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#2613461 2015 Draft

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 07 June 2015 - 08:48 PM


Arrogant? Blow things out of proportion much Frank?


From that article:


“I’m pretty confident in my own abilities,” Eichel told a throng of reporters and cameras Friday at the NHL Scouting Combine inside HarborCenter. “I know everyone’s making a big deal.” Eichel never intended to compare himself to McDavid, who will be picked first by the Edmonton Oilers. “It’s more of just confidence in my own self,” Eichel said.


Seems pretty down to earth to me, nothing wrong with confidence in oneself.



#2610727 The return of The Mule?

Posted by number9 on 27 May 2015 - 09:44 PM

Franzen will be back just so yall can b**** about his play for one more season

#2609659 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by Buppy on 22 May 2015 - 10:59 AM

To be fair, Fetisov was 31 when he came over. Kids these days need a little oppression, builds character. :)

#2609641 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 10:28 AM

Slava Fetisov, former Red Wing defenseman and star of the wildly popular documentary "Red Army", wants Russian law to ban Russian hockey players from coming to the U.S. before their 28th birthday. 


You'll recall Fetisov's story.  He bucked Soviet law preventing him from coming to the U.S. to play hockey, by refusing to play for their national team.  In the documentary he explained how he wanted to be free to make his own decisions, make his own money, and determine his own future, without being coerced by federal authorities. 


And now he's a federal authority.  And he's trying to restrict young players from having those very same liberties. 


Here's a thought Slava.  Rather than using a draconian legal system to force people to stay against their will, how's about you work toward reforming said legal system, and equally restrictive and authoritarian economic policies, so that people will WANT to stay in your s***ty country.  You are, after all, a Senator. 


What a dick.



#2608130 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by DatsyukianDekes on 16 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

I really like Babcock. 10 years is enough, and he hasn't done much lately. HIs Stanley cup and Olympic gold-medals were pretty much due to the fact that he was given the keys to the fastest car each time. Substitute other coaches for him in those scenarios and they are the winners.

I don't understand why people here have such a hard time realizing this.  

Because there is things called opinions. Does everyone have to agree with you?

Babs stays good for us. He leaves good for us we end up with Blashill. Let's not pretend Babs is a horrible coach and needs to go.

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#2608052 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kliq on 15 May 2015 - 07:16 PM

I am shocked that people that call themselves Red Wing fans, are actually hoping that if Babcock leaves, the Wings fail just to prove a point on a message board that Babcock was a good coach.

If you care more about "being right" then the Wings being successful, I don't think you are that big of a fan.


I hope Babs stays as I think he's a great coach. But if he leaves, I still want us to win. I care more about the Wings as a whole, then Babcock as an individual..

#2608019 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by marcaractac on 15 May 2015 - 04:35 PM

im starting to hope Babs leaves just so everyone saying they want him gone finally realizes how important he is to this franchise.

#2607489 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 13 May 2015 - 10:59 AM

Can we all stop with the political discussion.  I know that nobody means any harm, but this isn't really the place for it. 

#2604827 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 30 April 2015 - 12:09 AM

A Stanley Cup

#2605929 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by number9 on 04 May 2015 - 02:36 PM

The point is, Cole would have been a great pickup 5-7 years ago. Zidlicky is past his "trade for" date. I'm seeing Tyler Seguin get traded to Dallas, I'm seeing James Neil go to Nashville, I'm seeing Kenny miss out on Burns a few years ago, not knowing he was even on the block, for example, not saying these players are perfect fits for the Wings, but other teams are managing to get it done. Now that we have an actual farm system and young players, trade a few picks. 

Yeah? Who did you wanna give up to get those players? A lot of assets went the other way in all those trades

#2605818 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by number9 on 03 May 2015 - 10:08 PM

Blame Holland? Absolutely.

He deserves a ton of credit for supplying us with the deepest crop of prospects in the league and great cap position.

Kudos Holland.


When you're under the microscope it doesn't matter how much good you do, one small mistake and you're "losing your touch" two small mistakes and "OMG FIRE HIM NOW."


Nobody's perfect, but Holland's closer than most.

#2605694 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Guest on 03 May 2015 - 12:15 PM

Holland deserves blame for sticking with over the hill players (Weiss, Cleary, Samuelsson, Cole, Zidlicky etc.) WAY too long and not finding the players who are on the cusp of blossoming and acquiring them. Usually by the time a player becomes a UFA, they are over halfway done with their career and we pretty much know what they are going to be. Younger players aren't worried about self-preservation and "life after hockey" and they give you 100%. A player who is worried about his health long term and his investment portfolio might give you 95% but he is always subconsciously holding something back and being afraid of getting injured. Brendan Shanahan mentioned this in an interview I remembered and I thought it was an outstanding insight. And no, I don't have a link to it. It was in a thing called a newspaper.

