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#2578005 Pulkkinen sent back to GR

Posted by kipwinger on 03 March 2015 - 02:49 PM

I'm really baffled by this suggestion that guys should get playing time based on their potential and not based upon what they've earned.  Teemu Pulkkinen got a look on the scoring lines because at lower levels he scored well.  He's being sent to the minors because he didn't do anything with those opportunities.  I'm sure the coaching staff will give him some feedback, tell him what to work on, and he'll get another shot later.  But some of you think he should be given MORE opportunities and not less?  That's not how accountability works. 

 

It seems like some folks would rather see their favorite players, rather than the better players, given time.  That's not how good organizations work.  If you're a fan of giving promoting guys based on their potential, and not their production, I'd recommend watching the Oilers.  I'm sure they need the support.




#2577655 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 02 March 2015 - 02:24 PM

 
Just another tough guy lover scared away from here by the modern Wings fan.  

Only dinosaurs and rush Limbaugh are scared away by the thought of change.


#2577376 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Nightfall on 02 March 2015 - 11:53 AM

I gotta give props to Mickey Redmond on calling this trade; he predicted that the Wings would add some depth at forward which is exactly what Holland did...Time to eat my crow.


The way I see it - how many years does Hank/Dats/Kronner have left in their 'prime'?

 

All 3 are well in their 30's, and are starting to show wear...I feel it's gonna be now, and/or next year.

 

I disagree.  The franchise as a whole has given these three players many opportunities to win championships.  They should have repeated in 2009 but the Penguins had different plans.  In 2013 they had a 3-1 series lead on the Hawks and lost 3 straight.  There are other examples I could throw out there, but my point is that its not like they have been toiling in hell with no chance to win a cup like many other great players who retired without a championship.

 

All 3 are going to be retiring with at least 1 championship.  I don't believe that this year or next year is a "all in" kind of season for the Wings because the health of the franchise is more important.  Holland won't mortgage the future to give 3 players another crack at the cup.  What he will do is give the team as a whole an opportunity to compete for a cup like he is this year.  He will set the team up for future success so the next wave of stars like Nyquist and Tatar will be able to captain a team to a championship of their own.

 

Keep in mind when the season started, many members on this forum thought this team was a fringe playoff team at best.  Some wanted to just "tank" the season for a high draft pick.  Oh how quickly we forget these facts.




#2577109 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2015 - 11:59 PM

Sooooo, the Cole trade was a good one then?  Or bad?  I'm confused by this thread? 

 

Does Holland suck for the Cole thing or no?  I mean, I already know he sucks for not giving his job to a less qualified dude, just because said dude is a feel good story.  But does he suck for the trade? 




#2577105 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by number9 on 01 March 2015 - 11:55 PM

 

I don't take it as not being a pushover...i view it as selfish. Sure, it his job. A job that he's had 4 times as long as 95% of GM's. That said, he knew what Yzerman meant to this franchise, the city, and to the Ilitch family. I'm sure he would have been paid as much. If he was so unhappy, most teams would have hired him id imagine. But he HAD to be the GM at the expense of Yzerman leaving...most likely to not return. That, to me, isn't balls...its almost disrespectful to the wishes of the owner and the fans.

 

I know. I quit my job recently because the guy I trained to be a manager (I'm a manager as well) wanted my job. So instead on sending him to the branch that needed a manager I stepped down and assumed a corporate job I hate. Ain't I a good guy? Praise me.




#2577100 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by wings87 on 01 March 2015 - 11:47 PM

Damn, I leave the board for an hour and the place has gone bat s*** crazy.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!


#2577094 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Echolalia on 01 March 2015 - 11:41 PM

 

You guys are fascinating today...i didn't call you or anyone other than that kid into question. I respect a lot of the people that post here because they post rational, fact based, respectful responses...I just thought his response ("....just because the vibes Holland gives off tell you that he's a crappy gm") was not accurate and was not what i said. But please go back two needlessly making me into "that guy"

 

Friendly advice:

If you didn't include your first paragraph and the last line of your response, nobody would be giving your a hard time right now.  But bringing up your fan history and thumping your chest for being a die hard Wings' fan (on a Wings' forum where 90% of us can easily claim the same credentials or more), then following it up with the snarky comment about "thanks for playing" to close your post came off badly.  Very badly.  Most of us try to be friendly to one another here, even if we disagree with something, but when comments like that are made, people are going to gang up on you.

