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#2532785 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by mackel on 22 July 2014 - 11:41 AM

I think Diesel should get about $3M max. I would prefer $2.5M.  Lets consider the possibility that Kindl may likely be gone, so that would free up $2.4M.  If Diesel was going to get $3M, then if Holland gave him a bit more, it wouldn't hurt the cap too much.  I would like $2.5M to $3M, but I would be upset if he got $3M to $4M. We have to get him locked up. He chose Detroit over all the other teams who were throwing offers to him, Holland needs to exercise his well known loyalty contract and show his appreciation for choosing Detroit.  No lowballing, no this is Detroit, no we are farmers...none of that.  Its time for a change in philosophy.  Start showing the FA's out there that you are willing to pay quality players, quality money and they may start taking notice.  Stop paying your below average players the same amount of money you are offering the high end UFA's and things will change.
If we dumped Kindl, I wouldn't mind seeing Diesel and Tatar getting a combined $5M-$6M...with Diesel getting the bulk share of course.

By Diesel do you mean Kevin Nash? Cause thats a horrible nickname that I really hope doesn't catch on.

#2532721 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 03:45 PM

I'll be honest, I have no idea what the negotiating was like a couple years ago, for either side.  At the time, he was coming off his first 3 years in the league in which he put up totals of 3 goals, 13 goals and 18 goals (along with 26 points, 26 points and 55 points).  Personally, I'd be worried about whether the 55 point total was a fluke or not, but he did look to have nice progression.  Historically, most teams in this situation end up paying for future potential and hope to see further development.  What I don't know is what the Avs were offering or what he was asking for at that time.  If the Avs were low balling him, I'd agree with you, not something you want to do, but if they were offering something reasonable and he was asking for something unreasonable, I'd have a different tune.  There is no way he was worth the contract he signed though and now the Avs look bad in trying to bring him back to something that's more realistic.


As you say, if they low balled him a couple years ago, that's where the problem comes from.


This could be total bulls***, but I remember at the time that O'Reilly was looking for the same money as Duchene was going to get (3.5 mil) and Colorado didn't want to give that to him so he wasn't signing.  Hard to blame him if that was the case considering he was probably the better all around player after their first 3 years, but again, that could all be b.s. 

#2532677 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 July 2014 - 09:40 AM

It is unbelievable how the Aves are treating O'Reilly. I get that they're trying to sign him to the best deal they possibly can, but you don't cheap out on a player like this. O'Reilly is coming off a career year and is an unbelievable two-way player that is only 23 years old. If they're not careful things will go sour and they will lose him for little to nothing.


Franson is a player I really wanted 4 years ago when he was in Nashville, and nothing much has changed since then. I would love to get Franson on this team if the price was right. He is a solid all around defenseman with a booming shot that would be a massive boost to our power-play.


I would give up Kindl and Ouellet plus a mid round pick in a heart beat for Cody Franson.


Regarding Seabrook. Zero percent chance we would get him and I doubt I'd be willing to give up what it would take to get him.


You'd be talking Nyquist and / or Jurco, Sproul and / or Ouellet, plus picks... No thanks!

#2531877 Mike Green to Wings?

Posted by poel on 12 July 2014 - 09:35 PM

They have a combined four years on the job. Stevie's team went to the conference final in that span and Tampa Bay might be the favorite in the East heading into next season. Nill got Dallas into the playoffs in the West and has done a great job adding two huge pieces through trades already.

Holland just continues to make lateral moves since those two have left and the Red Wings have no direction under his leadership. Too bad Holland didn't stick to his word and retire when Nick did, so Nill would have gotten the GM job in Detroit before leaving.



As much as I like Holland because what he's done for the Franchise...i have to agree at this point. He made a lot of mistakes over the last years. He's not willing to take risks. Pav and Z will not play forever. He absolutely missed the opportunity to give the youth a chance and add the missing pieces to form a team that can make a push for the cup...

Franchise players are not cheap and they're hard to get. Big trades are always a risk. To trust young players by giving them fixed roster spots is also a risk. But just by resigning and overpaying your useless veterans, you probably won't be able to win anything...

#2532308 Alfie wants to play

Posted by T.Low on 16 July 2014 - 11:49 PM

If Holland was willing to re-sign useless Cleary to another AWFUL contract, then he better be willing to give a contract to Alfie. I will be SHOCKED if he does not bring Alfie back since Alfie said he wants to play.

