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#2574434 Is Jimmy Our Playoff Goalie?

Posted by wings_fanatic on 24 February 2015 - 05:37 PM

This is such a debatable issue and, for good reason. There are those who support Jimmy and simply cannot understand why fans hate on him so much and then, on the flip side, there seem to be those who want Jimmy gone. Me- I am kind of in between. In the 2013 playoffs there is no doubt that Jimmy was a big reason for the Wings success. I mean we nearly made it to the conference finals. Jimmy has the ability to steal us games, see Chicago for instance. There is no doubt he is a good goalie. But what separates him from guys like Lunquivst, like it or not, is that he doesn't win the games that matter. 


He has been our starter in the playoffs since 2010. Since then we have not made it past the 2nd round. Lets look at the playoffs since 2010:


2010: Lost in the 2nd round to the Sharks in 5 games. If memory serves me correctly, we were dominating game 3 of this series until Jimmy let it an awful goal by Heatly and we ended up losing that game and ultimately the series In that series, he let in quite a few soft goals.


2011: Lost in the 2nd round to the Sharks in 7 games. Jimmy was significantly better in these playoffs and cannot be faulted for losing this series We simply did not have enough guys going.


2012: 1st round loss to Nashville in 5 games. Embarssing series by the entire team. Unfortunate that this was Nick Lidstrom's last season. Jimmy was not very good as with the rest of the team.


Note for these 3 seasons, JImmy had excellent Dmen and still never got past the second round, like it or not he didn't.


2013: 2nd round loss to the Hawks in 7 games. Great playoffs by Jimmy.


2014: 1st round loss to Boston in 5 games. Jimmy did not play much, but was good in game 1 but was not good in game 2.




Now it is hard to assess on Jimmy in last year's playoffs but I can say I felt much more confident with Gus in net. As I said, I don't dislike Jimmy. He is a good goalie- not great. He is a team player, he never complains and is not afraid to get rough. All good qualities. BUT, he has never gotten us past the 2nd round in 4 years like it or not. Now I am not saying we need to get rid of him. But what I am saying is that I think this is going to be an important playoffs for him. Not necessarily whether we win the Cup or not but if he gives up bad goals at bad times, then I think the team might look at changes down the road. I am not basing this off of his last couple games because he just came back from injury and we all know he is far better than that. Realistically, however, this is a very important playoffs for Jimmy Howard in my opinion. 

#2572533 Preferred Playoff Opponents?

Posted by F.Michael on 19 February 2015 - 07:05 PM

No thanks on the caps. Aside from having one guy who can win a game all by himself, Barry Trotz is Mike Babcocks kryptonite

Babs needs to punch Trotz in the throat.....Oh wait...

#2568595 2015 Draft

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 February 2015 - 06:04 PM

dirtydangles, despite not being as well established yet, they are still some of our top prospects. Between Sheahan, Larkin and Athanasiou, they will have no problem filling the top 2 center spots in the future. It doesn't matter how old these guys are or when they were drafted, the top prospects for any team are the ones that have the highest potential, not "biggest bust potential"... My "untouchable" list (may be different from yours) consists of 4 "can't miss" forwards (Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Pulkkinen), a defenseman (Sproul) and a goaltender (Mrazek). Again, on top of that we already have, Sheahan, Nyquist, Tatar and Jurco up front, while we only have DeKeyser and Smith on the back end... That's eight potential top 6 forwards and only three top 4 defensemen...


Yeah I still think you are reaching on the AA prediction. I don't see him becoming a top 6 NHL C. He could be a 3C or MAYBE 2C but more likely pans out as a 2/3 winger in the NHL.


I really only see Larkin and Sheahan as future top 6 C's and neither likely becomes a legit top line C like a Z or Dats. How many teams have won the cup without a premier 1C recently? None - you could argue Boston doesn't have one but they are a different beast. The only way to get a 1C is through the draft and getting lucky. I truly think we need to add one more legit C prospect to the pool to feel comfortable going forward. This is the draft to do it with how deep it is at the C position.


Either way, I don't think I will convince you and you won't change my mind - and thats okay - because at the end of the day you and I aren't the ones making the pick on draft day lol.  

Of our 24 forward prospects at least half play or have played C in their careers. We are fine up the middle.
















I believe Nastasiuk and Campbell have played some C too, but I'm not positive.

I don't think any of those guys except for Larkin ends up a top 6 C at the NHL level. Its an impressive list nonetheless.

#2568620 So, Evander Kane...

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 05 February 2015 - 08:15 PM

I still think its awesome he knocked out matt Cooke.
I never wanted him on our team though
I still want byfuglien, he can throw tats clothes in the shower, for some reason I feel like tats would just walk out nekked though.

#2568491 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 12:42 PM

He reminds me of a james wizniewski ... I recall a lot of people wanted him and he ended up going to Columbus for around 5 per for 5 years? He's not worth the contract and neither will franson , and he will end up on a team that will overpay and a team that has a hard time attracting free agents



James Wisniewski isn't worth his contract?  He's a top four offensive defenseman and powerplay quarterback.  Since he's been with Columbus he's scored 115 points in 199 games.  He also averages over 20 minutes a night.  He's been top ten in defense scoring twice in the four years he's been there, and has contributed 14 powerplay goals and 47 powerplay points since then. 


What would he need to do to be worth his contract if he's not doing it already?  Learn to fly?  Do the team's taxes as well?

#2567232 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 30 January 2015 - 09:06 PM

The mindset around here is that Doan is their Yzerman, which makes me :lol:

But that's how they feel. Immediate jersey retirement, job in the front office, etc. whatever.

I would salivate over OEL in a Wings jersey though. Kid's the real deal.

#2566517 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by Jersey Wing on 27 January 2015 - 10:21 PM




#2566157 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 January 2015 - 02:25 PM

What is this fixation in pointing out that so and so didn't play in Europe so it's not the same situation?... The point is that every player develops at a different pace, some much later than others. To go along with the generalization that you're using in saying that he won't make it because so and so didn't make it taking the same route, you're now saying that European's in general don't want to play third pairing minutes in the NHL, and that they would rather be the go to guy in Europe?... Come on man, that's ridiculous. Who's to say that it wasn't Patrik Hersley's lifelong goal to one day play in the NHL? I'm not saying it was, but for you to say it wasn't, is way off base.


You're reaching here, and for what? Again, no one here is saying "We Need To Sign This Guy", "He Is For Sure The Real Deal". People (myself anyway) are just saying that it wouldn't be the worst idea to give him a look in the offseason. Really, what's the harm in inviting him to training camp and if he impresses, and he's willing, signing him to a two-way contract? None...

#2566118 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 January 2015 - 09:00 AM

I don't get why it's so hard to grasp the fact that every player develops at different rates. Some hone their skills at a very young age, others take a little longer to develop. Their are a lot of cases over the years where players didn't play their first game in the NHL until their late 20's, even into their mid to late 30's, believe it or not. number9, you pointed out that St. Louis didn't start his career until his mid 20's, and yet as an undersized player that was always told he was too small to make the NHL, he went on to be an All-Star, Hart winning player, who in all likelihood will be inducted into the Hockey Hall Of Fame. Is it really that hard to believe that a player who is 28 years old, has good size, is one of the top defenders in arguably the second best league in hockey, can be a serviceable player at the NHL level? I don't think anyone including Ekmanc was saying that he is going to come over and put up ridiculous numbers, making Wings fans say "Lidstrom who?", but it is possible he could become a decent 3rd pairing, power-play specialist.


In saying all that, I wouldn't mind giving him an invite to training camp this summer, but I wouldn't just hand him a contract based on his numbers over in Europe (KHL / SHL). We have a few talented guys that should make their way onto the big club in the next couple years, so I don't really see a fit, but it never hurts to give the guy a look.

#2566085 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by frankgrimes on 26 January 2015 - 07:05 PM

Well I don't know anything about that guy - read his name for the first time here - so thank you Ekmanc for the information. If he doesn't cost  anything other than € I'm all for trying it if it doesn't work send him down to the AHL.

#2566001 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by kipwinger on 26 January 2015 - 09:18 AM


So you're saying you can't cite any players who left the league and then came back to be successful in it? Only players who bloomed late? Is that what I'm hearing???


Is the question, "name players who have played in North America, gone back to Europe, and then returned to North America to have some success?"


Jori Lehtera?

Jiri Hudler?

Mark Streit?

Leo Komarov?

Brian Rafalski?

Johnny Oduya?

Radim Vrbata?

Anton Babchuk?

Robert Lang?

Mark Giordano?

Jiri Sekac?

#2565301 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by roboturner on 20 January 2015 - 10:36 PM

In my original post I blamed mostly Ericsson and Mrazek and a tiny bit on Smith for being incredibly Passive. How you turn that into me not blaming Ericsson at all and putting it all on Smith is quite incredible... or maybe just massively disingenous?

I guess it shouldn't really be a surprise around here anymore when people dishonestly twist other people's words around

#2565298 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by roboturner on 20 January 2015 - 10:34 PM


I love the part where he layed out everything you missed, and you had nothing in response other than this. U mad bro?

Really? cuz I've been getting a few "U mad bro" comments my direction lately after posting lengthy arguments. So I guess those comments just people's way of saying they don't have an argument in return.

#2564652 1/18 GDT : Sabres 4 at Red Wings 6 (Z w/Hat Trick)

Posted by kickazz on 18 January 2015 - 10:37 PM

The only person I would pick MAYBE as a captain over Zetterberg is Jonathan Toews. But even that is a stretch. Z is a workhorse and get its done even with a subpar roster. Toews' got a good roster to shine with. Plus Z is more committed to our home city than 99% of the NHL players are to their cities. Shouldn't even be a discussion really.

#2564517 1/18 GDT : Sabres 4 at Red Wings 6 (Z w/Hat Trick)

Posted by Euro_Twins on 18 January 2015 - 10:05 PM

Those Damn lazy swedes