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#2567275 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 06:54 AM

Dickie, I get that you're not big on developing prospects and that you will always take the better player in a trade but there's no way you trade all of that potential for one top pairing defenseman... Sorry, but you're out to lunch if you think that's a good trade for us. Tatar is already a top 6 player on any team in the league, Mantha is the best prospect we've had in our system in years, has had success at every level he's played, and by all rights should become a legit power forward at the NHL level. And then on top of that, Ouellet has the potential to be a solid 2nd pairing defenseman. I think that trade MIGHT make us marginally better today, although I'm not even sure about that, seems how we're losing out scoring leader plus a solid up and coming third pairing guy, and we definitely 100% lose that trade 5, 10, 15 years from now... I'm not even sure I would do that trade for Weber or Ekblad (although I'd be very tempted) but for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, no way. He's a pretty good top pairing guy but he's nowhere near the top of my (never gonna get) dream list...

#2567187 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 04:00 PM

Dabura - Whether people want to admit it or not, Quincey is a solid player, and whether or not he's worth a first round pick is debatable. I think he is, or a 2nd at that very least. I mean, you're the one that doesn't seem to put much stock into draft picks, talking about that 18 year old, pimple faced kid, that we'd draft in the mid to late round, wouldn't get a shot for 5+ years anyway, if he even makes it...


Even if we signed Sutter and / or Parise, Holland would still be looking 5+ years into the future... I don't get how that would change. Parise is definitely over-paid but Sutter is one of the top defenders in the league. Any team would take him, even at that cap-hit.


He traded one of our better prospects because Joakim Andersson was our number one center. Did he over-pay? Absolutely. Was it necessary? I believe it was. The streak may not mean much to you or many other fans, but it sure as hell means a lot to the players, management, the Ilitch's, and the appreciative fan base.


Holland has pursued a lot of UFA's but has never been willing to overpay for them. If he really wanted any of the players you listed, he could have had them by simply over-paying like every other GM had to do to get them. But he chose not to pay ridiculous prices because like I've been saying, he was focused on the future and did not want to handicap the team going forward.


I have no problem trading away one of our promising defense prospects like Ouellet in a package, but it has to be at the right time and for the right player. Like I said, I don't think we're a Yandle away from being a true contender... yet. I think we will be there this time next year. So for this year, I go after one of the smaller fish like Petry or Michalek, that would only cost a pick and or a middling prospect.


Eventually we're going to land one of these big names in Free Angency, but not simply because it's our time, and eventually you have to. It's because, like I previously stated, after this season, seeing what this team is capable of, players will be wanting to sign here. It's not that easy to get the biggest name guys to sign with your team when you've been struggling to make the playoffs for a few years in a row...


Yandle is for the first time ever, known to be available? Really? He has been in rumors leading up to the trade deadline for the past what? Three seasons? Every year, the Wings are going to trade for Keith Yandle. Well guess what? It hasn't happened the past few years and I guarantee it won't happen this year either.


I wouldn't trade away assets this season, and I'd hold out hope that we can land Franson in the offseason. I think he's a real possibility for us and he's the type of player Holland should go all-in after, within reason of course...


It's funny how you bring up the fact that in 5+ years Datsyuk won't be here, Zetterberg will be a shell of the player he is today, and Nyquist, Tatar and DeKeyser will be making serious money, but fail to point out the growth of Nyquist, Tatar and DeKeyser as well as all the other kids in that time, not to mention Datsyuk's cap coming off the books. I get it, Pav and Hank are elite players and they will be tough to replace, but I think we have a few guys that are capable of filling their skates, and even if they don't quite get to that elite status, we should have a much deeper team that we can fill the void by committee... We lost Lidstrom right? No one thought we'd get through that loss, but the Red Wings keep proving everyone wrong, even much of their fan base...


No, none of those players are key contributors for us right now, but almost all of them will be in the future. I'm okay with trading Marchenko, but no way do I trade Sproul, which is the player they would want. I also wouldn't be surprised if Maloney said it's Mantha or Larkin or no Yandle, which is when I hang up the phone.


I do believe we can win a Cup with mostly a fully home-grown roster, and I bet Holland does too. Why would we want to make that a thing? Why wouldn't we?...

#2567130 Franzen on IR

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 11:42 AM

I think that goes for just about everyone Kip. I've always been a believer and supporter in Holland but there's no way I can sit here and say that I've never questioned any of his moves / personel decisions... He's made quite a few that I haven't liked and I'm sure he'll make quite a few more that I won't like. No GM is perfect, but Ken Holland is prettyf****** brilliant when it comes to managing his team.

