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#2335547 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 06 December 2012 - 11:54 PM

tsn guys talking about where talks go from here

Dreger said "there are players and agents that believe fehr is trying to crash this deal"

#2335535 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 06 December 2012 - 10:56 PM

fehr really messed up today and it may cost the players a ton of money.

owners made it clear that they didn't want him in the room today but he insisted on being in there and he wanted mediators there as well. all this despite the fact that significant progress was made the last 2 days without him and bettman in there (i don't think that's a coincidence). then 2 hrs later fehr proclaims to the media that this lockout is essentially over, only to have it blow up in his face a few minutes later on live tv. All indications pointed to a lot of players wanting to put the deal that the owners tabled to the entire pa for a vote but fehr advised against it.

that said the owners are being equally stupid with their take it or leave it approach to negotiating. there was no reason bettman had to come out and take everything off the table today. does anyone truly believe it's off the table anyways? I also don't like how the owners and bettman appear to have refused to start up negotiations again. i guess they are still too busy having their little hissy fits

Helene St. James@HeleneStJames
NHL has told PA there will be no meetings Friday. #NHLLockout

my fear now is what cherry brought up

Don Cherry@CoachsCornerCBC
Your way and the doves put an extra 100 million on the table and when the association said ok but... The doves turned into hawks themselves

I believe the hardliners said to the doves ok we did it your way and the association thinks we are weak.. Now we'll do it our way.

if that's the case and jacobs is back in control, this season is toast.

but the bottom line is both sides hate each other with a burning passion and both sides are acting like morons and until that changes, no season will be played

#2335515 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 06 December 2012 - 08:37 PM

oh boy

Scottie Upshall@ScottieUpshall
There's no pressure yet on the owners to lose this year, that's why they still treat us like Cattle. They'll need a partner come January.

if this is the attitude of the players and fehr, they are going to be in for a rude awakening. these nhl owners are a different breed than other pro sports owners

#2335479 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 06 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

either fehr pissed of the moderates owners so much that these negotiations are going back into the hands of the hardliners or fehr really put some pr spin on his proposal.

#2335426 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 06 December 2012 - 03:38 PM

I guess I took it more as a sign of the NHLPA feeling like the league is still not negotiating properly, but I definitely like your interpretation better.

either that or it's a stall tactic by fehr. neither one would surprise me

#2335252 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 05 December 2012 - 12:07 AM

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
NHL-NHLPA meeting over for the night. Meetings to resume early in the morning.

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
Steve Fehr: "constructive day, best day we've had but still work to be done."

Nick Cotsonika@cotsonika
Good signs: Daly, Steve Fehr stand side by side, say progress is being made, stay tight-lipped about details, say talks will continue.

#2335246 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 11:28 PM

i can see the headlines now:

"crosby and the pens save the nhl season"

No, I think the general idea is that team employees/management shouldn't be in contact with the players....not owners.

both owners and gm's have been barred from talking to players during this lockout. maybe bettman gave them the okay though

#2335199 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 03:26 PM

Only having been to the Joe for 8 games (long haul for me) - I can honestly say the sightlines the best...

That said - the seats are super cramped (my knees are usually in the ears of the fan sitting in front of me); the concourse is a disaster (where else must ya leave with 2 min left on the clock to ensure a 1st in line to the bathrooms, or to grab a beverage); there's only a handful of establishments nearby for before/after game festivities.

I've been to numerous arenas across the USA, and in Toronto; while they may lack the view of the ice that the Joe has - they are considerably better in other areas that fans may find enjoyable.

for me, the view of the ice is by far the most important thing to me. the other stuff i can deal with.

but then again i don't think i am the typical fan when it comes to going to sporting events. first off, i am smaller than the average person so the cramping of the seats isn't really a big deal for me. i usually don't buy food or beverage at the arena and i can usually hold off on the bathroom until after i leave the arena. when the game is over, i get the hell of out of detroit as fast as i can lol

#2335195 Does This Mean There Will Be No Wings WC Next Year?

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 03:13 PM

it's already been confirmed that the next winter classic is going to be played at the big house

The National Hockey League today announced the cancellation of the 2013 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic and 2012 SiriusXM Hockeytown Winter Festival. The NHL has confirmed that the next Winter Classic will be played at Michigan Stadium in Ann Arbor featuring the Detroit Red Wings and Toronto Maple Leafs and will include the Hockeytown Winter Festival at Comerica Park in Detroit.


