Johnz96

Rock, paper scissors?

2011-2012, 2.92 g/g = 239 goals scored over the season. now lets look at our top two lines last year

 

Zetterberg 22

Franzen 29

Datsyuk 19

Filppula 23

Hudler 25

Bertuzzi 14

 

that brings the grand total to *drum roll*

 

~ 132

 

So your point about being sub .500 if your top two lines don't score 180 goals is ridiculous, considering our top two lines got 132 goals and we were 7th in the league in scoring, and 9th overall in the league in points with 102, with a point % of .662, not sub .500

Lol.

LA only scored 188 goals in total last year and went on to win the Cup.

I  don't think any top 2 lines scored 180 goals

id love to see a filppula for ryan clowe deal we need power forwards and from what ive read filppula wants 4.5 million a season??? way too much , thought he finally broke out after last season but after seeing him with 10 pts in 19 games he seems to be back to his 40-45 pt pace as always

 

might be time to let him go

More than Zetterberg had his first 19 games last year.

Clowe has even less goals than Abby

Ever since Lidstrom's imminent retirement  people have been talking about how we need a top pairing guy on D to be a contender.

Who is a top pairing d-man?

And don't say Bouwmesster (he is maybe on a non playoff team) or Yandle, neither are as good as Kronner and the same goes for Suter especially at his cap hit

Why not?

 

Let's face it. Brunner was expected to be good with good linemates, such as Z and Dats. Everyone, including myself, thought that Z and Brunner would be a good match, since they've done so well in the Swiss league during the lockout.

 

Now, we've seen that:

 

a) Brunner can score

b) Brunner + Z can work in the NHL well, but sometimes they don't. They're still very good, but not great.

c) Brunner + Dats usually don't work too well (except in the PP probably).

 

I didn't think Brunner would be any good in a 3rd line. But I think this is the time to try it. Let Brunner play with Tatar & Tootoo! Give them some ice time, and let's see how they do! Tatar and Tootoo have both been working very hard all the time, and I think that they could probably be a good fit for Brunner's sniper abilities. Brunner needs guys who work hard along his side. Tootoo and Tatar do. And of course, the two can score as well!

 

That, of course, is not to say that Brunner isn't good enough for a 1st or 2nd line! I'm just trying to figure out the best lines overall, looking at the first 26 games this season, hoping for the best for the Red Wings.

Brunner hasn't had enough non PP time with Datsyuk to determine that they don't work well together.

Abdelkader + Cleary + Datsyuk don't work well together

He is a prime example how Wings mangement can sometimes be too loyal to their players.  If only we signed Hossa insted!!

The guy just might be a potential buyout in the near future.

Hossa was more expensive and the Wings would have had to drop somebody else to afford him.

During the 09 playoffs, the biggest whipping boy for Red Wings fans was Hossa, and Franzen was everybody's sweetheart probably some of the same people who claim we should have signed him instead of Franzen now. People would have been outraged if we signed Hossa and dropped Franzen

Brett Hull? Really? Don't get too excited. I don't see Brunner scoring 741 goals....when Hull was Brunner's age he score 86 goals and followed that with 70 the following year...Brunner is good, he will probably be the best scorer we've had since Hossa left, but Brett Hull? That's asking a lot!

Goalies had much smaller equipment then and it was heavier, less flexible and not scientifically engineered to absorb rebounds

I think I'd rather have the #17 or #18 pick and take Ryan Pulock. That may be just me though...

I would rather have the #17 or #18 pick all the time unless we have a first rounder coming from a trade. I was just being sarcastic with that comment, making fun of some of the doom and gloomers

You did say to bench Franzen permanently, a player that has 9 points in 12 games.  In the last 5 games, without Franzen, they didn't win until last night.

 

Just saying that your Franzen logic makes no sense.

 

I will agree with you on your Quincey logic though.  Has has been horrible.

You mean Kyle +10 Quincey?

Parise and Suter wanted to play together and Detroit couldn't bring them both. Parise wanted to go home to Minnesota, and Suter wanted to play with him. Pretty easy.

 

Time to get over it...

 

Parise tearing it up? Zetterberg and Datsyuk have much lower cap hits and are arguably playing better this season.

 

That's a stretch. Holmstrom, Samuelsson, Draper and Maltby were never "stars". Good players sure. Chelios, Lang and Bertuzzi were all in decline from their best years.

Signing Suter and Parise to those riDICKulous contracts is probably the biggest mistake the Wild ever made.

Alright, let's not throw our heads in the dirt and pretend our current roster is good enough to contend.  I've seen Nyquist play, and I don't understand the hype.  He just doesn't make much of an impact outside of a shot on goal here and there.  Tatar has shown a little the past few games, but overall, I'm not overly-impressed.  Andersson is probably a grinder, at best.  The cream of our prospect crop, which I consider to be Calle Jarnkrok, Teemu Pulkinnen, and Ryan Sproul, are multiple years away from being NHL-ready.  We lack the big-name prospects needed for a simple "re-tool" because we've gone so long without the draft picks required to draft "can't miss" talent.  This team still has talent, but if we want to avoid another long period of struggling, we need to start drafting at or near the top of the order, and that means selling off big pieces when the time comes.  Not now, and maybe not even in 2 or 3 years, but the time for a rebuild is coming whether we like it or not, and we need to prepare for it.  We're very spoiled and we can't stay in "win-now-or-else" mode forever.

People were saying the same things back in 06.
Nyquist hasn't had much of an opportunity to show what he can do. He has only played 12:22 in 2 games this yr., 10:35 in 18 games last year and 8:51 in 4 playoff games last year. His Points Per Minute played last year are identical to Datsyuk's  in his rookie yr and Datsyuk was older than Nyquist is now. Datsyuk scored a point every 27.2 minutes played and Nyquist scored one every 27.1 mins played (which is actually better than O'Reilly  who scored a point every 28.7 mins scored last year). When you play more usually scoring goes up at higher rate than mins played because of confidence, momentum and being a more important part of the team.

I watched Nyquist a lot with the Griffs and he will be a star and maybe even a great player if he works as hard as Datsyuk and Zetterberg did at their deficiencies. When the Griffs played the Barons the Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan line totally shut down the Barons NHL line of Eberle, Hall, and Paajaarvi as well as Justin Schultz while being dangerous offensively. They totally dominated them. Schultz did manage a PP goal late in the game with Eberle getting an assist but the score was already 5-1 and Nyquist and Tatar weren't on the ice.
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Wondering if we'll see him drop the gloves tonight - team is on a losing skid, he's not fought for a few games, he might feel the need to provide a spark.

Weber?

Cool. Lidstrom couldn't score like Orr. Orr couldn't play D like Lidstrom. I'll take that anyday. Orr as a myth has become bigger than Orr as a player. 

Lidstrom wouldn't block shots like Orr clear the front of the net like Orr, battle in the corners like Orr, hit like Orr or fight like Orr.

Orr was +124 in 70-71, that's gotta be a record.

Or was not only the best defenseman ever but the best hockey player ever.
 

If you didn't see it, we were kindly asked to revert back to discussing Howard, not Osgood. So let's chalk this up to, you have your opinion and I have mine.

I was using an elite goalie for comparison