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#2557570 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by TheWolf on 18 December 2014 - 07:47 PM

We have had many issues with this in the past.  


1) I don't know if it is Holland, Babcock, or the players, but they don't seem to have the willingness to fight.  Even when it was a terrible cheap shot.


2) The strange mentality ignoring this aspect of the game. Yeah, skill is great, but if you can't stand up for your team when needed, teams are going to walk all over you.  When a team can physically intimidate your guys, can cheap shot and get away with it because no one will do anything, that is a problem. 


3) We expect the refs to protect us, but when they don't, we get abused and don't have a backup plan.  We've seen this year in and year out.  Remember last year with Franzen and Neil?  Franzen said this, "I’ve been getting head shots pretty much every year and I don’t think it’s ever been punishment for any of the hits,” and this,“He thinks I’m not tough because I’m not fighting him; what does he have, like 30 fights a year? And he’s been doing that his whole career,” Franzen said. “I’ve never had a fight in my whole life. It’s like me asking him to get hockey sense and good hands or something. I’ve never been fighting, didn’t grow up fighting. For me it’s not a part of the game. I’m not going to fight. I’ve had enough concussions. I’m definitely not going to risk one doing something stupid like that.”


Here Franzen is admitting he gets hit, doesn't get protected by the refs or league, and won't fight. Isn't this the epitome of the Red Wings philosophy?  Just play with more skill and it will work itself out right? 


4) Ignoring the fact that we do need hard hitters to defend guys.  I don't want dirty players.  I DO want someone who will stand up for our guys.  Not to mention you have two or three guys against us on ice and we have only one guy willing to stand up for us, it will be ugly.


5) Playoffs.  This crap gets ridiculous. Not only are things ratcheted up even higher, and generally diving is rewarded, but teams throw down over perfectly clean hits.  It is stupid, but that is the current NHL.  We can't skate away from that fact. We go into a situation where we expect our skill guys to have to do all the heavy fighting we are in trouble. 


6) Teammates need to stick up for each other more.  You need to believe a teammate has your back.  What if Ericsson wasn't on the ice for that Helm hit?  Would anyone else on the ice have done anything?


7) Covering our eyes isn't going to make it go away, and the management and coaching need to realize that.

#2557192 slava voynov suspended after domestic violence arrest

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 16 December 2014 - 08:53 PM

Eeehhhhh...call me kooky, but I really don't like the Heatley/Voynov comparison guys.

Tragic consequences result when you make the extremely irresponsible decision to drive dangerously. Heatley did not consider the consequences, and someone died.

Choosing to (allegedly) *beat the s**** out of someone you love is not "irresponsible." As a woman, to be honest it is frightening that some people don't see this difference. It was not an "oops, sorry, you accidentally ran into my fist lol." What Heatley did was a tragic accident. He did not set out to intentionally murder his friend. Voynov did not "accidentally" abuse his girlfriend. If guilty, he knew *exactly* what he was doing, and it was his intention to do so. While both scenarios had tragic consequences, the similarities for me end right there.

#2556949 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 15 December 2014 - 09:40 PM

Yeah because the direction the game is going is so much more fun to watch.


Lets take the action out of every sport. Then we will be left with a bunch of under sized pansies passing flowers to each other.  


I agree.  Brian Burke is trying to get rid of the vanilla midgets.  I wish the other GM's were on the same page as him.  

#2556940 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by Kmahrle83 on 15 December 2014 - 07:45 PM

We've won so few fights over the years, that I wouldn't mind if a Wings player pulled a foreign object out of his pants (a la Ric Flair) and used it on his opponent.  

bonus points if the player and crowd all chant WHOOOOO after each punch

#2556893 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by Wings_Toledo on 15 December 2014 - 01:54 PM

All I know is that I don't want to see the Oilers end up with Connor McDavid.  As the most hyped prospect since Crosby, I'd actually like to see this kid get a shot at becoming a star player on a team that's actually trying to rebuild instead of languishing in Edmonton and wasting the first 3 years of his career.

#2556931 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 15 December 2014 - 05:48 PM

Garcillo to me is a mixture between an agitator and a fighter but I wouldn't call him a pure enforcer. The guy is a bit of a spotpicker.
Thank you for mentioning Crombeen and McLeod forgot these two yeah, they are fun to watch.
But what I'm trying to say it's not just about fi ghting its about sticking up for eachother, be a close bunch you know a blue collar hockey club.

Yeah, Carcillo's never been a pure enforcer and definitely has turned into a spot-picking nobody these past couple years. I'm saying he was a lot more exciting earlier in his career when he was with the 'Yotes.

Props to Crombeen and McLeod for being willing, but they're mediocre fighters. Crombeen is a technical fighter to the point where he'll grab his opponent's arm for dear life and throw two punches and wait for the refs to come in. He was more exciting earlier in his career, too.

Regarding McKee, it'd be nice but don't get your hopes up.

