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#2602651 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:22 AM

Only on LGW does a GM "deserve blame" for building an almost entirely homegrown roster, making the playoffs for the zillionth time in a row, and being poised to upset a better team in the first round. 


The only thing Ken Holland hasn't done is play/coach the actual game itself. 


Has he made some mistakes over the years?  Sure.  Have those mistakes seriously inhibited our chances of being competitive?  The results certainly suggest otherwise.


Or is he supposed to make no mistakes whatsoever?

#2602645 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by rick zombo on 28 April 2015 - 10:17 AM

A discussion…Ha.


Most of the prospects exist on many teams. i.e. Tampa Bay's T. Johnson.


Find me one team in the league that's had to draft from Detroit's position for the last 24 years that has better prospects. Feel free to use these as refernces













How about overpaying for Quincey?


Quincey's been good.


Resigned Cleary twice.


Kept his promise. Continues to exude organizational class. No harm done on the ice.


Overpaid and signed Franzen and Howard.


Franzen is not overpaid. Howard got fair value at the time. This is all on Howard for not keeping his end of the bargain.


Zidlicky is struggling badly.


Meh. Babcock has other options if he wants to use them. Kindl, for example. Didn't give up much to acquire him.


Nyquist looks small and lost out there.


Now you're just stretching


Never planned for Lidstrom's and Rafalski's departures. 


How can you? Without tanking like Florida, you're not getting an Ekblad or Jones or Hannafin. #tankit


Didn't figure out a way to keep Hossa.


IMO, his only major mistake.


Stephen Weiss is on the team but doesn't dress.


Holland's only other mistake. Part of that is on Babcock for not using him properly.


Does any of that ring a bell? Bother you?


Just the Hossa thing.

#2602615 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by rick zombo on 28 April 2015 - 09:37 AM

Not exactly sure what you're trying to start. But thanks for posting anyways.


I'm not saying it's revolutionary. It'd be revolutionary for action to be taken though.


I'm wondering if it's time.


What are you trying to start?


What should Holland be blamed for exactly?


The embarrassment of prospects the Wings have stock-piled despite a top 10 pick in 24 years?

#2605816 Call Out the NHL on BS

Posted by Mckinley25 on 03 May 2015 - 10:07 PM

I know it doesn't matter, but I really wish my road jerseys were still home jerseys.
What a senseless change.

I like it, white is generic, let the away team be the generic team and home team show their colors.

#2605773 Call Out the NHL on BS

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 03 May 2015 - 07:57 PM

If I wasn't on mobile, I would be posting the "old man yells at cloud" picture from the Simpsons.

So just imagine that's what you're looking at right now.


Perfect :lol:

And since there's some sensitive people *points* up there who can't handle some levity in the thread, let me be painfully on topic in sharing my opinion on The State of the NHL:

The game is changing. The league is changing. The way the game was played 30 years ago would be a bad fit for the current situation on multiple levels. As someone mentioned before, players today are faster, bigger, and stronger than ever before. Gear is more high tech. And we have knowledge now regarding health and safety issues that was not widely available before. The league would be foolish and unprogressive if they dug their heels in and refused to develop the game in a way that addresses these challenges. Do I like every change that is made? No. But I also have no misconceptions that me raging against the machine is gonna make a rabbit's fart of a difference. "Pretend we have an audience.". We *do*. Social media has developed to a point where officials ABSOLUTELY know how fans of the game feel about each and every little thing. They just don't *care*. Because here's the kicker, and if I have to pick the one thing that bothers me the most it would be this: WE are not who the league is reaching out to. The die hard, post on a hockey team's message board, donate money to charity based on playoff performance, contemplate homicide of other players not on our team who are probably pretty nice guys otherwise type people are going to follow our team /the league *anyway*. Our $ is not the growth, because it has always *been there*. These changes, the outreach, the people pleasing (if any) will not be directed at us. It will be directed at Joe Non-hockey Schmo whose ass they're trying to pull into a seat. Trying to pull into the NHL shop. Trying to pull into buying that cable package or GCL. So the game is gonna change. Because hockey is not very accessible to people who aren't familiar with it. Do I like it? Not necessarily, but in a way that mirrors why my grandpa doesn't like it that he can't find a doctor with a name he can pronounce. There are some changes the league is looking into that I think will be beneficial like 4-4 overtime and video reviews, but to opine that the league is "changing" because it's not like it was 30 years ago is short-sighted, unnecessarily nostalgic, and unprogressive. Time marches on. Things change. And now I've forgotten my larger point.

Which is why "old man yells at cloud" sums up my feelings perfectly, and isn't as sarcastic as you thought.

f*** off.

You...should probably step away from your keyboard for a minute.

#2605756 Call Out the NHL on BS

Posted by Euro_Twins on 03 May 2015 - 07:18 PM


#2604645 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by gcom007 on 29 April 2015 - 09:59 PM

Mike Babcock.

#2603822 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by barabbas16 on 29 April 2015 - 07:12 PM

Is Z even an asset out there... at all... or is he more liability at this point? Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but wow, a bad game 7 from him already.

Get out of here with that. We don't need that negativity right now.

#2601591 Tampa Bay Head Coach Jon Cooper Accuses Red Wings Of Cheating

Posted by WingsallTheway on 27 April 2015 - 04:16 PM

Zetterberg and Nyquist are the best in the league at holding the stick then diving to get a hooking/holding penalty. fact.


Multiple teams have complained about us cheating on faceoffs and we've even had players admit it. (Draper, i believe?)


We interfere with players on the rush more then anyone in the league. I've noticed recently that other teams are starting to do it more and more as well. (side note, ive also noticed other teams using the same entry into the zone on the PP as us; the one where we drop it to Dats)


Now I wouldn't say were flat out CHEATING, were just milking the rules to our advantage as much as possible. Its a double edged sword as we saw in the first 5 games with all the penalties.


Lets not be biased here, if you don't see these things happening all game your watching with a blind eye. We have experienced vets on our team and these skills have been passed down. Any sport I've ever played, I've bent the rules as much as possible to gain an advantage. Its a skill.

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Posted by Smite on 18 April 2015 - 12:25 PM

from reddit



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Posted by Mckinley25 on 14 April 2015 - 07:56 PM




The bottom half of that picture.

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Posted by MabusIncarnate on 12 April 2015 - 03:40 PM



Bottled Lightning

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Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 April 2015 - 09:23 PM

would have never thought stevie Y would be on the joking side of things

he was captain serious before Toews could walk


Actually Yzerman always had a sense of humor.  He was one of the biggest smartasses on the Wings, but he kept it pretty well out of the public.  You didn't really hear stories until later in his career, and especially after he retired.  


Though there is the infamous moment of him taunting Domi from the bench with the heavyweight belt gesture after Domi's rematch with Probert.


Toews just seems like he has zero personality.