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#2536548 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 18 September 2014 - 08:58 PM

I personally think this is babcocks last year in detroit ... I'd be shocked to see him back

#2536473 2014 Prospects Tournament and Training Camp (Sept. 12-23)

Posted by rick zombo on 17 September 2014 - 10:39 PM

I would prefer being the next Don Cherry


You don’t say?  :tounge:

#2536458 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by gcom007 on 17 September 2014 - 08:05 PM


I think making the playoffs is the definition of playoff caliber. It sounds like you are talking about being a Stanley Cup contender. I'm not denying our poor performance in the first round last year. Though I think that was more so due to match-up then anything. I don't see us performing like that against Pittsburgh. Not saying we win, but we definitely do better.


Either way, this is all semantics, we are a playoff caliber team.


We are absolutely a playoff-caliber team with Datsyuk and Zetterberg still around. Even with age and injuries, those two guys are still are remarkable players, and even in their absence last year due to injury, I almost feel as if it's reasonable to say that the hole they left was so large that it had much to do with many of the younger guys rising up and playing above a level that one would typically expect of them. When you still have a core of Dats and Z, you should be making the playoffs. I've said it for years, and I'm still saying it now, even in light of last season.




We are not contenders, and despite what many like to say about how anything is possible if you just get in, it's simply not something substantial enough to be able to bank on. I'm not saying it's entirely untrue, but there is more of a divide between the contenders and some of the teams that squeak in than people realize. And oftentimes, some of the 7th-8th seeds that squeak in and go the distance were better teams than their regular season records showed, and they proved that in the playoffs. We haven't come close to proving that, and one could say last season, quite the opposite was proven.


Many Detroit fans were deluded by how close we came to beating Chicago a couple years back. The reality of that series was Chicago wasn't even close to being on their game and their stars weren't rising up to the playoff challenge as the series started. We took advantage of it early on, and then Chicago came back against significant odds and proved once again why they've won two Cups in the last five years. We certainly didn't make it easy for them, even in the final three games, but they found a way to crawl out of the hole and win, and they went on to win the Cup.


Last year, Boston manhandled us and proved that our kids weren't ready to answer the playoff bell. We just looked weaker and weaker as that series went on. Are we going to be a better team this year? Maybe our kids will improve, or maybe they'll still need more time to be ready. Dats and Z might be healthier, but any way you shake it, they're getting older, so it's tough to say how much of an impact they'll have on the scoresheet. Our defense isn't likely to be any better unless a kid comes up and overachieves. And while my money is on Howard bouncing back strong, he can't do it alone.


I think we'll squeak into the playoffs, but we're not real close to being able to contend for the Cup right now. We won't be until something more dramatic happens to improve the defense in particular, and until our kids mature to a point where they aren't shutdown in the playoffs, or perhaps in general when having to play a lesser role on a less-injured team. 


That said though, I don't think that's why Babcock would leave. I do think he enjoys working with the kids, and I don't think money is going to be an issue that affects the decision. I could see him wanting to move on for the sake of new challenges and experiences, and as much as I'd hate to see it, from his perspective, I could understand why he might want to go to a team like Pittsburgh. It's an opportunity that you aren't going to get very often. I don't know if he'd actually do it, and I don't know that he wants to leave, but I do think he's likely more frustrated with the way this team's been run than he's let on lately, and I think he is likely as tired of getting no help from the GM as any of us. He's made enough comments suggesting so in the press to infer at the very least that he isn't thrilled by all that hasn't happened in the last 4-5 years. I'm not saying it's an extreme situation, but I have no doubt that it's something that bothers him because he's been frustrated enough to say so numerous times.


You add everything up, and I could see Babcock going to another team after this season and I could understand why. I hope it doesn't come to that because I think he's a great coach, but it'd be hard to fault him. 

#2536423 2014 Prospects Tournament and Training Camp (Sept. 12-23)

Posted by DeGraa55 on 17 September 2014 - 11:31 AM

Yup, Athanasiou looks unreal. I hope Blashill plays him and Mantha together all year in Grand Rapids.
Once again, extremely happy Holland doesn't have the quick trigger finger that a lot of LGWers have. A lot of people on here were ready to trade this kid just a few short months ago. I said it back then and I'll say it again now, this kid is a keeper for sure.

Yes he is the next Crosby for sure...

#2536392 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by FlashyG on 16 September 2014 - 11:14 PM

Canadian income tax rates for Individuals - current and previous years Federal tax rates for 2014

  • 15% on the first $43,953 of taxable income, +
  • 22% on the next $43,954 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $43,953 up to $87,907), +
  • 26% on the next $48,363 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $87,907 up to $136,270), +
  • 29% of taxable income over $136,270.


Provincial/territorial tax rates (combined chart)


11.16% on the next $69,758, +
12.16% on the next $70,000, +
13.16 % on the amount over $220,000



Plus, don't forget EI and CPP, I assume they pay that as well.





It's not that simple to calculate, Most professional athletes keep a residence either in their home country or the United States which allows them to pay their taxes a little differently than the average person.


Because not all of their money is earned within Canada they can only be taxed based on the income they make while playing at home or in another Canadian city. The rest of their tax would be payed to the government of the city/state/country their "official" residence is in.


It all depends on what state you live in. Michigan's tax rate combined with the federal tax rate actually costs Alfredsson more than he would be paying in Ontario.

On his 5.5 million contract he just finished he would have paid approximately 2.49 million in taxes. (45.3%) vs the maximum (42%) in Canada.


Of course you also have to assume that professional athletes making that kind of money likely have a pretty good accountant and/or financial planner who helps them pay the lowest tax rate possible.

#2536360 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 September 2014 - 06:02 PM


Possible future complaining? It already started with the "He's gonna demand a ton after this deal"


What post are you referring to?


And that really is a complaint to you?   If Dekeyser develops in the next couple years then he will very likely get a big payday next time.  It's off-handed speculation that's based on history.  It's the nature of bridge deals.






#2536322 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by GoWings1905 on 16 September 2014 - 03:51 PM

Anyone else thinking that if Alfie can't play til say December (or even retires) that it massively increases Jurco's chances of making the team? 

One can only hope. I want to see that Tatar/Sheahan/Jurco line reunited. Nothing against Alfie -- I just don't like the lingering injury concerns associated with a 42 year old. I personally am kinda wishing he hangs them up. Especially since we are this close to training camp now and Alfie's back is still an issue.

#2536336 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by joshy207 on 16 September 2014 - 04:40 PM

That's less than I figured... I thought he'd get (and is worth) $2.75M to $3.5M.

#2536314 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 September 2014 - 02:58 PM


Holland has shown a history of paying for potential (See: Kronwall, Filpulla) with hopes that the player grows into the contract. This is a fact.  


Obviously the Holland haters are hoping that Kenny offered him 100 dollars/year so that they can be even angrier at the man.


But the truth of the matter is, DD's agent is most likely asking for 4M/per.


Like I said, with Holland's mostly spotless history of dealing with RFAs, ypu have to think that the friction is coming from the DeKeyser camp.


You take a potshot at Holland haters but follow it with your own completely unfounded comment about Dekeyser asking for $4 mill a year.


Unless you have a source for that?


For all we know after the mistake he made with Kindl's contract, Holland could be playing it more conservatively with RFA D-men.


The actual truth of the matter is we have no idea what's going on with Dekeyser's contract negotiations.  It's between Holland and his agent.  


What I do know is that Dekeyser has quickly become a crucial part of the Wings defense and I sure hope they get him signed ASAP.

#2536310 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 16 September 2014 - 02:17 PM

It was definitely a small sample size with Dekeyser, but I think him being 24 years old and playing 4 years in college helps with that. He's not some 19 year old kid.  I also think his performance last season is being understated a bit.  It's in great part due to Ericsson's injury but Dekeyser was arguably the 2nd most important defenseman on the team.



Among Wings d-men:


23 points, only 5 of which came on the PP.  (2nd only to Kronwall's 49, 25 of which were on the PP)

21:38 minutes a game (2nd only to Kronwall's 24:18)

averaged 2:13 per game on the PK and 1:34 on the PP

+10 (tops among Wings defenseman)

30 PIMs (lower than everyone but Kindl, who plays significantly fewer minutes)



It is only 81 games total in the NHL, but he was thrown in the deep end as a rookie and handled himself admirably (think Kindl or Smith for examples of how else it could've gone). He played big minutes and played all roles on the ice.   The question is obviously how much will he improve, but I'd be surprised if he took any steps backwards. 

A bit off topic...


DD didn't get to spend any time with Lids - unlike Ericsson, and Kronwall - he was thrown in full speed ahead, and didn't look outta place one bit.


IMHO - he's our 2nd best Dman, and with Ericsson questionable...Well - Holland better get this kid signed.

#2536306 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 16 September 2014 - 01:41 PM


Exactly, this off season has been the worst in almost 2 decades if Danny has to sit out now and god forbid miss training camp, the defense will take a huge hit.

To add - Ericsson not being 100% (finger not healed, and not in top condition) worries me.

#2536302 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 16 September 2014 - 01:35 PM

^ Exactly.


I love DD but if any of you armchair GMs think it's easy to negotiate a contract with a kid who has only played 70 games or whatever, then you're snorting the crack dust, plain and simple.


To me, DD is to the D what Tatar is to the offence. Both have had similar career arcs so far, except Tatar has a Calder Cup MVP under his belt and almost scored 20 last year in his first almost full season.  


If you ask me, something like 2.75-3M/year for 3 years would have gotten this deal done a month ago. I have a hard time thinking Holland wouldn't offer that. Makes me think that it's DD's camp that is being unrealistic, not Holland.

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking DD would've taken that offer ($2.75 to $3 million per season for 3 seasons), but I'm guessing Holland is looking to offer less since DD is a RFA.


We obviously don't know what's going behind the scenes, but this is exactly what I feared...One of our more promising Dmen not getting signed, and potentially sitting out for some time.

#2536293 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by ShanahanMan on 16 September 2014 - 12:18 PM

Signing Quincey to that ridiculous contract is what sparked all of this. He knows he's a better player and feels embarrassed he has to settle for a fraction of what Quincey got.

#2535949 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 September 2014 - 10:52 AM

frankgrimes - translation - "Told you so..."


The more I think about it, the more worried I'm getting... I mean, I'm not so sure that Ericsson will be able to skate the same with his middle finger only at 95%... C'mon people, quit reaching...


And there were a lot of people that were completely okay with Alfredsson not being offered another contract this season, but now that he may not be 100% healthy, the sky is falling...


I can see the concern, though. While his skating is going to be unaffected, gotta wonder about his outlet passes/shooting. According to the article, he's having a hard time benching weight. The guy uses his strength to muscle guys around on the PK. I think it's also an issue of him getting hurt again, considering the way his finger was injured. Apparently they couldn't even put all the shards of bone back together, because they were too small. It's just worrisome.


As far as Alfie goes, you know I've been pro-Alfie throughout the entire off-season. I'm cool with the idea of keeping him around, even if he plays 60-65 games. It kind of sucks that he's having setbacks going INTO the season, though. You want him to at least start out healthy.


The sky isn't falling, but I think there's some room for concern (more on D than anything).

#2535916 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by kliq on 11 September 2014 - 02:48 AM

Why doesn't Alfie do what Sundin did a few years back on the Canucks. Let your body rest for a few more months, spend the next 4 months getting healthy and spending time with your family, then in January if you are feeling 100% sign a 1 year deal. by that time, i'm sure someone on our team will have an injury and be on LTIR which will give us a much better picture of what we can sign him to.


I would much rather do that and sign him at 100%, then sign him now only to have him day-to-day a few weeks into the season because he is not fully healed. Its a win-win, we have no cap issues moving forward, we easily sign DD, Jurco starts off in the NHL, and Alfie can rest up. Better for us as well come playoff time, Alfie will have enough time to shake off the rust, but wont have to play 82 games which is better for his body.


Worst case scenario, come January he still feels hurt, its probably better we didn't sign him anyways, At that point, he can retire a Senator.


The only thin im not sure of, is can you do that in the new CBA? As far as I know he doesnt have to pass through waivers since he's not coming from the KHL (ie. Nabokov). I'm not 100% sure of the rules with the new CBA.