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#2555019 Honest question for everyone.

Posted by marcaractac on 09 December 2014 - 01:39 AM

How long do you have to see a player or team doing something before you put a label on them?

Like for example I've seen people call Franzen a 30 goal a year scorer even though he has done it once.

I'm just curious what peoples timelines are for putting a label on someone.

For me it's 2-3 years.


That's why I've personally given Weiss the injury prone tag cause that's how his last few years have been. But if he stays healthy for the rest of this year and next then I'll remove that injury prone label and pencil him in as a reliable second line player(hopefully center).

I only ask because people call me negative by using this method. But I feel that usin a 2-3 year rule is the best way to form an educated guess.

The last two years the wings finished 8th. So my educated guess was they'll finish in the 6th-10th range just because that's been the trend.

If Tatar scores 30 goals this year some people will consider that enough to label him a 30 goal a year guy? I want to see it for two years back to back or two out of three.

Some people jumped on the helm bandwagon last year when he scored at a higher rate than he ever did. I was called negative for saying that won't continue because of several years of stats showing that.


Would people consider nyquist and Tatar proven NHLers yet?

 

The problem with Weiss is that he has been the player he has been for the last 10 games or so pretty well all his career. And you tend to base him off of a couple seasons of terrible luck. So in his case, he has shown enough to be given the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he had one good season, got his payday, then s*** the bed after the fact. 

 

With young players, I hope they keep it up. I understand they are going to go through growing pains. I understand that they are going to make mistakes. But this franchise has been great at developing players. There have been very few one and done players on this team over the years. 

 

Guys like Goose and Tatar are definitely proven at this level. They are still young, and might slump here and there. There is no reason to think that they will suddenly start to struggle big time. If Tatar is able to pot 30 this year, I see no reason why he wouldn't do it again. So yes, I would call him a 30 goal scorer. If he were to never do it again, I'd call him a former 30 goal scorer. Unlike Franzen, Tatar has always been a go to guy for scoring. Franzen's scoring just suddenly came out of nowhere. So when he goes through his scoring slumps I see no reason to be surprised. But scoring is what Tatar does. It's what he is on this team to do. 

 

As for the standings the last 2 years, those two years vs this one were very different circumstances. Without the injuries that hit last season, this team we are seeing right now could have very well been last year. So the only way to expect another 8th place finish this year is to either be riddled with injuries again, or just have the older players on the team regress and the young players have zero improvement. Hardly a cause for concern. 

 

I simply don't put labels on players. I see no point really. Kronwall used to be brutally unlucky with injuries. But things have changed. Helm had his rough luck as well. And of course most recently Weiss. But in neither case did this scream 'injury prone' to me. Just tough luck. 




#2554902 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by number9 on 08 December 2014 - 02:57 PM

Of course you didn't see it that way. You and I went to American schools. We aren't going to sell our story as one where bunch of rich guys were trying to dodge taxes. I wasn't even saying they were wrong to do that (they did plenty of other things that were wrong). My point was only that resisting the government isn't always wrong, especially when that government is oppressive.


I got to "dodge taxes" and wanted to keep reading, but unfortunately I got some FREEDOM in my eyes and couldn't continue on.

Back on topic, in the end it's probably good that Bernier didn't know about Mandela. After all the guy was a commie.


#2553931 12/4 GDT - Stars 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by WingsAlways on 04 December 2014 - 09:48 PM

So Quincey with a Gordie Howe hat trick this year, a goal, fight, and assist all in the same season.




#2540851 Jeff Petry; trade between us and oilers

Posted by Praying Mantha on 15 October 2014 - 04:13 PM

 
Weiss spent his career on a struggling bottom feeder team.  He got out. He's not going to go back to that situation if he can help it, regardless of playing time.  He's probably frustrated but he knows the chance is good he'll get a shot to play.  Him sitting is just too weird for me, I don't see it the same as Samuelsson's constant scratch status, for example.  He probably sees it that way, too.


Sammy fleeced Holland. Hopefully Weiss provides some ROI.


#2551965 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 26 November 2014 - 07:46 AM

 

 

FLYERS (8-9-3) AT RED WINGS (11-5-5)

TV: NBCSN, TCN-PH, FS-D+

Season series: The Philadelphia Flyers extended their string of regular-season home victories against the Detroit Red Wings to nine in the first matchup, with Flyers forward Michael Raffl scoring two goals and an assist. It was the first home victory of the season for Philadelphia, which won two of three games against Detroit last season.

Red Wings team scope: Veteran forward Stephen Weiss scored two goals Monday in the Red Wings' 4-3 home win against the Ottawa Senators in his return from a groin injury that held him out for all but one of the Red Wings' first 20 games. Center Pavel Datsyuk (groin), who has missed four straight games and six of the past eight, also could return against the Flyers. After centering the third line in practice Tuesday, Datsyuk's availability will be determined after Detroit's morning skate Wednesday. If he plays, look for second-year forward Tomas Jurco to get bumped from the lineup. Defenseman Brendan Smith (hand infection) returned to practice, but likely will need more time to recover despite being eligible to come off injured reserve Wednesday. Goaltender Jimmy Howard will start against Philadelphia.