I actually didn't mind the Quincey signing and I like it now. I didn't mind the Cleary signing and I still don't. I hated the Tootoo signing from beginning to end, same goes for the Samuelsson signing, but that was worse than I even anticipated... I think the big thing though, is that all of these were basically stop gaps to get us through before the kids were ready.

"In Kenny we trust"...

#2567126 Franzen on IR

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 11:04 AM

Andersson is a scrub. I place him slightly above Nestrasil, only because he's a decent penalty killer. I fully expect him to be the odd man out next season, either playing in Grand Rapids or with another club. No big loss. To say he has more value than Franzen is laughable. You can hate on Franzen all you want, it doesn't change the fact that, when healthy he can contribute on any given night. Is he streaky? Absolutely. But that's part of the package. I don't believe we need him to win games, and I would welcome a trade, but he is in no way, a player we NEED to get rid of...


Holland waives Nestrasil to make room for the better player, Jurco, and people ***** because we lose an "asset". If Holland were to send Jurco down and keep Nestrasil on the team, people would ***** that he is not icing his best players... Holland just can't win with some fans... Oh well...

#2566799 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 January 2015 - 06:43 PM

I think Larkin will make the jump to the American League in 2-3 years when he's 20-21, and then make the Wings roster full time when he's 22-23.

Jimmy, I think Datsyuk will still be here in 5 years, but that's not to say he'll be our number one center. I think that's very unlikely, even for Pav...

#2566742 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 January 2015 - 02:25 PM

If I offered you $1,000,000 today OR $0.01 today, doubling each day for 30 days... Which would you take?... 95% of LGWers take the million up front, I'm just glad Holland would take the penny...


Holland wouldn't make any combination of a deal there. Sure, making that deal makes us better today, but we take a huge hit in the future...

#2566705 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 January 2015 - 10:20 AM

Kip, I never compared O'Reilly to Helm, I compared him to what I believe Sheahan will become within a year or two. I think Sheahan is a second line center and will be a really good one, at what I think will be a cheaper price, in a couple years. I'm not saying that 6 million is crazy over-payment, but as you admit, it is over-payment, and I agree with Son of a Wing in that he will demand more money or go to a team that will pay him after his current contract is up. It would obviously take more than Helm and Larkin to get him here and Colorado are looking for help on defense, so maybe Smith, Helm and Larkin. I know you would be completely okay with that, but that is huge over-payment in my opinion.


You talk about our future top 5 centers being O'Reilly, Athanasiou, Sheahan, Nosek and Glendening and talk about how they're all fast, tenacious, hard working and strong on the puck, but that right there is what describes Larkin's game to a tee. You say how O'Reilly should be a good two-way center that puts up 60 points, but that's exactly what Larkin should be capable of as well. So why give up the extra assets for something that you already have in the system? To help the transition after Datsyuk and Zetterberg retire? I honestly believe that is a good 5 years away, and by that time Larkin will be the same age as O'Reilly is now, and well on his way. Don't get me wrong, I would like to have O'Reilly on this team, but I like having the home grown kid, plus Helm and Smith more...

#2566681 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 January 2015 - 07:54 AM

Yup, pretty damn funny isn't it? At some point, I'd like to sit down and read the whole thread for a good chuckle...


Some people just need to troll... Funny how the only person who "Liked" the OP's rant was fat guy in a maltby jersey...


These are the same people that are lingering around GDT's at the beginning of games when we go down by a goal or two, but mysteriously fade into the abyss when we score a couple to tie it, and eventually go on to win the game...


******* Hilarious... :lol:

#2566680 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 January 2015 - 07:28 AM

Dickie, like I've been saying since this conversation started, obviously I would trade either of these guys for a super-star talent in his early 20's, that's a no brainer, but those guys just aren't available. How difficult is that to understand? For what Holland is likely to be looking for / likely to get in a trade, a.k.a. a 2nd-3rd pairing right handed defenseman (even that's questionable) all of these guys are off the table. There's no way we land a Tavares or Seguin type player in a trade. Not gonna happen.


As for O'Reilly, I agree with nawein. I think he's a solid two-way center, but I wouldn't trade Larkin plus the other assets it would take to get him. For one, you're the one always saying we need to trade Weiss or Helm in a package for a winger or defenseman because we have too many centers, forcing them to play out of their natural position. Why would you now want to add another center, for a player who (I think) has a higher ceiling, plus other assets? It just doesn't make sense to me. That's making an unnecessary trade, just to make a trade in my opinion. Not to mention, as good as I believe O'Reilly to be, I do think he's overpaid, and on a good team, he's a second line center at best.


