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#2683507 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 20 July 2016 - 07:52 AM

Again ... Why would the jets want anything to do with nyquist? The offense is stacked in Winnipeg if anything they'd want is a leadership presence up front and nyquist certainly doesn't bring that

If there gonna lose a big dman like trouba I'm convinced dekeyer would have to be included as they'd want a really good dman coming back and we don't have any dman blue chip prospects to dangle and ouellet isn't enough,smith is a ufa in one year

I'm trying to be realistic , we won't land him with a Tatar/nyquist ... But like you said and what I've always said the chances of the jets trading trouba are slim , they'd part with Myers before trouba and I could be totally wrong but I do think enstrom would have only one year left on his contract? I can see them buying him out and keeping both Myers and trouba

I'd want trouba over fowler ... Not the biggest fan of fowler but I think most everyone here should be prepared for us to land fowler , the ducks are looking to ship him off for upfront help and I think it's just a good match


Tatar or nyquist with a getzlaf gets 25-30 goals

 

The truth is that Ken Holland is probably playing golf right now - with his cell phone turned off... So I'm not exactly refreshing my twitter feed waiting for a trade to break.

 

My point with the Trouba scenario was that this roster can take on an entirely different look if we can land an impact (top pair) defenceman... Yes its expensive, but we have young assets and all of our draft picks to make it happen. And if it happens, it may not be any of Trouba, Fowler or Shattenkirk - as there are several players available or soon to be available that we don't hear about as fans (Shea Weber).

 

I have to think that he went into the summer with this many forwards to make a trade - with the very real possibility it doesn't work out. 




#2683453 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 July 2016 - 10:30 PM

Anyone who thinks Mantha or AA has a chance of making the opening night roster barring injuries hasn't been paying attention for the last 7 years


#2683449 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 July 2016 - 09:05 PM

Yeah well if the youngins want a spot they have to earn it like Larkin did what's the big deal? Worst case scenario is they play after a huge nosedive or they don't get their chance because everyone is playing better

Because history has shown that 99% of the time the kid loses the roster spot even if he out plays vets.


#2683446 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 18 July 2016 - 08:47 PM

Larkin was in the line up for two reasons. One he did well in training camp and two to try to fill the hole left by Datsyuk's injury. 

 

It's a completely different scenario heading into this year. There are no injuries yet. 




#2683443 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 18 July 2016 - 08:08 PM

Yeah well if the youngins want a spot they have to earn it like Larkin did what's the big deal? Worst case scenario is they play after a huge nosedive or they don't get their chance because everyone is playing better

AA has earned his spot. There might not be one available for him though. There was a spot available for Larkin because Datsyuk started the season injured. People seem to forget that. 




#2683226 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by marcaractac on 14 July 2016 - 07:07 PM

There are contracts that hurt this team. This absolutely is not one of them. He has played under two coaches with this team and they both love having him. Maybe, just maybe they know a little more about what he brings than we do? 

 

He can skate, very good on the draw, and is very efficient in shutting down opponents best players. Especially in the playoffs. He is also good for chipping in 20 points along the way. He makes very few mistakes. He is exactly what you want as a 4th line center. 

 

If a kid comes and outperforms him at that 4C role, the contract is absolutely movable. Hell, in the 2008 playoff run we had Markf****** Hartigan in the lineup at times. It's safe to say disney.com has been the best 4th line center we've had in some time. Even comparable to the last time we've experienced success. Glad he is sticking around. 




#2683209 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by marcaractac on 14 July 2016 - 04:20 PM

Glendening is a plug. He's easily replaceable. Now they're stuck with him even if he gets passed by a bunch of younger guts because nobody will want him in a trade

 

Toronto would take him in a heartbeat




#2683208 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by krsmith17 on 14 July 2016 - 03:46 PM

I don't see how Turgeon or Nastasiuk wouldn't be an upgrade over Glendening in the next 5 years...


#2683204 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by DickieDunn on 14 July 2016 - 03:28 PM

We have a lit if good young forwards in the minors and juniors, so I'm going to give a bunch of mid and low keep NHL players long term deals so the kids can't make the team. - Ken Holland


#2683176 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by krsmith17 on 14 July 2016 - 01:12 PM

I wasn't even thinking about the expansion draft... Does this indicate that Glendening will be one of the players we protect next year? I'm not sure, but if he is one of the protected forwards I will be pissed... Holland surely can't be that dumb though is he?...




#2682982 Revisiting the 2011 Entry Draft

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 July 2016 - 01:40 PM

Jurco's problem is Blashcock pounding a square peg into a round hole. He's a skilled player being told to play like a plug.


#2682578 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 07 July 2016 - 07:22 PM

I wouldn't say I hope we don't trade for a defenseman, but if there's none worth going after (too expensive), I definitely agree that those are the best 23 players. But I think we all know the chance of both Miller and Ott being waived is slim to none...

Left Winger, maybe if you say the Helm signing was useless a few more times, it will make it true...


#2682547 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by joesuffP on 07 July 2016 - 02:50 PM

Replacing Ericsson with Fowler would go a very long way but Wings still need a good top pairing RH'd offensive defensemen badly


#2682423 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 06 July 2016 - 02:27 PM

Neither. I'm starting to think Fowler is overrated.




#2682416 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 July 2016 - 02:07 PM

Hahaha this is the most pointless conversation / debate ever! Not a single person supporting analytics has said that the only thing you need to judge a player is stats, but yet people that are against all of these advanced stats keep coming back and saying that you can't judge a player solely on stats... Well no s***, that's why we've said over and over again that watching is very important as well... But make no mistake, all of these stats are used to aid hockey professionals, from scouts to coaches to broadcasters to writers and so on...

Obviously there are things that these stats cannot tell you, like potential, work ethic, determination, stick handling, shooting and play-making ability, and that is why it's great that most of us are fortunate enough to be able to watch the games... However, some of these things like quality of teammates and opponents, whether a player is sheltered or not, etc, etc that people are claiming cannot be tracked through these advanced stats are flat out wrong. These are the exact types of things that are tracked through advanced stats.

I guarantee a blind person that has never watched a hockey game in his / her life, but has access to all of these advanced stats, would be able to give a better analysis on who is the top 10 players at each position than someone that only relies on watching the games... You know why? Bias. Every single person here, has a bias for or against certain players, and unless you're willing to dig deeper and rely on some of these stats to broaden your perception, you will continue to be in the dark...

Great post by the way ToastyWing. How did you come up with so much info? Was it through stats? Or are you recalling all of this information from all the games you've watched over the years?

nyquististhefuture, you're right, Hakan Andersson didn't use advanced stats when he drafted these guys, and still doesn't because most of these stats are still foreign to developmental leagues, especially in Europe. I doubt many amateur scouts use the advanced stats, but you can bet your a** every single pro scout uses at least some of them... They'd be fools not to. And as much as I love Hakan for the amazing players he's brought the Wings, for every Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk we've been fortunate enough to have, there has been a lot more Motkov, Wikstrom, Petrasek, etc. that have been complete busts. And there's no denying that he hasn't had a pick that looks like a future hall of famer since those guys, back when he was one of the few scouts that was willing to take gambles on these European kids...

And yet people say X is better than Y because... and post nothing but advanced stats with no context as their proof.