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#2615130 The Bowman Effect

Posted by FlashyG on 18 June 2015 - 04:33 PM


He was in charge of the Blues when the NHL first expanded and built a team that immediately won the new conference for the first few years.  He has little to do with the Hawks' success though


He was an assistant coach with the Blues when they came into the league and got promoted to head coach when the GM/Head coach quit, he had nothing to do with building the Blues and its not like the Blues were some sort of giant success story.


They played in a conference where every single team was an expansion team and they were swept every time they faced a team from the Original 6 conference.


 He did coach them well, but his prowess as a coach has never been questioned

Anyone that tries to down play Bowman is a complete fool. he wins championships. has done so his entire career. the teams that he has taken over didn't win before he arrived, and stopped winning after he left. it really is that simple.

Yes his son is also a very good hockey man. Where do you think he learned that? Who helped him get the job? Who do you think he turns to for advise when deciding what players to keep vs let go? This is simple stuff.


Bowman jumped ship from St. Louis to Montreal, who had won 5 of the previous 7 Stanley Cups, so I'd say they were pretty well established as winners before Scotty arrived to "Save" them. They were built by Sam Pollock (and the lack of a draft allowing them a masive edge in acquiring all players coming into the league from the province of Quebec) certainly not by Bowman. Its also not that big of a coincidence that shortly after Pollock stepped down as GM, Bowman moved on to Buffalo to try his hand at being a GM. 


While Buffalo didn't win much before he got there, nor did they win more when he left, they didn't win anything while he was there either. They made the finals once, but were only 3-6 in playoff series under Bowman, they missed the playoffs twice and were the worst team in the league when Bowman was eventually fired.


His next stop in the league was in Pittsburgh where he took over a team that was the reigning Stanley Cup Champs, he was able to repeat for them with a star studded line-up before moving onto Detroit who were a top team in the league for the previous 2 seasons before he arrived, and have continued to be successful after his departure.


Bowman would be a fantastic adviser to a coach, but where in his history does he give you any indication that he knows how to build a hockey team. Perhaps Stan has gotten advice from his dad at times, who knows, but its absolutely clear that as a GM Stan Bowman has been a far better GM than his dad ever was and to credit Scotty for his sons success as a GM is completely unfair and somewhat insulting to one of the best GM's in the league.


Personally I don't think he has anything to do with the Blackhawks success at all, I think he's piggy backing off his son's work now collecting rings while sitting at home in Buffalo.

#2615088 The Bowman Effect

Posted by FlashyG on 18 June 2015 - 12:06 PM

I'm going to go ahead and say it.


Scotty Bowman is the most overrated person in hockey history.


He was a great coach, that's not in question but as a GM he was absolutely terrible, and he gets credit for millions of things he has absolutely nothing to do with.


His is also incredibly opportunistic, in that he jumps from team to team that are on the cusp of winning and rides his predecessors work to add to his hardware collection. The only time in his entire career where he was tasked with building something was in Buffalo, and it was the only stop on his ride where he didn't succeed. 


I don't think Stan Bowman gets anywhere near the credit he deserves, Scotty lives nowhere near Chicago and has next to no impact on the day to day workings of the Blackhawks, yet when the Hawks win 3 cups in such a short span its not the GM that gets the credit, it goes to his 81 year old father who wasn't half the GM his son is. 


It's hard to find anyone on earth more overrated when you consider someone in this thead thinks your cup chances improve simply by writing Scotty Bowman on any type of paycheck.

#2609816 TSN Play of the Year

Posted by FlashyG on 22 May 2015 - 11:19 PM

According to Drum our votes will time-out after a certain number cast so I suggest downloading this add-on to chrome.


Hola: Better Internet


It allows you to change your location to continue having your votes count and as an added bonus it will allow you to get around most sites that geo block you, like Netflix, TSN, Hulu etc...


Every hour or so just select a new country to vote from and re-start the script.

