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#2534775 Sharks enter training no with no C or A's

Posted by number9 on Today, 10:14 AM

If this is their way of trying to get him to waive his ntc, it's a dick move. Don't want him as captain want to t rade him ? ! Don't re-sign him and don't give him a ntc then simple as that.

 

If Wilson really believes Marleau and Thornton are the only problem there, he is out of his mind. This team has lost against the stanley cup winner and for whatever reason couldn't get the job done after leading 3:0. I mean it's hard to see the Wings direction but in terms of San Jose I don't see a direction, they aren't rebuilding/tooling and they haven't signed anybody of notice maybe it's a hybrid build.

 

If I where Thornton I'd be pissed and tell them about it, they can't t rade him he will get his money no matter what.

 

I very much think they're trying a rebuild on the fly. The only difference is we are already a few years into ours, and they are just starting theirs this year. Also, we are going the classy route and letting our core retire here. They are not. Albeit, of their vet core (Thornton, Marleau, Boyle) only Marleau is a career Shark and that group never brought the team a cup, unlike our Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall core.

 

So they let Boyle go, and are now probably trying to trade Thornton, so they can pass the torch to the new core of Pavelski, Couture, and Vlasic. This last season seemed to have been their old groups last chance before they were ready to commit to a retool.




#2534760 Sharks enter training no with no C or A's

Posted by kliq on Today, 03:07 AM

They also did this to Marleau in favor of Thornton. Maybe they should figure out something else instead of killing morale within their own club.

 

In addition to taking the C away from Marleau back when they gave it to Thornton, in the story you it says they also this time stripped him of the A. So Marleau when from being captain, to an assistant captain, to nothing..........way to treat your players San Jose. They are lucky they are not a huge market, if they were a Toronto or New York etc. the media would be all over this story.




#2534752 Sharks enter training no with no C or A's

Posted by kliq on Today, 12:33 AM

Reports indicate that San Jose wanted to trade Thronton earlier this offseason, but Thornton said no (he has a no trade clause). I think this is SJ's way of getting him to back-down from that stance.

 

Kind of a d*** move if you ask me, Thornton loves SJ, and as a result took a hometown discount (6.75mil over next 3 years), then 5 months later they try to trade him??? 7 months later strip him of the C??? You didn't want him, don't sign him. As much as fans hate Holland for the Cleary signing, these are the types of things players remember. A team like Detroit has a reputation of taking care of its own, SJ now look like a team who don't give a crap.




#2534747 Sharks enter training no with no C or A's

Posted by number9 on Yesterday, 11:45 PM

I think it's a good idea. They been under performing for awhile(I believe before even joe was there). So this is a way to light a fire under some peoples asses and maybe find a better leader.


I have nothing against how as he was one of the bed set up guys in te league. But maybe he isn't captain material? I don't know.

 

IMO, and this is coming from a spoiled Red Wing standpoint, once you give a guy a C you mark him as that for his career. You don't take it back and you don't trade him (Unless things go horribly wrong). If you do either of those you probably shouldn't have given that guy a C in the first place, or you should have just rolled with 3 A's. I personally think they should have just let him keep it until they trade him. If I was him I'd be pissed if my C was stripped from me and handed to Pavelski near the end of my career, and as they continue to expect the best from me.




#2534749 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by number9 on Yesterday, 11:56 PM

IMO this was always a freak accident. Sure Bertuzzi shouldn't have thrown the cheap shot, but there are plenty of on-par or worse cheap shots that have been thrown in the NHL. The only difference is this one happened to end with the unthinkable. The result was certainly not Bertuzzi's intention, just like no player intends to end a career when they go airborne on a hit, or throw an elbow, or slam a head into the boards, or uppercut an opponents face. The intent is always to harm, but never this. The problem is 1/somelargenumber end up like this. That's the reality of fast contact sports that condones fighting. I hope that moore can get what he needs, but I also don't think that Bertuzzi should be burned at the stake for his actions. This has been hashed out a million times, but It's late and I've been drinking.




#2534716 Lines Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on Yesterday, 06:31 PM

I miss having someone like this in the lineup...

 

 

 

Here's hoping Glendening and/or Callahan can develop into an impact hitter.

 

Couldn't agree more. I really miss that too. Shame that Fischer got injured too nearly died and had to retire, we could have used that toughness on the back end. Glad to see that he's doing good though. 


The contract that Cleary signed includes a bonus if he plays ten games with the Wings. Because this whole contract renewal thing has to do with honoring Holland's word that the Wings will take care of Cleary this year, a lot of us suspect that Cleary will get 10 games with the Wings (unless he's absolutely terrible or injured). In those 10 games the organization can determine whether Cleary will be an asset to the team for the remainder of the season, and Cleary gets the money he left on the table last year. My prediction is he plays 10 games and that's the last we see of him.

 

And yea, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 10 games, but if he's truly being outplayed in training camp by the likes of Jurco and Pulkkinen, I can't believe the Wings would play him? 




#2534690 Lines Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on Yesterday, 02:07 PM

I miss having someone like this in the lineup...

 

 

 

Here's hoping Glendening and/or Callahan can develop into an impact hitter.




