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Posted by shoobiedoobin on 27 February 2013 - 10:34 AM
Posted by TheDetroitRedWings on 25 February 2013 - 03:10 PM
Posted by LeftWinger on 24 February 2013 - 01:43 PM
No. I want that too.
You may be the only two then....
Wings belong in the East. Even throwing tradition of the O6 out the window, they are in the Eastern Time Zone and need to be in the East. Plus it will force Holland's hand to adapt this team to a larger type player style of team. Today the best teams are in the East and the Wings need to be with the best teams... I am all for it! Even if it means being in that division that would whoop us around for a bit, but like I said, it'll force Holland to change his team to compete in an Eastern Conference type of game...
Posted by FlashyG on 12 August 2012 - 07:15 PM
Yah, why are those guys going to want to go to Detroit and get paid less because Holland is stupid?
After the trade proposal you just threw out there I think you should be forever banned from calling someone stupid.
Bouwmeester for Emmerton and the chance to sniff Holland's taint would be an overpayment.
Are we that desperate for defence that we'd completely destroy our offence for a slightly better skating Quincey who would instantly be the highest paid player on the team?
Posted by WingsAlways on 30 July 2012 - 04:30 PM
We're desperate for a D man like this you gotta give up some good peices to get good peices... Everyone's bitching about having the same team for the last 4 years and this shakes things up... Yandle is a stud and can almost get as much points as a defenseman as flippula gets on the 2nd line
Yeah but is he worth displacing our top 6 and destabilizing our bottom 6?
I'd like to acquire Yandle as much as anyone else but 2 top 6 forwards and a 1st round pick is robbery any way you look at it.
Swap Emmerton or Kindl for Nyquist and I would pull the trigger
As much as I think this guy is an attention seeking, follower hunting joke, I find myself with twitter open...
Posted by amato on 30 July 2012 - 06:12 AM
Posted by frankgrimes on 27 July 2012 - 08:44 AM
Anyone's stance on any political issue is no longer a topic of discussion at LGW. Please keep any discussion limited to the game of hockey and all that entails.
Love that, the guy did nothing wrong and focusing on family, friends and freedom away from hockey is never a bad thing. He is a great goaltender and deserves some respect. Could easily see him becoming a goaltender coach in Boston.
Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 12 July 2012 - 08:47 AM
Disappointing to say the least. Here's some highlights from a couple morning articles. Don't expect any new Red Wings anytime soon folks!
Basically, SOMEDAY we'll get a good player.....
Detroit Red Wings, your 2015 Stanley Cup Champions!!
Yes Holland, you're right. It's not like we have any kind of scoring problem and desperately need a top 6 forward, despite the fact that we scored an average of 1.8 goals per game during the playoffs AND our own coach said we lost due to weakness in scoring potential for our 2nd and 3rd lines. Sure Holland, all is fine.
And yeah, saying Smith and Quincey will replace Lidstrom and Stuart, respectively, is in it's own level of idiocy alone.
Enjoy your summer folks.
Good God, that is not what he even said.... Stop twisting things to make it sound the way you want it to. He said they have guys that can fill in, so it's not like they are down to 4 defensemen.
Obviously, with the loss of (Brad) Stuart, the loss of (Nick) Lidstrom, we're not as deep as we've been in the past in defense. Two players that are going to replace him that weren't here (last year) are Brendan Smith and (Kyle) Quincey, so it's not like we've lost two guys and don't have any players."
Please don't just make everything fit your doom and gloom attitude...
Look, Holland is being smart here. He tried his best to get both Parise and Suter, but in the end they wanted to be close to their families, which Michigan cannot provide. After those two, the free-agent pool drops off considerably. We have money and we have needs, but is it smart to utilize that money in a poor free agent market in attempt to fill your needs with average players, or would it be better to put a bandage on all the wounds for now and wait until next year when more high profile players will be free to sign wherever they like? Trades are always an option too, but when you need someone to replace Lidstrom, or some top-six sniper (in a dry free agent year no less), prices are going to be high. Holland admitted he wants at least another player before he's comfortable with the team, but it's goIng to be a bandage, not a permanent fix to our roster issues. This year can't provide us with a permanent fix. That's just the reality of it. Better luck next year.
Oh thank you for some sane voices on LGW.... I swear the level of doom and gloom is off the charts. People are acting like the Wings are now Calgary or something.... not even close!
Sorry, but conceding another hockey season (Babs didn't think his roster last year was going to be able to compete) won't fly in this town. Not signing one of the top 5 talents in the league because "we don't like what we hear about him" is ok if your team already has a sniper or two. Well, we don't.
I understand being smart with your money, but when you straight up DON'T SPEND money you have, you are more or less throwing it away. We had $5 million in cap space last year that we didn't spend. Essentially, the Detroit Red Wings cap sat $5 million lower than the NHL cap. That makes no sense to me....
Yeah, risk bringing in a guy who has, by all accounts, a horrible attitude and questionable worth ethic. Risk that because it's not your money, so let's just go on a spending frenzy and grab all the average players we can. Holland is smart not to blow everything up by spending like a 16 year old girl the weekend before Prom. Get a grip people, the sky is not falling. The team, as is, will make the playoffs and will compete.
Remember when everyone wrote Datsyuk off as a non-playoff contributor? How did that turn out?
