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#2306991 The L.A. Kings: One and Done or Dynasty?

Posted by FlashyG on 12 June 2012 - 05:45 PM

I think they'll be contenders for years to come but if you were to do this years playoffs over again, I'm not sure they could duplicate this incredible run.

#2305871 Jagr staying in Philadelphia?

Posted by FlashyG on 07 June 2012 - 04:11 PM

54 points in 73 games.
That's better than a few younger Red Wing roster players who are making considerably more than him.

Like who?

The only Wings forwards making more money than Jagr are Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen all of which out scored him this year.

#2305601 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by FlashyG on 06 June 2012 - 12:22 PM

If you read the story, that was from an interview that waddel did with Holland. those are quotes, not some writers opinions.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? its absolutely Waddell's opinion, unless you can produce a link to Hollands comments.


I'm fairly certain this is the article/blog you're talking about. Its George Malik using a Dave Waddell interview for the Windsor Star as the basis for his opinion piece.

The portions in big quotes aren't quotes from Holland, they are the portions that Malik has borrowed from Waddell's article. The quotes from Holland are in small quotations within the borrowed material.

At no point does he say we need X number of players, or what type of players we'd need. Just that he's open to exploring the trade market for the right players rights, that Joey MacDonald will be healthy next year, that he wants the team to be deeper and a little different and that he always feels pressure.

#2302545 The truth of our decline.

Posted by FlashyG on 22 May 2012 - 12:03 AM

Best prospects? Sorry but we just don't know if any will turn out. We have hope for Smith and Nyquist, but the rest are so far away you can't tell. Most have yet to play a single professional hockey game. We have 5 about to hit the prime of their careers, 3 of which will be UFA's next season.

Whether they all turn out doesn't matter. We have far more prospects in our system now than we have during our entire playoff streak.

Given our managements success rate of turning projects into NHL players there is no reason not to be excited about the future of the Wings. Our core is going to be around for 3-5 years at the minimum giving these kids plenty of time to develop.

#2302532 The truth of our decline.

Posted by FlashyG on 21 May 2012 - 09:51 PM

Crosby - hurt, out of shape.
Iginla - too old.
Stamkos - hurt, will have surgery off season, IIRC.
Keep searching.

Miller - in his current form is not an obvious improvement over Howard.
Kane and Kessel could've helped, I don't know their injury status.
Keep going, you still need 4 D 1.5 G and 4 F.

Crosby isn't hurt, and he was in good enough shape to play in the playoffs he's in good enough shape to play for Canada. He just doesn't want to because North American's don't care about the WHC.
Iginla isn't too old to play, the Russian team that won the championships had 5 players older or the same age as him on their roster.
Stamkos had an "irritated bursa sac" that he used as an excuse to not play at the tournament, if the Lightning had made the playoffs he'd still be playing without complaint.

Miller may not be better than Howard, but he'd give them a better 2nd option than Bachmann, and might have returned to the form he had at the Olympics.

#2302529 The truth of our decline.

Posted by FlashyG on 21 May 2012 - 09:42 PM

What "best veteran North Americans" didn't play that could have strengthened their teams? (Apart from the ones busy in the Stanley Cup playoffs or injured.)

Stamkos, Crosby, Giroux, Neal, Thornton, St. Louis, Staal, Hartnell, Iginla, Seguin, Lupul, Parenteau, Couture, Pietrangelo, Campbell, Weber, Boyle, Bieksa, Letang, Burns, Subban, Fleury, Luongo, or Price could have helped the Canadian team (some might have been injured but not all of them were)

For the US -
Kessel, Pominville, Kane, Wheeler, Cole, Pavelski, Backes, Oshie, Legwand, Stafford, Kesler, Malone, Foligno, Higgins, Umburger, Byfuglien, Suter, Shattenkirk, Carle, Leddy, Carlson, Gardiner, Bogosian, Thomas and Miller all could have helped.

I'm not sure why North American NHLers don't look at the WHC the same way their European counterparts do, but for whatever reason Canadian and American players don't seem to head overseas to represent their countries for the WHC. When every playoff round ends you seem to see European teams getting boosts to their rosters, but the North American's who get eliminated from the playoffs tend to stay home with a higher frequency.

Remember, Steve Yzerman was the GM of this team Canada, surely the players must realize that this may have been their last chance to audition for Sochi-2014? On paper, Canada and USA were "better" than Slovakia, Finland, or even Russia. Unfortunately for them, ice is more slippery than paper.

Steve Yzerman had absolutely nothing to do with Canada's team this year, it was picked and managed by the Oilers Kevin Lowe, and it also wasn't the last chance to audition for the Olympics, next years WHC championship and the next season and a half of NHL play will be the audition's for the NA teams. This WHC was fairly meaningless as far as Sochi is concerned unless you care about your ranking.

