I don't care what you guys think but there was a quote about it in a thread. Or maybe it was Babcock who said it? Either way it's the reason why he wasn't pursued and the fact they value unproven prospects over proven goal scorers. As many of you do as well.
The show us the quote...or stop claiming its a fact.
Also the irony of you saying we don't value proven goal scorers when you're advocating buying out Franzen is pretty spectacular.
Should be a good game, getting Duchene's speed in the line-up is a plus. I just wish it was in place of Kunitz rather than an injured Tavares.
The US has been cruising through this tournament so I assume they'll be the favorite, but Canada has only surrendered 2 deflections and a stretch pass breakaway on a trick play that I doubt any team would have seen coming.
If the Canadian offence doesn't find its groove I don't like our chances. I think the defence can keep the US offence in check, but 1 or 2 goals probably wont cut it against an offence playing as well as the Americans.
3rd and 4th best teams? Now you have lost your mind! USA and the country up north are the top 2. There is no question about this. The only thing that makes it even close is the bigger ice, which the euros are far more familiar with. There are reasons why Canada has had 445 player play in the NHL this year, the US has had 200, then followed in distant 3rd Sweden had 57, Czech republic has 33, Russia 29, and Finland 20.
I'm with LeftWinger, I want Canada to lose every chance they get, BECAUSE of the entitlement. Having said that, I definitely want to play Canada in this tournament so I can see the maple tears fall from the heavens (and so there are no excuses). I'd prefer it was for gold, but I'll take a ticket to the gold on their backs.
You're underestimating our ability to come up with excuses....If we lose to anyone at any point in time there will ALWAYS be excuses...most of which will rightfully be incredibly hilarious to you guys.
Bad Ice, Bad Refereeing, wrong coach, wrong line-up, Crosby had a hangnail that hindered his shot all tournament, some idiot in Regina shaved his Olympic beard too soon, Glen Healy stole our mojo...we've got a million excuses when we lose.
Win or lose at least we've still got curling right fellow Canucks???
is Flashy saying that American's were cheering for a Canada regulation win so we don't have to meet them in a medal round? Please....
I was rooting for a outright Canadian lose. I don't want the Canadians to win anything ever. I could care less if we have to play them or not, because nothing is better than watching the Canadian teams lose. I have already explained that the ONLY thing that scares me about the Canadians is their D. Their O is incohesive and their goalies are nowhere near as good as Quick/Miller... As it stands, if all "top" teams advance, it will be USA v. Canada to see who goes to Gold round or Bronze round. Nothing is guaranteed and the USA could possibly lose to a very talented CZE or a SLV team set on revenge. Canada is going to have fits with the Swiss if they aren't somehow upset by Latvia.
But Flashy, to say the US is trying to avoid Canada is crap. I would love to eliminate them in whichever round we get to play them in, but like stated above, I want to see Canada lose all the time, against whoever, because it is great to see the crying that comes after and the whining... I hope to see them in the semi's, but they better get their O together because compared to the rest of their preliminary games, the USA is Omnipotent.... (not to be confused with omnipotent-hudler)
and that, my friend Flashy, is the Juck f****** Pott...
I was referring to the hundreds of posters on HFboards who seemed to be trying to figure out any scenario they could where they were on the opposite side of the bracket.
Posts like these
As a USA fan I'd like to see USA not **** the bed against Slovenia and secure the 3 seed, then have anything other than Canada winning in overtime happen. If Canada wins in OT I believe that puts them into 2nd place and sets up a semis match with USA. I'd much rather have that matchup project to be Sweden.
USA wants Canada at #1 for bracket purposes.
Basically the only scenario that's bad for the US is if Canada wins in OT/SO
Yup...if either team wins in ot/so, they're the #2 seed, setting up a semi final match up with usa most likely. If it goes to ot, we then want Finland to win...
If the game goes to OT...Go Finland! Otherwise hoping for a Canada win in regulation.
A Finland win in regulation would be good as well. In that case Canada would play Russia in the quarters.
The only real scenario that the US should be worried about is a Canada OT/SO win. Any other result (FIN win in any manor or a CAN regulation win) would suit us favorably.
That's just from a tiny portion of that thread...Maybe Red Wing fans are a little more open to a tougher challenge on the way to gold, as I didn't see anyone posting thoughts like that here, but it seems that the wider team USA fanbase really didn't want to have to face Canada unless a medal was on the line.
I think canada has a very good chance of winning it all, i mean all Crosby has to is fall and poof, its instant PP for can'eh'dians...
Teemu is that you?
Even if Crosby went down easily on that play today it was as blatant interference as they come.
You can't throw a body check on a guy when he's nowhere near the puck. Besides, if you actually look at the stats I wouldn't say Canada has had any help from the referee's, they've spent by far the least time with the man advantage of all the contenders, almost half as much time as the next closest to them.
That's the stupidest argument ever as I'm sure you're one of the people who say ovi is a floater to? But yet he has 40 goals so far.
Franzen floating and not playing defense is kind of the same idea?
Franzen won't last until he is 40 and I doubt z does as well. Now dats? Ya he can IMO.
Saying Weiss is a top free agent to me is laughable as I've been down on the signing since day one. And I don't care for Alfie signing either...nyquist is pretty much our leading goal scorer with quite a few less games. Imagine if he was in team to start the year like I said he should but couldn't because of Hollands STUPID signings.
"Floater" is one of the stupidest fan created terms ever. Generally the guys who get the label are great goal scorers that tend to look for open ice to shoot from, while their line-mates fight to get the puck to them.
Look at the list of players who've all been given that stupid label.
Patrick Kane, Ilya Kovalchuk, Brett Hull, Alexander Ovechkin, Alexei Kovalev, Tomas Vanek, Dany Heatley, Alexander Semin, Phil Kessel, Anze Kopitar, Paul Kariya etc,,,
Basically anyone who scores goals and doesn't get nominated for a Selke is considered one.
What really irks me about Franzen getting that label is that he's only been given the label after signing his current deal (which is a deal for the team BTW) yet his defence has actually improved since the signing. He actually gets used as a penalty killer when one of our regular guys is injured or in the box themselves so clearly Babcock doesn't think his defence is near as bad as you seem to.
I agree that Nyquist should have been in the line-up since day 1 of the season, in fact I think Holland and Babcock both know that as well, but Nyquist wasn't in the minors because we signed Alfredsson and Weiss. If Holland deserves criticism for an off-season move that kept Nyquist out of the line-up (he does) its for bringing back Cleary and/or not buying out Tootoo for a roster spot. Signing Alfredsson was a great signing, and while Weiss wasn't my first or 2nd choice, we needed a center because Flip had no interest in coming back.
You have no objectivity at all when it comes to players you don't like.
Just for comparison sake here is Franzen, Nyquist and Alfredsson's ppg rates this season.
Nyquist .72 ppg
Alfredsson .76 ppg
Franzen .74 ppg
We agree that our young talent needs to filter into the line-up to make this team a legit contender again, but they need to filter in WITH guys like Alfredsson, Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg etc. The guys up front that should be cut loose are guys like Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Miller, Eaves, Emmerton, and Tootoo. Replacing them with our prospects has potential to make us much better, but replacing our best players with prospects will at best be a wash and will more likely make us worse.
I don't think Canada has looked anywhere near as bad as some of you make it seem, or that the US has looked much better.
Defensively Canada is playing FAR better than I've ever seen them on the big ice, they're getting tremendous amounts of offence from their defence as well and their goalies have both been steady. The US have been very similar, Quick has been great and their defence has been solid although I don't think they're as good at contributing offensively, that's easily been made up for by the strong play of their forwards though, especially Kessel.
Canada's forward group should have scored a few more goals but they've faced some better goaltending, which can, and probably will happen to everyone at some point. I'd rather deal with it in the round robin than I would in the medal round. (although I think Canada is in for another tough game if Switzerland gets by Latvia)
When it comes to comparing their pools I don't think the gap is that big either. The American's pool had a better bottom 2 teams, and they looked a lot better vs their minnows than Canada did vs theirs. On the other hand I personally think Finland is a better team than Russia and that Canada looked better vs Finland than the US did vs Russia.
I thought Russia outplayed the Americans for the majority of that game, but Quick played great and T.J. Oshie was the definition of clutch in the shootout. Canada controlled the flow of play for the whole game vs Finland but Rask was outstanding and we don't have a forward on a hot streak like Kessel's.
I won't be the least bit shocked if the US goes on to win gold, or if they go through Canada to get it, but the gap between all the top teams is so small that in a single elimination format its anyone's gold medal.