#2335191 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by chances14 on 04 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

I've got such mixed feelings about this. My brain knows that it will be great for downtown and the city in general, but my heart can't understand why hockey would be played anywhere other than JLA.

agreed. it's going to be so weird seeing the wings playing in an arena other than the joe

If Ilitch builds a new state of the art arena with the "old school" charm of what the Olympia had I bet many here won't feel so bad about leaving the Joe.

i just hope they can maintain the good sight lines that the joe has. i honesty don't care about all the new bells and whistles of a new arena. i just want to be able to get a good view of the game

#2335095 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 02 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

they have decided to meet and it only took 3 days to decide :sarcasm:

Aaron Ward@aaronward_nhl
Source,Meeting involving NHL Owners and Players to take place Tuesday with 6 Owners and approximately same number of players. #TSN

the bad news:

Elliotte Friedman@FriedgeHNIC
Owners -- Burkle (PIT), Chipman (WIN), Edwards (CAL), Jacobs (BOS), Tanenbaum (TOR), Vinik (TB).

nothing is going to get done with jacobs in the room. no Snider, Dolan, Molson, Rutherford, illitch or wirtz at the meeting is pretty telling. it will just be another wasted day at the office.

#2335079 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 01 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

John Shannon@JSportsnet
Told there is still no clear direction between the sides in setting up meeting.Also told decision might not be until Sunday. #tickticktick

this is ridiculous.

it should not take 48 hrs to decide to meet someone or not. the lack of urgency displayed by both sides during this entire lockout has been pathetic.

#2335056 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 30 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

if people want a single person to blame on the league side it should be jeremy jacobs, owner of the bruins and head of the negotiating committee. that guy is 10x worse than bettman is.

#2334844 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 28 November 2012 - 02:53 AM

This lockout to me at least is just bogus. Players offered to continue under the old CBA till a new one is finalized, league declined add to that the shameful lowball starting offer, I don't even have to think about whom to side with.

I watch the players not a bunch of havanna smoking CEO types, who aren't in this business to win it but to make a quick buck. I am glad the best owner in all of sports is against RS and all that crap just shows us how lucky we as Red Wings fans can be, to have such an outstanding person running the show. Let's not forget this is an owners - BOG? - lockout.

Yes, the money has to go to someone but I'd rather see it going to the guys who are giving their all each and every night, risking injuries and are working their asses off just to entertain us, instead of a bunch of "we are losing money" guys who at the same time are buying secondary mansions worth 20 m$.

Of course the players were willing to play under old CBA, They were raking in the money. if the players felt the same way about the current CBA as the owners do, we would have seen a strike. And with fehr's history of striking during the playoffs, there was no way the league was going to risk getting the playoffs (their biggest revenue making part of the season) wiped out. That would have given the players basically all the leverage. Back in 1992, bob goodenow led the players on a strike on the eve of the playoffs. Bettman was promptly brought in the following year.

I know that the players are the ones who put on the entertainment, but without the owners, the players wouldn't be able to put on that entertainment in the same capacity as we have now. They pay the players and they assume all the financial risks that comes along with putting the product out on the ice. Bottom line, the players and owners both need each other in order to survive and prosper.

#2334703 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by chances14 on 26 November 2012 - 12:54 AM

I hope more players speak out against Bettman. The owners should too.

So I hear the Leafs and Red Wings are against the Lockout and want to play. How many Leagues, when their two best teams wanting to play, aren't being listened to by the man they employ? If the Yankees and Red Sox don't agree with a Lockout, Selig would listen. If the Lakers and Knicks don't agree with a Lockout, David Stern would listen. If the Patriots and Packers don't agree with a Lockout, Roger Goodell would listen. Only in the NHL would a little twerp go against what his two richest teams are saying. It's one of the reasons why ESPN told the NHL "nuts to you", and NBC Sports and all the major American TV Networks will do the same thing.

The NHL is going to rot. The only way I think the Owners can save the League is if they fire Bettman. I don't see how he can continue as commish after all this, and how he could present another Stanley Cup without starting a riot in the building when fans try and get him. He'll either start a riot, or he'll hear crickets chirping because the arena will be empty.

nobody knows for sure who is for or against this lockout. everything else has simply been speculation and assumptions.

i just find it laughable how so many people think that bettman is the sole reason for these lockouts. the owners have to love the fact that he takes all the beating and they get off without a shred of criticism.