Yeah, NYI and St. Louis were real all star teams when he played there. Still solid numbers, first year in NYI they made the playoffs for the first time in years. Saved the Wings asses during the 2008 cup run as well, and was instrumental in them making the Finals the following year. Some people will just never give the guy the credit he deserves because he played on some great Wings teams. Oh well.
He's just not as great as you think he is ... If he played his whole career in nyi and slt he would of won nothing ... Look back at the wings lineups during those glory years ... Truly remarkable stuff , never needed a superstar goalie to win with that lineup
Now imagine if we had hasek in nets as well from 93-05 how many cups we'd have
What really gets me is how people are praising osgood so much and yet s***ting on federov and he's the one who's had the way better career in detroit , only cause he chased some money along the way
I'm really not trying to turn this into an Osgood debate, but it looks like it's already heading that way.
Using the fact that Osgood "took advantage of all-star teams" against him completely ignores the fact that guys like Fuhr, Sawchuk, Plante, and Smith ALL played for dynasty teams as well.
I don't see anybody arguing that Grant Fuhr's banner should be pulled down because he played with Messier and Gretzky.
Those guys you mentioned were also the best goalies of there time and won vezina's and conn smythe's, in nets for many cups
Brodeur roy hasek and others were miles away better than osgood
Osgood holds all the Red Wings goalie playoff records, I think if Fed's jersey get's retired, Osgood's should too.
Ya cause he played for hall of fame teams ... Hawks win the cup again and maybe a 4th you retire corey crawford a jersey in Chicago? Come on .... Ozzie looks like a good guy but he was an average goalie who was fortunate to be in the teams detroit had ... He never had to steal a series for the wings
Can't believe tampa made it to the finals after we gave them the series with a goalie who's greatly overrated
And I didn't want Chicago to win, wanted a new winner .... The 2 teams I didn't want to win ... I can honestly say I'll be watching the nba finals hoping lebron loses over watching the nhl finals this year
At times Helm was a force to reckon with in the post season...He's finally turning into the player that we had hoped he'd become, but then again - as bad as it sounds - maybe his trade value is at a all time high, and what we get in return will fill a few holes?
I doubt he can fetch a lot ... A 2nd + a mid level if were really lucky? He's mostly a bottom 6 guy who can fill In and play top 6 ... And he's a playoff guy who we can never have enough of
In my eyes when zetts 40 and gone (unless he pulls a jagr and keeps performing well enough to play on and on ) helm and abdelkader will be the team leaders to help carry the next wave of wings stars
Basically he will at least be in the AHL come fall. Hoping he makes the Wings roster though. He showed he can play important minutes against high end talent already. Would love to see him get a shot centering the third line.
I just wanna see him develop into a 60-80 pt guy and just don't want us to get all excited and rush him in and go against our ways ... Thinking 1 year ahl is good enough for him to learn .... We'll see what he does in the playoffs
Truth. The franchise is sitting in a very good position because of Holland and Babs. I just don't get the whole "needing a fresh face" when the roster has almost completely turned over in the last 3 years. It's not like it has been the same roster for 10 years. Also, after watching that TSN interview, it is sounding like he is leaning towards staying. Seems like he just wants to talk it over with family once he gets back from the World Championships.
If babs stays will I be upset? No ... I won't be in an uproar for him coming back ... My preference is we go a different route , preferably with jeff Blashill
My personal opinion is he's a good coach but overrated ... Those gold medals for me don't count as the teams were stacked full of all star players
From 2010-2015 we haven't done anything in the playoffs and we had hank and pav from ages 29-35? ... It's not like there career was done and over with
And as for the franchise sitting pretty I'd put that more on holland for not panicking and trading away top prospects and out scouting staff for always refilling the prospect pool with real good talent
I agree with this but his post was basically stating Sheahan is the superior player right now. Just had to set it straight that it's not the case.
The way I see it is Z can't center a line anymore. he needs to just focus on playing wing. Soderberg isn't some scrub, he's a useful NHL player that could help us in the 2nd line center spot imo, more so then Sheahan right now. With half decent linemates (he played 3rd line in Boston) I think he can get 50+ points and play a solid two way game.
This all depends on Salary and term but for 2-3 years at 4 - 4.5 million I don't see how you say no. Ship out Weiss and Anderson, LTIR Franzen. Sign Petry / Franson.
Z - D - Abby
Nyquist - Soderberg - Tatar
Pulk - Sheahan - Jurco / Helm
Miller - Glen - Jurco / Helm
The ? On the 4th line is if we could add a big bodied 4th liner who can just hit and bruise opponents that's what I'd love to add but I don't see it happening .... And I just noticed we both dont have Franzen , although his future is uncertain
Looking above I could totally see us trading nyquist in a trade for a top dman and we'd still be ok upfront and still have youth