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#2329028 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Wingers17 on 16 September 2012 - 02:30 PM

My belief is there never is justification for a lockout or running out of time with negotiations. How long have they known about the CBA expiration? Oh, yeah, since the last one was signed.

Waiting to the last minute is ridiculous.


#2329006 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 16 September 2012 - 12:21 PM

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I hate everything right now. :ranting: :furious:

Does anyone know of a good source to watch the Griffs games streaming online? Might as well get to know our prospects better while I'm being denied my Wing fix. As much as I would love to give a big middle finger to the entire league and pledge that they will never get another cent out of me, the reality is that I've bled this team since I was a kid, and I just can't imagine turning my back on that. It will certainly affect my decision to spend money on gear and things I don't need, but my ass will still be in the seats for whatever games I actually get this year. One of those hopefully being the Winter Classic. I can only hope that the public disgust at the behavior of both the league--and now, increasingly, the players--will put some pressure on them to come to an agreement before too much of the season (and fan loyalty) is destroyed. And I realize how naive that sounds as I literally laughed out loud at myself as I typed it. Whatever.

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#2329000 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by brett on 16 September 2012 - 12:00 PM

i knew the nhl would be destroyed once lids retired


#2328966 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by cusimano_brothers on 16 September 2012 - 07:24 AM

Facts, cold and hard:

It’s the league’s fourth work stoppage in 20 years and third lockout as owners try to find a way to corral salaries at a time when league revenues are growing at a record pace. The league has gone from a $2.1 billion (all figures U.S.) business to $3.3 billion in the last seven years.

The league’s 30 general managers have handed out contracts worth $1.67 billion to 179 players since July 1, according to Matthew Wuest, the man behind capgeek.com, but at the same time are demanding salary clawbacks.

On Saturday, Milan Lucic signed a three-year, $18-million extension with the Bruins and Nashville defenceman Kevin Klein inked a new five-year deal for $14.5 million. These are head-scratching offers — about $135 million to 13 players over the final two days of a collective bargaining agreement the league says isn’t working.




#2328843 Any NHL'ers from your home town?

Posted by thegerkin on 15 September 2012 - 04:17 AM

I do feel like I'm missing a big name guy here.....
Oh yeah, and Steve Yzerman


How did he pan out? :)


#2328852 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by 55fan on 15 September 2012 - 08:19 AM

Now that Carrie Underwood is a hockey wife, I think it behooves her to write sad, sappy, lamenting, wailing songs about how bad this is for the players, their families, the people who are employed by hockey, and the fans.

Then she needs to follow Bettman around singing them all non-stop until he cracks and signs whatever is put in front of him, preferably his own pink slip.

Heck, I'll sing backup vocals. Anything to speed this along.


#2328671 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by RippedOnNitro on 14 September 2012 - 01:53 AM

I think this player is as fed up with the BS dwarfish commissioner as everyone else and maybe just maybe he has to pay some bills, family and you know like to be able to pay them? Guys like us are playing hockey for fun, enjoyment these guys are professional athletes hockey is their job.

Thinking the fact that some players are going hardball is a good sign, last timel they gave too much they won't do so again and even the dumbest owner should know a league without all the stars will never be the same.


And they can't support their family with let's say a paycheck worth of the league minimum ($500K a year)?
Hell even I can support my family with 10% of that!

I can understand it is a principle matter, but the players should never play the victim card.
They should be lucky they're getting paid multiple millions a year just to play some game where even when they play horrible all season they still get paid fath checks.
There are doctors/surgeons out there who save people's lifes every day (sometimes they have to be in surgery 18 hours straight!)where they can not make a mistake without costing someone's life and they do not get paid like $6M a year!

Not saying that I am siding with the owners...a lockout is at fault of all parties involved!


#2328667 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by 55fan on 14 September 2012 - 01:13 AM

I realize that this will never happen, but wouldn't it be a lovely thing if there were a dozen or so billionaires who happened to love hockey and started some teams just for this one season?

Imagine that any interested player could submit his name, and the billionaires could just have a fantasy draft, play a 20 or 30 game schedule, put the videos up online for our enjoyment, and at the end have the guys play for something silly like a jockstrap and a jelly doughnut.

The billionaires could pay them whatever they agree on, and charge admission to cover travel costs. It would be just for fun and kind of a sticking out of the tongue at the league.


#2328662 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Pskov Wings Fan on 14 September 2012 - 12:30 AM

As Fehr pointed out, what's in it for the players in any of these offers from the NHL? The concessions the union is mainly asking for is a less insane reduction from the league. They're not asking to get rid of the cap. The league is so fixated on ratcheting down players salary that it seems like they haven't even discussed things like contract length. And that's where I think the union can do some giving. Length of CBA. Length of player contracts.