Flyers team scope: Goalie Steve Mason stopped 46 shots through regulation and overtime before allowing goals in the shootout to forwards Frans Nielsen and John Tavares in a 1-0 defeat to the New York Islanders on Monday. It was the continuation of a frustrating trend for the Flyers, who have dropped all three of their shootouts this season and eight straight dating back to last season. Philadelphia was 3-8 in shootouts in 2013-14 and have an NHL-worst 27-54 record in shootouts since they were instituted in 2005-06. The Flyers continue an eight-game stretch that will send them on the road for all but one game. Philadelphia is averaging 2.1 goals per game on the road compared to 3.5 per game at home. Raffl (foot) has missed eight games, but practiced Tuesday in Detroit and could return this weekend.

 



#2550732 In an odd way.....

Posted by Richdg on 21 November 2014 - 09:22 AM

Because it is early in the season, in an odd way I actually look forward to Griffins games more than RW games atm. It is the young talent - Mantha that I am really looking forward to watching. Hell I don't even care about the Griffs record. Just that Mantha, Pulk, Oullett, Sproul, AA, etc... have good games. Of course if they all are, the record will take care of itself. If we can find 2-3 more studs like Mantha over the next couple of years, then by 2020 we will be legit SC contenders again.




#2549918 11/18 GDT Red Wings 5 @ Blue Jackets 0

Posted by Euro_Twins on 18 November 2014 - 09:32 PM

in honour of scoring more than 1-2 goals.... drumroll please...

 

 

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thank you green man




#2549031 11/14 GDT : Blackhawks 1 at Red Wings 4

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 14 November 2014 - 09:48 PM

I'm stuck with the Hawks feed, and they just complained about subtle interference!  :yowza:

 

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#2514153 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by IndianaRedWing on 22 April 2014 - 09:57 PM

He didn't have to shut them out in Game 2.  The Wings made it a 2-1 game and Howard lets in a somewhat soft goal late in the second period to totally deflate the team.  How different would that game have looked only down 1 goal and the team skating well.  That is what I meant  by the timing of the goals.

 

So much denial here. Howard didn't kill the Wings' chance to win tonight. From the opening faceoff, the Wings never gave themselves a chance.

 

When you score 2 goals in 3 games and you *aren't* facing elimination in game 4, there's a good chance that your goalie is your series MVP. Not because he's necessarily been lights out, but because everyone has been worse.

 

And even then, it's not enough. Apparently, there's widespread belief that Howard has to keep track of when his teammates are having, ahh, that time of month. He has to wear the pants on the team.

 

Okie dokie. 

 

It's unbelievable that people think the team that's showed up for the first 3 games could legitimately compete for the cup, but for Howard. Whatever makes the loss easier to take, I guess. It's probably better than booze.




#2491091 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Mckinley25 on 05 March 2014 - 05:42 PM

 
I can tell you based upon what we saw today that Detroit got hosed. I can tell you based upon Holland's own statements and the information available that the deals that were offered for players like Yandle and Jbo (among others) were in the same ballpark as what other teams were asked or actually paid. So I have to believe that Holland is the issue, not the 29 other GMs.


If it was that easy, I can't believe it didn't happen.

It's easy to sit here looking at a roster and making up trades that "could've" gotten it done.


#2491115 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Shaman on 05 March 2014 - 05:53 PM

In the end, Holland made a move that gives the team a good chance at the playoffs while trading a spare forward, a draft pick, and a player who may never have played for the the Red Wings.  If Jarnkrok decides a full time job in Nashville is worth staying for and he develops into a top 6 center, this trade should be viewed as a definitive win for Nashville.  If Jarnkrok bolts or never develops, Detroit wins.

 

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And after they get bounced from the playoffs we get to hear Holland dust off the old gem of a speech 'well its important to get into the playoffs, anything can happen, had a bounce gone our way' etc etc etc. The realistic outcome of this trade is the Wings sold more of their future to keep a streak alive that is meaningless anyway.




#2491040 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by brooklynsour on 05 March 2014 - 05:21 PM


The problem is he send only top 6 potential center prospect not name Sheahan


 
There's time to get more center prospects. There isn't time to find a patch for the Wings. This trade makes sense from almost all risk management perspectives.

Would rather skip 1 season of playoffs than give away our future


#2490834 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 March 2014 - 04:23 PM

not downplaying Jarnkrok or Legwand, but it was way overpayment. Holland is not a good GM, in any sense if the word...




#2490799 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 05 March 2014 - 04:16 PM

I'm changing teams .... I can't believe this f***en bulls*** .... If your giving up a top guy like jar ok for A 33 yr old 3rd line ufa center what the hell was holland gonna give up for a top 4 d?

I've supported holland forever but this trade alone he deserves to get fired

I can't remember being this upset in so long .... He just traded away our potential future number 1 center!


Ughhhhhhhhj


#2490629 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nevermind on 05 March 2014 - 03:41 PM

I really doubt Jarnkrok is the prospect. If he is, Holland should be fired.