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#2393520 Pasha's Legacy

Posted by The Axe on 02 May 2013 - 11:01 AM

It is way to early to discuss Datsyuk in the rafters. He needs another STRONG 5 years to be in that catagory. Z will never be in that catagory. Reading some of the posts on here, you guys show your age. There are a bunch of guys equal or greater than datsyuk and Z that are not in the HOF or have their numbers retired. To be considered at that level, you need to be a once in a generation talent, and not sure either of them are. we are talking about a fine line here. What is the difference between being very good vs great vs once in a generation talent? Some of us are old enough to remember seeing Howe play, grew up on The Great One, watched Super Mario. No the NHL isn't the same as when those guys played. But would datsyuk and Z dominate in the other eras? not sure they would. But again, in 5 years after each puts up another 300 points, maybe we can have this conversation.


I'm sorry, but you derailed your argument by excluding Pavel from the one in a generation category. Fedorov is the most talented all around hockey player of all time, but Pavel Datsyuk is the craftiest player that has ever touched a hockey puck. His highlite reel speaks for itself. Guys like Zetterberg and Iginla are great players, but I'd agree with you that they are not magical. Datsyuk does things on a regular basis that make you put both hands on your head, open your eyes wide, and smile in disbelief. He is a once in a lifetime player.


#2393643 Players who showboat after scoring

Posted by 55fan on 02 May 2013 - 02:12 PM

Really, I think the answer is in the title of the thread.

 

Celebration=ok.

Showboating=no good.




#2393336 Your favorite Red Wings Number and Why

Posted by Seraph on 01 May 2013 - 04:21 PM

1 and 9. Sawchuk, Howe, Yzerman, Fedorov. Not bad. :)

This is the correct answer.




#2393254 Your favorite Red Wings Number and Why

Posted by Number19 on 01 May 2013 - 10:47 AM

Pavs did make 13 solid for the Wings. Saw it was #2 jersey sold this year behind Toews.

Slava wasn't too bad himself.




#2393251 Your favorite Red Wings Number and Why

Posted by Number19 on 01 May 2013 - 10:46 AM

1 and 9. Sawchuk, Howe, Yzerman, Fedorov. Not bad. :)




#2393392 Players who showboat after scoring

Posted by The Axe on 01 May 2013 - 09:00 PM

Datsyuk is the perfect celebrated. Makes guys look stupid and never shows them up. That's why everyone, including his opponents, likes him. He smiles and does a fist pump. That's enough.


#2392134 2013 Playoff Beards!

Posted by 55fan on 30 April 2013 - 02:12 PM

 

LOL!  Have you ever grown a beard?  I'd almost prefer jail.  Okay okay, I'll do it.  Here's to hoping I reach this growth again.  The best part of this picture is it was taken at the Joe!

 

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Kris Draper would approve of that beard.




#2391754 2013 Playoff Beards!

Posted by 55fan on 29 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

Go Boys!  On behalf of all of us who can't grow beards (and are relieved by this), grow on!

 

Best of luck to all of you, and way to represent!




#2393121 WCQF Game 1 GDT : Red Wings 1, at Ducks 3. (Anaheim leads, 1-0)

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 01 May 2013 - 12:13 AM

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#2391259 Thank You Detroit Red Wings...

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 April 2013 - 10:24 PM

I just wanted to start a topic for us to say Thanks to the Red Wings for providing us with a great regular season despite all the adversities and drama and odds against us! (Thank God, we didn't hear the "Too Old" card this year.)

 

So, despite all of this:

 

  • Nick Lidstrom retiring
  • Tomas Holmstrom retiring
  • Brad Stuart trade
  • New Asst. Coach
  • Losing out on Parise, Suter, Schultz, Doan and every other "Top" UFA
  • Countless injuries to our Defense creating our youngest average D since Nick and Vladdy were Rookies
  • Gustavsson hurting himself and never really turning into a reliable backup
  • Losing Helm for the season (again)
  • Losing Bertuzzi's experience and Sammy to injury

 

(I am sure that I am leaving something out)

 

But anyway, despite all of this and despite the experts having us out of the playoffs for the first time since I turned 20, THE Detroit Red Wings proved once again, that when it comes to being a perennial winning team in the NHL, nobody does it better! Eat that Olsen Twins!

 

SO, Despite all the above mentioned scenarios that were supposed to have us dwelling at the bottom of the NHL, you guys did it.  No matter where you go in the playoffs, this is a winning season and every other team in the league is just shaking their heads right now!