Nothing shocks me any more...well, I guess I'd be surprised if this team excites me at all next season.

#2531926 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Ekmanc on 13 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

I don't know what there is to be confused about, we have absolutely no direction...

#2532147 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 15 July 2014 - 11:53 AM

I don't really have a problem with how Alfie played.  He was alright.  But I still just think we'll run into the same exact problem we have for the last five or six years.  Good teams will keep us to the outside and block shots.  Alfie doesn't help with that.  If we don't get guys into the lineup that can play (and score, sorry Abby) around the crease then we'll just keep running up against the same obstacles year after year. 

#2531994 Forum Rules Refresher. PLEASE READ

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 July 2014 - 09:46 AM

An update:


I know people are unhappy about the signing, but enough with the Cleary jokes in every single thread on the forum.  


For starters, they're usually not that funny as it gets old very fast.  Second, it makes it difficult to carry on a conversation about the actual topic. 


Thank you. 

#2532067 Renney out, Granato in

Posted by yztheman on 14 July 2014 - 05:36 PM

Man that video...brought back the memories... we have not had a balls tough team for a while...(kronwalling doesn't count imo too singular events)..emphasis team..I remember when we had tough bottom sixers.....Lapointe and McCarty...this is exactly what we need for the east...bangers that can forecheck (and drop the mitts if need be our pp is NO enforcer anymore) so we get offensive zone puck possesion, with a mix of skill players....yeah and granato maybe he can bring something a little bit more passion like in that video wouldn't hurt this team. Now we have a mix of skill players and damn near also rans. WIth a youth movement of sorts.


Everyone blows up about the speed and skill game around here, but the reason wings did good against chicago in playoffs wasn't because they were blowing away and overmatching skill, but because they played like it was the playoffs and they were the underdog..so they took that role..had fun and made life hell on the opposing team..by doing exactly the opposite of what we do now. In that chicago series, they were hitting, clutching, grabbing, holding, tugging from behind on jerseys, whatever it took and whatever they thought they could get away with. Because they were already underdogs and took that attitude into the playoffs. And that is the same thing killing a speed and skill team in the playoffs. The noncalls on the holding, grabbing and clutching. Then it's a turnover and the other team scores. To me a speed and skill team is fine for a show, in the playoffs you need men not skill boys, guys who can make an impact and fight their way through the noncalls and make a play happen. Regular season is Montreal hockey and playoffs are Boston hockey. We need some impact players to be successful.

#2532071 preds prospects Viktor Arvidsson and Kevin Fiala shootout moves

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 14 July 2014 - 06:24 PM

So what? I don't care...wrong board.

Trying to compare sizes with Jurco's moves? Shootout skills won't turn your franchise into a contender, I'm afraid :lol:


Hey now PredsFan is one of our favorite non Wings fan first.  

#2531765 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 12 July 2014 - 07:50 AM

If I'm Hank or Pavel, I'm pissed.

#2531673 Tomas Jurco's Ridiculous New Stick Trick

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 06:33 PM

It's a neat trick, but...

[cranky old man] I'd rather see him out there at the end of practice working on picking the top corner, or firing slapshots or something [/cranky old man]


which admittedly he may have been doing before or after this video.  It's just that stuff like that is cool I guess but has zero usefulness in a game, other than improving his general hand eye coordination.   I'm more impressed by a kid grinding it out after practice firing puck after puck.

#2531738 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by Andy Pred 48 on 12 July 2014 - 12:46 AM

i can't vote as i feel Kenny will still bettter all of the one's listed  :blind:

#2531678 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by evilmrt on 11 July 2014 - 06:49 PM

I called and canceled my half-season ticket plan yesterday over voice mail as well as gave my great displeasure, directly but professionally, over the mismanagement and lack of professionalism of this organization.
I actually received a follow up this morning from the head of ticket services telling me, "If you don't believe in the vision or management style of the best GM in sports, perhaps you might think about following another team". 
I can see they really value the fans. 

He called you and said that, or it's an email?

Wow! Wtf???

#2531659 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Echolalia on 11 July 2014 - 05:49 PM

The only way I'm stomaching Tatar being moved is if it's in a package deal for a legit top 2 defenseman. Besides, considering how other trades have gone down, and what Green has brought to the table recently compared to what Tatar has brought, I don't even think Green for Tatar straight up is worth it.