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#2555864 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2014 - 05:28 PM

I've still been waiting for someone to explain to me how it's totally acceptable to call out Ericsson for a giveaway that led to a goal, but if anybody brings up Howard doing the same thing they're just a "hater/basher".

 

I'm pretty sure it was the same game too. Ericsson in the 1st period, Howie later in the same game.

 

Then of course there is this article about the quality of Jimmy Howard's starts: http://www.wingingit...-quality-starts

 

One of the stats....Really Bad Starts!

 

I'm sure you guys will head over there and tell them how it's all bulls*** cuz it's just a made up stat and all...

 

Anyway, anybody wanna answer my question? I'd seriously love to have an answer.

 

Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal.  Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it.  Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are.  As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that.  What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light.  "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with.  Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not?  You?  And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at.  Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league.  But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies.  As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website:  Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage."  That's objective.  Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not.  The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion.

 

ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point.  They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win.  And it shows in their body language.  We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now.  Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa.  All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.




#2555730 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 11 December 2014 - 12:18 AM

How about we score MORE THAN ONE FREAKING GOAL. Then we don't have to worry about it.

I hesitate to post this because I don't really feel great about continuing this thread, but a lack of scoring isn't an excuse for being poor in the shootout. We can't score 4 every game, we're gonna have to win a shootout sometimes too.


#2555547 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by joesuffP on 10 December 2014 - 10:21 PM

Datsyuk is unbelievable




#2555541 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by Tr!PoD#19 on 10 December 2014 - 10:20 PM

This is retarded. It should be 6-1


#2555528 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by TheXym on 10 December 2014 - 10:18 PM

Clarkson leaping at Smith in the corner. What happened, did he knock down the water bottle?

Clarkson, go sit down.


I'd have said sit and spin, but I agree with the sentiment.
Great save by Jimmy.


#2555506 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 10 December 2014 - 10:06 PM

Nice clip, d-bag 




#2555465 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by Ekmanc on 10 December 2014 - 09:50 PM

Lookin good for the leafs!

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#2555460 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 December 2014 - 09:48 PM

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It's funny that when I check the box score and Nyquist has scored, I immediately see this in my head. 




#2555202 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 10 December 2014 - 04:52 AM

How is this thread still active? Aren't the Wings sitting at 4th or 5th in the league for goals right now?
Funny how the earlier pages mention Tatar, Weiss, Franzen etc as being guys who aren't doing anything lol

TANK IT!


#2555170 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by gcom007 on 09 December 2014 - 11:16 PM

"I know some (people) were saying that we don't have a shot for a playoff (spot), but I'm surprised you can say it with the big names in this locker room," Tatar said. "If we stay healthy we might actually have a shot at the (Stanley) Cup."

 

How do you not like this guy?

 

******* love it. That's the kind of confidence we need. Here's to hoping a full year up for some of these guys and a 2nd year for others will help them become more ready for the playoffs, but they've got to be feeling great about their chances right now. More often than not thus far, they've gone out every night and given themselves a chance to win against any team and done so. This is not the sputtering Red Wings of the last few years. This team has swagger, and this team is learning how to finish. This is why I like our chances and why I don't want to rock the boat with trades.




#2555125 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 09 December 2014 - 04:57 PM

"I know some (people) were saying that we don't have a shot for a playoff (spot), but I'm surprised you can say it with the big names in this locker room," Tatar said. "If we stay healthy we might actually have a shot at the (Stanley) Cup."

 

How do you not like this guy?




#2555406 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 December 2014 - 09:24 PM

f*** off Eddie. Get this clown off national broadcasts. He's a Blackhawks slappy that doesn't bother covering up his homerism.


#2554923 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 08 December 2014 - 04:03 PM

Anyone Interested in a vibrating bed from a motel in the 70s, stay away from me.


#2554918 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 December 2014 - 03:54 PM

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#2554880 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by marcaractac on 08 December 2014 - 02:02 PM

This just proves they teach kids nothing in Canada besides hockey and pro wrestling.   :lol:

 

Slap shots and elbow drops. weeooooooooooooooooooooo


Toronto has a basketball team?

 

If you look at the standings, they are basically the opposite of where the Pistons are  :ninja: