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#2335252 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 05 December 2012 - 12:07 AM

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
NHL-NHLPA meeting over for the night. Meetings to resume early in the morning.

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
Steve Fehr: "constructive day, best day we've had but still work to be done."

Nick Cotsonika@cotsonika
Good signs: Daly, Steve Fehr stand side by side, say progress is being made, stay tight-lipped about details, say talks will continue.


#2335246 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 11:28 PM

i can see the headlines now:

"crosby and the pens save the nhl season"

No, I think the general idea is that team employees/management shouldn't be in contact with the players....not owners.


both owners and gm's have been barred from talking to players during this lockout. maybe bettman gave them the okay though


#2335199 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 03:26 PM

Only having been to the Joe for 8 games (long haul for me) - I can honestly say the sightlines the best...

That said - the seats are super cramped (my knees are usually in the ears of the fan sitting in front of me); the concourse is a disaster (where else must ya leave with 2 min left on the clock to ensure a 1st in line to the bathrooms, or to grab a beverage); there's only a handful of establishments nearby for before/after game festivities.

I've been to numerous arenas across the USA, and in Toronto; while they may lack the view of the ice that the Joe has - they are considerably better in other areas that fans may find enjoyable.


for me, the view of the ice is by far the most important thing to me. the other stuff i can deal with.

but then again i don't think i am the typical fan when it comes to going to sporting events. first off, i am smaller than the average person so the cramping of the seats isn't really a big deal for me. i usually don't buy food or beverage at the arena and i can usually hold off on the bathroom until after i leave the arena. when the game is over, i get the hell of out of detroit as fast as i can lol


#2335195 Does This Mean There Will Be No Wings WC Next Year?

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 03:13 PM

it's already been confirmed that the next winter classic is going to be played at the big house

The National Hockey League today announced the cancellation of the 2013 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic and 2012 SiriusXM Hockeytown Winter Festival. The NHL has confirmed that the next Winter Classic will be played at Michigan Stadium in Ann Arbor featuring the Detroit Red Wings and Toronto Maple Leafs and will include the Hockeytown Winter Festival at Comerica Park in Detroit.


http://redwings.nhl....ge.htm?id=84540


#2335191 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

I've got such mixed feelings about this. My brain knows that it will be great for downtown and the city in general, but my heart can't understand why hockey would be played anywhere other than JLA.


agreed. it's going to be so weird seeing the wings playing in an arena other than the joe

If Ilitch builds a new state of the art arena with the "old school" charm of what the Olympia had I bet many here won't feel so bad about leaving the Joe.


i just hope they can maintain the good sight lines that the joe has. i honesty don't care about all the new bells and whistles of a new arena. i just want to be able to get a good view of the game


#2335095 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 02 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

they have decided to meet and it only took 3 days to decide :sarcasm:

Aaron Ward@aaronward_nhl
Source,Meeting involving NHL Owners and Players to take place Tuesday with 6 Owners and approximately same number of players. #TSN


the bad news:

Elliotte Friedman@FriedgeHNIC
Owners -- Burkle (PIT), Chipman (WIN), Edwards (CAL), Jacobs (BOS), Tanenbaum (TOR), Vinik (TB).


nothing is going to get done with jacobs in the room. no Snider, Dolan, Molson, Rutherford, illitch or wirtz at the meeting is pretty telling. it will just be another wasted day at the office.


#2335079 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 01 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

John Shannon@JSportsnet
Told there is still no clear direction between the sides in setting up meeting.Also told decision might not be until Sunday. #tickticktick


this is ridiculous.

it should not take 48 hrs to decide to meet someone or not. the lack of urgency displayed by both sides during this entire lockout has been pathetic.


#2335056 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 30 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

if people want a single person to blame on the league side it should be jeremy jacobs, owner of the bruins and head of the negotiating committee. that guy is 10x worse than bettman is.


#2334844 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 28 November 2012 - 02:53 AM

This lockout to me at least is just bogus. Players offered to continue under the old CBA till a new one is finalized, league declined add to that the shameful lowball starting offer, I don't even have to think about whom to side with.

I watch the players not a bunch of havanna smoking CEO types, who aren't in this business to win it but to make a quick buck. I am glad the best owner in all of sports is against RS and all that crap just shows us how lucky we as Red Wings fans can be, to have such an outstanding person running the show. Let's not forget this is an owners - BOG? - lockout.

Yes, the money has to go to someone but I'd rather see it going to the guys who are giving their all each and every night, risking injuries and are working their asses off just to entertain us, instead of a bunch of "we are losing money" guys who at the same time are buying secondary mansions worth 20 m$.

Of course the players were willing to play under old CBA, They were raking in the money. if the players felt the same way about the current CBA as the owners do, we would have seen a strike. And with fehr's history of striking during the playoffs, there was no way the league was going to risk getting the playoffs (their biggest revenue making part of the season) wiped out. That would have given the players basically all the leverage. Back in 1992, bob goodenow led the players on a strike on the eve of the playoffs. Bettman was promptly brought in the following year.

