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#2628696 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 11:17 AM


If he's the better player and playing wing doesn't take away from that, I think he adds value.


Maybe.  But I'm not sure he's any better than the guys who he'd replace as a top line winger.  If it were me, I'd bump everyone up one line and fill in from the third.  For instance:






In this scenario Nyquist gets the spot on the top line.  And it's doubtful that Larkin is better than Nyquist (at this point).  And Jurco fills the empty spot created upon Nyquist's promotion  (rather than be a healthy scratch as he is now). 

#2628692 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 11:09 AM


Doesn't AA also play LW though? And Datsyuk and Zetterberg alternate between C and LW, maybe AA and Larkin can do the same.


That's mostly true.  Datsyuk has never really played significant time on the wing.  He did for like 5 games one season under Babs and it didn't really pan out.  But otherwise I agree with you.  They "could" do it.  But so can the natural wingers, of which we have a million.  So why not leave the wingers as wingers and the centers as centers?  What value added is Larkin on the wing over Pulkkinen, Jurco, Mantha, or Bertuzzi?

#2628688 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 10:59 AM


Which is what's happening now, and probably why he's on the team no?


I should have been more clear.  Barring injury to a center.  I never, ever, want to see Larkin (or Athanasiou) play on the wing when we've got really good wingers sitting on the bench or in the AHL. 


Need a top six winger?  Give Mantha or Bertuzzi a call.  Need a center?  Larkin and AA are your guys. 

#2628685 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 10:46 AM

I'd rather see Dylark in the AHL until he can take over full time for Richards next season.  Or barring injury.  Also, I'd like to see Pulkkinen on the bench, Nyquist in his spot, and Jurco with Tatar and Richards, but that's just me. 

#2628621 Janmark nylen makes the Dallas roster

Posted by rick zombo on Yesterday, 07:29 PM

Just because Janmark made the Stars line-up (bottom six forward which the Wings have no room for and probably won't until 2025) doesn't mean Holland could have traded him for Jeff Petry or some other top 4 guy. We're talking about a player that was passed over in two drafts and then taken by the Wings and……wait……wait…..JIM NILL. In fact Nill was probably the only GM that would take Janmark in a deal. 


Good for Janmark for making the team, that's on him for working his ballz off. I blame Holland for making that deal about as much as I'd blame him for putting Nestrasil on waivers, which is to say not very friggin much. 


Also: how goddamn predictable was this thread? 

#2628614 Dylan Larkin on opening night roster

Posted by frankgrimes on Yesterday, 06:09 PM

The same way Mantha was "That Good" last year? or?...
I'm not saying he can't play in the NHL this year, I just don't think he should start the season in Detroit. I would much prefer to see him start the season down in Grand Rapids, and if he plays well enough and there are injuries down the middle in Detroit, then he should get his shot. I don't like the idea of an 18 year old kid, going from college, straight to the National Hockey League. My opinion.


Couldn't agree more just look at another team and some of their young guns are deemed ready but are sent back by Lamoriello and Babcock to even learn more. Don't get me wrong I'm extremely happy for Larkin he has worked his butt off and earned this chance but I think once the  season gets going it will be tough for him to keep up. The Crosby's and Bergeron's of the world in pre-season form are not the ones he is going to face night in and night out in the NHL. His talent level is awesome as is his performance but going straight to the NHL is an unreal beast for a 19 year old..not named Eichel or McDavid (both are going to take the NHL by storm).


Even if it's just temporally it would have made more sense to let him develop chemistry with Mantha and destroy the AHL and come up when he's fully ready to stay up for good and not get send down again.

#2628567 Free agents this off season

Posted by amato on Yesterday, 10:43 AM

wasn't sure where to put this  /didn't think it deserved its own thread but Janmark has made the dallas roster. congrats kid!





“It’s a great story,” Dallas GM Jim Nill said, per the Morning News. “We really only planned to have him here for maybe two preseason games and then send him back. But he just kept being one of the best players out there, and he changed our minds.

“It’s a great example of what you can do if you just play hard.”

Nill acquired Janmark, 22, from Detroit at last year’s deadline as part of the Erik Cole trade. Nill was familiar with the Swedish forward from his time with the Wings — he was part of the front office team that drafted Janmark in ’13 — but didn’t think the deal would pay such immediate dividends.

#2628549 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by e_prime on Yesterday, 08:43 AM

Again, for the umpteenth time... Cleary Is NOT Taking A Roster Spot From Any Of The Kids... He is simply holding down that 13th/14th/15th forward spot until Helm and / or Datsyuk is healthy. Would you prefer Mantha be up with the big club sitting every game? Cleary will be waived before Ferraro or even Andersson. Again, he is not harming this team in any way whatsoever...

The funny thing is that we already have enough forwards to fill all the lines and then some.  It's going to be a challenge just to slot all those guys into the right spaces.Even then, barring a trade, we'll still have talented forwards that are going to have to sit EVEN BEFORE Dats and Helm get back  ...and STILL people are worried about Cleary sitting in the pressbox.  Sitting.  Not playing.  Sitting. 

Hell, he's not even taking a roster spot from the youngsters in GR right now.  So just give it af****** rest.

#2628522 Dylan Larkin on opening night roster

Posted by frankgrimes on 05 October 2015 - 11:15 PM

I'm very happy for him, guy had such an amazing camp but on the same token I'm kinda sad in terms of (maybe) the Wings are rushing him. Pre-season is one thing but this week it's go time and would have prefered to see him center the Mantha line in GR. Anyhow I guess it's only temporally till Pasha is back having him center the 2 line would be a lot to ask out of  Larkin so soon  but you never know.