Likewise, if you stated an opinion in some other thread and jimmyemeryhunter (or whoever) posted something belittling and arrogant in response, myself and probably several others would come to your aid and attack the perpetrator.

Its just how we roll.

 

edit: sorry I was typing this up as your warning was being posted Mabus.  I do think its worthwhile for anyone interested in having an engaging and respectful conversation to be informed of this, though.

As for the trade itself (to get back on topic), I stated my views a couple pages back in a long-winded post I don't feel like retyping up here, but tl;dr: Cole will contribute here, the prospects we gave up won't.  Cole fills a need that the Wings have.  Looks like a good trade.




#2576671 Once again blowing a lead and giving up 3 goals

Posted by chaps80 on 01 March 2015 - 06:30 PM

No no, the old Wings, when they gave up the lead, they just quit playing and allowed the other team to win.

 

lol




#2576329 2/28 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Predators 3

Posted by rick zombo on 28 February 2015 - 05:48 PM

Doesn't seem right. But I'm not complaining about an NBC-less afternoon.

No shame losing to the Preds today. The dreaded road trip will still be a success.

But I have a feeling the offense shows up. 4-3 Wings.

 

:bye:




#2576316 2/28 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Predators 3

Posted by Jersey Wing on 28 February 2015 - 05:45 PM

Like I suppose you can do better than going into the team with the best record's rink and TAKING a win in the third period. Most decent I must say!!

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#2576126 2/28 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Predators 3

Posted by wings87 on 28 February 2015 - 04:55 PM

 
I know the Wings have "composure", but this would be a good time to start losing it. If anyone on the team has any balls, time to show em. 


We have enough problems with Helm being injured, no point in making it worse by having a player get arrested for showing his balls to a full arena.


#2575570 Sounds like the New York "Islanders" are no more...

Posted by marcaractac on 27 February 2015 - 10:15 AM

Says it will just be their 3rd jersey. 

 

First sentence of the article: "The New York Islanders aren’t about to give up their franchise’s name when the team moves to Brooklynnext season."




#2574703 Going To My First Wings Game - Suggestions?

Posted by WingsAlways on 25 February 2015 - 08:03 AM

I smuggled in a half pint of Vodka my first game and got an applause from the surrounding fans when I revealed it.

 

DISCLAIMER - I am not a role model.

 

Enjoy your first game!




#2574354 Is Jimmy Our Playoff Goalie?

Posted by rick zombo on 24 February 2015 - 11:24 AM

Throw another thread on the pile.




#2573955 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 23 February 2015 - 10:53 PM

Not that kip needs defending, because he doesn't. But I feel like sometimes people lose the bigger point he's trying to make in all of his *insert tenacious breed of dog here*-with-a-bone...ness, and I think it's an important one. He's not telling people they can't have an opinion, he's invalidating the faulty logic people use to *justify* these opinions. Is it ok to have an opinion that other people disagree with? Absolutely! Is it ok to misinterpret facts and create statistics and deny research/science and use logical fallacies to support said opinion? Nope, and someone who appears to be as familiar with logic as kip is is going to call you out on it every time. Cognitive dissonance exists as a concept for a reason--we all do it. I'm intimately familiar with traumatic brain injuries and how they affect the lives of those who suffer from them. I'm also an emotionally reactive person who enjoys when someone who pisses me off gets their ass beat (um...on the ice). Difference is I don't try to justify this enjoyment with anything other than nostalgia and personal warm fuzzies because the reality is no argument otherwise holds water in the face of fact.

 
I think he's made it clear that it's the arguments people use to justify fighting that bothers him. It bothers me too, and I love fighting. I don't like it because I think it protects stars (those days are longggggg gone). I like it because it's fun to watch. The same reason why I like big hits. I wanna see my boys pound on inferior teams players.
 
But go on, keep lying to yourselves that their is some deep unmeasurable impact that fighting has on the game that isn't just more injuries.


Seriously? I just posted a novel saying the same thing and you cut in line with TL;DR. :lol: