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#2303384 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 26 May 2012 - 04:44 PM

Not true. Unless you consider 2011-2012 post season ranking "old"


I question the credibility of this list.


#2303377 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 26 May 2012 - 04:03 PM

Yeah you also wrote up an opinion praising Minnesota for having a ton of great prospects who are gonna really help their team.....yet our prospect pool is ranked higher than theirs by experts and scouts....sooooo are Minnesota's prospects good, and ours are just as good if not better? Or do you wanna reverse your opinion on Minnesota and say we both have bad prospect pools?.....Or do you just think you somehow have a better opinion/knowledge than the professionals?

P.S. telling me you wrote up a big comment about your opinion on our prospects "somwhere" doesn't help me find it....This thread? Another Thread?....you dont have to re-type either....I believe copy/paste still exists lol


The only place they are ranked higher is in old, non-updated articles. I said that on another thread too.

P.S. I don't feel like going to find it. I believe it's either on the early part of this thread or another thread that got heavy into the prospect situation.


#2303374 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 26 May 2012 - 03:36 PM

...Overestimating what? Just so you know it usually helps if you explain yourself or offer evidence/support for arguments....if you even have any for whatever point your trying to make...


Overestimating the potential and talent of our prospects. And I wrote a huge comment regarding my opinion on all our prospects and what I think of them and why. Feel free to dig it up. It took forever so I'm not going to type it out again though.


#2303232 Chances of landing Parise?

Posted by centcougar07 on 25 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

Put yourself in his shoes. Do you want to join the likes of amazing talent like Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi? Sarcasm intended. Especially if he doesn't win the cup, he will want to go somewhere that has a chance in the next 459827 years.




I've said it before but I'll say it again, Minnesota has some of the best prospects in the league and a lineup that, when healthy, was the top team in the league points wise. They have a very deep, very talented prospect pool. So even only a third of them live up to expectations, they are going to be a very, very good team in about 2 years. And I think it's reasonable to say that very rarely do prospects end up being complete and total busts when they are as highly touted as Minnesota's are. Mikael Granlund just signed with them and he's been called by many the best hockey player outside of the NHL. So without going too deep into that (because I could go deeper), I'll just say that Minnesota has a great future ahead of them. Their stock is rising and Detroit's is falling IMHO. Plus they have the cap space to sign big time players and they will continue to have a lot of cap space in the future when they get rid of certain contracts on their roster (i.e. Backstrom, Cullen, etc.). They will probably make the biggest offer in a monetary sense. I think they will be big players and certainly have a great chance to sign Parise.

Plus I suppose it doesn't hurt that they have the hometown draw. Parise's got a hot new wife and they just bought a new house out there last summer. I'm sure he'd love to come home to her after a 3 point night. :yowza:


#2303165 Chances of landing Parise?

Posted by centcougar07 on 25 May 2012 - 11:08 AM

You know, who doesn't get brought up, Minnesota. He is from Minneapolis..


Minnesota gets brought up among potential suitors. They will make a substantial offer. There's a good chance they land him IMO.


#2303161 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 25 May 2012 - 10:37 AM

Just as an FYI, this franchise has been a winning for almost as long as these guys have been alive, so its been a little more than just 10 years. The Wings have been consistently winning and there's a reason for that. We have one of the best, if not, the best owner in hockey. He's willing to spend money and wants to be competitive, year in, year out. We have a fantastic front office that's made some remarkable trades and free agent signings to keep the team competitive all these years. We have one of the best group of scouts in the league. Despite all of their winning in the late 90's and early 2000's and drafting near the bottom of the first round (if in that round at all) built a new championship caliber team through the draft. No other franchise has all this in place. No other franchise can claim they won the Cup multiple times while at the same time built a new championship team through the draft to replace the players that retire. If you can't trust the Wings organization enough to sign with them, who can you trust? Who can you trust to be competitive for the next 5-8 years? Every other team in the league has rebuilt, fell apart and rebuilt again, while the Wings have consistently remained near the top. History should be a selling point. History tells them that this franchise knows what they're doing when it comes to building a winner and staying competitive.