#2302485 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by FlashyG on 21 May 2012 - 04:03 PM

Trade Franzen and Filppula for Nash and sign Parise.

Why not let some other team burden themselves with Nash's bloated contract.

For just his 7.8 million dollar cap hit we can afford Franzen, Flip and a gritty 3rd or 4th liner.

Trading for him would weaken the Wings not make them stronger.

#2302101 The truth of our decline.

Posted by FlashyG on 18 May 2012 - 04:57 PM

Why isn't Filppula in your spreadsheet, and why is Cleary? Seems to me you handpicked the forwards that fit your agenda and left off the ones who didn't. (Parise/Hudler)

Flip could easily shoulder part of Datsyuk and Zetterberg's loads as they get older, as can guys like Nyquist or Parise if we are lucky enough to land him. Then you have a ton of prospects with potential and good depth guys who haven't been given a shot with the Wings yet, all of which can transition into the line-up in the same way D and Z did.

Also their names are Datsyuk, not Datsyk, and Fedorov not Federov.

#2301662 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by FlashyG on 16 May 2012 - 02:27 PM

So let me get this straight. You, some unkown poster on an opinion forum knows better than the Offical Red Wings site? Ok. Cool. Just wanted to be clear.

The Red Wings website is run by some unknown guy or girl just like us posters here...they make mistakes and probably don't update the site everytime someone's position gets changed. So yes in this instance it appears I and most people who pay attention to the team are correct about what position Zetterberg and Filppula play.

I am not moving any post whatsoever. Abby is a much better player than tatar all teh way around. he is bigger, faster, tougher, and if a true 3rd/4th line guy. tatar is not. Never will be. He is but one of many faceless organizational players that every team has. he has no trade value and he will never amount to anything at the next level. Doesn't mean he doesn't work or is a bad guy, it only means he isn't good enough.

You're the one who compared the 2 players, in their first full seasons with Grand Rapids Tatar put up more pts than Abby and has shown himself to be the better skater. At the WHC championships playing on a worse team Tatar has out performed Abby again. Bigger and tougher is good for the 4th line, but you don't need 2 checking lines. Tatar will bring much needed offence to the 3rd line when he gets his shot.

Please stop with the stupid "if you ever watched" comments. They just make you look silly. I have been watching the RW since before you were a gleem in your daddy's eye. I went to games at Olympia. Watched the Wings on PASS. The RW's are not something new to me. Heck I look back at the days when the RW were lucky to win 20 games per year. it hurts. Don't ever want to see it again.

You get comments like that because you are seemingly wrong about almost everything you post, and when shown evidence of your errors you continue to argue. Nobody cares how long you've been watching the Wings....You obviously haven't paying much attention or you wouldn't be spouting such ignorant opinions.

#2301650 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by FlashyG on 16 May 2012 - 12:46 PM


what does that link say? If I understand English correctly it says Zetterberg is a LW. he was a LW on Dat's line and he was the LW on Filppula's line. Granted he did take faceoffs. So what. He always has.

Just because the Red Wings website lists him as a Winger doesn't override the fact that he played center almost all season. If you watched the games you'd know this.

Good prospects don't Play in the AHL for 3 years. 1 (if that long) and done. BTW, just to compare, Abdelakter had 52 points in his only full season in GR. So from a numbers alone standpoint, Tatar is Abdelakader offensively but 3 inches shorter and 35 pounds lighter.

You keep trying to move the goal posts....I'm not saying he's going to be an elite player in the league, I think he'll be a good 3rd line player. He's developing better than Abdelkader has and Abby is already an NHL player. Sounds like you're already conceding he'll be more than a career minor leaguer.

Tatar, Emmerton, Muarsk, etc..... are all the same guy. yes they work hard. But just not enough of any one thing to set them apart from a dozen others. These are not really prospects. They are filler. Which yes in the day of a salary cap, you need. But none of these guys are the next stars of our team. We lack those in our youth. Nothing there but journeymen.

This is your problem right here, if they aren't the next Claude Giroux or Pavel Datsyuk they are all the same and they suck...nothing more than filler etc.
Not every draft pick is going to be a superstar, and you will never have a team full of them, these "journeymen" players are integral to every team in the league.

If you really think Tatar doesn't have any more offensive upside than Mursak or especially Emmerton then I don't know what to say other than...Don't ever go into scouting.