#2609815 TSN Play of the Year

Posted by FlashyG on 22 May 2015 - 11:08 PM

Here is the script to use to vote for Z in this round


setInterval(function(){$("#page-wrapper > div > div > section.plays > div.match-play.ng-scope.left-play > button").click()},6000)

#2609484 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by FlashyG on 21 May 2015 - 02:52 PM

I disagree. I think this is a special player we have and we have an opportunity to let him play a couple seasons on the same team as Pavel Datsyuk, much like Pav got to play with Stevie and Shanny. Let Larkin player and learn from Pav.


Spots on the Wings need to be earned or its a slap in the face to the guys like Athanasiou, Callahan, Ferraro, Pulkkinen etc.. who all had to prove they were NHL calibre players before even getting a sniff of the NHL team. 


If Larkin comes in and blows them all away with his talent, then maybe he earns his spot quicker than they did, but nothing should be given to a prospect based on what he did in College/Juniors.


Lets see how he does in this upcoming playoff series, then lets see how much he improves between the playoffs and next seasons training camp. If all goes well then to that point maybe we can talk about him joining the Wings.

#2609223 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by FlashyG on 20 May 2015 - 08:03 PM

I think all the assistants will go with Babcock.


They probably see coaching with him as a springboard to an NHL job. 

#2609214 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by FlashyG on 20 May 2015 - 07:29 PM


#2607273 TSN Play of the Year

Posted by FlashyG on 11 May 2015 - 10:08 PM


What Slovakian deluge?


Last year there was a massive contingent of Slovakian voters who helped propel Tatar to the TSN Play of the year title.


In one match-up vs TJ Oshie, Tatar edged him out with a massive comeback where both guys had millions of votes.


I believe that is the reason our votes were timing out after a certain # cast. A lot of Blues fans were complaining we were cheating...(we were)

#2607235 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by FlashyG on 11 May 2015 - 06:06 PM

Babcock in Toronto would be pretty funny.


Babs is used to the Detroit media that aren't exactly known for stirring the pot. In Toronto every single decision he makes will be put under the microscope and he'll be badgered about each and every one of them.


Not to mention the micro managing he'll have to deal with from Shanahan and the board of directors. 

#2607177 2015 Draft

Posted by FlashyG on 11 May 2015 - 12:25 PM

It was this thread a couple of months back. I think he has a chance to do it. I also beleive oullett and marchencko do. ATM it appears the RW's believe those 2 are ahead of Sproul.


I don't think there has ever been a time where they weren't ahead of Sproul.


Sproul has a ton of potential but has yet to realize most of it. I still have high hopes for him next year but he needs to take a big step  forward if he's going to make the jump to the next level.

#2607151 2015 Draft

Posted by FlashyG on 11 May 2015 - 10:50 AM

This is a draft where I'd trade down.


There are a lot of good players ranked higher than 30th this year and by moving down we can likely get 2 in that group plus recover the 3rd round pick we traded away.


I have a feeling some of our prospect depth is going to be depleted this year either by promotion or via trade so we'll need to restock that cupboard sooner rather than later.

#2606985 TSN Play of the Year

Posted by FlashyG on 10 May 2015 - 01:14 PM

These Hutton fans are persistent. The lead is changing hands frequently but with Hutton holding it longer and by more.

#2598068 TSN Play of the Year

Posted by FlashyG on 21 April 2015 - 08:48 PM

Can we make it 3 years in a row?

We have 2 entrants this year, Zetterberg with a goal of the back of Mazanek's head, and Nyquist's 28 second goal vs Ottawa (I assume, it's not up for voting yet.)

Head over to TSN now to vote for Zetterberg


If you use Google Chrome you can follow these instructions to vote for you without you having to click the button every 5 seconds.


First hit "F12" it will open up a menu, on the top of the menu there is a button for "console" click that and paste the following on the command line.


setInterval(function(){$("#page-wrapper > div > div > section.plays > div.match-play.ng-scope.left-play > button").click()},6000)

#2584217 Losing Streak affecting Babcock's Decision?

Posted by FlashyG on 23 March 2015 - 03:04 PM

It's not the losing streak that's making his decision hard, its the opportunity to yell at College kids that is enticing him to leave NHL coaching.



#2584210 3/22 GDT : Blues 1 at Red Wings 2 (OT)

Posted by FlashyG on 23 March 2015 - 01:19 PM