As a few others have mentioned, it takes time for prospects to turn into regulars or stars. Very rarely do guys come into the NHL and put up 80 points. The far more common route is a guy come up, plays 60ish games and has 30ish point. Next year more games and more points. 3rd year the same. That was the route with most of our stars now. It took them 3-5 years to hit their potential. So, are we a really good team in 3 or 4 years by standing pat? Maybe. First not all of our prospects will work out. Second Datsyuk is then gone. Third, will Z's back hold up? Fourth, will Franzen still be around or will concussions have ended his career by then?
Four years from now, Kronwall may also be done. same with Howard. E will be in his mid 30's. Most if not all of those guys will playing fewer games and putting up fewer points as they travel through their mid and late 30's. In other words, we will be treading water.
In 3 to 4 years, Datsyuk may be gone, but Z's back will be better than its been in a decade after his surgery, this type of procedure works wonder on the type of pain he's experiencing. Suggesting Franzen's career could be over due to concussions is as likely as suggesting Crosby's will, its a possibility but not one with great probability.
It is true though that all 3 will be a lot less productive than they are right now, but Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan will be at their peaks and in some of their cases will be far better players at that point than Ryan Kesler, especially considering Nyquist is already playing better than him.
What we need both now and for the future is a #1 defenceman, I think the chances of getting one out of Sproul, Ouellet, Marchenko, or Backman is greater than the chances of getting one via trade. The best we'll get right now is Edler who is another #2 guy. You have to draft and develop defensive anchors, once you have one you never trade it away.
No offense, Flashy, because you're a good dude who makes kickass GDTs - but I'm an immature, impatient, impetuous Wings fan, and I grow weary of "Let's wait until next season, because..." There will always be high-quality players available at the deadline, true - but there will also always be reasons, excuses, rationalizations as to why we shouldn't do anything.
We have to improve significantly if we want to win one more Cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I'm high on our young guns and Griffins, but Ouellet, Sproul, Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok - they're all at least one more season away. And even then, they'll only be rookies. (Brendan Smith is a reminder that being a very good defenseman in the NHL is very, very, very hard.) Meanwhile, our core will be that much older and probably less effective.
Free agency sucks. We know the script: most of the top guys will re-sign, and the ones who don't will be looking to Get Paid and therefore won't be coming to Motown, because we're generally averse to bidding wars these days. We can't realistically expect a Daniel Alfredsson to fall into our collective lap every summer. (Collective Lap. Add that to the band name list.) Even Weiss was sort of a stroke of luck, as he was very keen on becoming a Wing. And, given Weiss's monumental struggles, I fear Kenny's never going to take a chance on a high-end free agent again.
The only other option? Trade.
I feel like maybe the stars are aligning for us here on the trade front. The cap room we'd need? Suddenly we have it. The attractive young roster players we'd need? Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco. Potentially high (and therefore quite valuable) first-round pick? Yep. And, of course, a wealth of promising prospects. (In Mantha - who may be having his first and last this-kid-is-just-plain-better-than-everyone-else season - we have, for the first time in a long time, a prospect that any and every GM in the league would probably love to have.)
I'm not saying we should sell the farm, our future.
I'm not saying we should be in on high-priced rentals like Vanek.
I'm not saying we're a contender who just needs one big trade to put us over the top.
I'm not saying we absolutely must make a big trade.
I'm saying...Why not now? Why not doing something this season?
I feel we're in a position to make a significant move. I don't know that such a move is there to be made, but I've always believed that the possibilities are never limited to the rumors. Nearly any player can be had for the right price; a smart, creative, wiley GM might make things happen. Easy for me to say, of course. But it's also easy to do nothing.
I'm not saying we shouldn't go all in for a chance to win a cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg around, I'm saying that we'd be better off doing so next season than we are right now.
Basically any move we make right now is to improve our chances next season anyways because regardless of what we do, this season is in all likelihood a lost cause as far as cup chances are concerned.
The deadline is the worst time to make a trade anyways, prices are through the roof, only a handful of guys are available and a bunch of teams are outbidding one another to get them. If we're going to improve for next season do it at the draft, at least then we know what pick we're giving away, and hopefully we've gotten a better feel on our prospects so we're less likely to give away the good ones.
Would you trade those guys if it meant winning the Cup this year?
We all would, but unless both Zetterberg and Datsyuk are healthy we aren't winning the cup with Kesler and Edler anyways.
There will always be players of their caliber available at the trade deadline, and I wouldn't be opposed to trading prospects to get them if I thought it would make us legitimate contenders for the cup, but this year I don't think there is any moves available that put us in that category given our injury situation
Ehrhoff is signed beyond this year though. Getting him makes this team better going forward regardless of how you look it at. Whether we are in limbo right now or not, it would be a great pick up. They can't revolve decisions like these based around what ifs. If we have someone hurt, than we need to get better. Not stand pat and be all "better luck next year".
