Scott Stevens

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It has nothing to do with who is untouchable and who is not.  It has to do with constructive criticism that isn't insulting.  Lidstrom can be criticized as much as Conklin, but that doesn't mean because one is our captain and the other is our back-up goaltender, one is afforded more respect than the other.  They both play for our team, they're both important cogs to our team's success, and that's that.  If you can't criticize either one without giving them sophomoric nicknames, then let someone else make your point better and just +1 them.

No, I get that point.  

But come on.  What's the difference between calling Ty Conklin "Craplin" and saying Jiri Hudler is lazy and sucks?  It's the same outcome, but for some reason, the powers that be don't want any nicknaming done while bashing.  I think that is pretty crazy.

P.S.  That made me laugh, Electrophile.

You sound wounded. I gather you were oft-criticized on your old account.

Crysmon, I've got your number.  Fish in a barrel.

If he plays well tomorrow I will eat the crow but I just doubt it.

Unfortunately, you better follow the advice of the people who are telling you "you won't make many friends around here".  Because that translates directly into = you're going to get banned.  Their is a strict law around these parts as to which players you can openly trash as much as you want to and which ones you can't.  Learn it well, or be dismissed.

Lidstrom = God.  Don't even comment on not liking the color of his skate laces.
Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Kronwall = Untouchables.  Anything more than a "what's up with?" and you're gone for 7 days.
Helm/Stuart/Cleary/White/Franzen/Howard/Kindl = DGR's.  As in you better have a Damn Good Reason to say something.  Otherwise, you're gonna take a lot of heat.  And probably will even if what you said was true.
Mursak/Tatar/Nyquist/Bertuzzi/Filppula/Abdelkader/Holmstrom/Eaves/Miller/Emmerton/Conklin = Fair game for bashing, but you will offend one poster who happens to like one of these guys as their favorite for some reason.
Hudler/Ericsson = Open Season.  As far as LGW goes, there can't be enough Hudler or Ericsson Bashing.  Let 'er rip.

I LOVE Cleary.  I just don't think he can do much with the puck, because...you know, he can't.

He's definitely not a puck carrier.  I will give you that.  But he plays wing, so what do you want from him?

So you don't think it had anything to do with you trying to show him new line combos the 5 other days before? ...=)...i had to Blue...all in good fun. DON'T CHANGE..YOU BE YOU.=)

Ha ha ha ha

Blueadams: "Mike, Mike, Mike!  I liked your new line power play combos 5 on 3 set-up the other day night.  They were bitchin, man."

Mike: "Thanks!  You can thank the new assistant coaches for ..."

Blueadams: "Can you put Franzen with Z and D, and move Hudler down with Helm, and move Filppula and Hudler down with Franzen, and ...."

Mike (turns, walks away, and muttles under his breath): "Jesus."



Blueadams later: "..... He completely blew me off."

I don't think he's a particularly great fighter (though he's better than Lilja for sure), but he uses his size well and I though handled Dorsett well.  

We're always talking about guys who can play the game and will drop the gloves when needed.  Ericsson can be one of those guys.  He may not be the best fighter but he's friggin huge, and most of the guys who deserve to have their ass kicked--the Steve Ott's, Sean Avery, Matt Cooke's of the league--aren't that big.  

This team is better if when someone pulls crap against one of our players, they know they're going to have to answer to someone big like Ericsson or Bertuzzi.

???  Yah, people are real scared of Bertuzzi.  His shove-fests are frightening.  

Bertuzzi is a sissy.

Ericsson hasn't fought anybody yet, but he doesn't shy away from it.  I want to see him take on an enforcer.

He's off to a slow start.  That's where I'm gonna leave it.  I bet he'll have 2 3-point nights in a row and everyone will be saying "there we go".  

Can someone do some research on back-to-back games for the Red Wings?  I'd like to know what our record is in them over the last 5 years.  Seems like we're toast no matter who we play in the 2nd game.  I bet it's like that for almost all teams, but it seems like the Red Wings get crushed every time.

