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#2616006 Yzerman wins GM of Year (& other awards discussion)

Posted by rick zombo on 24 June 2015 - 10:40 PM

Late 1990's to the early 2000's...Even with all that $$$, and a all-star roster the team failed to make the playoffs for 7 seasons in a row.
 
EDIT - I know I'm dating myself by going back to previous seasons...Just that I feel Stevie Y is by far the most deserving.


I agree. I'm mostly just being a jerk. I don't want the competition to succeed at all. Even Stevie. I just can't cheer for the GM of the team that dealt the Wings their most recent playoff loss. Same way I won't be hoping for Babcock to win the Jack Adams anytime soon.


#2614886 Todd Nelson to be Griffins new coach

Posted by number9 on 16 June 2015 - 11:18 PM

Interesting, why didn't he go back to Edm's farm team.  

 

You mean the oilers?




#2610368 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

Ken Holland has been with the organization for 30 years.  18 of which he's been the GM.  He started as as scout, then the director of scouting, then the assistant GM, then the co-GM, and then the full GM.  It's not a coincidence that he was hired just prior to the Wings beginning an epic playoff streak. 

 

To try and dismiss his contributions to the organization as anything less than profound would be an absolutely gross understatement.  He's been more important to this team's success then any other individual. 

 

If you hire a GM from outside the organization, you can argue he's riding coattails.  But it's a little hard to say that about a guy who's been a member of the Red Wings longer than Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. 

 

To a lesser extent, this is true of Stan Bowman as well.  Sure Tallon was the GM before him.  But he started with Chicago in 2001 when they were a garbage team.  Unless he was just standing around playing with himself for 8 years he likely contributed to their assent.  Is he entirely responsible?  No.  But he's contributed from the bottom up. 

 

Yzerman doesn't deserve much credit for that first conference finals appearance as he had just come in from outside the organization and had been with the team for less than a year.  But he deserves credit for every single other success they've had since. 




#2608945 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by MisterDangles on 20 May 2015 - 01:18 PM

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#2608940 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:16 PM

What would be really funny is if this is the offseason that Kenny finally lands a couple big free agents.  :P




#2608926 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 20 May 2015 - 01:10 PM

Can't wait to see Blashill wipe the floor with Mike forever. Good luck Babs, you're gonna need it...




#2608924 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 20 May 2015 - 01:09 PM

I guess this gives other coaches incentive to have early playoff exits and coach team Canada on the side.  

 

:thumbup:




#2608923 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:09 PM

Good luck Babs and thanks for the Cup. 

 

I hope you're at least smart enough not to take the GM job too.




#2608918 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by MrazekFanBoy on 20 May 2015 - 01:06 PM

WOW REALLY. You go to our divisional and original six rival? Go to hell Babcock.


#2608138 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 16 May 2015 - 08:15 PM

You're correct, I did forget that. Maybe he's not over-ripe enough yet, tho.
 

He needs three more years.


#2606039 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by number9 on 04 May 2015 - 09:37 PM

Phaneuf is gonna put Glendening in a head-lock, and force feed him Tim Hortons.

 

Bank on it!

 

Sir, that's merely a Leafs wet-dream... but that's all it is, a dream

 

Dion will be eating Mcdoubles out of Glendenings hands by July




#2605952 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by RedWingsRox on 04 May 2015 - 04:43 PM

Does anyone really care what Devellano thinks?  




#2604628 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 29 April 2015 - 09:54 PM

Blashill, with Lidstrom and Cleary as assistant coaches.  




#2577072 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 01 March 2015 - 11:25 PM

 
How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.
 
Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting). 
 
This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.

Ha. Here's the thing man.
I'm not playing, and even if I were, the sh** you're talking about isn't something you win, your bravado, cockiness, and knowledge of the red wings is all well and good, but you're basing everything you're saying off speculation.

There's no proving your point, and even if and when these prospects, ken Holland, and Jim nill all retire there will be no set way to determine who won this, because hockey IS a game, and their will always be ambiguity about things.
If the prospects make it in one place, theirs no guarantees they would've made it in the other.
And for all this Jim nill ken Holland who's better, who's worthless bs is obnoxious.
The fact that you lay it out So cut and dry, in such matter of fact way with your attitude doesn't make me want to discuss stuff with you, it makes me devalue anything you say.
And anyone who talks about it as such, is not old enough to have an adult conversation on the matter, regardless of age.

The more you know, the less you know.
Now please.
Stop trying to argue with me over something so little.
I don't think we gave up that much.
You do.
I get it.
You're not changing my opinion, no matter how much you tell me you know, and I'm not changing yours. And that's fine.


#2577067 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Echolalia on 01 March 2015 - 11:20 PM

 

How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.

 

Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting). 

 

This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.

 

Actually it sounds like its ONLY vibes.  "who I believe brought way more..." "I believe Holland was created by other good front office people." "He does not seem to be a great stand alone GM".  These aren't facts.  This is what you believe.  And you didn't even bother to try to support these opinions with anything empirical or quantifiable.  As far as any of us are aware you're going off of vibes.

Also, you say Holland's ability to make good trades has nose-dived after people like Nill left.  Nill left in 2013.  Holland only made two trades since then (Legwand and Cole).  That's not exactly a good sample size to base criticism on, especially because the Cole trade isn't even 4 hours old yet, and we haven't had a chance to see what these players can do for their new teams (but considering Holland moved two players who will never see ice as a Red Wing, if Cole plays just one game then the Wings are coming out ahead).  If Holland made any s***ty trades prior to Nill leaving in 2013, are you willing to point the blame on Nill for those screwups?  Or does he only get credit for the good trades, and it was all Holland's idea for the bad ones?  And also, will you be basing your answer off more than vibes again?