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#2535324 Expansion draft - how many players can each team protect ?

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 01 September 2014 - 02:09 PM

 
I'd say they'd protect Mrazek. Can't really see an expansion team drafting Howard.

I think Howard would be exactly what any expansion team is looking for. He is a very reliable veteran goalie.


#2535396 Who would you take in a shootout for the Wings?

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 02 September 2014 - 06:20 PM

Who? jason williams? lol

 

Ah, Bert?




#2535243 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 30 August 2014 - 04:31 PM

I thought this thread was about Alfie?

Don't be ridiculous, all threads are about Cleary.


#2534934 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by vladdy16 on 26 August 2014 - 09:37 AM

It's great to make the playoffs, but let's win some Cups... Yes, 23 years in a row is AMAZING, but the Blackhawks have 2 Cups in their current run, the Kings have 2 Cups in their current run. Yes, we have 4 during ours and 6 appearances. Remember, in our first six years of the streak, we had 0 Cups and only 1 appearance... Creating an elite, winning culture is great and maintaining it will be increasingly difficult in the current NHL. I question whether of not Holland is the guy to do it. Look at how Yzerman has adapted in Tampa Bay or at how Nill has adapted in Dallas, why hasn't Detroit made any changes?

 

 

 

I don't think anyone is arguing against constructive criticism, but the absolute vitriol that spews on this board sometimes usually is frustrating most all level-headed fans and we're getting a little trigger happy.

 

Another thing I'm getting a little tired of is comparing Holland to Yzerman and/or Nill.  Apples and oranges.  The Lightening and Stars had almost nowhere to go but up to begin with.  They also aren't facing the same adversity as Holland - little cap space and an unwillingness to trade with the Wings.  These are pretty sizable barriers to contend with.  Also, neither has the pressure from the fans that the Wings organization has.  I'm not a Holland fanboy by any means, but let's be reasonable.

And since neither Nill or Yzerman is available to Detroit, what's a better option than Holland at this point?




#2534927 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by TheXym on 25 August 2014 - 09:44 PM

Great post, krsmith!

You've hit a lot of the salient points that beeded hitting. I actually think this streak is more impressive than the Bruins' streak because they never had to contend with the salary cap the Wings do. Maintaining their level of success from the pre salary cap era to now is impressive, and to sustain it is moreso, imho.

Today's NHL has been striving for parity amongst teams for years, and the case could be made that, as a result, it has, in some ways, become a parody of itself. Ken Holland has done a good job steering the Wings through the transition period, despite everything.

I wouldn't be surprised if the cost of a trade is higher for the the Wings with any given team than anyone else because so many folks seem to want to see the Wings fail, and no GM wants to be blamed for being the guy that helped the Wings climb back on top.

The injuries the Wings have had the last few years were ridiculous, and at this point, it almost feels like probability is swinging back towards a healthy Wings squad this year.

Kr and Dabura have both made great points, and the negativity is getting old. Am I happy about the Cleary signing? No, but I can respect why Ken did it (MUCH better than how the Sharks crapped on Thornton and Marleau, and I'm no fan of either, but that was bush league). I am hoping Cleary plays well in the games he's in (that ice bucket video was top notch). The prospect pool is the best I've seen since I started watching the Wings back in 1983 as a 12 year old. The future is bright, imho, and the team is going to hit an upswing soon. Let's enjoy the ride.


#2534906 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by krsmith17 on 25 August 2014 - 08:11 AM

I really wish people would stop with this, "well we haven't done ANYTHING in the past 5 years", blah, blah, blah... How many times does it have to be said and how the hell is it not obvious to some of you that the Detroit Red Wings are in the midst of their second rebuild in the past two decades, without once missing the playoffs?... That is not that impressive at all... I mean, most teams in the league have done that haven't they?... NOPE, not even close... The Wings streak is at 23 consecutive seasons without missing the playoffs, after that there is the Sharks at 10, Penguins at 8, Bruins 7, Blackhawks 6, Kings 5, Rangers 4, Blues 3, and no other team has made the playoffs more than the past 2 seasons straight. That is absolutely insane when you actually think about it... To continue to make the playoffs for this long, through two rebuilds is nothing short of astonishing, and I'm willing to bet that the Wings make it at least another 7 years to beat the Boston Bruins 29 year playoff streak from '67-'96.

 

People that do not see the brightness at the end of this tunnel, that has been the past 5 years, are pessimists to their truest form. How can you not be thrilled as a Red Wings fan, not only because of the "stupid, not-at-all-impressive streak", but because of all of the talent that we have coming up over the next few seasons.

 

To say that there is no way that Jurco can turn out to be as good as Datsyuk is very bleak in my opinion. Jurco has accomplished more than Datsyuk had accomplished at the tender age of 21. Jurco has already got his first taste of NHL action and played quite well for a rookie, while Datsyuk wasn't even drafted until he was 20 and didn't play his first season in the NHL until he was 23. They both have great hands, obviously Pav gets the edge there though since he has better hands than anyone that has ever played the game. Jurco definitely has the size advantage, as he is 3 inches taller and already closing in on 200 lbs., whereas Pav is around the same now but came into the league as a rookie somewhere between 175-180 lbs.

