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#2328113 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Nev on 09 September 2012 - 02:31 PM

So, in your opinion, the players need not make any concessions because there are no issues with the league finances right now?


Not at all, thats not what I said.

The problem with Bettman's proposal is that its the players making ALL the concessions. There has to be give and take. So the owners want the players 57% share of revenue cut - OK, offer a 50/50 split but also offer an increase in the minimum salary to say, $600,000. The owners want the length of contracts reduced to 5 years max - OK, but also offer to reduce the age a player reaches UFA by a year. Then you have the basis for a negotiation, rather than the current list of "sign it or we lock you out" demands


#2328050 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by 55fan on 08 September 2012 - 02:43 PM

It probably lies with because he is the spokesperson of the owners. If the season were to start on time, regardless of things, the owners would technically be under 43% RS, with the players still getting the majority. I'm not sure if they can backdate the CBA to where regardless they can start the season under the terms of the old CBA but once the new one comes out they magically backdate everything from the original start of the season. I'm not even sure if i'm making sense. The owners don't want to budge at all with their proposal, it just seems like they're the ones unwilling to allow the season to start on time if the new CBA isn't hashed out before Sept. 15th.

Short version, I think the owners don't want to allow the players to get their 57% of RS for any period of time this upcoming season, therefore they won't allow the beginning of the season to be played on the terms of the old CBA.

I feel you may be right, but it boggles the mind that adults can sit around a table and say, "I don't want someone else to have more than me, so I'm going to make sure that we both get zero."

A cranky four-year-old who needs a nap, maybe, but a group of adults? Oh, heavens. It's going to be a long year.


#2327998 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 07 September 2012 - 06:12 PM

yes and they are still ongoing. 2hrs and counting

Oh....a new record for meeting time. Nice to see more than 45 whole minutes in a row!


#2327781 if you had to pick one player in the current roster.......

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 05 September 2012 - 12:13 PM

Datsyuk, Bert, or Homer. All three have a good sense of humor and probably a lot of good stories. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Helm yet, I think he'd be another good one.

I thought about Helm being a fellow Winnipegger. He would definitely be one of my choices. Also, I'd love to have a sit down with Franzen and talk about work ethic.


#2327896 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by 55fan on 06 September 2012 - 03:14 PM

This is so stupid. I seriously think Bettman and Co. wanted to take a year off, devised a plan for doing so, and are following it through to fruition. They were responsible for setting the meetings, which they did at the last minute, and ever since then they've had a negative rhetoric about how far apart the two sides are. Then they announced right off the bat that they would not use the option to play another year on the current CBA and they would go for a lockout.

All of this screams bad faith. The initial low-ball offer I can understand from a negotiation point of view even if it reeks of smarmyness <---It's a word because I say so.

I don't see any effort on the part of the league nor any urgency as the deadline approaches. Either they seriously don't want this season to happen or they are posturing, and doing so badly.


#2327930 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by sibiriak on 06 September 2012 - 07:44 PM

Has it already been mentioned that the players who are going to play in other leagues for less money during the lockout only prove the owners point that they are paid too much? or is this just angry fan speak?

esteef

Using the same logic, owners being willing to forgo the revenues proves that they don't really have to charge as much for the tickets? Let's face it, the players would play this game for 100k/year since they are not likely to make even that much in any other job. But every dollar that the players don't get goes into the owners pockets. Personally, I don't really care how much money players make or how much profit the owners get. It's just that when the 2 sides squabble over the division of the money, I tend to sympathize with players because they are the ones I like to watch playing. The owners give out the contracts of their own free will, so I have no sympathy for them.


#2327565 if you had to pick one player in the current roster.......

Posted by jroc86 on 02 September 2012 - 08:13 PM

Bert. Being a BC guy when I was a kid he was like a superhero for a few yrs when I was in highschool ... fact that he got traded to my favorite team just made it that much cooler. Bert looks like one of the quiet insightful guys who's probably down to earth and cool as hell - plus I throw down the beers like nobodys business and Bert can probably handle his pops pretty effectively as well.


#2327558 if you had to pick one player in the current roster.......

Posted by stevkrause on 02 September 2012 - 04:10 PM

Since the while CBA stuff has currently left me missing hockey and not feeling very optimistic, let's play a game :)
If you had an opportunity to sit down and have a drink or have dinner with one CURRENT and you couldn't talk hockey, who would you choose and why?
For me I think I would pick to sit down with Tootoo and have a candid conversation about addiction and if he felt that the league "looked away" if they knew someone was struggling. I also would want to talk to an " enforcer" about losing Boogard, Rypian, Belak and the early departures of some of hockey's biggest personalities and if he worried he would slip into that headspace.
Thoughts?

Bert without a doubt... seems like he's got a good sense of humor, we have similar music tastes, and I'd ask him off the record what really went down with Crawford and the bounty situation over Moore...


#2327555 if you had to pick one player in the current roster.......

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 September 2012 - 03:13 PM

Z to talk about growing a sick beard.


#2327735 Franzen Trade Bait? Possibly!

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 September 2012 - 06:24 PM

Every one needs to just calm down. I drafted Mule onto my fantasy hockey team this season, so clearly he's going to score 35 goals... 30 of which will be GWG. He will not be traded, and we can all rest easy now.


#2327726 Franzen Trade Bait? Possibly!

Posted by The Greek on 04 September 2012 - 04:06 PM

I get your point, but have a question for you: If what you're saying is true then... why doesn't Dan Cleary pad his stats or score meaningless points? Or Hank? or Bert? Or Flip????

Do they recognize the two situations you described above (no name opponent and or late goal in a game we have no chance of winning) and deliberately try NOT to score?

You don't think when Bert was reeling this year looking for offense that he wouldn't have loved padding his stats? Or Cleary??

The fact is that this guy can score goals more than most other guys on our team (in fact, in 2012...ALL other guys). That is fact.


This is true, which is why I said I'm on the fence regarding franzen. I never doubted his talent level. He did put up the most points, however, he seems to do so only in spurts. Furthermore, he has a terrible habit of floating around if he's not scoring goals. The other guys you mentioned are notoriously hard workers and still contribute when they're not scoring.


#2327732 Photo of Chelios on bench, stepping on stick

Posted by esteef on 04 September 2012 - 05:22 PM

Surprised it took you guys this long to see that it's Lilja holding that Vapor stick.

Didn't you recognize that ear protection he always used to wear?


I simply recognized his awesomeness and immediately knew who it was.

esteef


#2327630 Photo of Chelios on bench, stepping on stick

Posted by 55fan on 04 September 2012 - 06:47 AM

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#2327477 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by crotty99 on 01 September 2012 - 03:14 AM

#nolockout




#2327436 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 31 August 2012 - 12:16 PM

Dan Rosen@drosennhl
The NHLPA negotiating team has arrived for today's meeting. Henrik Zetterberg and Ron Hainsey are the players in attendance.

This just in:

Zetterberg finalizes CBA deal. Zetteberg's beard named new NHL commissioner.