As far as him being the next face of the franchise I think it will be between Larkin & DannyD I mean when was the last time the 2 faces of this franchise were all from michigan and probably the best center and defender of the team in the future? That's so freaking cool, I may think Holland has lost his fire and question how his builds the team in a very softish way but him and the help of our perfect human really nailed the Dekeyser signing.

#2628502 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 October 2015 - 08:24 PM


I know. 


None of that was my point though.  My point was that because Detroit hasn't had a right shooter in a while, and they REALLY wanted one, it's all anybody could talk about.  It became a paradigm through which fans viewed our defense and as a result many have begun to fetishize the idea of right shooting defensemen.  Often times, it's used as a sort of trump card when people debate players.  "Well I know player X is better, but player Y shoots right".  Which is absurd...of course. 


That was my whole point. 

If you agree with all he said I don't get what the deal is. We did really want one. they are important. We did talk about it a lot because we wanted one and they're important. Since we want one and they're important when discussing players it gives the edge to the Righty. Haven't seen anyone make it the only consideration. What's the problem? Maybe just sick of hearing about it? 


Our GM has definitely thought about it since we have drafted a lot of RH Dmen and the search that lead to Green.


As a side note, Green gave an interview recently where he said the Caps strategized around our lack of Righties. (I'm guessing that meant breakout along the boards on the side of the Dman on his off side). It's a weakness.


Anyway, we have Green. I think one of Marchenko or Jensen are destine for the 3rd pair next year (or late this year and the other will be 7th guy.  2 out of 6 would be a good ratio (or 3 out of 7)

#2628455 Dylan Larkin on opening night roster

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 05 October 2015 - 02:56 PM

I was kind of hoping he'd be sent down and have a great season in GR, but maybe that's just me being overly cautious about his development, as I'm extremely excited for this kid. But if he's truly NHL ready and makes the team better, then awesome. Going to be exciting regardless.

#2628462 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 05 October 2015 - 03:26 PM

I think the "right shooting defenseman" thing has tended to get overblown over the last three years.  Nothing about being a right shooter makes a guy better, or more deserving of a roster spot.  It's a characteristic that, all things being equal, you'd like to have a balance of. 


For instance, Marchenko and Smith were a better pair last year than Smith and Zidlicky.  In one instance having a righty worked, and in the other it didn't make much difference.  If forced to choose, I would rather have seen Smith with another lefty (Ouellet?), or Zidlicky with another righty (Marchenko?), rather than those two together. 


The lefty righty thing is based on all other variables being equal. If you're trying to find a partner for a lefty, and you've got two good guys with similar skillsets, then pick a righty.  But if one guy is a mismatch in every other way, but is right handed, don't give him the spot based primarily on that. 


Just my 2 cents. 


When you consider that over 70% of NHL Defencemen shoot left handed, It certainly helps to have a Right Handed shot when it comes to bubble players in the pre-season and/or free agents in the off-season. No, you aren't cutting Nick Kronwall to make room for Nick Jensen, but the theory of having an equal number of each stems from basic (positional) fundamentals and not just because it's simply good to have a balance of both.


Ideally, you would like to have 3 LH and 3 RH Defencemen at all times - because it's much harder to play the opposite side as a Dman than it is as a Forward...Alot of Forwards actually prefer to play their off-wing because its beneficial in most scoring area's around the slot.


As a left handed Defenceman playing the right side, it is much more difficult to retrieve the puck off the boards and move it quickly when sustaining offensive zone time... At NHL level, retrieving pucks on your backhand at the blueline to keep the zone (especially at even strength) typically gives the opposing team too much time to make a play. It's also harder to "play catch" and set up your offence at the top of the zone if both Dmen are Left Handed, and opposing teams will key in on this. Not to get too crazy, because we are talking about the best in the world here... but it's also easier to pivot, and force opposing forwards to the outside when you are playing the correct side.


On the PP, it's also beneficial to have both shots out there (think Lidstrom, Rafalski) - because once possession is established after the faceoff is won, the Defencemen can "switch" and create two shooting lanes as opposed to just one. Doing that, also creates room down low because the shorthanded team has to send 2 guys high...


It's not really overblown, and although you aren't arbitrarily a better player based on the fact you shoot right handed, you can certainly put your team in a position to be better. This is why they command more money every off-season, and more demand every trade deadline then left handed shooting players.

#2628429 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 October 2015 - 01:14 PM

Why do we keep Cleary when we send better guys down doesn't make sense to me

I didn't like the Cleary signing when it happened - I still don't. He hasn't taken a job from anyone "better", though. Cleary's the 14th forward - a placeholder until Helm and Datsyuk return. If Ferraro is waived before Cleary, then there's something to complain about.

You're not going to have Athanasiou or Mantha sit every night in the NHL, instead of playing first-line minutes in the AHL.

#2628428 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by e_prime on 05 October 2015 - 01:12 PM

Because the better players need to play. They will get minutes down in Grand Rapids that they wouldn't get in Detroit. Cleary is NOT taking a spot from any of the kids.

For Cleary, the Pressbox is probably worse than getting sent down. 


Say what you will about his play... I mean, what else is left to say... but the guy wants to play.

#2628408 3 Bold Predictions for 2015-16

Posted by rick zombo on 05 October 2015 - 12:09 PM

3. Streak ends. Yup.