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#2565893 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by Euro_Twins on Yesterday, 11:29 AM

Kindl and 2nd? Do we have the cap space?


We will hve something like 9million cap space at the deadline I believe. It gets pro rated or something to that effect. We only acquire the remaining cap for the year. Plus kindl has a cap hit of 2.4, petry is 3.075, so Ya we definitely do.


#2565871 GDT : NHL Skills Competition/60th All-Star Game

Posted by frankgrimes on Yesterday, 06:36 AM

OEL is unbelievable if this guy would be playing for a big market team there would be much more hype around him.  That guy is going to be a stud soon. Ekblad also impressed me the guy is not even 19 and shoots at 94 mph what the f*** ? That boy has all the makings of becoming the next Weber speaking of which that tank is just insane 108,5 mph slaptshot I'm sure his onetimer might reach 120 + too bad Chara hasn't been there.

 

It's amazing how skilled these guys are you don't see that on the ice because the game goes so quick but their stick handling, accuracy and speeds are top notch hockeyplayers really are the best athletes when it comes to the complete package.

 

but man do they ever get rid of that stupid draft, stop embarassing players and go back to the East versus West All STAR team and let guys in the know decide...that stupid voting challenge makes a joke of the whole thing.

 

Oh and the Toronto Media can shut up now, Kessel did the fastes t skater  challenge under 14 seconds and beat Tyler Seguin that wouldn't be possible if that guy isn't in shape..




#2565850 NHL Player Tracking System

Posted by Echolalia on 24 January 2015 - 11:35 PM

I don't want to see a bunch of arrows and graphics cluttering up the screen when I'm just trying to watch the game, but this technology could open the door for a lot of real-time (or near enough) stats that commentators could utilize.  It would be cool to know if Shea Weber just broke 100mph on that shot that Glendening just blocked.  The trajectory thing could also help in determining if a puck was deflected before it went in the net.  I can definitely see uses to this, but let's not travel back down the same road that led us to the glow-puck.




#2565852 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kliq on 24 January 2015 - 11:40 PM

Kliq some good points for sure man in retrospective I can't believe how weak that UFA class Iginla is by far the best of that list. The thing with Shattenkirk is that the blues have re- sign Tarasenko and Schwarz and are tied to the cap so that might be a nice opportunity. Anyway I think Pulkinen could be a nice piece to sweeten some deals.

 

Thanks.......I would be ecstatic if we could somehow get Shattenkirk, but I just don't see the Blues giving him up.




#2565869 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on Yesterday, 05:51 AM

Found this interesting.

"Derek Van Diest of the Edmonton Sun: The Oilers will start selling off assets and look towards next season. Five players they could move before the March 2nd trade deadline.Jeff Petry hes not going to re-sign. He wont admit it, but hed prefer playing closer to his home on Ann Arbor, Michigan. They will try to get at least a 2nd round pick."
http://www.mynhltrad...tning/#comments


#2565848 Dylan Larkin

Posted by nawein on 24 January 2015 - 10:46 PM

Meant to post this the other day but I got sidetracked and forgot. He's added 4 more points in his last two games to up his ppg even more. Pretty good company to be in if you ask me.

https://michigan.riv...asp?CID=1728124

Expecting him to keep scoring like he has recently is probably unfeasible. Consider that in the past 15 years, no Big Ten freshman has ever averaged 1.39 points per game in a season. Minnesota's Thomas Vanek (1.38 in 2002-03) and Phil Kessel (1.31 in 2005-06) came closest.




#2565820 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kliq on 24 January 2015 - 04:43 PM

who considered him a top ufa ? Actually Hossa was 29 when he signed with us https://www.toledobl...for-1-year.html Like I've said for the right return nobody should be off limits and that price will obviously ridiculously high. But do you really expect to get back a player that can help us on the backend for years by offering so so prospects ? That's not gonna happen. Pietrangelo was RFA and could have been offer sheeted just as an example. Yeah Suter signed elsewhere couldn't do anything about that but the wings could flex their financial muscle when it comes to offer sheeting other top players. So what's your solution then keep building and building till Pasha and Z can't carry the team anymore ? Even if that's your plan there isn't enough on this team for every prospect so trades need to happen might as well cash in when the value us highish

 

Every analyst considered Weiss a top UFA. This is what the UFA has turned into. Guys like Seguin, Stamkos, Weber etc. are not hitting UFA anymore.

 

http://www.mynhltrad...hl-free-agents/

Above is a link ranking the top UFA of 2013, Weiss is ranked #4 player (non goalie). The 3 above him, Lecavalier, Filppula, and Clarkson. I would say he is easily #2 on that list now despite his struggles. Again, this is what UFA has become, hence my issue with throwing stupid amounts of money in a cap system at average-pretty good players.

 

You are right, Hossa was 29 when he signed, Weiss was 30. I should have double checked myself rather than take someone else’s word for it. But the point of that, was that Weiss was also in his prime just like Hossa, so that point still stands.