 

I also think that Nyquist has the potential to become somewhat of a Zetterberg lite. Nyquist is slightly behind Zetterberg in production at the same age but he does have a slightly better point percentage. In Zetterberg's first two seasons he put up 87 points in 140 games, 0.621 points per game, while in Nyquist' first three partial seasons, he put up 61 points in 97 games, 0.628 points per game. Gus has the same drive and determination that makes Hank such a world class player, and he also seems to have the same type of leadership qualities. They're both approximately the same height and weight when they were the same age, while Hank has put on some muscle over the years, Gus still has plenty of room to grow as well.

 

The Wings definitely have a few potential future stars up front in Nyquist, Jurco and Mantha, but to go along with that I think we have much more depth coming than we have ever had before. Sheahan, Tatar, Pulkkinen and Athanasiou are all potential top 6 players, and Nastasiuk, Bertuzzi and Callahan could be great 3rd and 4th line players. I'm not quite sure where Janmark, Nosek, and Frk will fit in but they're quality players as well. Then you have guys like Larkin and Turgeon that we just drafted that I think could be along their way in about five years as well.

 

On the back end we also have a few potential future stars in Smith, DeKeyser and Sproul as well as guys like Ouellet, Backman, Marchenko and Jensen. And of course between the pipes, we have Mrazek coming along quite nicely, and he could be a future top 5 goalie in this league.

 

I realize that all of this, as of right now, is just "potential" but with as many high end prospects that we have, at least a few of them have to turn into quality players. We have one of the best prospect pools in the entire league because we have one of the best general managers in the league, as well as top scouts and development teams in the league (credit to Holland for putting this management team together). I'll never understand some of the constant negative attitudes in here, but to each their own. What a boring forum this would be without you guys lol.




#2535142 potential team names for las vegas!

Posted by derblaueClaus on 29 August 2014 - 07:46 AM

Las Vegas Hangovers




#2534749 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by number9 on 21 August 2014 - 11:56 PM

IMO this was always a freak accident. Sure Bertuzzi shouldn't have thrown the cheap shot, but there are plenty of on-par or worse cheap shots that have been thrown in the NHL. The only difference is this one happened to end with the unthinkable. The result was certainly not Bertuzzi's intention, just like no player intends to end a career when they go airborne on a hit, or throw an elbow, or slam a head into the boards, or uppercut an opponents face. The intent is always to harm, but never this. The problem is 1/somelargenumber end up like this. That's the reality of fast contact sports that condones fighting. I hope that moore can get what he needs, but I also don't think that Bertuzzi should be burned at the stake for his actions. This has been hashed out a million times, but It's late and I've been drinking.




#2438557 Report: NHL to have 5 outdoor games in 2014-15.

Posted by Dabura on 23 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

Can I have an outdoor game?




#2533265 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 29 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Two things I noticed when I watched that video that Hockeytown posted:
1) Almost all of Tatar's goals came within 6 feet of the net. Tatar may have Hudler's size, but he has Helm's heart.
2) Several of those goals came in the third period, during a tie game or the Wings down by a goal. I wasn't sure whether there was any statistical significance so I rewatched the vid and came up with these numbers:
Tatar scored 4 first period goals, 7 second period goals, and 8 third period goals. This is especially impressive because the Wings only scored 8 third period goals all year (joke). Anyway, of those 8 goals in the third, the Wings were down or tied in 6 of those occasions (more specifically meaning his goal either tied the game or put the Wings in the lead. The one exception was when the Wings were down 3-1 to the Habs, when Tatar scored to make it 3-2. Then again to make it 3-3. I originally wasnt going to include the first goal, but because he scored the second one to tie it as well I decided to keep it in.) I didn't do any actual statistical analyses so take what you want from these values, but at the very least there may to be a trend that this kid gets better as the game progresses. I don't know how to statistically analyze "clutchness", or more specifically what the actual definition of clutch is. Scoring anytime in the third? Last 10 minutes? Down by 1? By 2? Anyway, someone with a better grasp of stats and clutchness can tackle this one.


#2533227 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by number9 on 28 July 2014 - 09:32 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.


Also I still hate the "diesel" nickname


#2533226 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by dat's sick on 28 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.

You should probably look up what young 20 goal scorers get in this league these days. This is a good deal if he never gets more than 20, if he gets 25+ it's fantastic. It's also worth noting that Tatar is very much his own product, he hasn't been feeding off Dats or Z or the PP for his production.


#2533186 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 03:16 PM

I mean, in a full season Tatar's going to give you 20+ goals.  To me 20 goals is worth 2.75 million, every day of the week.  20+ goals and shutdown defense will get you 5 million plus.  Ask Kesler or O'Reilly. 

 

Tatar's getting paid what he should. 




#2532993 Hockey News: The 5 most evil hockey photoshops we could come up with

Posted by Euro_Twins on 25 July 2014 - 09:28 AM

Should have hired flashy to do the Photoshop.


#2533040 Babcock on using advanced stats

Posted by 55fan on 26 July 2014 - 08:34 AM

I was reading an article in The Hockey News in June and it was all about advanced stats like Fenwick and Corsi. The article said Datsyuk is the measuring stick for new stats as in if they test a new stat using him as an example and he doesn't do well, the stat doesn't hold up.
I wish I could find the original article online but I haven't been able to.

That's where I read it!  I remember reading something about Datsyuk and stats, but I couldn't remember what it was. 

 

Now we'll have to call him the Measuring Man.  Or the Standard Man.  Nah, Magic Man has a better ring to it.