I'm going to blame the NHL scheduler for tonight's loss.  We had 7 days to get in 2 fricking games, and we got stuck with Friday/Saturday.  That's stupid.

goalie stick slashes are awesome.  It takes a lot of work to make it all go right.  

Honestly, I don't get it.  I don't get it.  I can't tell whether or not you are purposely pretending to be stupid in order to continue the argument for argument's sake.

How do you stop Datsyuk?

I said put him between TWO players that can't do anything with the puck.

Holmstrom is obviously ONE player.

Zetterberg/Franzen/Filppula/Hudler/etc.-Datsyuk-Holmstrom - - - - - that's a good line.

Bertuzzi/Cleary/Abdeklader/etc.-Datsyuk-Holmstrom - - - - - that's a bad line.

your proposed line of Cleary-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi - - - - - that's a bad line.  that's how you stop datsyuk.  you put him in between two guys that can't do anything with the puck, and you make it a one on five game.

I guess you don't think much of Cleary.  I like Cleary.  Yah, I guess you don't get it.

Filppulerberg.

This guy was money tonight.  Almost seemed like he and Z changed jerseys.

Goal scorers normally hit their prime between 26-28 if I'm not mistaken.

Defensemen hit their prime from at 30 or later.

Not sure anyone got fleeced.  Pittsburgh got a scoring winger they needed and Dallas got a fine young defenseman.

This seems pretty Red Wings history based (Yzerman and Lidstrom)!!!

Stamkos, Crosby, and Ovechkin are sniping goals all over the place in their early 20's.

Defensemen are all over the map talent wise.  Tyler Myers, Victor Hedmen, etc. should hit their primes sooner than 30.  

I think your statement would be pretty accurate 20 years ago.  But today, players are developing younger and faster.  The early 20's players seem to be dominating the early 30's players.  And then there's Nick Lidstrom who just crushes at any age.  He will be dominating 20 year olds in his 50's more than likely.

...how do you stop the greatest player in the nhl (datsyuk)??  you put him on a line with two guys that can't do anything with the puck.  great idea.

so you're saying that Babcock has stopped Datsyuk for the last 5 years by having Holmstrom play on his line?

I believe that.  I think Datsyuk would be far more effective with more speed on his line = Helm/Filppula.

I still think Bertuzzi and Cleary as linemates for Datsyuk wouldn't work out too bad.

Ok just for the guys around here who want to see Parise on the team at the deadline.

What do we give to the Devils for a name like that?

I would love to see Parise come here but Holland and Illitch are more 'Billy Bean' types. Numbers and dollars as opposed to name collecting.

Any trade for a UFA in the 4-6 million per season range is going to involve Smith and a future pick(s).  The Wings aren't going to let that happen, though.  To be realistic, the Wings are going to have to be content with what they have right now and firm up their 3rd/4th line guys for the playoffs.  We have a solid team, but the Bertuzzi's and Holmstrom's of the team need to get their asses squared away and contribute, or make room for the speed we got on the bench.  Mursak/Emmerton/Tatar/Nyquist should be gaining experience right now instead of has-beens padding their career stats.  Babcock knows this and is trying his best to phase them out.

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Hudler is kickin' ass and taking names right now. He is playing the best hockey since we won the cup...so OF COURSE we should put him on the third line

If everyone's healthy, Hudler should be a third liner.  The lines should roll like this:

Franzen-Zetterberg-Filppula
Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Cleary
Hudler-Helm-Abdelkader
Eaves-Emmerton-Miller

Hudler is a GREAT third line player and an average to slightly below average 2nd line player.  He's too small.

Holland brought in Brett Hull, not Bowman. Holland brought in Marian Hossa. Brian Rafalski, Brad Stuart. Derian Hatcher was considered a top defenseman when Holland signed him; calling that signing a mistake because he was injured is like saying the Wings shouldn't have drafted Jiri Fischer because of his then unknown heart condition.

You're saying the same thing I'm saying.  He's brought in players that have HELPED at times.  Andersson and Bowman are responsible for players/development that have been the BACKBONE = Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc, etc, etc.