I'd rather go to a team that has a more solid future. Something tangible that I can see in front of me. Not just a promise that we "know what we're doing" because we were able to reload once before. Not good enough for me to sign away 6-7 years of my life.


#2303129 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 25 May 2012 - 03:06 AM

The Wings have proven more than anyone they have been able to bounce back after off seasons.

Before 97 they had plenty of early exits and playoff disappointments. Before 2001 they had the same. And before 2008 they had the same.

If Parise and Suter can understand how their impact would vault the Wings back to a Cup contender (which history has shown), they will definitely take a big look.


Fair enough and I see you point. But I don't think Parise and Suter make us favorites for the cup or anything. Do they give us a better chance? Sure. But who knows what would happen with the rest of our players. A lot of them have been showing signs of age and declining numbers wise. I think it will be very hard to convince two star players to potentially sign over the remainder of their careers to us when the future is so uncertain. I say uncertain because I think we all saw how old we looked in that series against Nashville this year. They beat us by winning races to pucks and being faster and quicker in general. I think age is definitely showing, and the prospect pool is less than exciting if you ask me. Smith is the closest thing we have to a sure thing and even he could slip to be only a middle/bottom pairing NHL defenseman. You can only preach the history of the organization for so long before top FA's are going to start asking questions about the future. Excuse me for being unpopular but if I was a top FA making possibly the most important decision of my life I'm going to want a little more than "don't worry, we've figured it out in the past, it'll all work out again somehow..."

I mean the history is great but the only appeal it would have to me is that I'd be part of a storied organization. But if I'm looking for a place to call home for the next 7-8 years, I don't really give a rats ass about what happened 10 years ago when I was still in high school. I want to know that we're going to be strong competitors for all those years. Ideally, I'd sign with a team that can win a little bit now and only get better as time goes on by inserting prospects into the lineup and sprinkling in other FA's if need be. Ken Holland is going to have a tougher sell job than you think IMO.


#2303105 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 24 May 2012 - 09:41 PM

Good read, but just another one of those juicy on the surface types, with nothing really substantial within. I think that it is a very real possibility that both Parise and Suter come to Detroit, given the elite tier of our organization and our tradition, let alone the other factors. But there are so many other intangibles that its hard to say anything about it.

Do we have enough cap space? Yes.
Do we have what winners want? Yes.
Do we have a team good enough to attract them? Yes.
Would both players take a reduced salary to be on our team? Yes.

I seriously don't think that '7 million a year' is a 'discounted price' given that Lidstrom was getting paid 7.5 million a few years ago. A discounted price for Parise would be around 6 million and Suter around the same. I think Holland would have to give up his "nobody gets paid more than Lidstrom" shenanigans fo Suter to come on, obviously, and Lidstrom should be paid only 5 million this upcoming year, should he return. I say give them 6 million a year for 5 years and then we have a legitimate shot at the cup for the next 5 years. Haha.

Cheers


Discounted based on the fact that they will get higher offers from other teams.


#2303061 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 24 May 2012 - 04:40 PM

Neither the Canadiens or Maple Leafs have a history of winning in recent memory. I thought it was incredibly obvious what I was referring to.

And I also never said that tradition meant they would be "flocking" here. I said it would give them an advantage over other teams.


What do you mean winning? We haven't got out of the second round of the playoffs in 3 years. I mean sure we've won in the regular season but recently, we haven't done much in the playoffs.

How does it give us an advantage?




#2303043 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 24 May 2012 - 03:15 PM

20 mil what? A year?

And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.


I'm sorry but having a "tradition of winning" isn't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on when the season starts. Everyone is 0-0. It tradition was a factor as you are trying to present, then every top FA would want to sign with Montreal or Toronto. It's a nice thought but I don't see how history would convince a FA to sign or not sign in the present. It's about the here and now and then the future, IMO.

http://www.detroitne...0354/1128/rss16

It sounds like Parise and Suter really are a package deal. It sounds like Detroit really is one of the very few teams that interests them (has the cap space, a winning tradition, and both - more or less - grew up in Ann Arbor). It sounds like this might be something that actually ends up happening...and which could have been in the works for some time?





Because me for being an addict, LINES!