Here are couple other things players can offer to the league.
- Make the cap number to equal actual salary (kill the front-loaded contracts)
- Remove players option for the 5% cap inflator


#2328666 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 September 2012 - 12:46 AM

Here are couple other things players can offer to the league.
- Make the cap number to equal actual salary (kill the front-loaded contracts)
- Remove players option for the 5% cap inflator

That first one I think is a great way to make things more equitable between the big and smaller franchises besides reducing player salary (which doesn't actually achieve that). Right now the rich franchises can extend massive contracts that nearly cripple the small ones (a la Shea Weber) and essentially circumvent the cap with long term.

I didn't realize the players even had an option for inflating the cap. It's definitely something else they could negotiate off of. Even if not eliminating, they could reduce it.


#2328660 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 September 2012 - 12:09 AM

I finally get it. frankgrimes is Jim Balsille. One of the 3 people left on earth who use a blackberry, and has a total hate hard on for Bettman and the owners to the exclusion of everything else. Still mad they wouldn't let you buy the Pens or Predators, or circumvent everything for the Coyotes?

Seriously, we get it. The owners should be forced to give 99% of the revenue to the players, pay for all other costs out of their own pockets, and let the players pick what nights they play and who their teammates are. Hell, lets dismantle the front offices, and let the players have a multibillion dollar beer league. Screw the owners who pay for the buildings, staff, insurance costs, medical, etc.

Has anyone in this thread put together a reasonable argument for the owner's side without resorting to a straw man or some other fallacy?

Everyone is just accepting that players need to reduce their share of revenue (including myself), but why exactly? The most common argument I hear involves comparing it to the NFL or NBA, which has little relevance to hockey.

Yes yes, the Forbes report where it lists 18 teams as having negative income. Forbes lists the Coyotes as dead last with -24.4 mill operating income. Their payroll was a very reasonable $55 million last season. They made it to the conference finals. I'm pretty sure the Forbes report was before the playoffs but assuming they didn't have a positive income (using the Forbes standard) if a team can't turn a profit with that payroll and a conference finals finish, the problem is not players salaries.

Obviously that's just one example, but my point is it's not as easy as saying they need this reduction because the league is in trouble. This isn't 2004. The NHL overall is profitable.

With a combination of contract limits, revenue sharing AND a reasonable reduction in player salary, the league could help the smaller markets succeed. Or at least give them the opportunity to succeed if they have any idea what they're doing. Instead they are asking for massive reduction in player's salary, with little compelling evidence as to why exactly other than they're willing to hold hockey hostage until the players cave. And at the same time they want to re-define what even constitutes the Hockey Related Revenue before they even give players less of it.

As Fehr pointed out, what's in it for the players in any of these offers from the NHL? The concessions the union is mainly asking for is a less insane reduction from the league. They're not asking to get rid of the cap. The league is so fixated on ratcheting down players salary that it seems like they haven't even discussed things like contract length. And that's where I think the union can do some giving. Length of CBA. Length of player contracts.

Instead, Bettman uses the nuclear option again and we as fans lose more hockey.


#2328655 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Johnz96 on 13 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

I finally get it. frankgrimes is Jim Balsille. One of the 3 people left on earth who use a blackberry, and has a total hate hard on for Bettman and the owners to the exclusion of everything else. Still mad they wouldn't let you buy the Pens or Predators, or circumvent everything for the Coyotes?

Seriously, we get it. The owners should be forced to give 99% of the revenue to the players, pay for all other costs out of their own pockets, and let the players pick what nights they play and who their teammates are. Hell, lets dismantle the front offices, and let the players have a multibillion dollar beer league. Screw the owners who pay for the buildings, staff, insurance costs, medical, etc.

It is really simple. If the owners don't want to spend as much as they do they shouldn't offer it in the first place, now they want to renege on their offers and are locking the players and us (where the revenues come from) for their own stupidity.
There is a lot more I would like to say about your reply but I will bite my tongue


#2328569 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by frankgrimes on 13 September 2012 - 01:11 PM

Haha this stupid dwarf is out of words, sounds like an angry weasel.


#2328546 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by RippedOnNitro on 13 September 2012 - 09:00 AM

This morning, TSN's Darren Dreger said a "big-name" player said (paraphrasing): "I'd rather leave the game than give back more like we did the last time".
The Board of Governors will also meet today, voting on Uncle Gary's desire the lockout; speculation on TSN showed voting could be as high as unanimous and as low as 25-5.


To me it sounds like that player plays hockey for the money and not for the love of the game. It's a shame!

They should allow an audience at that meeting and to be aired live, so everyone can yell "booooooo" once an owner votes for a lockout.


#2328489 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by frankgrimes on 12 September 2012 - 06:12 PM

Can this ****** dwarf 3 lockout in a row - yes I said it - is unacceptable can his ass once and for all.

The league is healthy as its ever been this should have been the easiest CBA negotiations ever!