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#2424223 2013 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

Posted by Richdg on 30 June 2013 - 07:52 PM

5th round: Mitchell Wheaton. 6-4/230 LH D

#2424137 2013 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

Posted by Richdg on 30 June 2013 - 06:21 PM

Terrible pick.

#2423798 2013 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

Posted by Richdg on 30 June 2013 - 02:57 PM

Clutterbuck to NYI for Niederreiter. Garth Snow is a moron.

???? Sorry this is a very good deal for the Isles. Nino is a flop to date and the Isles are far to easy to play against. Now they have 2 of the best hitters in the game: Martin and Clutterbuck. I would love to have those 2 as a checking line.

#2423446 Changing of the guard leads to new philosophy?

Posted by Richdg on 29 June 2013 - 08:13 PM

In terms of Sunday's draft and the Wings' picks, it appears that the Wings are quite happy with the 18th pick in the 1st round (they will pick 48th and then 79th, 109th, 139th, 169th and 199th), and, somewhat surprisingly, Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell suggested that the Wings will probably draft a forward as opposed to Ye Olde Beste Player Available while speaking with the Windsor Star's Bob Duff...

“We’d really like to get a forward, unless there’s a defenceman that’s too good to pass up,” Wings head scout Joe McDonnell said of the team’s likely plan when they make their first-round pick at No. 18 overall in Sunday’s draft at New Jersey’s Prudential Center. “When it comes to our pick, if we feel there’s two players that are even we’ll lean toward the forward. We have a lot of good, young defencemen – (Ryan) Sproul, (Xavier) Ouellett, (Brian) Lashoff, (Mattias) Backman. We think we have a number of good ones. If we can add a little size up front, it would be beneficial.”


Getting bigger up front is an ongoing process for the Wings and it will continue on draft day.

“It’s just the way the game has evolved,” McDonnell said. “It’s a big man’s game. I’m not saying there’s no room for smaller guys, but if you can get a big, skilled guy, you go that route. We’ll still take small guys if we have to, but we’re looking to get bigger. We have bigger guys coming up in (forwards Tomas) Jurco and (Riley) Sheahan.”

The Wings will go earlier on draft day than they have in many years. It’s the quickest they will be called to the podium in the first round since 1991, when they also selected a big forward, Martin Lapointe.

“We’re excited,” McDonnell said. “At 18, we know we’ll get someone we really like. The draft in general is strong, in the first round and even into the second round. It’s deep at the top end of the draft and then it peters out. There will be guys we like even in the seventh round, but the high-end part of the draft is good. At 18, we’ll get a quality player.”

This is a good thing!

#2422347 Howard a top 6-8 goalie?

Posted by Richdg on 25 June 2013 - 10:51 PM

Are we debating Howard again? You know the guy with a BETTER career save % than Brodeur, that Howard!!!!!!!!!

#2422226 Trade/Buyout thread

Posted by Richdg on 25 June 2013 - 02:22 PM

here is hoping Stevie goes through with the rumored buyout of Vinny LeCav! he would be a nice #2 C for us!

#2421741 Detroit: Circa June 2018...

Posted by Richdg on 24 June 2013 - 11:33 AM

Anthony Mantha or Samuel Morin

Mantha is who I would take, but I don't think Holland will draft him. I would love to be proven wrong Kenny!

#2421714 Nyquist or Tatar

Posted by Richdg on 24 June 2013 - 09:12 AM

Depends. The answer could be both, neither, or just one. if we had the had the chance to pick up 2 very good/great players but had to trade both away, you do it. Just some examples. You can pick up letang but have to include Tatar to do it. Would you? yes depending on the rest of the parts. same with Ryan.

Now which one is better? Hard to say. They are different players. Nyquist is a much better puck handler and 2 way player. tatar is a sniper with a little grit/fire in his belly. Neither are very big. But are young and cheap. In same ways I wonder if the choice is more Tatar or Brunner? They are closer in style of play. Both being shooters first.

#2421435 Per Eklund, Wings & Flyers pursuing Bobby Ryan

Posted by Richdg on 22 June 2013 - 09:50 PM

LOL on 2 fronts. First the rumors. They will fly.


Now for those dissing on Ryan, you all are just plan crazy! Why in the world would anyone want a 26 year old forward who's typical year is 30-35 goals with 120-150 hits. That is just crazy talk. He is all of 2 years older than Nyquist. Think about that. He has MORE 30 goals seasons than Franzen 4 to 1, more 30 goal seasons that Datsyuk 4 to 3, and the same number of 30 goal seasons as Zetterberg 4 to 4. he would be our best offensive player the day he was here. he would be our second best hitter after Abby as well.


A top line of Abby-Datsyk-Ryan would be flat out awesome! Over a full season where everyone is healthy that line would score us 80+ goals. A true top line.


All that being said, never happen.

#2421189 Flyers to buyout Briere

Posted by Richdg on 21 June 2013 - 10:54 AM

Show of hands, how many people who are interested in Briere are the same people who wanted nothing to do with Weiss over in the other thread because he was too small to play center for our team going forward?  I'm not going to bother checking, but there's got to be some. 


Anyway, no thanks on Briere.  He's had a great career and all, and he's got a lot of moxy, but I like center's who play defense.  For that matter, so do the coaches and management.  Which is why we have the system we do, and why Danny Briere won't be donning the Winged Wheel in this lifetime. 

I am a firm no on both. Both are old, small, EXPENSIVE, and are guys that we have a bunch of. We are already filled up at the forward position. As of today guys like Tatar, Nyquist, Andersson, etc... are in danger of being in the minors. Adding a Briere or Weiss only increases that chance. What they can produce can be found in the 3 younger guys for a lot less money. Now if we are talking about adding Big Vinny from TB after a buyout, that would be different. he is a very different type of player than what we already have.

#2420999 Ilitch reveals plan for new $450m, 18,000-seat Red Wings arena

Posted by Richdg on 20 June 2013 - 10:22 AM

The reduction is seats is all about supply and demand. Reduce the supply to drive up the demand. They did the same thing with Tigers Stadium and Comerica Park. COPA seats about 12,000 fewer people. The higher demand allows for higher prices.

#2419816 Wings Sign Drew Miller to 3 year extension @ 1.35m/yr

Posted by Richdg on 14 June 2013 - 11:24 AM

While I like Miller not sure he was needed or where he is going to play. This makes about 15 forwards as of today and it has been rumored that Cleary and Brunner will be resigned. That makes 17 forwards. yes we could make a trade or buy a guy out. But there does seem to be a lot of avergae/below average guys on the roster eating up places and cap space.

#2418737 What would you give up for Malkin?

Posted by Richdg on 08 June 2013 - 10:24 PM

If they were going to move him-doubt it, I would give whatever they wanted. Malkin has and will continue to out score most of our forwards combined. He has 560 career points in 458 regular season games. In the playoffs he has 97 points in 82 games. That my friends is production. Proven production. That is better than either Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Malkin would be our best player and it isn't even close. At 26-soone to be 27, he has 8-10 GREAT years left.

On the open market he would get a 7 year (max) 70 million deal. If he resigns with his current team, they can go to 8 years. This is big. As for paying him, how much wasted money are the wings currently carrying? Bert-2 million, Sammy-3 million, Q-almost 4 million, Cola-2.5 million, Cleary-3 million. That is 14.5 million just on those guys.

But we would have to move our prospects. So? At best 1 out of 5 ever make it. Most don't. Nyquist, tatar, and Anderson will never produce the same amount as Malkin. Heck he might even produce MORE playing with his countryman and Ideal-Datsyuk.

Our issue this past year was O. Adding a 50+ goal guy fixes that overnight.


Now wil this ever happen? No. Holland doesn't have the stones for this type of move anymore. This would be a better move than when we traded Primeau for Shanahan.Yes Kieth turned into a great player-before the head injuries, but Shanny got us 4 cups. In the end that is what matters. Cups. Malkin makes us a cup contender. The others don't.

#2416286 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by Richdg on 30 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

Guys, use capgeek and read. If franzen was to retire in the Summer of 2017, 4 seasons from now we would have a cap it of 2,772,727 for 3 more seasons. If he was to retire in the summer of 2016, our cap hit would be just under 2.1 million for 4 seasons. I he retires in the summer of 2018 the cap hit is 4.16 million for 2 seasons. If he retires in the summer of 2019 the hit is 8.32 million for 1 season.

In any of these events he costs us money on our cap, when he is not even playing. The hit is worse as he gets closer to the end of his contract. Now if we buy him out, he gives us a $0 cap hit. he is going to get paid his 22.5 million no matter what we/he does.

#2416273 Wow... Danny Cleary

Posted by Richdg on 30 May 2013 - 04:21 PM

Over the next few days we will find out about all the injuries. But guess what? EVERYONE HAS GUYS PLAYING HURT! It is the freaking playoffs. very few if any teams are going to go through the playoffs without having half their team banged up. Happens every year.


As for Cleary, no one has ever doubted his heart or his guts. he has tons of both. But he is also half the player he used to be. It happens. he is 33/34 now and a UFA. No I do not want him back. We have young guys in the minors that need to play. yes they could flop. But untill they play every day, we don't know. What can Cleary give us that Sheahan can't? Nothing. Yes Sheahan is young and inexperienced, but how does he get experience? oh ya-he plays!