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#2306040 My Trade Proposal

Posted by Richdg on 08 June 2012 - 02:30 PM

With all due respect, 25 year old signed long term Ryan is going to cost way more then we can pay. hell Boston and the rangers can both pay more than us, and both are looking for upgrades. if we are going to try to trade with the Ducks Perry is the guy we should be focsuing on. yes he is a bit better, but is a UFA next season, and i highly doubt that the Ducks can keep him. Plus those TV commercials with Nicky will help....LOL

#2305907 Would you do this deal?

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 08:28 PM

I wouldn't want Foligno for both Quincey and Hudlers rights. Although I've heard far worse trade proposals than that.

I think its a little bit too expensive, If the Wings needed to sweeten the pot and Ottawa wants Hudler I'd rather give up Kindl or a later round draft pick.

We paid a pretty steep price for Quincey, I'd like to see him after he gets a training camp with the current team under his belt.

Ottawa may be hesitant to trade for Hudler's rights as well unless they get permission from the Wings to work on a deal with him beforehand.

It comes down to money. Quincey will be in the 3.5-4 million range, and Foligno will be around there as well.

#2305852 Would you do this deal?

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

here is one of many opinion pieces on Hudler and Ott.


Did not know this was out there, but here is something of interest....


#2305850 Would you do this deal?

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

yeah i would do this for sure. foligno looked great last year and he definitely plays with a chip on his shoulder... though ottawa wont let him walk i can almost guarantee

That is why we are trading with them. Ott is a team that has limited budgets. They have needs and wants that we can help fill and visa versa. But hey it is just internet spit balling.....LOL

#2305844 Would you do this deal?

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

It has been posted here and on several NHL rumor sites over the past month. Do a quick google search and you can find it.

#2305842 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 02:19 PM

I've already addressed this issue. It would help for you to read back over the WHOLE discussion, but in the event that you won't I'll go ahead and paraphrase all of my assertions.

1. It is next to impossible to tell whether a kid will be good in the NHL based ONLY on 111 NCAA hockey games.
2. Unless you're a once in a lifetime talent like Stamkos, Toews, or Crosby you need to undergo proper player development.
3 Proper player development includes competing in training camp and spending time in the AHL.
4. Players who have not undergone this process of development, and aren't considered once in a lifetime talents, should not be guaranteed NHL roster spots over established players.
5. Justin Schultz is not a once in a lifetime talent. He also hasn't undergone proper player development. Therefore, he shouldn't be guaranteed anything without competing for it.


6. Sign Justin Schultz to a two way contract and let him develop and compete like all of our other prospects. When he's ready, he's ready.

Again you are speaking to facts not in evidence. You have no idea, nor do I or anyone else, if Schultz is ready right now to play in the NHL. Did not Abdelkder go straight from MSU to the Wings? yes he did. Kreider of the Rangers just did it this year. Kreider was drafted in the same area of the draft as Schultz was. I am sure there are more examples of this, just have those 2 off the top of my head. You are under estimating the value of college hockey and over valuing the level of play in the AHL. Heck most seasons the Wolverines are better than the Griffins. Same can be said for MSU and other top programs.

Who is better, Smith or Schultz? Does it matter? The fact is Schultz is better than Kindl period. Which automatically would give Schultz a #6/#7 spot on the Wings...

Sign Suter, Schultz, Dekeyser...trade Kindl, let Qunicey explore RFA. Kindl has been given ample opportunity to prove he belongs in the NHL, and he does, but not here. He may make a #5/#6 somewhere else, but he is not going to here. Drafts are a crap shoot and we are learning that Kindl was pretty much a bust for where he was drafted...Quincey is more valuable to us for the draft picks in return, not worth $3.5M. I hate sounding negative about two NHL experienced defensemen, but like someone said earlier, now is the time to stick our neck out and go young and let them grow in the organization...


Inexperience bottom 3? Yes, but they will all grow together and in three-four years they will all be great! As long as they all pay together and learn together...

Dekeyser would be a great signing.....next spring. He has alreay decided to go back to WMU for one more year. IIRC.......

#2305836 Would you do this deal?

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 02:05 PM

No this hasn't been floated somewhere. Just one of my crazy ideas, based on rumored needs/wants for both clubs. Det sends Quincey and the rights to Hudler to Ott for Nick Foligno.

Now if any rumors are correct, and lord only knows if they are, Det is looking to get bigger, faster, younger, and tougher. Ott is rumored to be in love with Hudler and needs 1 more D. Quincey and Foligno are RFA's. Hudler is a UFA of course. It helps both teams. maybe a draft pick back to Det to balance it out a bit more.

For those that don't know Nick Foligno he is a 24 year old LW from NY. he is listed at 6-0/210 on 1 site and 6-1/215 on others. he is good for 15+ goals per year and about 90 PIM's on average. basicly he is a LW McCarty, minus the off the ice stuff. Would think he ends up in the 2.8 to 3.2 million range to sign long term. Thoughts?

#2305785 Why Evander Kane is Worth the Price

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 10:36 AM

The Jets are cash strapped, they are poorly managed. heck they only have 4 players signed through the 2013 season. How does any team only have 4 guys signed? TBH if we are going to try and deal with the jets, I would rather go after their Dman Bo-soemthing or another. Big young Rh D. Fills more of a need.

#2305783 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 10:30 AM

Picking him up for nothing IS a good thing. No one is debating that. I think the debate here is...

Is he NHL ready right now?

The answer to that is a resounding no.

Basing that on your decades of being a pro hockey scout and coach? fact is no one knows how anyone will turn out. yes that also includes Smith. A handfull of games does not make a career. besides, who said he has to help this season? if we keep Quincey we have 6 Dman already. i do expect us to get one of the 4 top UFA D's out there. The perfect solution would be sign schultz, 1 year at GR, then he replaces White who is a UFA after this season.

#2305739 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by Richdg on 07 June 2012 - 12:08 AM

Brendan Smith played two years of AHL hockey and competed for his spot in two Red Wings training camps. Schultz didn't. Next.

That isn't schultz fault he hasn't played there yet. well it kinda is. But, when they did play at the same level on the same team, schultz was better. That is fact, not opinion. better numbers-not a lot, accross the board. Which if anything should make us more excited about going after him. Picking up another guy that is equal to or better than smith, and costing us nothing!!!! How can any logical fan not think this is a good move?

#2305709 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by Richdg on 06 June 2012 - 08:46 PM

What Kipwinger said is true. Schultz played hockey in the NCAA, and in a pretty weak league at that. Sure, he wanted to get an education, and I don't fault him for that. People still shouldn't look at those point totals and get a hard on over them. He is a prospect at this stage, and nothing more.

So let me get his right. Smith plays at the same school, in the same league, and per those on this forum he is a can't miss prospect. schultz out performs Smith and he is to risky, overrated etc........ is this what you are trying to say? just want to make sure before I bust a gut laughing my ass off.

#2305707 In Anticipation of 2012 Draft

Posted by Richdg on 06 June 2012 - 08:42 PM

But the RW would never ever do anything illegal or underhanded. We have to much class for that after all.......... sorry, just couldn't help myself......

#2305659 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by Richdg on 06 June 2012 - 03:17 PM

I can honestly see the Wings standing pat with 2 defensemen and a top six forward, and addressing any additional issues at the trade deadline. There's no real reason to run out and spend money on a backup goalie or bottom six forward when either of those things could be had with very little effort later on. Then again, I could be totally wrong, but I certainly won't be surprised if Holland only makes a couple of moves. Especially if any of those moves involves picking up high end talent.

The backup goalie is entirely health related. Goalies with back issues are very worrying. TBH I expect this to be address real fast come July 1.

Wrong - I cannot remember one trade that involved a players rights prior to free agency that was contingent on signing.

There have been some where the compensation would change if the player did or did not sign but the eve nif the player did not sign with the team there was some compensation going to the player's original team. That is why we saw Dan Hamhuis' rights get traded twice in one off season a couple summers ago.

Wrong? how? Do you work in the NHL's office? just becasue you can't remember doesn't mean it does or does not happen. I don't know all of the by laws of the NHL. Just speaking for myself, i would not trade 1st round picks on a huge risk like not being able to sign a guy. maybe 3rd for the rights, and add an additional 1st if he signs. Just as an example.

#2305605 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by Richdg on 06 June 2012 - 12:35 PM

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? its absolutely Waddell's opinion, unless you can produce a link to Hollands comments.


I'm fairly certain this is the article/blog you're talking about. Its George Malik using a Dave Waddell interview for the Windsor Star as the basis for his opinion piece.

The portions in big quotes aren't quotes from Holland, they are the portions that Malik has borrowed from Waddell's article. The quotes from Holland are in small quotations within the borrowed material.

At no point does he say we need X number of players, or what type of players we'd need. Just that he's open to exploring the trade market for the right players rights, that Joey MacDonald will be healthy next year, that he wants the team to be deeper and a little different and that he always feels pressure.

Listen not going to get into the quality of reporting in todays media. When things are quoted, the sourcing is terrible. so if I am wrong, so be it. But there have been other posts on this very forum over the past month saying the same thing, being attributed to Holland. Does it really matter if it is 4 or 5 players? Not at all. from day 1 it has been backup goalie, top 6 forward, bottom 6 forward with grit, and a top dman. The only real change was a second top dman.

#2305589 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by Richdg on 06 June 2012 - 11:57 AM

If you read the story, that was from an interview that waddel did with Holland. those are quotes, not some writers opinions.

Now onto the list of questions....

1. we have 21 on the roster. Holland wants to add 5 or so new players. That makes 26. Roster is limited to 23. 3 need to go. Yes a Nyquist could go down to GR. same with Mcdonald. In theory emmerton and mursak. That would open up the roster space.
2. the idea of trading for rights has some merit. but who do you trade for those rights? Say it is now June 25th and the devils realiaze they can't resign parise. they decide to trade his rights. Who do we offer, that will keep us from being outbid? Where are the trade pieces?
3. if you let Quincey walk, which is an option, you have to get 2 UFA's to sign. there is no guarente that will happen, or if it does that we end up with someone better than Quincey. For example. is 31 year old Jackman better than Quincey, and who much more would we have to pay to get him?
4. Right now i am less interested in the names of players, we can all come up with long lists of personnel fav's that could help. The far more interesting part is the how do we get player x, y, and x etc.....