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#2318831 Reminder: Personal attacks, trolling will not be tolerated

Posted by FlashyG on 12 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

So, you disagree with this assessment? :D

I think most SANE Wings fans would. At the same time, he is entitled to his opinion. Just like I have stood up for the refereeing that many people here think is ungodly bad. Does my opinion about the refereeing fall into the "trolling" category just because it differs from the majority? No.

To be totally honest, I believe they should be shutting down people who are levying personal attacks against other members. There is a way to have a great debate on a topic. Levying personal attacks isn't the way to go.

I agree 100% about the personal attacks

Disagreement is fine, but when nearly all of your posts on a Red Wings forum are taking shots at the Wings you're straddling the line from being a dissenter to a contrarian troll.

A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice all the while continuing to respond to them.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.

#2317979 The Next Move

Posted by FlashyG on 10 July 2012 - 11:12 PM

Our youngsters cant step up. Holland the Idiotic has a huge BONER for old crappy used to be's. Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, and Tootoo at 7 mil per instead of Murczak, Nyquist, and Tatar at 2.5 mil per. Gee, i wonder why we cant outbid Minnesota for Parise and Suter and re-energize the team? Oh yah, because our GM is too busy being an idiot.

Money had nothing to do with Suter and Parise signing with Minnesota over the Wings. If the Wings played in Minnesota or if Suter and Parise's Wives were from Michigan, they'd be Red Wings today.

The only way Nyquist, Mursak or Tatar should be on the roster is if they can out-perform the "old crappy used to be's" to earn their spot. I'm betting at best only 1 of them is good enough to do so at this point in their career possibly 2.

#2312724 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by FlashyG on 02 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

Helm says hi.

Darren Helm - 9g 17a, 26 pts
Jordin Tootoo - 6g 24a, 30 pts

#2311964 St. James: Wings have inquired about Rick Nash

Posted by FlashyG on 01 July 2012 - 04:59 PM

You wouldn't trade flip, Franzen and a pick for Nash? Would CBJ take it?

Not a chance on earth would I make that deal.

Filppula put up more pts than Nash on his own last season, in fewer minutes, while Franzen put up only 3 fewer than Nash.

Yet somehow Nash gets paid more than both of them combined.

I wouldn't trade Filppula for Nash straight up.

#2311097 Hudler to test free agency

Posted by FlashyG on 29 June 2012 - 12:48 PM

Hudler's biggest drawback is that you have to time him with a sundial rather than a stopwatch.

#2311079 The Grass Is Always Greener - Johan Franzen

Posted by FlashyG on 29 June 2012 - 11:56 AM

I really believe the problem is with us, not with Franzen.

For some reason when he signed his new deal fans developed unrealistic expectations for him and they don't match-up with what he's capable of or what the team actually expects of him. Franzen is not going to be a 50 goal scorer, he's a consistent 25-30 goal guy who will put up around 50-60 pts.

The idea that he's lazy is a fan thing, the players call him "Mule" for a reason. Even Babcock who got annoyed with his play near the end of this year seems to speak only positively about him.

Other than guys on entry level contracts it would be near impossible to find a player who produces more for the amount he gets paid.

#2310913 Schneider Signs extension with Vacouver

Posted by FlashyG on 28 June 2012 - 11:22 PM

Am I the only one who wouldn't pay a guy who's never played more than 33 games in a season 4 million a season?

I mean he was very good in his 60 some-odd games he's played but there have been a ton of goalies who have had a great season only to fall apart the next.

If they move Luongo and he falls apart that fan-base will go crazy.

#2310618 Red Wings OUT of bidding for D Justin Schultz

Posted by FlashyG on 27 June 2012 - 11:25 PM

Personally I thought it was a bit insulting to Smith, Nyquist and all the other rookies in Detroit's system to guarantee this guy a spot on the team when they all had to pay their dues in Grand Rapids.

Smith especially since they played together at Wisc., with Smith being the better player and higher draft pick.

#2309732 Zach Parise

Posted by FlashyG on 25 June 2012 - 12:49 PM

I think dangling a C at them just adds to the pressure they'd have on them, especially in Suter's case since he'll already have the pressure of trying to fill Lidstrom's shoes.

I think Detroits biggest selling point is our consistency and our reputation for how well we treat our players. As much as its been said that Parise and Suter might prefer playing with players closer to their age, it should also be pointed out that if they indeed want to finish their careers where they sign, having a roster full of vets who openly state they'd retire before playing anywhere else has to be a ringing endorsement for the Wings system.

#2309728 Garth Snow...

Posted by FlashyG on 25 June 2012 - 12:42 PM

Technically they could be ranked the 3rd and 4th biggest idiots in Hockey.

Charles Wang and John P. McConnell would be the biggest for continuing to employ these idiots.

#2309594 Ken Holland

Posted by FlashyG on 25 June 2012 - 01:03 AM

I think his legacy is set, the 08 cup and 09 cup finals showed, that we are more than just a big spending team able, to find gems in the later rounds. Kenny was the best GM for almost a decade and I will always respect him for that, but having said that this summer will be a big test for him and our organization going forward:

1. Team Has Gone downhill (2 round exist twice and 1 round exit)

Are big UFAs still willing to come here seeing, how we are tied between retooling and building? This offseason will answer that.

2. Can he change his philosophy?

Its nice we finally added size through the draft, but we do need immediate help come July 1, so he will have to adress that too.

I am extremely looking forward to it because some moves will give us a clear picture on that questions. Personally I think Shero is damn close.

Shero isn't even in the same stratosphere as Ken Holland.

That's not to say he's not a good GM, but he took over a team that had drafted in the top 5, 4 years in a row, and had an elite young core already assembled for him. His only real responsibility is to keep it together and he already lost his first ever draft pick with the team leaving Dustin Jeffrey as the only Ray Shero draft pick currently playing for the Penguins.

When he transitions the Pens from the Crosby/Malkin era into their next without missing the playoffs or falling below the 100pt threshold then maybe we can start to compare him to Holland.

#2308958 Tim Thomas.

Posted by FlashyG on 22 June 2012 - 08:09 PM

I still find it funny that everyone trashes him for "antics" when as far as I know, he only refused to go to the White House and only commented when pressed to. As far as I know he's not a trouble maker or not well liked among players. But I guess politics has a way of blinding people even in sports.

He posted his reasoning for not going to the White House the same day the team was attending, so if he was pressed to explain himself it must have been by reporters that were on the ball.

If he had just refused to go to the White House I wouldn't care...What I find annoying is how he makes these outlandish statements on his facebook page and then when asked about them refuses to talk about them.

If you don't want your political statements to be discussed in public...Don't make them in public.

Then comparing the Obama administration to the Nazi's a week later was also a bit disrespectful IMO.

#2308180 Zach Parise

Posted by FlashyG on 20 June 2012 - 02:11 AM

If Holmstrom isn't resigned the difference in average age between the Wild and the Wings is less than half a year.

Wild 27,2
Wings 27.6

Also in Hockey's Future's rankings of prospects the Wings are rated #15, the Wild #17.

Anything else you want to make up to support your argument?

#2308166 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by FlashyG on 19 June 2012 - 11:19 PM

Forums are so damn funny. First glad helm is back. very good checker. But a month ago I said, and I quote "it is going to take around 8 million per season to resign Helm, Abdelkader, and Quincey". Everyone on this forum, and I do mean everyone said I was nuts. no way that was going to happen. Now after the first signing, its all "great deal" or "should be a bargin in 2-3 years" etc....

There were many reasons people thought you were nuts...saying Helm was going to cost 2 million a year was far from one of them.

#2307941 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by FlashyG on 19 June 2012 - 01:42 AM

Thank you?

I do know what hearsay is, and I just am saying that there are cases where the only person investigated are done by the recounting of another person towards nothing more than "I heard him yell at him that he was going to kill him." Doesn't mean the person killed someone, just means you should most likely check where the accused was and if they have motive, an alibi, and if there is any actual proof anywhere.

I don't see how anyone can argue against that.

Clearly you don't.

What you posted is not hearsay its a witnessed account. Hearsay would be "I heard from majsheppard, that the guy yelled he was going to kill him"