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#2529562 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by frankgrimes on 02 July 2014 - 04:31 PM

I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010.  They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011.  They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012.  They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago.  And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston. 


Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time.  Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals.  Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit. 


We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore.  Our up and comers aren't good enough yet.  And everybody else is just average. 


Took the words out of me wanted to post exactly that. Bergeron played through a tremendous amount of injuries, Quick played with a wrist hernia guys it's the playoffs nobody is 100 %. Even in 2009 we lost against a better and grittier Pens team, they've had injuries too so no excuses.


We have 2 aging superstars, lot's of questionable prospects with unknown updside and an atrocious defense don't even want to think about where they would be without Danny D.


this team hasn't been good enough since our last stanley cup run, period.

#2529344 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by frankgrimes on 02 July 2014 - 08:42 AM

This really makes Holland seem like a panicking idiot with no plan.


I would looooooove to hear Babcock's thoughts on this situation.


Imagine the sound of his voice when he ripped the team another one during one 24/7 special and than multiply it 2 times and add some glass shattering...that might come close to what he is really thinking right now.

#2528786 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by frankgrimes on 01 July 2014 - 05:33 PM

Maybe the top guys are really concerned about our future. Let's face it our two superstars are getting older and nobody knows how Zetterbergs back is going to hold up. Jurco, Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan are nice players but they certainly won't wow players the way Crosby and Malkin or even OV can. Nobody knows if Sproul, Marchenko and others are going to turn into regular top 4 pairing guys.


So from that point I understand why the players would be hesitant but:

one sources is reporting we've offered Niskanen less (38 < 40,25) and others are saying we offered more so what is now true ? If we indeed offered more than well the problem is much bigger than we all might have thought. Maybe it is a way for agents and their clients to pay back for all the lowball offers and expecting players to sign here with an almost given discount ?


Whatever it is Holland has to share some of the blame - if he underpaid all the blame - here. It's a GMs job to make the team a destination but I also think (after cooling down a bit) that the new CBA is screwing us over, we can't sign players to longterm contracts we can't offer them more money because of thef****** parity. How come original 6 franchises are ok with this ?!


Maybe this was the much needed  kick in the center and our frontoffice stuff now realizes that we aren't a premier destination anymore and works their **** off for us to become one again and yes, this includes overpaying.


I'm still surprised Niskanen chose Washington over the Wild I'd rather play at home and build a great pairing with Suter or mentor Brodin instead of going into a team, that doesn't know how to spell defense.


My 2 word answer to the ever so important streak: screw it

#2528656 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by frankgrimes on 01 July 2014 - 04:18 PM

Well looking at the positives, Mike Ilitch is not going to watch Holland running this team like a small market one for much longer. Offer Lombardi or Chiarelli a blank check and let's see if Anschutz or Jacobs are matching..

#2528581 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by frankgrimes on 01 July 2014 - 04:00 PM


Chris Johnston

$40 .25M over seven years from #caps for Matt Niskanen, to be precise.



Wow that's a VERY reasonable pricetag for a guy like Niskanen glad we didn't do a whole lot of nothing to fix this team.


This team went from being the elite of the elite to behind the pack to a trainwreck ,. thanks Holland...move up already and


stop running this team like a small market team, we are the DETROIT RED WINGS ORIGINAL 6 FRANCHISE WE WANT A PLAYER we should get him ! god I wish we had Nil, Yzerman, Lombardi, Chiarelli...This will for sure be Babcocks last year behind the bench and I don't blame him one bit, even he signs with Pittsburgh


kick your own f****** Ferrari tires

#2527082 Ehrhoff or Niskanen

Posted by frankgrimes on 29 June 2014 - 09:51 PM

we can afford both. Erhoff got bought out, so he can come fairly cheap. $3M maybe. Niskanen $6m maybe. Trade Kindl and give that $2.4M to Diesel. You still got $5m for Sheahan and Tatar. Once you dump Andersson and give Sheahan and Tats about $2.5M together. You have over $3M for Iginla or just hold on to the $3M for space.

This is the real NHL not NHL x GM mode.

#2527007 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by frankgrimes on 29 June 2014 - 05:56 PM

Funny how some fans  are worried about Buffalos capfloor now, two words: Patrick-Kane Maximum...

#2526969 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by frankgrimes on 29 June 2014 - 03:10 PM

A lot of understandable excitment here nice but keep in mind him being UFA does also mean, he can choose a team to his liking. There will be a lot of teams biding for his services so the Wings will have to make him a great offer. Something like 6 mill for 4 years should get the job done.


The best thing is if Niskanen signs with Minny -- which I think will happen -- there is another great UFA target.

#2526662 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by frankgrimes on 28 June 2014 - 01:25 PM

Anyone hear anything new on Niskanen? I know he met with teams like Minnesota. If he goes there I'm going to go postal.


Sorry for slightly OT but Postal 2 has been one of the best games ever made.


If he goes there their defense will be damn scary.

