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#2639173 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 01:19 PM

Those players you listed are top 9 forwards, not necessarily top 6. You only listed 10 players and Datsyuk and Svechnikov will never play on this team together, which would leave 9. I'm still not convinced Nosek will ever make it, but maybe he does as a third line center. You left out Abdelkader, Sheahan, Pulkkinen and Bertuzzi, I'm assuming because you see them all as bottom 6 guys? Either way, we have an abundance of top 9 forwards, so Holland is going to have to make some tough decisions over the season or two, and I hope he's working on some sort of trade to get rid of the log jam up front and bring in a young, top end defenseman... No more rentals...


I'm not okay with bringing in top prospects like Athanasiou or Mantha to play them on the 4th line, but I would be okay with bringing up Bertuzzi to play that role if we were in need. The thing is though, we really don't need another 4th line player, we just waived a very capable 4th line guy in Ferraro. This is not an area of weakness, it's never the reason we win or lose games, and Miller is doing an okay job for the time being. There is no need to ruin the development of a top prospect by sticking them on the 4th line. Have you not learned anything from the whole Jurco debacle?

#2639005 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 12:56 PM

I agree that the 4th line has looked somewhat dangerous with the addition of Helm, and I hope they keep him down there, his style of game suits that 4th line checking role perfectly. With the influx of talent we'll be getting over the next couple years, Helm should either be on the Red Wings as a 4th line, penalty killer or playing for another team (not re-sign or traded). I like Helm and I'd like to see him remain with the team, but not as a top 9 winger. Also, keeping him in that role for this season, would help keep his asking price down in the offseason...


As for Miller, he is a serviceable 4th liner, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if we let him walk after this season. There are other guys within the system that can play 4th line, kill penalties, block shots, are younger, faster, and would cost less...

#2638977 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 10:47 AM

Frank, 4th line grinders are a dime a dozen, especially those that have yet to skate a single minute in an NHL game...


People really need to stop with this "work-ethic" bulls*** on Jurco. There is absolutely nothing that would indicate that he isn't willing to work hard. Blashill said he needs to be able to skate harder? Key word there is "able". I'm sure he is more than willing to put in the work, but his back really hasn't allowed him to work-out or play to his full potential this season, as well as the latter half of last season. Let's hope his back is healing and he can put all this behind him. The issues he's been having with his back, that is why he's struggled to get into games, that is why he was sent down on a conditioning stint, not because he has a "poor work ethic"... You cannot send a waiver eligible player down on a conditioning stint, to "get it together and get his work ethic going" or to work on "some flaws"...

#2638960 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 07:00 AM

Great post PVD. That's precisely how I feel about the whole situation as well. Jurco was mishandled in that he was struggling to stay in the lineup in his sophomore season, and still being waiver exempt, he should have been sent down, but he wasn't. How anyone thinks that he was better served as a 12th/13th forward for the Wings rather than a top line forward for the Griffins is beyond me... But like you said, just because he was mishandled and has struggled to crack the lineup, doesn't mean he can't / won't overcome that. He definitely will, he's still very young.


At the very least, Jurco will be a very good 3rd line guy, though I still believe he has top line potential at the NHL level. But whether Jurco develops into that top line power-forward that we all want him to become, or he turns out to be that 3rd line forward that some seem to think he'll become, that's up to him, and he will get paid accordingly. There is one fact though, Jurco is much more valuable to the Red Wings going forward than he would be in a trade today. So people saying we should trade him or even worse, waive him :rolleyes: it's not going to happen, nor should it...

#2638946 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 November 2015 - 11:05 PM

Buppy, I'm not making excuses. I'm just calling it as I see it. I have to ask though, where are you getting your information from? There's not much correlation between what you're saying and what I'm seeing. Not saying your information isn't correct but it's not at all what I'm getting. Maybe my information is off...

Also, are you using a total ice time for all three seasons? Because he only played 725 minutes last season and your numbers aren't adding up. If you are totaling all three seasons that's not accurate to what I'm arguing at all. My point is, he played with good linemates in his rookie season, but didn't nearly as much in year two, which is what I illustrated in my previous post.

By the way, he has been just as "moderately productive" as any of those 4th liners despite not being that type of player / comfortable in that type of role.

