Johnz96

Might want to pick up a Red Wings history book moron. I now realize where the lame ass posts and comments come from on this site.

check out the date of that post

You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't change the fact it is true. Franzen gets hot for 15-25 games every year and score 50% or more of his goals in that time frame. the rest of the year he just floats around the ice like he doesn't even care. yes when hot he is one of the best around. But on the other hand, this a guy who after 8 + seasons has never had a single 60 point season. What was he lat=st year? 96th overall in scoring IIRC. I understand that scoring comes and goes. Most scorers are streaky. But that does not excuse the lake of hustle, skating hard, checking, and playing D the rest of the time. When hot Franzen does all of thsoe things. When he isn't he does none of them.

Franzen was actually 69th in scoring and he only scored 1 point less than Ryan despite playing 5 games less and getting less ice-time per game. You would probably feel the same way about Ryan if he played on your team but he doesn't and the grass is greener on the other side

Well, wasn't putting a whole lot of thought into it - because the ultimate point (on which we can all agree) is it'd cost something near-astronomical to land him. I'd love, love, love for him to be a Wing, but it's not gonna happen. (Not by way of trade, at least....)

If we're gonna trade for a legitimate power-forward type, we should go for Lucic. He's having a rough go of it; we could probably snag him for something not entirely ridiculous.

I would love to have Lucic but i think it would cost something near-astronomical to get him too. Perry will probablyl be a UFA nxt year and there are many more that could be that offer a good combination of size, toughness, skill and hockey acumen
Iginla
Malhotra
Burrows
Lapierre
Edler
Brouwer
Hartnell
Jordan Staal
Horton
Lupul
Clowe
Stallberg
Getzlaf
Perry
Neil
A.Stewart
J Harrison
Morrow
Svitov
But we might not have any cap space to get any of them and if it was up to most of the people here we woudn't

I think it is so funny that so many people think we need to score more  but are so anxious to get rid of our top 2 goal scorers. And people  mention getting Ryan or somebody with some size and/or toughness and  suggest getting rid of Franzen in the same post, which would mean that  we aren't getting any bigger by getting a big guy and giving up one.

Wow a guy that plays like a 70 yr old grandmother for 3/4 of a season and still leads the 7th highest scoring team in goals, that must have been a hell of a quarter of a season or do you mean a grandmother from the planet Krypton.
I think you suffer from the grass is greener on the other side and the glass is half empty syndrome, you would probably feel the same way about whoever you are advocating for the Wings to get if he played for the Wings and you didn't advocate to get him

I think it is so funny that so many people think we need to score more  but are so anxious to get rid of our top 2 goal scorers. And people  mention getting Ryan or somebody with some size and/or toughness and  suggest getting rid of Franzen in the same post, which would mean that  we aren't getting any bigger by getting a big guy and giving up one.

Because they aren't really 'top prospects'. Maybe among our organization. Not so much throughout the rest of the league.

As a group they are probably better than any other team's prospects
The Red Wings had  more players they drafted on their team than any other this year, they  also had more players they drafted playing on other teams than any other  team which is very impressive and they did it all by drafting low and  trading away a lot of their picks. Amazing.
Anybody criticizing the Red Wings prospects or drafting (and there a lot of you) is ridickulous.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1190840-nhl-power-rankings-how-wise-is-your-team-when-it-comes-to-the-nhl-draft

Bert deserves it because of the ridickulous offer and of course because of the hit and I don't think there was any intent to injure to Naslund. The $350 000 offer was classless and ignorant, hope the Moore's get everything they're asking for

Well lets see what Suter does I am sure it will have an impact on Shea Weber one way or the other but lets be honest here if Z will be our new captain there is no way in hell Weber will ever wear the winged wheel which is a shame.

At some point people have to accept the idea of becoming a tougher again, we won't have Nicks hockey IQ and exceptional position play from now on so time for our D to toughen up and add some in your face guys.

I think Z would love to have him on the team

I would consider Laich and Green for Franzen and Kindl

+/- is meaningless, its not an individual stat its a team stat. Next, hes played more games than most of those listed, and only out scored Liles by 3 points over almost 20 games difference. Also the Wings problem isn't puck moving D-men, Kronwall, White, and Kindl are all good puck movers they need a defenseman that is a top shut down guy, and that's the issue, offense because its more natural comes earlier in a D-man's career, the ability to be a top shut down guy takes years of experience. Add to that Toronto was 2nd worst in GA and 3rd worst in GF/GA differential doesn't really help your case.

In the Red Wings possession style game a puck moving defenseman is a shut down guy because if we have the puck they can't score.
Gardiner actually scored 3 points more than Liles playing ONLY 9 games more than him and getting a lot less PP time but GA and GF/GA wasn't as bad when he was on the ice as was evidence by his -2 (same as Lidstrom last year when he won the Norris)

i was just thinking about wether the Wings might try an Ericsson on this kid.
he is huge and still growing, but we seem to have plenty of more talented D
coming thru than Richard. My theory is to maybe convert him to forward and
have that hulking winger we cry out for. 6'4" 227lb and only 18, this kid could
end up 6'5" and 240lb imagine that coming down the boards at you!! bit like
what they did with E only the reverse.

He had a breakout year this year scoring 42 points in 72 games on a bad team, he is more talented than people think and he would bring the toughness we haven't had in a long time
Ericsson played both forward and defense in Sweden and was a full time d-man his last year before coming to NA
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iXKiLB__AU8

Komisarek, Phaneuf, Schenn and Liles>>>>>Gardiner. And McDonagh is part of a very young defense on the Rangers which is carried by King Henrik. So they are poor examples, and I know some Ranger fans who think McDonagh was rushed to the NHL.

Gardiner got more ice time per game than all those guys except Phaneuf, he scored more points than all those guys other than Phaneuf and had a better +/- than all of them.
Our young d-men can be carried by 3 of the best defensive forwards in the league

I never said he wasn't ready, I said his game needs to mature for him to reach his peak potential. He is NHL ready, but hes not ready to be a top pairing D-man.

Why give Abby top 6 minutes and 3 minutes of power play time? There are 8 forwards on the team better than him offensively.

His Wisconsin teammates McDonagh and Gardiner (Smith was better than both) were both ready to be ready to be top pairing D-men in the NHL. Affording him the opportunity would expediate (that is the correct word and spelling)  the maturation process
As I said I said I am not advocating Abby get 19 mins a game(which is more than just top 6) but I would rather have him there than Jokinen

Not so sure Weber will sign another 1 year deal.

Kane would be worth the draft choices, he is the type of player the Wings need

First preparing for the future usually implies that you don't have to throw big money at free agents to fill huge holes in the line up to stay competitive. Next you seemed to have implied that its myth or a conspiracy that the Wings may not be as good as we have come to expect of them next season. I sarcastically pointed out all the reasons why not filling the holes in the line up could come back and bite the Wings.

Well, I tend to follow the Red Wings prospects pretty closely. So here's a quick rundown:

Possible pure Goal scorers (high end projections of 30+ goals):
Teemu Pulkkinen
Tomas Jurco
Marek Tvrdon

Possible top D-men:
Brendan Smith

The rest of Detroit's prospect pool are full of boom or bust pass first forwards and borderline NHL energy guys, and second and third pairing D men. Of their last few first round selections only Smith is going to be a good NHL player, McCollum is trash, Riley Sheahan seems to have peaked as a borderline 3-4 liner.

Now lets be really really optimistic and say that players like Jurco, Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok, Sproul, and Marchenko all make it to the NHL. Know when this is likely to happen? More than likely 2015-2016. So between then and now there's not much in Grand Rapids besides players like Nyquist and Tatar and Smith to fill the holes the wings have. Now lets take a look at them: Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are goal scorers, they are puck movers, so they don't fill the needs of the top 6 for a legit goal scorer. Now Brendan Smith: hes a blue chip D prospect, but his biggest hole is he is young and he has the offense first attitude. He has the abilities to become a really good top pairing D-man but he needs time to learn the NHL game and mature abit. So does he fill Lidstroms shoes? or even give Detroit a top 20 D man? The answer is no. So now this leaves one option to fill the glaring holes in the line up: Go outside the organization.

There are two routes for this #1 Free agency, and their are 2 players on the market July first that fill the needs of the Wings' line up, Suter and Parise. If Detroit doesn't land these two players they can either pick up filler players like Semin and Wideman who both are not nearly as good as Suter and Parise or they can trade. The biggest problem with trading is other teams will want players back, the first players on the list will be Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok, Smith and Filppula, and on top of that they will probably also want some picks. This is bad for obvious reasons first Detroit's farm system is good but its not deep with blue chip talent, there is a lot of boom or bust guys, so trading the players who are most likely to make it in the NHL hurts the Wings in the future (short sighted).



There is nothing in Abdelkader's past that points to him being 1/2 as good a goal scorer as Jokinen was. Remember kiddo that Jokinen has been close to 40 goals 3 different times with the Panthers.

I may have exaggerated a bit to make a point and I'm not advocating to do this but if you were to play Abby 19 mins a game on THE top line with 3 mins of PP time, he would probably score 20 goals certainly a lot more than he has in the past and he IS a lot more physical, better defensively and on faceoffs than Jokinen.
He scored so much because on the Panthers he played even more. How many playoff points has he scored?

Smith isn't ready but his teammates in Wisconsin who weren't as good as him are?
Or is it that they were given an opportunity that he wasn't?