#2526395 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 08:04 PM

Wow Jennifer Hedger is hot

#2526233 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 04:55 PM

Tuch, Larkin, McCann, and Milano are my top four for the Wings at 15. Honestly, though I kinda want to trade the pick for some help on the back end. Either that, or trade down to aquire a 2nd round pick.


Whos the second best defender after Ebklad ? Looks like the draft is very forward heavy

#2526038 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 05:40 AM

Ritchie, Tuch, Perlini, Larkin one of those 4 pls stay the hell away from guys like Ehlers, Barbashev. If they pick him might as well throw the pick away because he will go to the khl if things arent going his way Also enough with the small soft euros need some hometown boys and size and grit

#2526032 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 01:31 AM

I don't understand how people are willing to pay a premium for Boyle but cringe on the money for a guy like Niskanen ? Every contract holds some risk yes, Niskanen is coming off his best year but it's not like he has been horrible before the guy knows how to move the puck and how to play a solid defensive game. If you have to overpay him by about 0,5kk you do it, especially with our top 4...

#2526025 Teams to be compensated for losing personnel to other teams

Posted by frankgrimes on 27 June 2014 - 12:06 AM

Oh nice. Now that the Hawks and Kings are losing guys, they implement this. Where the hell was this rule 4 years ago when the rest of the league started slurping on Detroit’s teet? 
One would have to think that sooner or later hockey karma will kick in. 

Wings aren't team Bettman west..

#2525471 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by frankgrimes on 24 June 2014 - 12:23 PM

The amount of negative opinions being spouted around here are incredible. We're not even in July yet and people are calling the season practically as good as dead and all because of what? Because we re-signed one of our best players from last season and we haven't addressed any of our issues yet. I mean, everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's fine, but when you're constantly thrashing out the same old line over and over, it gets a little tiresome. I know I know. KH sucks, Franzen is lazy, Howard will never be the elite goalie that we seem to somehow be entitled to just because we're the Red Wings, our D couldn't win the Calder Cup let alone the Stanley Cup, and we're got a forward group that's full of a bunch of washed up, old, warn out, injury prone veterans who can't even keep up with their own children on the ice anymore. 


We all know that success comes in cycles, and that good teams eventually get knocked down a peg a little and then have to build their way back up to the top again. This is precisely what is happening with the Wings right now, and with what we've seen last year that we've got good young kids in DeKeyser, Jurco, Sheahan, Tatar, Nyquist and Mrazek all ready to contribute, why should we trade a bunch of em away when we're not going to get full return on them and when really, right now, they provide our team with energy, skill and desire to win. Alfie coming back helps because he's got a bomb of a shot for the PP, he's still got good wheels, and provides another leadership presence in the room. Those of you who are bashing him, do you really think that our situation would improve if you shoved some unready kid onto top line minutes for the entire season? Don't you think that would actually make our team worse and then we might be 'mediocre'? 


Don't get me wrong, I'm not oblivious to the fact that this team has holes, which are primarily on D. But at least for heavens sakes, give management a chance to address them before you start calling for their heads. 


Don't have to read it if you don't like it, problem solved. I think it isn't so much negativity and more concerns - for all the right reasons - since 2009 this team hasn't even come close to anything near cup contention. Then Lidström retired and there was no plan B because we didn't get Suter.


The problem is, Alife and co. aren't what the Wings need longtermwise a young team at some point needs to build chemistry in order to go forward and know the in and outs of their defensive or offensive linemates. Look at the Kings they grew together and even then, Lombardi saw his team needed a broader leadership group brings in Richards, sees the team isn't scoring enough brings in Carter --> first cup for the kings, two years he sees a top 6 need brings in Gaborik ----> cup #2.


And what are the Wings -- a team that isn't even close the talent level of the powerhouses -- doing ? Sign one patchwork player after another instead of maybe risking the streak and build for the future. If the mojo around the league is really that the Wings aren't willing to overpay well then good luck getting any top ufa to sign here, it's not going to happen. Unless of course you are 34+. The needs for improvement have been evident since 2009 and that to me is enough time to make the neccessary move especially after losing an alltime top 4 defender. Armstrong has build a very good Blues team and yet he saw a chance/need and brought in Miller yeah it didn't work out but at least he tried. Thats what great GMs do they are willing to take risks, the Wings aren't a small market team and they shouldn't be run like one, our owner is willing to pay everything just to win with an almost blank cheque I simply expect better than bringing back Alfie and some patchwork signings come July 1. Holland once was regarded as the best GM in hockey time to prove it..


Also capspace is useless if you don't use it, is Niskanen worth 5,5 to 6 per ? Probably not but overpaying is part of UFA and trade deadline other GMs like Chiarelli, Lombardi and Bowman are ok with it, but Kenny seems to have a hard time adopting to this. Like some others I'm starting to believe  Lidström did not even make the team as a whole better he also made Holland better than he might be.


The leadership on this group is more than fine, when you have Z, Pasha, Kronwall that's enough to show the young kids how stuff gets done and how to handle themself. Alfie at least for me deserves to retire in Ottawa this team isn't going to compete for the cup anytime soon..so I don't understand this signing at all.