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#2397455 Playing Eaves over Tootoo

Posted by Guest on 06 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

I was wondering what people's thoughts were on this subject.


I personally believe Tootoo bring a lot more to this lineup then Eaves ever would. He brings a whole different aspect to the table, I struggle to see where eaves excels and what he brings to the team that Tootoo cant do just as good or better. Tootoo provides much more energy and causes turnovers and scrambles in front of the net.





We need some dirty goals.



Eaves is a quality penalty killer, a good energy player, and very good on defense. Tootoo is physical, yes, but he is also a defensive and behavioral liability.

#2396901 Should Howard be benched?

Posted by Dirty Dangle on 05 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

Every game he lets in 1-2 soft goals, after awhile it's time to make a change. I think he's what is holding us back right now. 

Yeah, it's a shame Howard hasn't been scoring, especially last night. Time to make a change.

#2397031 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 05 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

My god what a bunch of little cry babies. Enough with all the shade your throwing at Shanny.

I read In here everyday that we as Wing fans are better than all the opposing teams fans and we are all class and blah blah blah blah.

Bunch of hypocrites!!!

Theres af****** committe that decides this and Shanny is the poor f*** that has to be the face and mouthpeice for Gary.

f*** Stevie for going to Tampa,f****** sell out traitor and Nill is a bag of s*** too!

Get your venting out and lets move on to some positivity for tmmrrws game!


Sheeesh chill out man.  Breathe!!

#2396960 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 May 2013 - 06:02 PM

2 games, a 5 and a game misconduct in the playoffs. This league is going down the s***ter. Weber slams Z's head into the boards last year, a fine, no suspension. Then the preds organization openly mocks the play .

Frankly any suspension looks insane relative to the Weber head slam. 


The league majorly blew it on that one.  They're trying to protect players heads but don't suspend Weber for slamming a player's head into the boards.

#2396959 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 05 May 2013 - 06:01 PM

Shanahan's a figurehead, this is so much bigger than him.  He has no autonomy and is not solely responsible for these decisions.  When he first started, many of us were applauding the consistency of his decisions and how much better he was doing than Campbell.  After a couple months, things started to smell bad and all of a sudden decisions were being made that didn't make a lot of sense.


I always go back to the non-suspension on Weber when things like Abby's hit and the Eller situation come up.  If it was truly a "safety issue," then the decisions would be different.  They're not.  It's politics.  And honestly, I'm glad Z didn't play up some phantom injury after the head slam, because lord knows if he'd magically had a concussion Weber might have actually gotten a couple games.  Just shows how much classier a guy like Z is to shrug it off than these other butt wipes who seem to think it's acceptable to be a giant diving poopy diaper pansy.


That being said, this whole situation can go f*** itself.  Absolute joke.



#2396948 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by Guest on 05 May 2013 - 05:52 PM

Miraculous recovery coming soon for Lydman.

#2396865 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by rrasco on 05 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

I just want to know why the ref standing right next to the hit didn't raise his arm.  He was staring directly at it from 2 feet away and didn't make a call.  None of this 'he waited to talk to the other officials' stuff, because if there is a penalty, they put their arm up at the time of the infraction and they can discuss it afterwards to determine severity.  They called it charging and threw him out because Lydman didn't get up.

#2396851 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by matt198913 on 05 May 2013 - 02:56 PM

I'm calling it now Shanaban suspends him 2 games and the Wings go apes***.... Anyone remember last year???? Weber with a classic turnbuckle move on Hank.... Don't tell us your trying to protect the players especially when you let that go!!!

#2396842 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 05 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

And then this:

@reallisa: More Selanne:"It's interesting to see what Shanny's gonna do. He played here too. I think everybody is following close. It's a tough job too

LOL already playing the preemptive "Shanny played here" card...

#2396837 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 05 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

@reallisa: Selanne, weighing his words on the hit: "Let's put it this way: I think that kind of hits are totally unnecessary."


This from a guy that punches players in the back of the head. 