#2534681 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Dabura on Yesterday, 09:53 AM

Wanted to add something to this:

 

Do you know what a slightly healthier season and/or fewer boneheaded mistakes from Kyle Quincey and/or better luck in the shootout means? Well, for one thing, one more point in the standings gets us the Penguins in the first round. (We ended the regular season tied with the Jackets in terms of points.) I remember very cleary - we wanted the Pens, because we knew we stacked up well against them (even without Zetterberg and Ericsson), and the Pens fans didn't want the Wings, because they knew the Wings stacked up well against the Pens (even with Crosby and Malkin and Neal and Kunitz and The Mighty Matt Niskanen and Future Hall of Famer Brooks Orpik). The Pens were let off the hook and given the Jackets. Because of a tiebreaker rule. Because Johan Franzen and Joakim Andersson spent time as our top center and our heart-and-soul leader had surgery and...Jared Cowen*. (*Don't say we need an enforcer.)

 

Seven more points? We're even with ZOMG CUP CONTENDERS THE MONTREAL CANADIENS. Eight more points? We're even with ZOMG 2015 EASTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS THE TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING. The Flyers? They finished a whopping one point ahead of us. The Rangers, who went to the Stanley Cup Finals? They finished a whopping two points ahead of the Flyers, three points ahead of us.

 

Zone Entries and the Red Wings [Winging It In Motown]

 

We've noted here before that whenever somebody gets to play with Tatar or Nyquist, they get a notable bump in possession. In this sample of data, the Wings generated .57 shots per Nyquist entry (whether by dump or carry), while they generated just .44 shots for every Joakim Andersson entry. Maybe that doesn't sound like a lot, but let's project that over the course of a full season. Nyquist was on pace for about 400 entries of any kind over the course of the season. In a world where both players had 400 entries, Nyquist's entries would be worth 52 more shots over the course of the season, or 4-5 goals. That's probably worth 1-2 points in the standings, which means the Wings play a much more beatable Pittsburgh team in round 1 instead of the Bruins.

 

So, again, something as seemingly small as Andersson playing a greatly elevated role for a game or two due to injuries - that alone was, perhaps, the difference between the Pens and Bruins in the first round. Point being, again, it's easy to say the glass is half-empty for the Wings and that they're barely a playoff team in the weak East. But I personally believe that's selling the team - and its architect - short.




#2534673 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by wings4thecup06 on Yesterday, 03:07 AM

And who is responsible for that decision? Right the GM anyway he now has 4 years to right a sinking ship. It's a really tough task and after we lose Babs it will be even harder Personally I would have preferred a rebuild in such an awesome draft year but seems like the streak is more important : (

 

But we are rebuilding Frank. It's just happening slowly and with less drastic effects, as the Wings are filtering in the young guys into the lineup to compliment and eventually succeed, the vets. 

 

I would still prefer to make the playoffs every year than go the traditional rebuild route where you don't even sniff a winning record for half a decade. But that's me. 




#2534649 Lines Thread

Posted by nawein on 20 August 2014 - 06:20 PM

You're right someone was good 10, 15 or 20 years ago so they must still be good now!

Howe can prolly still play let's sign him up.


If they're close in skill level, tie goes to the guy that's proven he can play at that level in the nhl consistently. How is that hard for you to understand? If a young gun is a clearly better hockey player he'll get a bigger role. If you want to watch a tie go to a young player I'd advise watching more oiler games.


#2534650 Lines Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 August 2014 - 06:27 PM

You're right someone was good 10, 15 or 20 years ago so they must still be good now!

Howe can prolly still play let's sign him up.

 

Plus, things shouldn't just be gifted to anyone in life, they should be earned. Just like with the young kids here. Why would they be pasted straight into the lineup every night if they hadn't already proven they could play at that level, or even tried to earn it? It sends the wrong message to everyone in the organisation. Whereas sending the message of 'if you want to play here, you've got to earn it', promotes (IMO) hard work and competition. 

 

Now, granted, it might have seemed like over the last few years the Wings haven't exactly been as lenient with the kids as they perhaps should, but as we saw last year, opportunities arose, and the kids grabbed the bull by the horns and 'earned' their spots. Hopefully, the likes of Jurco and co outplay Cleary and start the year with the big boys. 




#2534648 Lines Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 August 2014 - 06:18 PM

You're right someone was good 10, 15 or 20 years ago so they must still be good now!

Howe can prolly still play let's sign him up.

 

So you really don't get the concept gaining someone's trust and how that works....

 

Forget hockey...just in general.  It's a fairly primitive concept.


Or how putting a young person through adversity, and having them overcome obstacles, helps build them to be a better person.




#2534646 Lines Thread

Posted by nawein on 20 August 2014 - 06:04 PM

 
Because vets can't go to the minors... and their veterans of the team, they get seniority and thus win ties. It's no longer a tie and rightly so Babs has said certain vets have lost their jobs.
 
No, the point you were trying to make was that Cleary would slot in on the 1st line with Dats and Z over all our other good players... not that Cleary was taking a fourth line spot from Callahan or somebody. It's a completely different point and argument.


Not to mention that they're vets because they've already proven themselves over the course of their careers.


#2534644 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 20 August 2014 - 05:36 PM

That's my point though. Why is the vets who can't play any more(cleary Bert Sammy) or guys who struggle like Quincey get the tie breaker?

Why is it the young kids have to prove themselves first whereas the vets don't. Tatar was sat for what 8 games? Why? Nyquist was in the minors. Why? That kind of proves the poit I was making.

 

Because vets can't go to the minors... and their veterans of the team, they get seniority and thus win ties. It's no longer a tie and rightly so Babs has said certain vets have lost their jobs.

 

No, the point you were trying to make was that Cleary would slot in on the 1st line with Dats and Z over all our other good players... not that Cleary was taking a fourth line spot from Callahan or somebody. It's a completely different point and argument.




#2534633 Lines Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 August 2014 - 02:43 PM

where dd he start the year at?

 

On the third line....  You're welcome to check the boxscores and gameday lineups and stats and facts etc.