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#2652111 2015/2016 Around The League

Posted by marcaractac on Yesterday, 03:43 PM

So Winter Classic Pens Flyers

Draft in C hicago

 

If I'm Larry Tannenbaum the owner of the Leafs my reply would be simple: fine, you don't care about our 100th season we don't care about helping out failed franchises either so no more revenue sharing from us. Wheter people like or hate the Leafs this franchise will be 100 years old soon, they deserve the events over other teams, period.

 

Gotta agree. Montreal was given EVERYTHING for their 100th season.




#2651545 Byfuglien resigns with Jets - 5 years/$38 million

Posted by krsmith17 on 08 February 2016 - 08:21 PM

Awesome news!


#2651512 Byfuglien resigns with Jets - 5 years/$38 million

Posted by WingsallTheway on 08 February 2016 - 06:13 PM

Obviously just to increase his trade value so we can swap him for Kindl and a 2034 6th round draft pick




#2651362 Should the Red Wings Trade for Byfuglien?

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 07 February 2016 - 11:20 AM

NO, NO, NO....wait, HELL NO!




#2651299 Should the Red Wings Trade for Byfuglien?

Posted by marcaractac on 06 February 2016 - 06:39 PM

No. It would cost too much for a rental. And signing him to the kind of contract he will no doubt get would be great for 2 or 3 years, but then would become a cap nightmare. Let him become somebody else's mistake. 

The only circumstance I'd like to see him as a Wing is one that will never happen. And that would be the same kind of deal Green signed with us. 




#2651338 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kickazz on 07 February 2016 - 02:14 AM

No rentals unless guaranteed to sign. It's not like we're Florida who are comfortably winning games - a team like that should probably be going for rentals. 




#2651337 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kliq on 07 February 2016 - 01:42 AM

You wrote so much Frank, this is the only way I can respond lol. Anything in Italics is you, anything in bold is my response.

 

It is pretty clear to me by what you wrote, that the undertone in all of this is that the Wings should tank.

 

No, by proper rebuild I mean build a new core and that includes some tough decisions but you gotta do what's best for the team as a GM. I've excluded Kronner, Z and Pasha only because they have full NMC in their contracts so they'll stay. After Lids left and the Wings failed to land Suter getting a so much needed Top pairing guy should have been priority number 1 over keeping the streak alive. I think people still don't realise how lucky the Wings can feel to have landed Danny D. imagine the defense without him.

 

You are not wrong in some aspects here, I actually agree with the fundamentals of what you are saying but you are failing to give the Wings any credit as this is is exactly what they are doing minus the tanking. Mrazek, DD, Larkin, and co. are that new core.

 

As far as post Lidstrom, that #1 guy was just not out there Frank. Holland tried to go after Suter, he tried to go after Weber, but at the end of the day he couldn't land them for reasons out of his control. I don't see how keeping the streak alive in anyway stopped them from getting a #1 D-man. The only thing you could mean by your comments is lack of tanking, with the implication that if they tanked they could have drafted a #1 D-man. But as many teams have shown, tanking does not equal success and when you go to the bottom, you can stay there a long long long time and create a very bad culture (ie. Edmonton).

 

As for the no-trade clauses, Zetterberg has no such clause.

 

I know some people hate the idea of going with a younger roster and be bad for a few years to reload but what other options are there to get that damn number 1 stud ? I mean if people are happy with first, second round exits the status quo will be enough but personally like I've said in the past that's not Wings style, Wings style is to play every type of game the opponent wants and still beat them without even a full effort!

 

We are going with a younger roster Frank. just look at the average age of the players on their roster. This is the youngest team they have had in years.

 

I am not happy with with a first or second round exit, but this is a result of the Wings re-build. The difference between the Wings and lets say the Oilers, is that when the Wings re-build they still sit between 3rd seed and 8th seed while other teams fall to the bottom of the standings only to sometimes stay there. You make it sound like if the Wings tank, they will automatically get a #1 d-man, its not that easy Frank. Holland has not been perfect by any means, and he has made some bad moves but what he has done is rebuilt this team while keeping it competitive which is a very hard thing to do.

Getting better picks can also mean assets in a trade. I know Tatar and Goose are getting a lot of flack but for what exactly ? I've said from the beginning i would be extremely happy if they can turn into solid top 6 guys in the 20 - 25 goal range, not their fault that people are expecting more. That being said if either one landed us a too pairing guy I'd trade them in a heartbeat (and no that doesn't include rentals).

 

I am going to assume this is not in response to me even though you quoted me. I have not given them grief and if we could trade one for an elite D-man I also would do that not including rentals.