I know that the players are the ones who put on the entertainment, but without the owners, the players wouldn't be able to put on that entertainment in the same capacity as we have now. They pay the players and they assume all the financial risks that comes along with putting the product out on the ice. Bottom line, the players and owners both need each other in order to survive and prosper.


#2334703 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 26 November 2012 - 12:54 AM

I hope more players speak out against Bettman. The owners should too.

So I hear the Leafs and Red Wings are against the Lockout and want to play. How many Leagues, when their two best teams wanting to play, aren't being listened to by the man they employ? If the Yankees and Red Sox don't agree with a Lockout, Selig would listen. If the Lakers and Knicks don't agree with a Lockout, David Stern would listen. If the Patriots and Packers don't agree with a Lockout, Roger Goodell would listen. Only in the NHL would a little twerp go against what his two richest teams are saying. It's one of the reasons why ESPN told the NHL "nuts to you", and NBC Sports and all the major American TV Networks will do the same thing.

The NHL is going to rot. The only way I think the Owners can save the League is if they fire Bettman. I don't see how he can continue as commish after all this, and how he could present another Stanley Cup without starting a riot in the building when fans try and get him. He'll either start a riot, or he'll hear crickets chirping because the arena will be empty.


nobody knows for sure who is for or against this lockout. everything else has simply been speculation and assumptions.

i just find it laughable how so many people think that bettman is the sole reason for these lockouts. the owners have to love the fact that he takes all the beating and they get off without a shred of criticism.


#2334670 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 24 November 2012 - 10:46 PM

Lack of CBA does not necessarily eliminate the perks listed above. But it would mean that each player would need to negotiate contract with the club very carefully and make sure that everything CBA used to cover is spelled out explicitly.


owners might be willing to dole out those perks for the superstar guys but i doubt they give them to the 3rd/4th line guys. lack of a cba would hurt them the most

Personally I'd love it, it would mean once again 30 own businesses instead of a roof holding NHL and finally very very very very nice UFA and draft days again.

For us as Red Wings fans the best owner in hockey would be finally able to throw around his wealth again, or does anyone think we would be bystanders watching other teams getting the best players? Don't kid yourself if the owners are getting their will this time, they are going to ask for 60/40 and more ludacrist contract restrictions the next time, so if they want to play hardball I am happy that the players are going to do so to.

I thinkk as Red Wings Fans we would really really benefit from that :-)


there would be no draft. all the top prospects would go to the highest bidder. the red wings would no doubt benefit from no cba, but the nhl wouldn't survive in the long run


#2334539 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 22 November 2012 - 12:33 AM

It is obvious who is responsible for all the lockouts. Only a handful of around 700 current players were even around the first time (which would have ended up in a lost season without a Champion engraved on the Cup if it was up to Bettman which it was the last time and this time), Fehr wasn't here the previous times and neither were some of the owners.
How can anybody blame anybody else???


because both sides have not negotiated in good faith during this process.

off the top of my head

players refused to negotiate in january when the owners wanted to and then they dragged their feet on putting forth proposals after their original offer in august. plus, you have don fehr showing up hours late to cba meetings and witholding/misleading information from the players regarding nhl proposals

on the owners side they put forth an insulting lowball offer to start these negotiations with no concessions from the owners. They have at several times throughout this process refused to meet without preconditions. The nhl complained that the pa wasn't coming up with a proposal but when the pa finally did come up with a proposal, the nhl only took 10 minutes to reject all of them.


#2334498 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 21 November 2012 - 02:37 PM

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
I lied. I'm back. Good catch by @KatieStrangESPN on this: In yrs 2 thru 5, players’ share in dollars may not be less than previous yr.

NHL will find this problematic. Goes back towards "guaranteeing" dollars. In a linked-to-revenue system, those guarantees have not existed.

Nick Cotsonika@cotsonika
PA proposal doesn't just hurt owners for a bad year. It hurts them for a GOOD year. If revenues spike one year, it costs them the next.

Do players want a team in Quebec City? Say NHL goes there and revs spike temporarily. Now owners have to keep it up.

If this proposal became CBA, owners might work to smooth out revenues year to year, hurting growth and both sides.


devil is always in the details


#2334492 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 21 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

Nick Cotsonika@cotsonika
If revenues go down, the players' percentage will go up in the future, under this proposal.


don't think owners will be fond of this


Here's an interesting tidbit from the offer

Chris Nichols@Nichols_NHLPool
Part of #NHLPA proposal is inclusion of a free agency interview period. That, IMO, would be significant benefit to both teams and players.




#2334319 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 19 November 2012 - 10:41 PM

I agree we should be pro hockey, I just do not agree with Bettman's bargaining tactics, and his my way or the highway attitude. I like the fact that Fehr is standing strong for the players. Now do I think this lockout is stupid and pointless? Of course I do, both sides are being greedy, this should have been the easiest CBA ever, but I fall more on favouring the players here. They were guaranteed these contracts, now the owners are crying that they signed them, go fly a kite!


i don't like bettman either and i hope he is gone soon after the next cba is signed. but i don't let the hate cloud my judgement and i certainly don't let it support players who call out the head nhl guys idiots and cancer as somehow being the right thing to do. it's unprofessional and does nothing positive whatsoever for getting hockey back.