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#2577058 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by number9 on 01 March 2015 - 11:09 PM

 

How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.

 

Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting). 

 

This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.

 

110% true. Lower level employees do ALL the work. It's not like managers hire, manage employees, and guide the overall vision of the business. They just sit in their office and kick tires while watching netflix. Bums. Fire them. NOW.

 

EDIT: Clearly Holland never learned anything while working with so many great hockey men. Which is baffling considering how are teams stays elite by great vets teaching great young kids. Holland MUST be slow or something.




#2577047 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by rick zombo on 01 March 2015 - 10:48 PM

 
Ha! Exactly!
 
It's so awesome that we let Shanahan, Yzerman, and Nill walk and have Holland and Ryan Martin now. Anybody ever seen Holland and Martin in person? Especially Martin. Oh...I love Fischer, but he does not seem like a guy that should end up in the front office.
Holland and Martin both seem like huge pushovers, with Martin looking like and giving the vibe that he's never played hockey (although he may have) and has no clue what he's talking about. Nill, Yzerman, and Shanahan all have experience and the "i run the ship" look and personas. Im still pissed about how Ilitch asked Holland to step up and let Yzerman in and he wouldn't...YZerman should have been the face of this franchise and I'm sure Holland still would have had his prospect-giving-away hands all over everything anyway...


What kind of crap is this?

You have to strut around like Razor Ramon to be a good GM?

And as if Illitch asked Holland to step aside for Yzerman. And as if Holland would refuse.

Jesus.


#2577041 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 01 March 2015 - 10:43 PM


I have a feeling Holland could have traded this same package for a time traveling hossa from 09' and people would still be coming here ripping this move, just because the vibes Holland gives off tell you that he's a crappy gm.


#2576991 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 March 2015 - 09:29 PM

 

He likes our team.

 

He isn't alone. There isn't a whole lot not to like about these guys through 60 games. 




#2576948 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2015 - 09:00 PM

I like it.  Cole should help play near the crease, which is something I wanted.  And we didn't give up too much to get him.  Backman made his own bed, so I'm not heart broken about that.  Janmark is a good prospect with a lot of upside, but you've got to give to get.  I remember when we traded Jarnkrok and sudden he became a "bust" that was too small, or too Euro, or too far down the depth chart.  None of that is true, and isn't about Janmark either.  But if he had no value, I doubt Nill would have wanted him.  This helps us now, without sacrificing much later.  I'm fine with it.




#2576910 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Mckinley25 on 01 March 2015 - 08:42 PM

 
Why? I was reading he got frustrated and went home to Sweden. For the second year in a row Kenny got something in return for a player who was :crybaby:
 
Edit:
Oh wait, my mistake, Backman went home. Still, Janmark is 22, just like Jarnkrok, he should have played a game or 2 on the Wings by now... Good trade.


I agree it was a good trade, I just knew people would be mad. And they are.


#2576858 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by marcaractac on 01 March 2015 - 08:20 PM

Like I said before I like cole and he's the guy I wanted us to get ... Also didn't think he would cost us this much though ... He could be a complete bust but i liked janmarks upside and even though our prospect pool is high doesn't mean we should just give them away for older ufa's

What's funny is just today on twitter I was going on to someone about how I hope janmark convinces backman to come down fulltime next year and now there both gone lol

 

Are you serious? Please tell me this is a joke. Because this is a great trade for the Wings. We lost two prospects who have zero future here. Two prospects who have very little value. And by trading them, this team has a better shot at a deep playoff run. 




#2576825 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by number9 on 01 March 2015 - 08:09 PM

Abby + Franzen = Cole.

 

I think our top 6 just got way more dangerous and less one-dimensional.

 

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetters - Abby

 

If Franzan can come back we'll be lookin even betta




#2576794 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 01 March 2015 - 07:58 PM

So do some of you guys even want to win or what? Kenny gave up 2 prospects who likely were never going to see time in the winged wheel. Cole is 36, have you seen him play? He's not Bertuzzi. He can still skate as well as he ever did, and plays a physical power game.




#2576791 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by wings87 on 01 March 2015 - 07:58 PM

Finally Pav has someone to play with. I just mentioned today that I would love to get Cole, and it happens! Now I want to win the lottery,make it happen Kenny!


#2576789 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by darkmanx on 01 March 2015 - 07:57 PM

With backman retreating back I could live with that ... Janmark has upside for 2 yrs and now it's like whatever let's just give him away for an old ufa cause we still have good prospects

Rather of traded him if we had to in a deal that would be more than a ufa

In 2 yrs if we get outed again 1st round we lost 2 2nds janmark backman jarnkrok for 2 guys who quite possibly don't return and a 3rd rounder

And I just noticed we gave away 3 swedish guys ...are we suddenly giving up on the swedes? Lol

 

Panic-Button-300x290.jpg

 

Two decades of success vs online forum poster...

 

 

Yea, I know who I'm going with.




#2576758 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by nosyt612 on 01 March 2015 - 07:47 PM

I like this trade, always been a Cole fan. Has great speed, and is gonna have 20 goals by the end of the year. The wings got even more depth scoring, by the end of the year depending on Zetterberg's health we could have 5 20 goal scorers.




#2576748 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by WingsAlways on 01 March 2015 - 07:44 PM

Some people are impossible to please, you think each and every prospect is going to be future top-6, wrong. We just got bigger, try and appreciate that. 




#2574910 Is Jimmy Our Playoff Goalie?

Posted by Yzerfan87 on 25 February 2015 - 10:18 PM

That's the thing.
He's not a playoff disaster...
He just doesn't steal you games on the playoffs.
He's far above Corey Crawford.


I've been waiting for someone to mention Crawford. In every way, Howard is better. But Crawford has a cup. Chicago won twice by scoring and good defense, and I don't think we're far off from their cup winning teams.


#2574890 Is Jimmy Our Playoff Goalie?

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 25 February 2015 - 08:10 PM

 
Same here. But even if they shopped him, his salary is pretty high for a team to take on knowing he's a playoff disaster.
 
Changes of scenery can work wonders though...

That's the thing.
He's not a playoff disaster...
He just doesn't steal you games on the playoffs.
He's far above Corey Crawford.