People here seen to think other teams are lining up to offer the team a too pairing guy, a goal scorer for some guys who might work out that's not how trading works. See the Johansen for Jones trade kicking the tires doesn't get a trade like this done looking for needs and fixing them does

But hey if I'm so wrong name me a potential playoff team that would be scared of facing the Wings? That's exactly what i mean when I'm stating staying put at the trade dead line wouldn't be the worst idea because this isn't a cup year anyways but the goal should be to acquire picks not trade them just keep a streak alive. Look at all the keep winners the last few years they've all had the following :

- elite defense
- elite centers
- very good to elite goaltending

Since you can't get all of that at once gotta start somewhere right? Which includes UFA ( no one is/was available), trades (other than Mantha, Larkin ) wings don't have the starting assets for that either so what's left is drafting...of course the overripen system but wouldn't it be cool to get someone who can make an immediate impact like McJesus, Ekblad or Hanifin? and sadly the current system forces teams to be bad to get such guys.

 

I agree that this is a year that the Wings don't look like cup contenders, and I also agree that trading high picks is not a good idea for a rental.

 

Haven't the Wings proven that you can get impact players without tanking? You say it would be great to get an immediate impact player like McDavid, but we did do that in Larkin. Larkin has been far more impactful then McDavid this year. Yes injuries factor into that, but he has.

people can laugh at Edmonton all they want now but in a few years this team is going to be scary McJesus, Nurse, Draisaitl and Hall that's a pretty good core to build around.

 

I will believe it when I see it. I have been hearing this for years now.

so in conclusion staying put might be the best idea and if not I just hope it won't be another soon to be FA or end of the career rental. Think about it the Wings are going to open a new arena soon there needs to be some buzz and a new shiny toy ...

But hey if people are comfortable for overpaying for guys that will be here for 2 months and 1 or 2 playoff rounds than the future might not be so nice.

 

This part I completely agree with, as I don't think the Wings should overpay for Byfuglien. Again, I will assume this is in response to other people and not me even though you quoted me.

 



 


 




#2651323 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by mackel on 06 February 2016 - 11:27 PM

In the current context we need a Shanny, we have a McCarty type in Abby. But we need a rugged, tough, offensive minded guy who can score 30+ goals and punish other players in the corners or with the gloves dropped. This player should be North American, preferrably Canadian.

As much as I despise him... Lucic might work in that role... a little short on the offense but..


#2651311 Flyers/Penguins Winter Classic 2011....I mean 2017

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 06 February 2016 - 08:32 PM

Meh. For me, nothing can top the WC at the big house. I got what I wanted, it was an awesome experience, and I stopped caring.


#2651297 Flyers/Penguins Winter Classic 2011....I mean 2017

Posted by Echolalia on 06 February 2016 - 06:01 PM

I'm officially at the point where these things don't excite me anymore. Even if the Wings were playing next year I just don't see myself getting pumped over them. Which is a shame cuz ir was the best thing to happen to hockey for a while. At least someone's making a ton of money off them still.


#2651306 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kickazz on 06 February 2016 - 08:03 PM

 

You always say future. You take care of the future, and the future will take care of the present. That's how it works in the salary cap era.

 

Edit: On the topic of trades, you always have to ask yourself "Why isn't any other team doing the trade that I'm doing?" If you are the team who is getting a big-name player in a trade, that means you paid more for that player than any other team in the league was willing to pay. With that in mind, how confident are you that the move is right for your team?

 

I know we all want the Wings to win the Cup every year, but I'm glad that we build through the draft and are cautious in signing players from the outside. It's a recipe for success that doesn't mortgage the future for the sake at a slightly better shot now. That's why the streak matters.

That's fine but we've been saying future future future and kept getting progressively worse as a team every year. And that's my point. Years ago our "future" was Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkinen. Well believe it or not those guys are in the NHL now. And of those 5; 1 is scratched, 1 has mostly been scratched, 1 centered the 4th line today and was demoted because of AA. And 2 that are in their supposed prime are being outscored by Larkin - 19 year old. 

 

You can have all the shiny new parts to a car but you won't be able to build anything out of it unless you have the correct parts. We have way too many small players. Needs have to be addressed. It's about getting better as a team and having a complete package. I think AA, Larkin are good pieces to hang on to. But I don't see how we can have 3 of Nyquist, Tatar, and Pulkinnen who are literally some of the smallest players in the league. 

 

So either tankit and do the future the right way instead of the bs way or rebuild on the fly. If you're rebuilding on the fly then do it correctly. We're one or two important pieces away from being a cup contender. 




#2651301 Should the Red Wings Trade for Byfuglien?

Posted by krsmith17 on 06 February 2016 - 06:47 PM

Stay the f*** away from Byfuglien please. Unless we're able to get him for Richards and Kindl... Obviously not.


#2651015 New NHL website design....

Posted by NitzGuy on 05 February 2016 - 12:28 PM

Yea it looks like they went with the phone friendly trend. I prefer the old site it's too bad they couldn't have both options. Although Game centre wasn't laggy as hell witch was nice.




#2650988 We're Back Up!

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 05 February 2016 - 10:11 AM

Thank goodness.  I don't know how much more I could endure of HFBoards.


I actually resorted to the hf boards it's been a dark few days.

 

Me too.  So many rude people on there.




#2650583 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 30 January 2016 - 05:30 PM

Whoever signs Buff is gonna regret it in 3 years time. I sure hope Holland steers clear of that one.