 

Watch out NHL, don't look now, because the Red Wings just rebuilt on the fly and will be back on top sooner than you can say 22 straight years!

 

THANK YOU DETROIT RED WINGS for a regular season to remember! (now lets spoil some parties!)




#2392116 Pasha's Legacy

Posted by Mitchmac33 on 30 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

Of course not, otherwise we'd be putting up 18, 33, and 96 as well. There are other criteria, but one of them is coming from a successful era. According to precedent, none of the players in the rafters have won less than three cups with Detroit. Bringing home a couple more would put 13 and 40 into that category. And given the current lack of raw talent on our roster, those cups would have to be won on the backs of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. To accomplish this, they'd probably have to dedicate the rest of their careers to Detroit, which only helps their case. Then we can legitimately talk about retiring their numbers.

 

But come on, how cool would that be lol.

 

I also want to say that I think if 13 gets retired, that doesn't mean 40 should as well.  I think 13 deserves it more than 40.




#2392052 Pasha's Legacy

Posted by Nev on 30 April 2013 - 10:28 AM

I love Datsyuk, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to retire his number. I don't.want to undercut his legacy, but if we retire him then we retire Zetterberg...then we retire every star we have.

 

 

Datsyuk isn't like any other star though.  He's such a unique player with an otherwordly level of skill that I have never seen in any other hockey player.  He is Barry Sanders or Lionel Messi on skates.  Combine that with a shy, almost introverted humilty, a wry, self-deprecating sense of humour, an elite defensive game, 4 Lady Byngs, 3 Selkes and 2 Stanley Cups.  6th on the all-time Red Wings scoring list.

 

Other players may come along and score more points and win more Cups, but none of them will do it with the jaw-dropping brilliance of Pav.  Thank goodness this is the Youtube generation so we can show our kids and grandkids exactly what he used to do.




#2392034 Pasha's Legacy

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2013 - 10:06 AM

Don't retire his number, but do give him the credit he deserves...which is to say, Pavel Datsyuk is the best puckhandler in the history of the National Hockey League.  Period.  The only defenseman who could have conceivably defended him with any sort of regularity was on his team. 




#2391915 Howard = Average

Posted by Dynheart on 29 April 2013 - 11:19 PM

Stats don't matter when you get pulled, scored on 4 times on 19 shots, and put it in your own net 2 times in one game. Stats do matter when you do none of that , which he did exactly last week. Last week he didn't mess up and played like he's a future hall of famer.

 

ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.

what i don't get, while we rip into howard, is that the elites do the same darn thing. Bad games. Get pulled. Turn overs that lead to goals. but for some reason we ignore that (as do all sport fans when they singling out a player...it's almost like selective hearing) and magnify howard's common goalie mistakes...just to justify an argument. or to justify why he's a lower tier. but if quick does it? he gets a pass. lundqvist? pass. rinne? pass. now schneider get's all over these passes (and he has made some boo-boo's this season too).

 

We call these inconsistencies with howard. the other goalies? they are mistakes. I keep reading them here, and over at HFboards....but the double standard doesn't add up/make sense. Does Howard have another set of rules? But what does make sense is the overall season, correct? Why do people judge a player on their mistakes, then call them average..., and these are few,, but in the same breath ignore the many, MANY, awesome feats them have pulled for the team this season? It's like..."you messed up once howard, you turned over the puck and those are  inconsistencies I do not tolerate!" " What? Other elite goalies do it too? Oh, those are just gaffs on their part..., you cannot be inconsistent!" 

 

Howard: ....... Save % .923 "Is that good enough" ..."No! You are average because of a few bad games, howard. Accept it!"

 

Blown out proportion? Yea...but it sure as hell seems that Howard has to play the puck like Brodeur, or better. Post .920+ every game. 10+SO. If the Wings cannot score more than 2 goals? Who cares...Howard better get us to the 3rd round or better or he's just  average at best...

 

i would only call one  goalie elite, and that's Lundqvist...and he's  even made the gaffs that Howard has over his career...many-a-times. Honestly? If we are sitting here tearing apart a goalie we got in howard...a .consistent .920+ goalie (one season aside)...we could always get bryz, as people still consider him a top 10 goalie and howard barely a top 20, sometimes he doesn't even crack top 25.




#2391874 Colorado wins the Lottery...

Posted by The Axe on 29 April 2013 - 08:57 PM

I love crazies and their conspiracy theory. Now that's its playoff time well get a lot of "refs are paid so we lose" or my favorite "the NHL hates us so that's y we lose".


You do have to admit that one Kings game was retarded this year.