It's pretty crowded down the middle right now and I think we already have our O'Reilly in Sheahan. He has played over 300 more games at the same age, but I see them rounding out to be very similar type players. Both, great two-way players, and I believe Sheahan will provide similar offense and be a solid 50-60 point guy within a year or two.

#2566589 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 January 2015 - 02:18 PM

gcom077, I agree. But the reason I believe in these kids, isn't because of highly touted they were on draft day, and not because we found some late round gems. Sure we have great scouts, but more than that, we know how to develop players. Not a single player is ever given anything, every inch has to be earned. That is why our young guys like Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, etc. are playing so well, and that is why I believe that guys like Mantha, Athanasiou, Sproul, etc. will be able to step in and make an impact right away. They're not being rushed into the NHL and they are learning how to do things the Red Wing way, down in Grand Rapids. I don't think our kids would be as good as they are today if they didn't spend so much time down in Grand Rapids rounding out their game. I also think Jurco may have been rushed in a little too soon, and his development has been stunted a little. I think he will be fine, but some more time with the Griffins could have done him some good.

#2566547 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 January 2015 - 07:34 AM

There's no way we should trade either of these guys unless we're offered a trade that we cannot refuse, which won't happen. These guys aren't going anywhere and for good reason. They're two of our highest picks since Marty Lapointe, back in '91, both of these guys have future franchise player potential. Keep all of our young guys and prospects, stay the course, and we will once again be a annual Stanley Cup contender. Kenny has been patient with his players for his entire tenure, there's no reason to believe that would change. I don't think there's any chance he trades, Mantha, Larkin, Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Athanasiou, not at this point anyway. There value is only going to increase, so why not see what you have with these young guys before you decide which one's are keepers or which one(s) to ship out.

#2566157 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 January 2015 - 02:25 PM

What is this fixation in pointing out that so and so didn't play in Europe so it's not the same situation?... The point is that every player develops at a different pace, some much later than others. To go along with the generalization that you're using in saying that he won't make it because so and so didn't make it taking the same route, you're now saying that European's in general don't want to play third pairing minutes in the NHL, and that they would rather be the go to guy in Europe?... Come on man, that's ridiculous. Who's to say that it wasn't Patrik Hersley's lifelong goal to one day play in the NHL? I'm not saying it was, but for you to say it wasn't, is way off base.


You're reaching here, and for what? Again, no one here is saying "We Need To Sign This Guy", "He Is For Sure The Real Deal". People (myself anyway) are just saying that it wouldn't be the worst idea to give him a look in the offseason. Really, what's the harm in inviting him to training camp and if he impresses, and he's willing, signing him to a two-way contract? None...

#2566136 LA puts Mike Richards on waivers

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 January 2015 - 12:53 PM

How do you not see that Kip? Mike Richards is far superior to Tomas Jurco and Teemu Pulkkinen... Richards won a World Junior Gold, an Olympic Gold and two Stanley Cups... What the f*** have those two chumps done? And Danf****** Cleary and Johanf****** Franzen are awwwwful... :rolleyes:

#2566118 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 January 2015 - 09:00 AM

I don't get why it's so hard to grasp the fact that every player develops at different rates. Some hone their skills at a very young age, others take a little longer to develop. Their are a lot of cases over the years where players didn't play their first game in the NHL until their late 20's, even into their mid to late 30's, believe it or not. number9, you pointed out that St. Louis didn't start his career until his mid 20's, and yet as an undersized player that was always told he was too small to make the NHL, he went on to be an All-Star, Hart winning player, who in all likelihood will be inducted into the Hockey Hall Of Fame. Is it really that hard to believe that a player who is 28 years old, has good size, is one of the top defenders in arguably the second best league in hockey, can be a serviceable player at the NHL level? I don't think anyone including Ekmanc was saying that he is going to come over and put up ridiculous numbers, making Wings fans say "Lidstrom who?", but it is possible he could become a decent 3rd pairing, power-play specialist.


In saying all that, I wouldn't mind giving him an invite to training camp this summer, but I wouldn't just hand him a contract based on his numbers over in Europe (KHL / SHL). We have a few talented guys that should make their way onto the big club in the next couple years, so I don't really see a fit, but it never hurts to give the guy a look.

#2565823 Time for Teemu?

Posted by krsmith17 on 24 January 2015 - 05:34 PM

Agreed kliq, although I think you mean Kevin Shattenkirk, not Keith... :tounge: