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#2534586 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on Yesterday, 07:43 PM

@theScore: Kovalev is unsure why P.K. Subban is worth $72M: 'He plays like he did on streets as a child.' http://t.co/GoV5aINrNn http://t.co/AFKZPl1Rq8

SHOTS FIRED

 

It's pretty hilarious that Kovalev of all people would call out a player.  Especially the part about scoring 5 goals but allowing 5 goals.  Maybe check your career +/- there Alex.  The guy embodied the lazy Russian stereotype when he played.  

 

I guess he's not been getting enough attention lately? 




#2534567 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by wings4thecup06 on Yesterday, 04:29 PM

@theScore: Kovalev is unsure why P.K. Subban is worth $72M: 'He plays like he did on streets as a child.' http://t.co/GoV5aINrNn http://t.co/AFKZPl1Rq8

SHOTS FIRED

 

I have to say, I agree with Alexei. 




#2534517 CBC partners with Rogers in landmark NHL rights deal.

Posted by cusimano_brothers on 18 August 2014 - 07:24 PM

Things like this will often occur when you sell your soul to the Devil.




#2534486 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Fred_Bear on 18 August 2014 - 01:19 PM

 

To preface my own point, none of us are actually in the room when an offer is made. So other then hearing rumors and speculation, none of know for sure what was offered or what was turned down.

 

Rumor has it that Holland did try to sign some of these UFA's, but once the term/$ amount got ridiculous with the exception of Suter he walked away which I am personally extremely thankful for, even in the case of Suter (no thank you 14 years).

 

Also, I don't get why people speak as if Holland hasn't gotten a UFA in years. The fact that he didn't sign Boyle, Niskanen, or Erhoff this season is not a big deal, and each player had his own reason of going where they did. Last year the top UFA's were LeCavalier, Iginla, Alfie, Fillpulla, Weiss, and Clarkson, and he signed Alfie and Weiss two of the biggest out there. I'm sure some people are reading this saying "you're saying those are big names lol" to which I respond "you're right, buts that free agency now". This years class was "headlined" by Niskanen and Stasny, middle of the road to good players being overpaid to contracts that teams are going to be looking to buy-out or trade away in a couple years (In the case of LeCavalier it didnt even take 1 full season). Unless you are giving a vet a couple years, anyone at the top of a UFA class is going to be overpaid.

 

I understand that nobody is in the room, but you can't give the guy a pass on the bad because of it and only 'see' the good when someone signs. Ultimately, Holland's track record in FA signings isn't that good the last several years.

 

List of Holland's big signings (~$2M+/year) since the last Cup:

08-09 - Marian Hossa (1yr - not re-signed)

09-10 - None

10-11 - None

11-12 - Ian White (2yrs - not re-signed)

12-13 - Jordin Tootoo (3yrs - compliance buy-out)

12-13 - Carlo Colaiacovo (2yrs - compliance buy-out)

13-14 - Daniel Alfredsson (1yr - not re-signed as yet)

13-14 - Stephen Weiss (5yrs - played 26 games and scored 4 pts in year 1)

14-15 - Kyle Quincey (2yrs for a player Detroit was ready to walk away from)

 

The Suter/Parise snub was at least 'understandable' given the same money/term from Minnesota and the connection the players felt. Having Niskanen, Boyle, and Erhoff walk away from potentially more money in Detroit (in some reports) is more concerning. The fault isn't all on Holland, for sure, but top management should be looking in the mirror and trying to determine how to get better regardless of where you lay blame.

 

And, as someone else points out, FA isn't the only key to success. You have to draft well, too. So how many top-6 forwards or top-4 defensemen has Holland picked up in the last six-seven drafts?

 

2008-09 - Gustav Nyquist

2009-10 - Tomas Tatar (maybe)

2010-11 - None

2011-12 - None

2012-13 - None

2013-14 - Anthony Mantha (projected)

 

Drafts are much harder to judge especially for a draft-and-develop team like Detroit. The Wings do have a couple kids who still project well, too. But a lot don't. They are bottom-six / bottom pair grinders. It's drafting by a team/GM which relies on supplementing his home-grown talent with pick-of-the-litter FAs. You can't draft grinders and then not come through on the FAs...

 

The Wings haven't been a team which settles for 'serviceable' over the past few years. Is that what Detroit is becoming? 




#2534444 Ice Bucket ALS Challenge: Bettman edition

Posted by evilmrt on 17 August 2014 - 10:04 PM

I wish the bucket would have been filled with something else




#2534315 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 August 2014 - 01:05 PM

Things I will give Ken Holland full credit for:

 

-Restocking the prospect shelves. Let's face it, the drafting was pretty hit and miss during the early to mid 2000's. Kenny doesn't get full credit here, but he was part of turning around the prospect pool.

 

-Being smart with prospect progression. I know a lot of people hate the whole overripe thing, but Nyquist and Tatar are examples of players who have greatly benefited from gaining experience in the minors.

 

-Signing younger players to solid deals. I think his "bridge deals" are a real positive. Guys like Zetterberg, Filppula and Kronwall all got them, now it's guys like Tatar and most likely Nyquist next year. He seems to be good with the younger player's deals.

 

-Rebuilding on the fly. Most teams need to tank, sell off their assets and completely alter their team. Detroit's managed to keep their superstars, and nearly all of their promising young players while staying competitive. Whatever your definition of competitive is, Detroit hasn't been a basement dweller - that's a plus in my eyes.

 

Things I don't think are Ken Holland's fault:

 

-Missing out on big name free agents. The salary cap has changed the playing field in the NHL, but I also think that the attitudes of players have changed. It's almost as if they want teams to chase them. The whole Suter thing was mind-boggling to me. You're a GM and you get on a plane to go talk to a player? Guys wanting to play in their hometowns, with their best friends, etc. is out of Ken's hands, I think. Does he need to change his approach, perhaps? It's a situation now where players want three things: comfort, comradery and cap hit. The one thing Kenny can control is giving out money, so luring players here is going to be a matter of over payment, I think.

 

Things I want to slap Ken Holland for:

 

-Misguided loyalty to veteran players. The list of players could go on and on, but we know the deal here.

 

-Bringing back familiar talent. I think you can also accuse Kenny of playing it "too safe" here. Bringing back talent to take the places of prospects he feels aren't ready yet. It's kind of a double-edged sword, but at times I think Kenny holds guys back too much. It was great for Gus and Tatar to stay down, but then the team also had that mess at the beginning of the year with Bert, Sammy and Cleary taking up spots.

 

-Poor judgement with trades and contracts. The Quincey and Legwand trades still bother me. Giving out 3 million dollar, NTC contracts to 35+ year-old vets, and a 4.25 million dollar contract to a pylon.

 

All things considered, I don't think there's another guy for the job right now, but that doesn't mean I think Kenny is totally effective in his post. He's done a lot of great things for this team, and recently some not-so-great things. If he could just alter his approach to trading, I think he would be totally set.

 

This team is entering a situation where the star players will be done in a few seasons, and there's quite a bit of talent waiting in the wings to take their place. The question is, which guys are going to become legitimate superstars, and what is Kenny going to do with the excess talent? I think Nyquist, Mantha, Jurco and Tatar all have potential to be star forwards on this team, DeKeyser, Ouellet and Sproul strike me as the future of the blueline, but who knows what will happen when they're not insulated anymore. Kenny's going to have some big decisions to make with the talent on this team, and they're going to determine if this entire "rebuild on the fly" process was really effective or not.




#2534262 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 02:29 PM

 

I disagree with that statement. Just getting in the playoffs because the Kings have won it twice as lower seeds doesn't mean that's all it takes. The Red Wings, even completely healthy, don't have anywhere near the talent level right now to compete with the elite teams in the league. Some puck luck and health doesn't get them past Boston in the first round. 

 

I'm not that upset Holland is back (besides the term), but just making the playoffs is one of the problems with Holland at the moment. I don't believe that's something to celebrate when efforts aren't being made to get the team out of that middling position. 

 

Agreed. It's a huge misperception some people have about the Kings because of their playoff seeding.  It overlooks just how good that roster is, as well as the moves they made to improve it. 

 

The Kings have tremendous players like Kopitar, Doughty, Quick. A sniper like Jeff Carter (who's also very good defensively).  Talented rookies like Pearson and Toffoli.  Solid role players.  They're big, physical, have guys with speed.  PLUS they made the deadline acquisition of Gaborik, who had 14 goals and 22 points in 26 playoff games.

 

With all that going for them, they still had epic battles through every round of the playoffs against great teams.




#2534260 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Vladinator16 on 14 August 2014 - 02:19 PM

I don't know if the tires can take another four years of being kicked. 




#2534213 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 09:22 AM

Honestly, I'm disappointed.  

 

Holland has pretty clearly run out of ideas these last few seasons, so I don't have a lot of hope for significant changes to rebuild the franchise over the next 4 years.  

 

Who knows though. Maybe he'll finally realize the crap he's done lately isn't working? Maybe??  

 

 

If I were Babcock I'd start looking to other teams.




#2533897 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 07 August 2014 - 11:55 PM

Well you saw kips post an do agree with him. The wings are missing so much on free agents and trades it's not even funny. But yes they're great at drafting but you can't win just via the draft. At some point some prospects need to be moved.

Trading jarnkrok was fine but only for a rental? That's not fine.

Since we can't get free agents we need to make a trade. Some of the guys being trades we should be on. Guys like Ryan and spezza etc etc.

 

Oh f*** you Mother f***** posting this s*** at 1 am when I'm good and drunk. I'll deal with you tomorrow after 5 pm when honest Americans have the reasonable ability.




#2533854 Report: NHL to have 5 outdoor games in 2014-15.

Posted by puckloo39 on 07 August 2014 - 02:48 PM

Outdoor games have jumped the shark.  Literally.




#2533807 Rafalski to US Hockey Hall of Fame

Posted by 55fan on 06 August 2014 - 05:07 PM

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

 

Well-deserved.  3 Olympic teams, good NHL career, and all around good guy.




#2533575 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Barrie on 02 August 2014 - 10:26 PM

I think we all know by now and it's obvious that Holland is a respected man around the league but a terrible decision maker and was made to look like a hero when he took over a star-studded team that everyone wanted to play for and there were no cap concerns in stopping players from coming here. Well those glory days are over and we now see how truly incompetent Holland really is as a GM. I'm just wondering how long the Illitch family will be fooled into thinking he is still a top GM.

 

Another person on this board that has no idea how the Salary Cap works.

 

I was around here when the 2005 lockout was going on. I was only one of a few posters who didn't want a salary cap, because I knew it meant we couldn't go out an sign guys like Hull, or get Chelios at the deadline anymore.

 

The majority of people here wanted a salary cap, and now they expect things to still be like it was in 2001-02. Can't have it both ways.


not sure if anyone posted that Gardiner re-signed with Toronto for $4.05M...he was a RFA defenseman.  So, this will probably be the starting point for DeKeyser.  He will more than likely get a similar contract.

 

How many people have looked at the Leafs http://capgeek.com/mapleleafs/ they're in trouble next year!




#2532785 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by mackel on 22 July 2014 - 11:41 AM

I think Diesel should get about $3M max. I would prefer $2.5M.  Lets consider the possibility that Kindl may likely be gone, so that would free up $2.4M.  If Diesel was going to get $3M, then if Holland gave him a bit more, it wouldn't hurt the cap too much.  I would like $2.5M to $3M, but I would be upset if he got $3M to $4M. We have to get him locked up. He chose Detroit over all the other teams who were throwing offers to him, Holland needs to exercise his well known loyalty contract and show his appreciation for choosing Detroit.  No lowballing, no this is Detroit, no we are farmers...none of that.  Its time for a change in philosophy.  Start showing the FA's out there that you are willing to pay quality players, quality money and they may start taking notice.  Stop paying your below average players the same amount of money you are offering the high end UFA's and things will change.
 
If we dumped Kindl, I wouldn't mind seeing Diesel and Tatar getting a combined $5M-$6M...with Diesel getting the bulk share of course.


By Diesel do you mean Kevin Nash? Cause thats a horrible nickname that I really hope doesn't catch on.


#2532721 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 03:45 PM

I'll be honest, I have no idea what the negotiating was like a couple years ago, for either side.  At the time, he was coming off his first 3 years in the league in which he put up totals of 3 goals, 13 goals and 18 goals (along with 26 points, 26 points and 55 points).  Personally, I'd be worried about whether the 55 point total was a fluke or not, but he did look to have nice progression.  Historically, most teams in this situation end up paying for future potential and hope to see further development.  What I don't know is what the Avs were offering or what he was asking for at that time.  If the Avs were low balling him, I'd agree with you, not something you want to do, but if they were offering something reasonable and he was asking for something unreasonable, I'd have a different tune.  There is no way he was worth the contract he signed though and now the Avs look bad in trying to bring him back to something that's more realistic.

 

As you say, if they low balled him a couple years ago, that's where the problem comes from.

 

This could be total bulls***, but I remember at the time that O'Reilly was looking for the same money as Duchene was going to get (3.5 mil) and Colorado didn't want to give that to him so he wasn't signing.  Hard to blame him if that was the case considering he was probably the better all around player after their first 3 years, but again, that could all be b.s.