 

Holland can throw out offer-sheets all he wants, team will just match, we all know this. All this does is hurt a GM's relationship with other GM's. We already have a hard enough time trading because we are the Wings, this is the last thing I want to do. I can’t even remember the last offer sheet that went through.

 

My solution: Keep producing talent and let these kids take over for D & Z. We have so many good young players, I’m not going to dismiss them because "I don’t want to get my hopes up so I won’t be disappointed". We are currently sitting just a few points out of first seed in the conference (and that's with D missing 11 games). If it was just D & Z that were good on our team, this would not be the case.

This is getting off topic anyways, my point was that the Wings don’t struggle with landing UFA. We have landed 3 pretty big ones (respective to who is available) over the past few years. The difference, is the best of the best don’t hit UFA, and the players that do hit UFA typically get overpaid, kudos to Holland for not giving away stupid contracts. (ie. Clarkson, Orpik, Pouliot etc.). I would love to get Keith Shattenkirk, but this will never happen. That would be like a Ducks fan in 2000 saying "our GM should go out and get Lidstrom" Not going to happen. (not saying Shattenkirk is as good as Lidstrom, but I think my point is made).




#2565798 Time for Teemu?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 January 2015 - 01:14 PM

who considered him a top ufa ? Actually Hossa was 29 when he signed with us https://www.toledobl...for-1-year.html Like I've said for the right return nobody should be off limits and that price will obviously ridiculously high. But do you really expect to get back a player that can help us on the backend for years by offering so so prospects ? That's not gonna happen. Pietrangelo was RFA and could have been offer sheeted just as an example. Yeah Suter signed elsewhere couldn't do anything about that but the wings could flex their financial muscle when it comes to offer sheeting other top players. So what's your solution then keep building and building till Pasha and Z can't carry the team anymore ? Even if that's your plan there isn't enough on this team for every prospect so trades need to happen might as well cash in when the value us highish

There is no financial muscle - that's the whole point of the salary cap. And I think you know how likely it is to land someone on an offer sheet. 

 

Solution is to build from the draft, which we've done. Try to pick up college free agents (Dekeyeser, Glendening) AND take a swing in Free agency. Alfie and Weiss were top free agents. we haven't done as badly in free agency as some suggest. If we finish where we're at in the standings now, we'll be pretty attractive as a destination.

 

Edit: Also, this year looks like a better crop of free agents: Green, Erhoff, and Franson, Boychuck, Marc Staal, Petry, Jackman, Martin are set to be UFAs this year. Some will get signed before then, but who knows...




#2565793 Time for Teemu?

Posted by darkmanx on 24 January 2015 - 12:16 PM

 

Good god christ...top UFAs in their ******* prime better ?

 

The last big piece has been Marian Hossa because he was willing to make it work since then if your standard are Alfredsson (way past his prime) and Weiss good for you..I thought Wings standards are/were higher. It's nothing against either one of them but compared to Marian Hossa they are a downgrade.

 

Loading up on prospects is nice and all but same must be used as assets given how bad the UFA market has become

 

Yea that Alfredsson guy was really awful. He only had 50 points in 68 games last year, and was our leading scorer.




#2565792 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kliq on 24 January 2015 - 12:12 PM

 

Good god christ...top UFAs in their ******* prime better ?

 

The last big piece has been Marian Hossa because he was willing to make it work since then if your standard are Alfredsson (way past his prime) and Weiss good for you..I thought Wings standards are/were higher. It's nothing against either one of them but compared to Marian Hossa they are a downgrade.

 

Loading up on prospects is nice and all but same must be used as assets given how bad the UFA market has become

 

There are so many holes in your argument, its not even funny.

 

Weiss was is his prime when we signed him and was considered a top UFA that year, and as someone else pointed out, he was younger then what Hossa was when we signed Hossa.

 

You are criticizing Holland for not signing "Hossa" level players, saying that you thought our standards are higher, and how its all a downgrade. Who are these UFA's you are talking about? Hossa level UFA's are not hitting UFA any more. Last year the top 2 guys were Matt Niskanen and Paul Stasny. The only player who was a "game-changer" in the past few years was Suter, and he did want to come here, we were just #2 on his list not #1 due to family reason (wife's family lives near Minny), not a knock on the organization at all. Your last line, you even admit the UFA market is bad.

 

Saying to just trade for a game-changer is easy, but when GM's are asking for Nyquist & Mantha, or Tatar & Larkin (just examples) etc. I would rather Holland wait and not make a stupid move. Before you jump to the old Boychuk argument, Boston never would have made that trade with us as we are a division rival who has the ability to take a playoff spot from them.

 

Its not 2001 anymore, you cant just obtain Hull Robitaille, and Hasek anymore.

 

If you love big moves (UFA signings & trades), plus I know you love physical play, you should become a Flyers fan. It appears everything that defines this organization you hate (being patient, developing talent, not making giant UFA signings, not making blockbuster trades, not playing a super phyisical style, not having a fighter etc.)