Jurco always seems to be the first to get demoted or scratched despite hardly ever being close to the worst player on any given night. I'm assuming it's because he's the kid. It's easier to sit the kid than one of the veterans...

Those people that would argue that the quality in the CHL is as good or better than the NCAA... would be wrong. College hockey is a much more structured game than that of the run and gun style in the CHL, in particular the QMJHL (which is where Jurco played).

#2638863 Ferraro on waivers

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 November 2015 - 12:44 PM

Not a huge loss by any stretch, but this should have been Andersson. However, if it were I bet Boston wouldn't have claimed him anyway...

#2638857 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 November 2015 - 12:22 PM

Jacksoni, that was on a more serious note? Really? First of all, he's on a conditioning stint, so the max he can stay down there is 2 weeks, so there's no "as long as it takes, he's still young" bulls*** that you're spewing. Yeah, we should definitely "add him to the endless list of failures"... Unreal...

#2638574 Richards to return Friday; Athanasiou sent to GR

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 November 2015 - 09:29 AM

I agree, Richards looked really good for his first game back. I'd like to see something like...

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader
Richards - Datsyuk - Larkin
Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco
Miller - Helm - Glendening

#2638573 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 November 2015 - 09:23 AM

That was his second game back down there. He had one assist in his first game. 3 goals and 2 assists in 2 games. But it's obviously an issue with skill level, the kid just isn't that great at hockey. Please trade this soft euro before he gets a real shot to prove himself in the NHL...

#2638556 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 November 2015 - 12:37 AM

Berzeench, you have become the Brendan Smith of LGW... You've made so many boneheaded plays (posts) that even when you make a good play (post) it goes unnoticed, and everyone on LGW are just waiting for you to do (say) anything so they can chew you up...

Anyway, I agree with 100% here. Anyone that thinks Jurco has been given a fair shot since his rookie campaign when he was a staple on that third line, clearly haven't been paying attention. The kid has been in and out of the lineup more than anyone, and if he doesn't produce in one game he's out or bumped to the forth line. He's been on a shorter leash than any player on the team, when even when not producing provides much more than many on the team. Jurco is legit, and it's only a matter of time before he breaks into the league as a top 6 winger. This should be a huge confidence boost for him and he definitely needed it. Keep it going kid!

#2638553 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 November 2015 - 12:10 AM

No, Jurco isn't good at hockey. Trade him...

#2637743 Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

Posted by krsmith17 on 17 November 2015 - 10:36 PM

Here's our 5on5 CF% for the past 14 games. Things are obviously trending up. There's no question there was an adjustment period to get used to Blashill's system. Players are starting to figure it out and we're only going to continue to improve.

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#2637736 The suprising rise of Jakub Kindl

Posted by krsmith17 on 17 November 2015 - 10:15 PM

I feel bad for those of you that would prefer to "tank" than see their team make the playoffs every season. Nothing is guaranteed in tanking. Even finishing last overall doesn't guarantee the number one pick. And picking second or third doesn't guarantee a superstar. Sure it betters your chances but every year there are picks in the mid to late first that turn out to be better than someone in the top five. For every team that has tanked and has followed that up with success there are two or three teams that has tanked only to fail and have to do it all over again. I'll take the Red Wings way over any other team, but that's just my opinion...

#2637685 Day to Day Practice thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 17 November 2015 - 05:55 PM

Haven't seen this posted yet...
@AnsarKhanMLive: #redwings have assigned forward Tomas Jurco to Grand Rapids on conditioning assignment.

I'm kind of surprised there haven't been more questions / concerns expressed by Red Wings reporters regarding the whole Jurco situation. I know he was having back issues a few weeks ago but was that still an ongoing thing? Is that why he's been scratched every game? I'm hoping that's the case, and he goes down to GR for the next couple weeks, rips s*** up and regains a little confidence and gets going up in Detroit.

The kid has way too much skill to be sitting every game. There's no question that it's a confidence thing right now. Hopefully he gets back on track really soon.

#2636611 Surgery for Kyle Quincey

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 November 2015 - 01:18 PM

Wideman is not a player that Calgary would be looking for a significant return on, he definitely wouldn't garner a top six 30 goal scoring winger. He's 5th on their depth chart, Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie and Russell are all ahead of him. He's also overpaid with one year left on his contract. I would think it would cost a mid level prospect and early to mid round draft pick...