be a "complete" player - not that scoring is all he brings. Just don't think he'll ever win any Selkes.

#2676261 Mantha

Posted by kickazz on 19 May 2016 - 07:30 PM

If a guy scores 27 goals, that's one every three games. If all he brings is that, then he's not helping you win 2/3 of the time. I'd rather have a guy who scored 20 and does other things.

Well we have plenty of those guys. It seems to be working perfectly well for us. Except it's not.


Our offense lacks in goal scorers and has a weak overall offense and power play. These issues need to be addressed. Mantha won't be the complete answer. Not now. Not in his rookie year. But possibly in a couple of years he will be part of the answer. 

#2676240 Mantha

Posted by kickazz on 19 May 2016 - 02:19 PM

As long as Mantha can score goals I could careless. We need goal scorers. Team needs some size. On paper he fills those needs. Just has to translate it into NHL and I'll be happy. Could care less about his ability to hit, play defense blah blah.

#2676242 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 19 May 2016 - 02:42 PM

Free agency shouldn't even be a thought this year for a defenseman. Quincey should and hopefully will sign with another team, and no one else should be brought in, other than a top pair guy via trade...


I do wish we were able to part with Ericsson and keep Q, however. 

#2676222 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on 19 May 2016 - 09:59 AM

It's official... Quincey and Richards will not return


Detroit Red Wings to part ways with Kyle Quincey, Brad Richards http://on.freep.com/27DL6Ch  via @freep

#2676209 Mantha

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2016 - 09:27 PM

Good point, and let's not kid ourselves, we missed a guy like Franzen this year big time. Imagine how well he would have contributed to offensive zone time, and as a result, total offense this year.

If Mantha becomes another Franzen I'll be thrilled.

#2676190 Mantha

Posted by VM1138 on 18 May 2016 - 05:44 PM

Mantha doesn't have to be a Z or Dasyuk replacement. I've always figured him for a Franzen replacement. Kind of a floater but a safe player and effective scorer.

#2676213 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 18 May 2016 - 10:25 PM

How is AA ever supposed to learn the defensive game at center ice if he never plays? We are not cup contenders, it's time to move kids into the spots they need to be and have our coaches make them better. That's part of the job. If you have a strong system, you don't need every player to an ace defensively. We couldn't score to save our lives this year, that was our main problem. So get the kids who know how to score into the lineup, let them do what makes them successful and over time develop their defensive games.