#2301516 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by FlashyG on 15 May 2012 - 02:56 PM

Yes, plays a full season and can't even get to 60 points in the minors. Everyone that has any talent gets called up, which is way he plays the whole season there. As for bulking up, there is nothing he can do that will make him 6-2/205 which is the norm in the NHL for 2012. Those are the league avergaes-rounded off of course. Tatar is a nothing prospect. We are full of guys like him, and yet can't make any trades. You think there is a relationship there? Nobody wants our "propsects" other the Smith who we better not trade. Speedy Euor forwards that are under 6ft and less than 200 pounds are a dime a dozen. Every team has them. Yes they can help your AHL team, but most are far to small to help at the NHL level.

If you pay so little attention to the Wings that you think Zetterberg played the wing this year, why should any of us take your opinion of our farm team any more seriously? From your assessment of prospects in the NHL the only ones that count are ones that will become an elite talent.

I'm not saying Tatar will be our future #1 left winger. I think he'll be a great 3rd line left winger, or a good 2nd line winger once he gets a little stronger and that he's more valuable to the franchise than either Emmerton or Mursak.

#2301074 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by FlashyG on 13 May 2012 - 07:33 PM

Exactly....only another year older and with a head coach even more frustrated with what he's given to work with.

The coach can hardly complain about Holmstrom since he's advocating bringing him back as well.

Personally I trust that Babcock and Holland know more about the players on their roster than any of us posting about them on the web.

As long as it doesn't prevent them from signing one of the big ticket FA's and it helps keep Lidstrom around another year I'm fine with Homer being brought back. I just don't want to see him on the first line anymore.

#2300789 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by FlashyG on 12 May 2012 - 12:02 AM

That is just laughable. Our top 6 forwards: datsyuk, Z, Franzen, Burt, Filppula, and Hudler had a grand total of 6 goals in 5 games. 6!!!!!! If that is the best those 6 are going to do we are screwed! Heck Hudler had 2 and Filppula had 2. So for the real big money guys: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Burt, and franzen it is even worse. Those 4 combined for 2 goals in 5 games. These are guys that should score about every 3rd game. In a 5 game series their career averages show they should have scored 8-10 goals as a group. This is why we lost. There is no debate about it.

Could we have used more goals from the top 6?...sure, but it isn't why we lost.
You need more than your top 2 lines to win a playoff series as Nashville showed us. They got over 50% of their scoring from their bottom 6
The Wings scored 248 goals this year

132 came from the top 6 for 53%.of their goals
the defence contributed 49 for 20%
the bottom 6 kicked in 67 for 27%

In the playoffs

The top 6 accounted for 67% of scoring
The defence 11%
and the bottom 6 contributed 22%

.Nashville's bottom 6 shredded our bottom 6 both offensively and defensively, also the scoring from our defence disappeared. That is the reason we lost the series.

#2300775 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by FlashyG on 11 May 2012 - 09:12 PM

I agree, and our top 2 lines didn't score. It is the why that there is discusion. Where they tired? They were not hurt, so why? yes we can disagree on the reasons. BTW.... Z, Franzen, and Filppula are scoring at the WC's. Datsyuk is not. True, it has only been 4 games. But the others are all better than a point per game. Datsyuk has 1 point in 4 games.

The top 2 lines accounted for 67% of our goals in the Nashville series. The bottom 6 and defence were why we lost that series.

#2300568 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by FlashyG on 10 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

But it isn't a strainght up question. Suter and Widmen have very similier numbers. Suter gets more pub becasue he is an american and is the son of a HOF. But if the question becomes do I sign wideman for5 million per year or Suter for 7.5 million per year, I take Wideman every time. Allows meto speed in other places and make the team deeper and better overall.

Easy there...I was actually agreeing with you.

This was the first timein years that Datsyk, Z and franzen were all healthy going intothe playoffs. yes helm was out. But D wasn't our problem. Scoring was. How does the 3rd line checking center being out hurt Z, datsyk, and Franzen? It didn't. All of which are permier scorers. 30+ goal per season guys. They didn't score, becassue they didn't have room. room is created by a big forward on their lines opening space for them. That is what didn't happen,and why we lost to a worse team in 5 games. But enough with the past. time to look towards 2012/2013.

Datsyuk....I know its a small issue, but he is our best forward, is it too much to ask to spell his name right.

As far as the playoff series goes, our top lines weren't the problem. We scored 9 goals total , 6 of them came from the top 6 , 2 came from the bottom 6 and 1 from the defence. Our 3rd line was -5 and provided no goals at all. With Helm in the line-up our 3rd and 4th lines get better, with Eaves in the lineup as well we don't need to use Datsyuk or Zetterberg as penalty killers and they are fresh to score more at even strength.

Don't underestimate the value of depth.