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#2302994 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by sibiriak on 24 May 2012 - 11:49 AM

20 mil what? A year?

Yes, a year. Comparables for a long term contract: Kovalchuk and Weber (who is on a short term arbitration award IIRC) 10+7.5(short term, lowball). With salaries expected to rise every year, a LT contracts of parise and Suter will at least 10% higher than the Kovy+Weber. That is 19+ mil.

And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.

How about the Bruins? The Rangers? The Devils? The Kings? The Blues? The Preds? The Flyers even? Those all look like contenders to me.

#2302993 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by Doc Holliday on 24 May 2012 - 11:42 AM

Perhaps, but there's no way they will both accept such a discount, unless it's for one year only, like Selanne and Kariya once did. But put yourself in their shoes, is Detroit the best place for their one shot at a Cup together? Because at that price (14 mil for both) they can have their pick of ANY NHL team they want. And right now Detroit doesn't look like the team most poised to win the Cup next year.

And to sign them both long-term, the price tag will START at 20 mil.

20 mil what? A year?

And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.

#2302799 The truth of our decline.

Posted by number9 on 23 May 2012 - 10:57 AM

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to "reload" like what happened last time when Stevie Y was on his way out.

It's not as hard to reload when you have some of the best drafting and player development in the league, and your one of the top free agent destinations in the league lol....now if this was Edmonton or Columbus....

Emmerton: NHL ready
Mursak: NHL ready
Andersson: NHL ready
Smith: NHL ready
Nyquist: NHL ready
Sheahan: Call up
Tatar: Call up
(insert free agents name here)
(insert free agents name here)

That's potentially about 9 players who will be fighting for NHL ice time....plus Holmstrom makes 10....we've still got about 2 more seasons of reloading left IMO though.....

#2302579 What's the point of the crease?

Posted by puckbags on 22 May 2012 - 09:54 AM

I think the crease is there solely to keep Homer's ass directly from touching other goalies faces.

#2302553 What's the point of the crease?

Posted by cnot19 on 22 May 2012 - 05:27 AM

The most important thing about the crease is that it tells goalies where they are in the net. It helps them with angles and how far they should come out to challenge the shooter.

#2302552 What's the point of the crease?

Posted by Sycsa on 22 May 2012 - 05:06 AM

Interesting, but I'd get rid of the trapezoid rule first. Also, the crease kinda looks aesthetically presentable to me, the rink would look weird without it.

#2302606 The truth of our decline.

Posted by rrasco on 22 May 2012 - 12:01 PM

More notable ones: Backstrom (G), Kiprusoff, Pitkanen, Hamrlik, T.Ruutu, Edler, Murray, Paajarvi, Enstrom, Hossa, Visnovsky, Jurcina, Meszaros, Halak, Hornquist, A.Markov, Radulov, Voynov and I'm sure i forgot many more.

Paajarvi is playing for the Barons in the Calder Cup. Not sure if that was because the Oilers didn't qualify for the playoffs or if that his forte.

No! Not a new thread! The thread police will come out and attack you! Which btw makes zero sense. What is the purpose of a forum if you can't make new threads?????

You can start new threads here, just not a new thread every day about the same topic.

#2302540 The truth of our decline.

Posted by Heaten on 21 May 2012 - 11:44 PM

I don't understand all the negativity and chicken little atmosphere? Red Wings have some of the best looking prospects we've seen in 20 years, lots of money to spend on talent, and some wonderful UFA available.... and many DRW players hitting their prime or in the prime of their careers.

This is a time to be excited!!!

#2302384 The truth of our decline.

Posted by Nightfall on 21 May 2012 - 08:11 AM

Lets put things in perspective shall we?

Look at the Wings in the last 21 years. They have made the playoffs, and while they haven't been cup favorites every year, I believe the new NHL is ushering in a new era. You have a number 8 seeded LA Kings team that has lost just 2 games in the playoffs this season. It doesn't matter what seed you are. There is a new form of parity in the NHL. The Red Wings have won 4 cups in the last 15 years. That alone is a huge accomplishment. To expect that kind of success in the next 15 years is really not aligned with reality.

The Red Wings are showing no sign of decline. They hit 100 points last season. They have some strong kids in the AHL. Most importantly though, the ownership has spent a lot of money to bring in free agents, make some trades, and worked to keep this team strong. To be honest, I really don't understand how you think that the Wings are "declining". People probably thought that when Shanny and Fedorov left. Same when Yzerman retired. Yet, this team has continued to win and make the playoffs as a result.

Now, to expect the Wings to win the cup every year is ludicrous. There can only be one cup winner, and even in 2007 when we signed Dallas Drake, not many thought we were a lock to win the cup. Many people here s*** on the Dallas Drake signing at the time, and yet the Wings were the best team in the NHL and won the cup that year. Then, the next year they were one win away from the cup when everyone thought they were a lock. The Wings management have put the team in a position to win in the regular season, and then when the playoffs roll around, if they are healthy and get some puck luck they will have a shot at that as well. Yet, this year we got hit with some key injuries and the puck luck was not on our side.

To be honest, the people who are proclaiming the Wings are on the decline have not looked at the bigger picture here. If the Wings were not spending money, then I would agree. If the Wings were depleting their kids in the minors, then I would agree. If the Wings were not willing to bid for free agents, then I would agree. Every sign points to a great season next season. The Wings are going to do what it takes to hit that 100 point mark once again next season, and then when the playoffs hit, all bets are off. Your team has a 1 in 16 shot to win the cup at that point.

