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#2329856 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 24 September 2012 - 09:28 AM

You know what was weird. I turned on the TV yesterday and there was this game on where a bunch of guys ran around in the grass playing catch and hugging up on each other. I thought they called it foosball? I don't know, it was rather weird, but without a hockey game to turn to, I just kept watching.


#2329640 Jimmy D Speaks out on Lockout, fined $250k

Posted by Pskov Wings Fan on 21 September 2012 - 05:24 PM

Flipping it, to 43% players and 57% owners still seems like a good deal to me. That's still a huge chunk to the players, but you have to remember the owners still have to pay coaches, scouts, doctors, vendors, trainers, administrators, insurance, marketing and maintenance. Imagine if doctors at a hospital demanded 50% of all revenues?

The percentages have no meaning unless we know what all the clubs expenses are. Without this information now can anybody say what is a good deal or bad deal for either side.
And maybe 50% for doctors is fair. I have no clue.

But the clubs did sign players to certain contracts and now they want to basically renegotiate them. Players agreed to this once and now owners are coming back for me. Unless players have the desire to keep giving back every few years they have to resist.

Lets take Datsyuk for example. 24% rollback would turn his $6.7M into about $5M.

There is a different between cattle and people, cattle can't leave the ranch.

#2329622 Jimmy D Speaks out on Lockout, fined $250k

Posted by 55fan on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 PM

I like it that he spoke honestly. The part about this whole thing being way too complicated for the average Joe to understand was a bit condescending, but maybe I'm over-estimating the average Joe.

I do agree that the owners run the thing, but owners have to take their employees into consideration. If this was the players just demanding more money, I'd be on the owners' side, but this is about the players getting paid what the owners have said they will pay them.

Good read, even if I didn't particularly like what was said. It's nice to hear someone just answering the questions rather than going all PC.

#2329615 Jimmy D Speaks out on Lockout, fined $250k

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 21 September 2012 - 02:04 PM

That entire article made me feel like punching someone in the crotch. I don't know who that someone is yet, but boy howdy is that someone gonna get it when I figure it out...

#2329076 Team or Players?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

I wouldn't be happy that the Red Wings were playing, because they wouldn't be.

Guys like Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg and the like are all under contract by the Red Wings. They are Detroit Red Wings hockey players.

Besides, no one can match what Dats does out there. Certainly not some replacement player that couldn't crack the NHL except as a scab.

#2329171 Who is the Best Russian the Wings Have Ever Had?

Posted by kipwinger on 17 September 2012 - 01:14 PM

Stats don't lie, goals per game was roughly the same or lower during Fedorov's prime years as they are now. Plus, Fedorov had ten 30+ goal seasons, two 100 pt. seasons, a Hart Trophy, and three Stanley Cups. He also won the Selke twice, and actually played defense for every team he was on. So it's not like the guy was Ovechkin during his career.

I know none of that is as legitimate as an EA sports poll or an urban dictionary entry, but it's pretty impressive none the less. Which reminds me, did I ever tell you guys about how my students once voted "The Fast and the Furious" as the greatest movie EVER made? Anyway, to sum all this up: something, something...appeal to probability...something something...psychologist's fallacy...something, something...you can't see the forest for the trees.

#2329307 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 18 September 2012 - 02:06 PM

apparently the iihf isnt approving nhl players transfer cards that is required to play in the iihf leagues including the khl. they bring up how the nhl has "pressured" the khl and has a strong hold on them influence wise so this may be a tatic from the league to prevent its locked out players from playing hockey in general. things turning.into a giant gongshow here boys

I was just coming here to post this. Definitely interesting...and by interesting I mean childish and ridiculous.

#2329236 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 September 2012 - 10:17 PM

First, no, you're wrong, revenue is up 50% not profit.
Second, it matters what they want more money for - owners need more money to cover increased expenses, where players just want guaranteed money. business doesn't work like this.

Business also doesn't typically have a lottery to pick its employees as 18 year olds and tell them which franchise they work for, own their rights to be employed, or trade their employees for compensation.

You're really oversimplifying how a professional sports league works.

#2329150 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Johnz96 on 17 September 2012 - 12:10 PM

Locked "us" out? Are you a player?

He is responsible for the financial situation? He is responsible for the lockout?

You do realize that the owners all voted to lock out the players. It was unanimous. Sounds to me that the owners are responsible for the financial situation since they are the ones signing these contracts that their franchises can't pay. Sounds to me that the owners are responsible for the lockout.

So, in short, if you want someone to blame, don't blame the mouthpiece. Blame the owners.


I agree with this.


Forget blaming Bettman and forget blaming the players.
Blame their poisonous relationship. There’s too much messy history here, dating all the way back to Eagleson, and there’s precious little goodwill.


I just can't stop blaming both sides.

Fans get locked out too

#2329028 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Wingers17 on 16 September 2012 - 02:30 PM

My belief is there never is justification for a lockout or running out of time with negotiations. How long have they known about the CBA expiration? Oh, yeah, since the last one was signed.

Waiting to the last minute is ridiculous.

#2329006 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 16 September 2012 - 12:21 PM

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I hate everything right now. :ranting: :furious:

Does anyone know of a good source to watch the Griffs games streaming online? Might as well get to know our prospects better while I'm being denied my Wing fix. As much as I would love to give a big middle finger to the entire league and pledge that they will never get another cent out of me, the reality is that I've bled this team since I was a kid, and I just can't imagine turning my back on that. It will certainly affect my decision to spend money on gear and things I don't need, but my ass will still be in the seats for whatever games I actually get this year. One of those hopefully being the Winter Classic. I can only hope that the public disgust at the behavior of both the league--and now, increasingly, the players--will put some pressure on them to come to an agreement before too much of the season (and fan loyalty) is destroyed. And I realize how naive that sounds as I literally laughed out loud at myself as I typed it. Whatever.

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#2329000 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by brett on 16 September 2012 - 12:00 PM

i knew the nhl would be destroyed once lids retired

#2328966 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by cusimano_brothers on 16 September 2012 - 07:24 AM

Facts, cold and hard:

It’s the league’s fourth work stoppage in 20 years and third lockout as owners try to find a way to corral salaries at a time when league revenues are growing at a record pace. The league has gone from a $2.1 billion (all figures U.S.) business to $3.3 billion in the last seven years.

The league’s 30 general managers have handed out contracts worth $1.67 billion to 179 players since July 1, according to Matthew Wuest, the man behind capgeek.com, but at the same time are demanding salary clawbacks.

On Saturday, Milan Lucic signed a three-year, $18-million extension with the Bruins and Nashville defenceman Kevin Klein inked a new five-year deal for $14.5 million. These are head-scratching offers — about $135 million to 13 players over the final two days of a collective bargaining agreement the league says isn’t working.

#2328843 Any NHL'ers from your home town?

Posted by thegerkin on 15 September 2012 - 04:17 AM

I do feel like I'm missing a big name guy here.....
Oh yeah, and Steve Yzerman

How did he pan out? :)

#2328852 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by 55fan on 15 September 2012 - 08:19 AM

Now that Carrie Underwood is a hockey wife, I think it behooves her to write sad, sappy, lamenting, wailing songs about how bad this is for the players, their families, the people who are employed by hockey, and the fans.

Then she needs to follow Bettman around singing them all non-stop until he cracks and signs whatever is put in front of him, preferably his own pink slip.

Heck, I'll sing backup vocals. Anything to speed this along.