#2565786 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by darkmanx on 24 January 2015 - 11:30 AM

frank, "Holland's job is to defend the trade as much as possible"? No, Holland's job is to make this team as competitive as he possibly can, every single year... That involves making trades to improve the team in the now, without mortgaging the future, keeping in mind the team 5 years from now. I'll admit, I was a little shocked by what we had to give up to get Legwand here for a few months, and I was a little disappointed at the time. However, if anyone thinks, that trade mortgaged the future, or even set us back, are not looking at things clearly. Jarnkrok is a pretty decent young player, and I think he still has the potential to be a 40-50 point guy in this league. But that's the type of production that can be replaced any year by a FREE agent... which in my opinion has already been done this past summer, with the signing of Tomas Nosek.

 

People really need to get over this minuscule botch on Holland's resume, it was one minor bad, not awful trade... Also, just because it doesn't matter to you, believe it or not, the streak is important to a lot of fans, and the entire organization, Holland did a great job in keeping that intact.

 

Bingo. People seem to forget the most important thing to an organization is making the playoffs and getting a ton of extra revenue, not necessarily to please the fans by not trading Jarnkrok to miss the playoffs. It isn't all about us fans sometimes, in fact I have no issue with the move then, and still don't. Anderson was our #1 center due to all the injuries, we would have bombed the rest of the season if not for this move.

 

People need to get over it and realize we are spoiled, imagine having the Leafs for a team or Buffalo, would you even watch half the games? We should be thankful Holland is running this team and making such moves instead of falling in the standings (which I'm certain a portion of the fanbase would stop following the Wings).




#2565777 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 24 January 2015 - 11:04 AM

Jarnkrok is a pretty decent young player, and I think he still has the potential to be a 40-50 point guy in this league. But that's the type of production that can be replaced any year by a FREE agent... which in my opinion has already been done this past summer, with the signing of Tomas Nosek.
 


Plus nosek is a big body, 6'2'' over 200lbs, and not that long ago people were clamoring about how we need to stop drafting these small skilled guys and get bigger, tougher, and harder to play against.

I just don't see when were going to need him unless we have another string of centers go down...
But I think he could be a jori lehterä type player.


#2565776 Time for Teemu?

Posted by Yzerfan87 on 24 January 2015 - 11:03 AM

 
Good god christ...top UFAs in their ******* prime better ?
 
The last big piece has been Marian Hossa because he was willing to make it work since then if your standard are Alfredsson (way past his prime) and Weiss good for you..I thought Wings standards are/were higher. It's nothing against either one of them but compared to Marian Hossa they are a downgrade.
 
Loading up on prospects is nice and all but same must be used as assets given how bad the UFA market has become


Funny that Hossa signed here at 30. Guess how old Weiss was when he signed? Here's a hint, he's 31 now. So if Hossa was in his prime, so is Weiss.

The fact is, with the league being so equal now, players can play where they want, closer to where they grew up and have family, or closer to where they have other relationships. We had trouble landing a couple overrated Dmen, (Niskanen has a whopping 15 points) and suddenly we can't ever get a good free agent again.


#2565768 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by joesuffP on 24 January 2015 - 07:31 AM

Making the playoffs was a good character builder for these young guys and they were integral in getting us there. Also gave them a chance to see what playoff hockey is all about and hopefully are better prepared this year


#2565764 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kliq on 24 January 2015 - 04:44 AM

I still would for the right offer nothing against Tatar, love his game but: the job of a GM is to make a team better in the long run that's why most GMs are taking care of their players but are never too attached to them, cause they might have to trade them the next day.

 

Pulkinnen has a great shot yes. The problem is the guy is small and weak - obviously he will bulk  up - but on a team that already is lacking heavily in size and grit he will get pushed around too easily making it difficult to unload his shot at the right time. Obviously the guy has potential but people have to understand one simple thing: other GMs aren't going to offer a top 4 defender for so- so prospects or bad contracts. I've mentioned it before this team has trouble getting top UFAs to sign here and aren't bad enough to get top 5 picks so how do you add another top 4 defender? Hoping to get such a steal as Dekeyser again ? Might work might not at some point a major trade has to happen.

 

And if other GMs are asking for Pulkinnen (he doesn't have that much value around the league mind you), Jurco, Marchenko in exchange for a top 4 guy or a big bodied gritty winger you have to jump at th at opportunity if you are Ken Holland.  That doesn't mean I'd be dying to trade Pulkinnen but of the available guys - given that Mantha is almost off limits safe for overpayment - I would do it. The Wings aren't in a position to dictate how the trade goes anymore other GMs know this team is desperate to add another defender so the price only goes up that's the nature of the beast.

 

Just because you say something over and over and over and over and over again, does not make it true. From my count, we have signed Dekeyser, Alfredsson and Weiss over the last 3 years. We cant pick and choose who we want anymore, I'll give you that, but your statement is just wrong.

 

You cant even make the argument that Alfie and Weiss weren't top UFA's, because they were. The questions here is not, "do the UFA's that come here play like top guys", the questions is, "can we attract top guys".