Mantha and Mrazek you'd have to think are untouchable. Especially Mantha. But for Sproul or Oulette to be a part of a package for Ehrhoff? No brainer really. We have plenty of kids in the system.
What you are saying makes sense as far as trading for a rental goes. But that wouldn't be the case here. Ehrhoff is a proven player who can improve this team. Sproul and Oulette are 2 guys who MIGHT improve the team a few years from now.
It wouldn't be a great pick-up at all if it costs us our first round pick. Right now we're 5 pts out of drafting 8th overall, and 8 pts away from picking 6th. That would give us around a 10% chance at picking 1st overall. Our Captain is injured for the rest of the season, and will be lucky to be back even for the 1st round, and our best player is clearly playing injured to the point of not practicing on off days.
Maybe I'm overvaluing potential but I think we're a far better team holding onto that pick and all our prospects rather than gambling that Ehrhoff who hasn't exactly elevated any of the 3 teams he's played for to new heights, will bring us back to the cup.
Also I wouldn't say Mrazek is untouchable, of all our top prospects he's probably the most easily traded. He's not going to be more than a back-up goalie for at least a few years, and would probably be better served playing somewhere where he'll get to start. The problem is goalies with no NHL experience aren't going to return much no matter how high their potential.
I agree with flashy but management needs to trade for a dman preferably Weiss and quincy for a strong dman
The problem there is that Weiss is a huge question mark having played so few games over the past 2 seasons and being locked into such a long term expensive deal.
Quincey on the other hand is on an expiring contract so he'd be nothing more than a rental to a contender.
You'll need to add a 1st round pick, or a couple blue chip prospects to that if you want to get a top pairing defenceman (which is what we need) and even then it doesn't mean anything if we don't have Datsyuk and Zetterberg healthy come playoff time.
This is why we make a deal with Buffalo and not Vancouver. It would only take picks and prospects, not roster players. sure they'd probably have to take 1 or 2 of our bad expiring contracts as well (as they'd probably need to to stay above the cap floor anyway if they sell off everyone).
If they're taking back bad expiring contracts they're going to want even better prospects in return, who do we part with, Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, Mantha, Mrazek? Not to mention our 1st rounder.
What happens if Datsyuk decides he can't play on his injured knee any further and gets shut down for the year. is our team even with Ehrhoff good enough to make the playoffs missing both the eurotwins? Then we'd be in a situation where we'd have a lottery pick for the first time since its been in existence and it would be Buffalo's.
Unfortunately we're caught in limbo between being a buyer and a seller and generally its smarter to do nothing in that situation.
I think the best move for the team is to do next to nothing. If you can offload some unnecessary players for late round picks, great, otherwise just stand pat with what you have.
The cost of guys like Kesler and Edler will be our youth that has resurrected our season (Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Dekeyser), and neither would make us a significantly better team when you subtract the guys it would cost to get them here.
Trades are good when you're looking to add that final piece to a cup contender, or if you're looking to blow things up and start over. The Wings aren't in either situation. They could possibly become a cup contender should a bunch of things work out in our favor but realistically we should be happy if we are able to make the playoffs considering the injuries we've had to deal with.
This is something that has always bothered me about North American teams. When we lose in the Semi-finals we go through the motions in the Bronze medal game and always get shelled.
Its why when making medal predictions I will only put Canada and USA in Gold, Silver or out of the medals.
Hats off to Finland though, not only did they show up to play without most of their center depth they put to rest all the questions about their offence with this win. I have to wonder if they'd be playing tomorrow if Rask had've been healthy for their game vs Sweden.
As I Canadian, I wish to apologize for the maturity of my fellow countrymen. They do not reflect the opinions of all of us. I wish to thank you for allowing us to participate on an American site for an American National Hockey League Team. I would be quite offended if you came in to our house and started rubbing it in. I must say I was quite impressed by the comments made until (I don't think I need to name names) certain posters started commenting. Try growing up and taking the high road,
It does not seem to bother anyone yet and in fairness he did ask if he could post a picture. but the dead Eagle IMO is a tad too far if not breaking some kinda of federal law (even if its fake). If it was my site I would have asked you to kindly take it down.
I wish to be sympathetic to my friends down south.
Keep your stick on the ice and enjoy Justin Beiber.
First, its illegal to kill the bald eagle, not to share a picture of one and if it was, the law enforcement agency who originally posted the photo would be just as guilty as me.
Second, if this thread had devolved into what it is now before I was done them I definitely wouldn't have posted them. I didn't want to contribute to the rubbing in at all. If the pictures are bothersome to any American's I'll happily take them down