#2556923 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 15 December 2014 - 04:05 PM

You're making assumptions here. Not too many people would be happy about that. I wouldn't want to see someone on the wings win a fight by cheating. If he loses fairly then it's all well and good. If he wins fairly then I'm happy. If cheating is involved to create a clear advantage on either side the fight should be stopped immediately.


We've won so few fights over the years, that I wouldn't mind if a Wings player pulled a foreign object out of his pants (a la Ric Flair) and used it on his opponent.  



So your blaming poor ticket sales on the fact we don't fight anymore.... Would have nothing to do with the economy.


I would love for you to explain to Bob Probert's wife and 4 kids as well as countless other familys that lost someone way too soon because it will sell more tickets. Ignoring the long term effects of head trauma due to toughness is ignorance. 


That's true, but Bob Probert made a lot of money for his family because of fighting.  Granted, he could play and score, but other enforcers couldn't, and still made good money.  You can't have it both ways sometimes.  That's what their job called for is fighting.  

Middleweight scrappers that can play are the new norm with regards to fighting.


Honestly, I fall asleep watching those middleweight fighters scrap.  

#2556910 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 15 December 2014 - 02:59 PM

You guys expected someone on this team to stick up for Smith?

Regarding the jersey over the head, Smith was still throwing with it over his head. I'm fine with the refs letting it continue so long as the guy with the jersey over his head is still throwing. The refs have been intervening too early in fights this year, and I think that will be the new norm. It should be enjoyed when a fight is allowed to run its course.

#2556665 12/13 GDT : Red Wings 1 @ Maple Leafs 4 *MOD WARNING POST 198*

Posted by DeGraa55 on 13 December 2014 - 09:39 PM

Least smith will fight! I love you smitty!!!

#2556666 12/13 GDT : Red Wings 1 @ Maple Leafs 4 *MOD WARNING POST 198*

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 13 December 2014 - 09:40 PM

At least somebody gives a s***.  


Smith used to be a better fighter before he joined this milksop team.  

#2554725 General discussion for tonight's games

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 07 December 2014 - 08:57 PM

Legwand scores in his 1000th game. 

#2555831 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by Son of a Wing on 11 December 2014 - 02:43 PM


No doubt.  Stupid suck ass media.  All they do is speculate and fear monger.  Not the kind of thing frankgrimes is into.  Nope.  No way.  Errr....wait


"I'm already prepared to see him coaching Crosby & Co. next year" - frankgrimes



#2555194 Senators fire head coach MacLean

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 10 December 2014 - 03:13 AM

I wouldn't mind him back here as an assistant again. 

#2555040 Honest question for everyone.

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 09 December 2014 - 04:56 AM

Just when I think I have it all down, I know it all, I can make bold predictions that come true, I take Jonathan Cheechoo in the 2nd round of my fantasy hockey draft and finish in dead last place. 


There is a fact in that amusing (and true) statement, that even as incredible as one player can look for one or two week, up to two full seasons, there is always the chance that they flop, fall off, stop producing, lose that "spark" to the point where I am not only very reserved on my predictions and statements about players, I only find comfort in those like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom that have proven time and time again for most of their career that they just have it.


On LGW here, we see many sides of a lot of fans, those who still aren't convinced about a lot of our players, to those who debated and argued for a year about Brunner and Clarkson being on this team or not, just to see them inevitably flop hard and become terrible acquisitions for the teams they signed with. Yet a lot were tooth and nail convinced they were the answer, Clarkson after one good season was worth 5 million to bring in here and take the place of some of the youth that eventually came up like Nyquist and Tatar. If you look on it now, which I can safely say 30% of the LGW community wanted us to have Brunner and Clarkson right now, what position would we be in if both were signed to 4-5 year conctracts keeping Nyquist and Tatar in the minors?


But the fact is, no one knows what the future will bring. We make predictions on our observations as fans, sometimes they are right, a lot of times they are wrong. It's part of the spine that makes a forum posting sports fan thrive, it sparks our conversations and debates, disagreements and arguments. We like to act like we know everything, that management is moronic and we could run the team better than the real higher ups do, but at the end of the day we are just passionate fans with strong opinions on the team that we dedicate a portion of our life watching, loving, and talking about who are more often wrong than we care to admit. 

#2554786 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by F.Michael on 08 December 2014 - 09:54 AM


I have no hate for Buffalo and I would love seeing them getting McDavid. Finally the team has a great owner, the fan-support is still huge - given on where the team is ! - and they are doing this rebuild thing right. The Oilers in my mind have had more than enough first overalls and still couldn't get the job done that's on their management.


Also I don't want to see McDavid in a soon to be relocated/sold market the guy should focus on hockey because he is incredible fun to watch and ridiculously talented.



Really hope buffalo gets him so I have something to watch here in buffalo other than grirgensons lol

Agree with both...I'd rather see a team with a pretty solid fan base such as Buffalo get McDavid.