Posted by StormJH1 on 10 July 2012 - 10:14 AM
Everybody take a deep breath, let this play out and evaluate by training camp. Seriously, free agency opened July 1st, but Doan, Semin, and other FA's aren't even signed yet, and a trade could happen at any time.
Jeez, I know you're frustrated/worried, but the number of "smart" things Holland has done in the past 5 years WAY outweighs the number of failed/misguided moves during that time:
- Re-signing stars to manageable long-term deals
- Circumventing the cap and getting away with it before it became "illegal"
- Recycling useful veterans while other desparate teams
- Drafting, developing, and retaining a borderline elite goaltender (Howard) at about 1/3 of the cap hit of other "elite" goalies
- The Hossa 1-year deal (a low risk, high reward opportunity that got us all the way to Gm 7 of the Cup Finals)
- Despite terrible draft position for the past 20 years, finding guys like Brendan Smith (#27 pick), Tatar (#60), and Nyquist (#121) that look like potentially very good NHL players, especially for where they were drafted.
- Developing young role players (Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, etc.) that keep the Wings as one of the deeper teams in the league
Posted by Crymson on 09 July 2012 - 03:35 PM
A lot of you guys are in denial it seems. You speak as if Z and Dats were in their 20's still. They're aging forwards who will NEVER put up the numbers they once had, so don't expect them to.
Can you last remember when a team with a core of mid 30 year olds won a cup?
Without a talented youth injection, there is zero hope for us. This is simply not a playoff team.
Thank goodness we have you here to tell us that we should lose hope! Otherwise we might end up being disappointed, right?
Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 09 July 2012 - 01:07 PM
Sammy and Brunner are improvements over Hudler. Sammy puts up comparable numbers, but also plays a way better 2-way game. Meanwhile Brunner is a right handed sniper with way better wheels and seemingly more creativity.
Don't read too much into the lines I posted here. I just threw a best-guess out there to give us a look. Pay more attention to the additions/subtractions. What do we think?
*(I'm also assuming here that RFA's Quincey and Abdelkader are returned)
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.866m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) /
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.250m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,483,295; BONUSES: $462,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $12,716,705
Offensively: Top line remains the exact same (Didn't get Pav the help Babcock said we needed to). Brunner - or Samuelsson - replaces Hudler on the second line. Is that an improvement or a step back? Impossible to know right now. In the bottom six I guess Samuelsson - or Brunner - replaces Holmstrom. Probably an improvement in full-strength play, but a step back on the Power Play. Nyquist steps into the lineup full-time, essentially replacing Miller I guess. That gives us a little more scoring depth, but probably hurts a little defensively. Then Tootoo brings some of the grit we wanted to add to the lineup, essentially replacing Emmerton from last season's lineup. That's a bottom-line improvement to me.
...So, in general, what we wanted to do and what we did? We wanted to add some grit, we did in Tootoo. We wanted to add some scoring depth, we did in adding Brunner, Samuelsson and Nyquist to the lineup (assuming that two of those three can at least match Hudler and Holmstrom's offensive production). And we wanted to get Pav some elite level help on that first line, which we didn't do. Which is why it's strange to me that we appear to not be interested in Semin, or even Doan. It'll be so, so costly to trade for a player that could make that kind of impact. In general then - - - I think that we got a little better offensively, but not good enough, not by far.
Defensively: #1 thing we needed to do was replace Lidstrom with an elite level defenseman and we didn't. Brendan Smith essentially replaces him. That's not even close to being good enough. #2 thing we needed to do was replace Stuart with at least an above average defenseman and, again, we didn't. Jakub Kindl (who is just awful IMO) essentially replaces him. That's not even close to being good enough either. #3 thing we needed to do was replace Conklin with a better backup, and while I don't know much about the Monster, all reports and opinions seem to imply that we were successful in that regard.
...In general though, we're just going to be so, so much worse defensively next season. So much worse. We need to trade for a defenseman much worse than we need to for a forward IMO. But again, it will just be so, so costly.
Overall: The way things stand...not really improving that much offensively and getting so much worse defensively...this might be the season that we don't make the playoffs. The rest of the Western Conference has really, really been improving over the last two or three seasons. I see us as a borderline playoff team right now, and that's if things go well, relatively speaking.
Both are also improvements over the 1-dimensional Homer. Sammy can play the point on the PP and Brunner brings more than just standing in front of the net taking penalties to negate half our PP's, he is fast and can clearly move the puck better, but can also hang on to it and make things happen.
Nyquist won't replace Miller cause Miller should be full time on the 4th line. He earned his spot on the team. Nyquist will rotate between 1-3 and should be just fine defensively cause he's good at stealing the puck and has really good wheels to backcheck, unlike Hudler...have fun getting 38 points this year for the Flames, whom suck hard.
No one replaces Lidstrom...end of story. In saying that, Smith is my candidate for the Calder Trophy. He has all the tools to be a top 2 dman and has a nose for the net and is a tough SOB. I predict he will ultimately surpass Kronner on the Wings depth chart and that's from a huge Kronwall fan.
Didn't improve offensively? We lost Hudler and gained Sammy to offset his scoring, Tootoo, whom on a team that gets F all for scoring, got 35ish points on the 3rd/4th lines and added the Swiss Elite league scoring champ who was also a point per game at the world championships.
How many we're doomed threads are you going to make this offseason? We're a week and a bit into free agency and there's 3 months until the season starts, if it starts...