Okay, so all he has to do is acquire young high level players on the cusp of greatness, pay them what they're worth, fit them all in under the salary cap and give them all the ice time they want.  SMH, why didn't Kenny  Holland think of this first!?!?!  I mean, get real.  Every team just can't wait to trade blossoming stars to the Red Wings.  No doubt, too, that they'd take Cleary, Zid or a 5th round pick for said players.


Not sure how he could have stuck with Cole and Zidlicky too long as he just acquired them at the trade deadline and Cole only played 7 games before being injured.  Weiss has had injury problems since he was signed as the #1 free agent available that year and hasn't been given ample opportunity by Babs to right the ship.  So I'm sure other teams are lining up and will give the Wings all those up and coming hungry young stars for him.  Cleary was kept around too long, but he rarely cracked the line up this year, and wasn't a horrible liability when he was in.  


When the Wings won the Cup in 2002, they weren't old, they were experienced, savvy veterans who knew how to win.  

#2605633 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Holmstrom96 on 02 May 2015 - 09:24 PM


How do you define "competitive"?  Making the playoffs every year and losing in the early round?


If so, then I agree that we're competitive.


Since when do we need to measure team success against Edmonton and Buffalo?   


How do you define "competitive"?  Winning the Stanley Cup every year?


Holland's Wings are competitive.  They win more than they lose.  They go to the playoffs, EVERY YEAR.  They're just a couple players away from a championship team.


There are 30 teams.  30 GMs.


53% chance of making the playoffs

27% chance of making it to the second round

13% chance of making it to the conference finals

7% chance of making it to the cup finals

3% chance of winning the cup


Under Holland since '97, this is how we've done:

100% - Made Playoffs

64% - made it to second round

31% - made it to conference finals

25% - made it to Stanley Cup finals

19% - won Stanley Cup



It's time for people to chill.  You can't always win, but damn, we sure do win more than we don't.

#2605008 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Nightfall on 30 April 2015 - 12:16 PM


The past was a long time ago.  Let it go.  


Wow, so our cup back in 08 and cup finals appearance in 09 was a "long time ago"?  Man, I wonder how Toronto feels with their last cup win.  Or Edmonton for that matter.  Heck, lets ask the Rangers how they feel since their last cup.

This really does show the level of entitlement that Wings fans have grown accustomed to over the course of the last 25 years.  Most teams have bandwagon fans.  The Wings have achieved a level of greatness where the bandwagon effect hasn't been measured because we have been good for so freaking long.


Now we are looking at Holland deserving blame for making the playoffs and not getting past the 2nd round since making it to the finals in 09.  When I see this attitude, I just shake my head in disbelief.  Is this really what some Wings fans have deteriorated to?  The salary cap era has made the playing field level.  No team is a slam dunk for a championship anymore. 


I will say this much.  Any new GM that comes in may have successes in some areas, but failures in others.  No GM is going to hit it out of the park on everything they do.  So while a new GM may have landed Parise and Suter for Detroit, he may have not gotten Dekeyser and wouldn't have gotten Hossa either because he wouldn't have had the money to get them all. 


I get it, Wings fans want a championship.  Its championship or bust mentality that really has to change though.  Only 1 team gets to win the Stanley Cup every year, and the favorite doesn't win it much of the time.  The sooner that we all realize that the Wings are just one of 16 teams in the playoffs and things have to go right for the team that wins it, the better off we will be.

#2605002 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by romagoth on 30 April 2015 - 12:12 PM

New to this board but been following it for awhile now.


I just can't understand the amount of hyperbole from some people regarding Holland. We are in an age of absolute parity in the NHL, this isn't the 50's and 60's when Montreal won 5 straight Cups. Making the playoffs is the goal now, because as we have seen anything can happen once the playoffs start (just look at the Kings last year). The days of winning the president's trophy and rolling through the playoffs year after year are over. Holland has made mistakes but he has still done a remarkable job with what he has been given.

So what, if we made the playoffs for 24 consecutive seasons (you don't get a trophy for it). Its not about making it to the playoffs, it's what you do in the playoffs that matters.

Go ahead and tell that to the 22 teams that didn't make the playoffs this year. I am thankful for our playoff streak, it gives me more Wings hockey into the spring/early summer while other fans are watching....baseball.