I would say if you think the Wings are on the decline now, just wait until the team is sold or handed over to a group of people who only care about making a profit. I mean, why spend $65 million when a new group will only spend $45-$50. Wings fans will continue to buy tickets, and maybe they will make the playoffs. The decline of this team will hit when management decides not to spend money on prominent free agents and just approaches this team from a pure "making money" perspective.

Until then, as a fan, I say hang on and enjoy the ride. No other team in the history of the league has had this level of success that the Wings have had. The fans have become spoiled, and that doesn't surprise me. The "cup or bust" attitude is something I believe in as well. Why put a team out there that isn't going to compete for the cup? The thing is that there are 20 other teams doing the same thing, and there can only be one cup winner with all the parity in the league. Keep your expectations realistic.

#2302347 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 20 May 2012 - 08:01 PM

I wonder why somebody who completely disagrees with the wings system, has zero faith in our veteran players, and thinks we are heading straight into the gutter, is even a wings fan lol.

Just because he doesn't eat the s*** sandwhich put on his plate by arrogant fans/management doesn't mean he doesn't cheer for the team to win.

#2302329 #8 Los Angeles Kings vs. #3 Phoenix Coyotes

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 20 May 2012 - 03:59 PM

Don't the dogs realize that everyone wants to see a New York/L.A. final?

#2302240 A general, how I would build a team

Posted by Richdg on 19 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

Before anyone jumps off of a bridge, this has nothing to do with any team. It is a general set of thoughts. What would I do in terms of team make up and roster control/spending if I was running a NHL team. Keeping some things in mind: 23 man roster and a 70 million $ cap, here we go.

1. Player experience/roster management. Ok we have a 23 man roster. It is impossible to have all 23 players between 27 and 32, which is the prime of most players careers. Not to mention the cost of having a team like that. My ideal roster would have 2 rookies, 2 second year, 2 third year, 2 fourth year, 2 5th, 2 6th, 2 7th, 2 8th, 2 9th, 2 10th, 2 11th, and 1 guy with 12 or more. By doing this you are keeping young and cheap plays coming in and managing the costs. If the average rookie is 22 when he makes the roster, this still keeps the majority of the players between 26 and 32. The prime playing years. Some of course come earlier and some later.

2. managing the cap. If you divide 70 million by 23, you spend 3 million per player. if you actual payroll looked like that you would have a pretty poor team. Also most rookies and young players don't make nor do they need to make 3 million per year. So where and how much do i spend? The backup goalie, 7th Dman, and the 13th and 14th forwards are all at 1 million or less. That is 4 guys of the 23. leaving 66 million to spend on 19 players. The starting goalie is in a 5 million per slot. The 1-6 Dman make the oppisite amount. IE the 1 makes 6, the 2 makes 5, the 3 makes 4, the 4 makes 3, the 5 makes 2 and the 6 makes 1. At this point I have allocated 30 million of the 70 and covered 11 players. Leaving 40 million for the remaining 12 forwards. The 4th line guys make 2 million each. This leaves 9 players and 34 million left to spend. The 6 remaining RW and LW each get paid 3 million. This leaves 3 players and 16 million to spend. The 1 and 2 C get 6 million each, and the 3rd C makes 4 million. That allocates all 70 million allowed for the cap.

3. Now i have never been inside of RW HQ. But I am sure they have a plan along these lines somewhere. Every company does. You have to know where the money is going etc..... Now some may want to spend more accross the board on the top line. So be it, everyone has their own opinions. But in the end, you still have to have 23 players and can only spend 70.

later I will take these thoughts and tie these with the wings and their roster. I am sure that will be fun! LOL!

#2302283 A general, how I would build a team

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 20 May 2012 - 12:52 AM

I'll give Rich a +1 if he agrees to stop starting new threads.

#2302266 The truth of our decline.

Posted by number9 on 19 May 2012 - 07:47 PM

So you have proven that you flunked statistics 101. What a load of crap. All of your number are totals i.e. total points, total goals, etc. So lets's look at Datsyuk. He missed alot of games this year due to injury. As a result he gets a "red" mark in points, shots, goals, etc. because his totals are down and all of his totals are down for the year because of injury. From this you conclude that he is declining. And who cares about having individual players that put up great numbers. It's a team sport and the Wings were once again near the top of the league in scoring.



#2302268 LA Kings as a model?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2012 - 08:02 PM

I can't disagree more with the posters saying that Abby is better than Stoll (or Stall as I guess we're calling him here) I would love to have Stoll as a Wing
As for modeling after the Kings, yea that's a bit silly in my opinion. Aren't we still a team that other teams model themselves after? (I'm lookin at you SJS). When the Kings play better than us for a long time then maaaybe look at trying out their system.
That said, the Kings show up for every game and have a lot of heart...wouldn't mind having guys that looked like they cared a little more.

AGreed. I didn't respond to that post because I wasn't even sure the guy was thinking of the right player.

This year in LA everyone struggled offensively, but I think he's still a 40 point guy. That's something Abby hasn't managed yet.

He's good in the faceoff circle, is their #1 forward on the PK this postseason. Can play the power play. Hits. Stoll was the second line center until they brought in Richards last season.

Here's a pretty good piece on him from ESPN


Maybe one day Abby will develop into that kind of player, but right now there's no way he's better than Stoll.