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.300m) / Darren Helm ($1.400m) / Power Forward? ($2.000m)
Power Forward? ($2.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Power Forward? ($2.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Backup Goalie? ($1.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,846,212; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $453,788





Explanation:

If we're able to sign Parise and Suter, the top six is set (Parise replaces Bertuzzi on the first line, Nyquist replaces Hudler on the second line); and - assuming Lidstrom resigns - the defensive pairings are set (Suter replaces Stuart, Smith replaces Quincey). But the bottom six isn't yet in order.

I like Helm as our third line center. He's one of the best defensive centers in the game. Let's resign him (an RFA) to about a 0.5mil raise. I like Emmerton as our fourth line center. He's sort of like a young Helm in many ways. Let's keep him there. And I like Abdelkader as a bottom six winger. He's big, strong, and great defensively (though he could be more physical). Let's resign him (an RFA) to about a 0.5 mil raise. But now we've got some issues.

I DO NOT like Cleary, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Miller or Mursak as bottom-six wingers. I want three new, big, strong, physical, defensively sound power forwards to go along with Abdelkader as our bottom-six wingers. If we move the aforementioned players, we'll have over 6mil to spend on these three power forwards. Should be well more than enough to get us what we want. It'll be harder to move some than others, but I do think that all of the aforementioned players are movable (worst case scenario, send them and their cap-hits through waivers en route to gr).

THAT's how we catch up to the rest of the league.


How did either of them grow up in Ann Arbor?


#2302903 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 23 May 2012 - 08:24 PM

It's not as hard to reload when you have some of the best drafting and player development in the league, and your one of the top free agent destinations in the league lol....now if this was Edmonton or Columbus....

Emmerton: NHL ready
Mursak: NHL ready
Andersson: NHL ready
Smith: NHL ready
Nyquist: NHL ready
Sheahan: Call up
Tatar: Call up
(insert free agents name here)
(insert free agents name here)

That's potentially about 9 players who will be fighting for NHL ice time....plus Holmstrom makes 10....we've still got about 2 more seasons of reloading left IMO though.....


Haha... Talk about overestimating. What world do you live in? Try and be objective.


#2302745 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 23 May 2012 - 01:57 AM

I think it's a bummer that Detroit was out after the first round...but it happens. We really have been spoiled with such great success and now setting records at home and making the playoffs for 21 years in a row doesn't satisfy anybody. Just think how many players would have sold their souls to even be a part of the playoffs and we have an entire team full of guys who have never experienced the crushing blow that is coming in ninth in the conference...
I'm happy with our team and even though it could be improved (what team can't be?) I'm not worried about the management ever letting this "decline" get very far.
If you wanna see a decline go ask the Oilers how life has been since 90'


I think you're underestimating how hard it is to "reload" like what happened last time when Stevie Y was on his way out.


#2302626 Iginla

Posted by centcougar07 on 22 May 2012 - 01:16 PM

Yeah that's not really old for hockey players these days and Iginla doesn't have a history of injuries. I think you can get 4-5 good seasons out of him before it's time to call it quits. A 34 Iginla isn't a 34 Franzen or Bertuzzi.


34 is old for anyone who has been playing hockey their entire lives. Not saying there aren't a couple good years left but the decline is on.


#2302375 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 21 May 2012 - 03:54 AM

The s*** sandwhich being....the team? the idea that the team is awesome?
I don't see why some of you bother being "fans" of a team that you hate so much about? this is beyond constructive criticism at this point.


The s*** sandwich being the notion that we're going to sign these FA's because there's no way they could possibly sign elsewhere and then all of our A++ prospects who are clearly the next Datsyuk's and Zetterberg's and Lidstrom's, will come in here and everything will be just fine. I don't buy into it.


#2302374 The truth of our decline.

Posted by centcougar07 on 21 May 2012 - 03:54 AM

The s*** sandwhich being....the team? the idea that the team is awesome?
I don't see why some of you bother being "fans" of a team that you hate so much about? this is beyond constructive criticism at this point.


The s*** sandwich being the notion that we're going to sign these FA's because there's no way they could possibly sign elsewhere and then all of our A++ prospects who are clearly the next Datsyuk's and Zetterberg's and Lidstrom's, will come in here and everything will be just fine. I don't buy into it.