#2396819 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 May 2013 - 01:52 PM

IMHO, the only hit to the head that should EVER be deemed targeting is an elbow to the head. 99% of the time if you lead with your elbow and nail the guy in the side of the head, it was on purpose.  Anytime a shoulder is thrown into and towards the body and it just so happens that the head was hit, that should not be a penalty, just an unfortunate accident as a result of a hard, fast Hockey play...99% of the time when the shoulder leads the hit and the head is hit, it is not on purpose and the head was not targeted.  If you are leading with your shoulder you intend to hit the player with a body check, if you lead with your elbow, you are looking to injure the player...


That is just my opinion when trying to read the intent of a play...

#2396811 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by FlashyG on 05 May 2013 - 01:28 PM

My issue is this: In recent years in all sports the head seems to have become fair game, there have been a lot studies that show such hits can cause permanent damage, even if there is little or no symptom presentation at the time of the injury. The head MUST be made off-limits, and even accidental contact should be punished to keep borderline plays out of the game. A player should do the mental calculus before a hit to make sure there is no way they hit the head, and Abdelkader could have gone an inch lower to make sure his hit was perfectly shoulder to shoulder. He didn't, he sacrificed safety trying to make a big play, even though its clear it wasn't his intent to hit the head. And that's the exact issue I have, if it comes between making a huge play and jeopardizing someone else, everyone should be trained from a young age to let up and adjust point of contact. He didn't and the Wings are suffering now because of it.


PS if you look at most head shot threads on this forum I say the same thing as I am now, I will not be a hypocrite because its a Wings player involved. 


I don't think you're a hypocrite at all, although you did imply I was one when you called me a homer and said my opinion would be different if it were a Wing.


We just have a difference of opinion when it comes to head shots. I can see your point as far as the lasting damage caused by them, but these guys are making millions of dollars to play an extremely rough sport and they all know the risks. I also don't know how a player can do "mental calculus" as you put it in a split second taking into account the improbable movement of his target. Some of the onus is on the person being hit to take the hit to the body and to not put his head in danger with his own movements.


I think there are ways to minimize the damage caused by hits while still allowing the game to maintain a physical edge. A good start would be to get rid of the hard plastic in shoulder and elbow pads.

#2396801 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 05 May 2013 - 01:15 PM

By the way, Lydman is not currently at the Ducks' practice.


:scared: Shocked, I tell you!!


Was just coming here to post this.  Apparently he's there, but won't take the ice.  Has "migraine and sore neck."  According to the Ducks' radio color analyst, Lydman "not likely to play anytime soon."



#2396798 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by VM1138 on 05 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

I don't see a suspension coming. Looking very closely and adjusting for camera angles, he stayed on the ice until after contact, and he didn't target the head.

I can see how people could see it either way, but when you look very closely and adjust, it just isn't suspendable.

Maybe Bertuzzi replaces him and shows him how to finish Datsyuk's plays if he does get suspended. That'd be nice.

#2396771 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 05 May 2013 - 12:49 PM


This will not surprise me at all. 


If I were Babs, I would sit Abby for the series regardless of what the decision is from Shanny.  Putting Abby back out there would just give Anaheim a righteous "reason" to take out Jimmy or Pasha... like, "the Wings DESERVED this!"   Tell me this couldn't happen with tools like Perry leading the pack?


This is the part of this whole scenario that bothers me the most, honestly.  I called it in the GDT right after it happened that they were going to start spouting "possible concussion" nonsense as soon as they could get in front of a microphone in order to infulence discipline.  Sure as s***, immediately postgame we have Boudreau yammering about "oh, he's got a headache, not gonna practice tomorrow."  I've got a headache this morning to, should the bottle of whiskey get supplementary discipline?  I cannot stand the PUNK ASS BABY s***.  Manipulating the system by crying injury after every hard hit, legal or not, to influence discipline is bulls*** and I hate that the league is heading in this direction.  It's bad enough that legitimate injury, like in the Eller case, determines discipline on a clean hit, but when you flop on the ice for an hour after a hit to not only try to draw a penalty, but set the stage for a later suspension?  :nono: