Richdg

Anyone who cant tell the difference between Hosaa and Franzen is insane. Clear speed and skill difference. Very clear. Holland crapped the bed on that one.

No, they have similiar skills. Hossa uses his and frnazen does not. That is the difference. If we could merge Cleary's heart and effort with Franzens natural God given talent, we would have a 50 goal scorer. But at 33 years of age, that just isn't happening.

This is just all kinds of wrong and unlike some of the other Franzen critics who've made good points this lacks any and all sense.

 

First how can Abby and Cleary be playing over Franzen on line 2, when he is playing on line #1 with Zetterberg and Brunner? Technically speaking he's playing over Datsyuk, Cleary and Abby.

 

Secondly, why would he retire costing a team thats been loyal to him when he could just go on LTIR and not cost the team at all should he want to hang them up?

 

Third, your assessment of Franzen's defence is so wrong its mind boggling. Franzen has been on the ice for a total of 4 goals against all season while facing the toughest opposition of anyone on the entire team. Per/60 minutes Franzen ranks 3rd among the Wings forwards in goals against. He trails only Tootoo and Eaves both of which face easier opposition. Sammy on the other hand ranks dead last on the entire team, while facing the worst opposition of the entire team.

 

The only way you can reach the conclusion you did is to either be completely biased, or completely oblivious to what happens on the ice.

 

Clarkson

Are you Ms. Franzen or what? You realize he is on a 16 g over 82 game pace right? Do you watch him play? he does nothing! Even the one thing he is supposed to do: shot and score he isn't doing. he doesn't hit, he doesn't skate. But your blind man/woman love is refreshing........

Just for a point of reference. Clarkson is on a 37 G over 82 game pace.

How many games does a team win scoring only 1 goal? That is our problem. not our tender or D.

Stalberg is a UFA. Might fit in next year with Z and Nyquist......

Change up Abdelkader with Andersson and we're good.  Andersson can at least score.

No. Abby is doing his job in front of the net. It is/was franzen that sucks. No effort once again. As the anoouncers pointed out. If he is still hurt, htne put him on the IR. if he is healthy then he needs to play hard, or he should sit in the press box. He is doing nothing for this team.

Once he signs, we have another good young big Dman. Yes start next year in GR and go from there.

For those that doiubt Howard, he is the only reason we are not down 3 or 4 goals right now.  Getting out shot 21-9 and it is a 0-0 tie. Great job Jimmy!!!!!! Boys wake up and give him some help! PP lets go!

Resign Brunnerat 2 million per season? WTF????? He will get at least 3 million per, maybe 4.

To date Brunner has been great, but now his challenge begins. he ahs made a splash, word is out. The league will now game plane for him and adjust to him. Can he continue to have success? Stay tuned.....

Yes he is off pace from last season, but so is everyone not names Zetterberg or Datsyuk.  Filppula is coming off a career best 66 points in 81 games, and you are saying all he would get us in return  is a middle of the road depth player or a mediocre prospect? Really? So lets say trading Filppula for Jordin Tootoo would have been an even swap?  Or lets say we trade Filpulla for TJ Hensick? Gimme a break guys, you really under value Val right about now. I am not saying you could get Shea Weber for  him, but he has more value than a mediocre prospect...expecially if you package Tatar and our 1st rounder which seems like it may be a top 15 the more I watch this team...maybe even a top 10.

NO!!!!!! Don't not trade away picks for this years draft! It is loaded! Pick up more picks for this eyars draft. Add young talent. There are several guys in this years draft that could walk onto the team right now and be in our top 3 players. Do not give that up! Add in the ages of datsyuk and Z, we have to find the next cornerstone(s) for the next 12-15 years. The only place that is possible is the draft. You can get good players via trade for the next 5-8 years, but not the next 15.

Hindsight is always 20/20. There is no perfect GM in any sport anywhere. heck even fans can't agree on what type of players they want. Some like small speedy guys, other big power guys, others yet a mixture. Same thing with drafts. IIRC about 63% of first rounders become career NHL guys. That means they play more than 200 games. in the second round it drops to 25%. For the 3rd round on, it is only 12%. 1 out of 6 drafted players ever play more than 200 games in the NHL. Now those that become stars...... well it is a really small number.

Has Holland done things that I disagree with? Yup. has he done things I like? Yup. Point is, it is always a mixed bag. We were on top of the league for 20 years. To stay there we traded picks and young players. Now we are paying for it. Would I trade a single SC for 3 1st round picks today? hell no.

Now it is time to rebuild. This will take 2-3 years to do it right. No it will not be fun. But it is what it is. 

There have been very few times in my years as a Wings fan that I have either questioned Holland or Babs but this one just doesn't make much sense to me.  Nyquist hasn't been that great either but his up side over Dan Cleary right now is worth keeping him here for the time being.

Could it be, and i realize this is crazy, but maybe Nyquist isn't as good as some here think? After all he seems to have been passed by tatar. Let's face some possibilities here. Nyquist has been up a couple of different times. he hasn't been able to stay and beat out any one of several over the road has beens/never were's.

Great movie.  Unfortunately, it's a misused and misunderstood title.  

 

Quincey belongs in the ugly part.  He's not scoring, not defending, not hitting, etc.  Getting paid well, though.  

 

Brunner should be in the good.  He's made some mistakes, but he's scoring and exceeding expectations.  

Brunner was -3 tonight.

Good: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Ericsson

Bad (or average): Franzen, Filppula, Brunner, Quincey, Howard

Ugly: Cleary, Kronwall, White

These are the guys I expected things out of this year.

I guess you have to go back to before the season. What did you expect? I thought we were/are a slighly better than .500 team that would end up between 6th and 10th in the WC. Guess what. That is what we are. To "good" to be considered a bad team, but not good enough to hang with ethe top teams anymore.

I work at a hospital. We get intractable back pain patients all the time. Usually when it's severe and sudden like this, it's from muscle spasm and there is no need for surgery. Usually goes away after a few days of heavy duty muscle relaxers. But who knows if that's the case here.

After wtaching tonights game, we all could use some of those pain killers.......

I guess we need a thread for each and every player. That way when they play well we can talk about their HOF career and when they play bad we can talk about how crappy they are.

As for Howard, not sure how much more he can do. If it wasn't for him we would have a losing record and be giving up 7 or 8 goals a game.

we are tied for 5th 25% of the way through the season. we need to keep moving up before the halfway mark.