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#2530374 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

My OPINION is that currently Smith is better at his position than Tatar, that Smith has a higher ceiling than Tatar, and that Smith brings more of what we need on this team than Tatar...


Based on what?  What has he accomplished that is anything like a rookie forward coming in and scoring 39 points? I don't expect Smith to have THE SAME accomplishments, that's dumb.  But if he was as good, I'd expect him to have EQUIVALENT accomplishments, which he doesn't. 


Also, what does he bring that we need?  He's an offensive defenseman who doesn't play defense and doesn't score many points.  He had fewer hits than any defenseman other than Kindl, and he doesn't play special teams. 


You keep saying that he brings so much, or that he's better than Tatar.  Tell me what he did and what he brings to the team. 


I'm dying to know. 

#2530024 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by LeftWinger on 04 July 2014 - 07:27 PM

he will not trade for anyone. Considering he won't part with kids, or Helm, Franzen, Smith or Kindl...He talks a big game and lets everyone down... Heck Leisure Suit Larry has made better moves than #firekenholland...and has scored!

#2530009 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by number9 on 04 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

My argument is look at out lack of center depth and question marks...legwand on a one or two year deal would've been good.

Whereas defense where our question marks elite defense? Quincey isn't. Right handed defenseman? Quincey isn't. Depth defenseman? Quincey is but well would you rather have Quincey or marchenko? Or sproul? Or oullete? Etc etc

At center right now we got dat Weiss Sheahan and helm. Helm and dat have some injury issues. Weiss is the biggest question mark in this team. Can he stay healthy? If so, can he be a number two center again?

After those four we got z and glen. Z also has injury issues and is better to be at wing and glen is a fourth liner. Anderson is also a fourth liner.

The reason why legwand makes the most sense of any of our UFAs is because he is a cheaper insurance policy for injuries which WILL happen and for if Weiss can't live up to his contract. If they do....then put legwand at wing hell he had 50+ points.

So yes comparing legwand to Quincey in terms of ho is a bigger need an cost is quite easy...if you think.

We have Dats, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, and Glendening

Zetterberg is also elite at C if we need him, and Franzen is a capable C as a last resort (don't turn this into an I hate Franzen thread)

Ur crazy to think we need more Cs, it's one of our deepest, if not the deepest, positions we have.

#2530004 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by MileHighWingsGuy on 04 July 2014 - 05:15 PM

Holland trading for Defense this year will be just like last years Holland trading to get rid of the glut of forwards...it just never happens. Holland washed his hands of free

agency when he re-signed Quincey. It was his way of saying there we're set. Every year whether at the trade deadline or free agency we wait for a big move and it just never comes.

I hope no one is waiting this year, it won't happen until we get a new GM.

#2529940 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 04 July 2014 - 08:24 AM

I still think it would be best for Mantha' long term future if he learned to become a pro in GR - even if for only half a season, just to get himself adjusted to playing against bigger, stronger competition. The Wings don't lose here. If he tears up the AHL in the first half of the season, then it's more experience for him and it'll show he's ready for the next  level, without having to shove him in at the deep end with the possibility of stunting his development. 


If he struggles, they can leave him there for longer to adapt and find his game. It's win-win IMO. For the record, it would be awesome to see Mantha start the year with the wings, but I think being in GR, even for a few months, would be beneficial.

#2529344 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by frankgrimes on 02 July 2014 - 08:42 AM

This really makes Holland seem like a panicking idiot with no plan.


I would looooooove to hear Babcock's thoughts on this situation.


Imagine the sound of his voice when he ripped the team another one during one 24/7 special and than multiply it 2 times and add some glass shattering...that might come close to what he is really thinking right now.

#2529149 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 01 July 2014 - 08:45 PM

And Helene and Khan and Pleiness and all you other know-nothing hackjobs...go to hell. Especially Helene. That you have a paying job while people are starving and dying on the streets makes me want to punch you in the face with a monster truck.


Why? St. James said days ago that Niskanen wouldn't sign with Detroit.


Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 6h

. I wrote that last week. More $$ & term elsewhere. / “@nikzomberg: @HeleneStJames word is Wings are out on Niskanen, any validity to that?”

#2529112 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by unsaddleddonald on 01 July 2014 - 08:17 PM

Damn you Kenny Holland...you offered better contracts but didn't do some kind of voodoo s*** to get guys to come here....seriously, WTF do you want Holland to do?   He made better or equal offers and lost players to teams that are no better or worse than we are. 


What exactly should he do? 


.....are you serious?


He should not sign a 3rd pairing defensive defenseman to a dollar figure higher than Christian Ehrhoff....

#2528661 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by arag on 01 July 2014 - 04:20 PM

I think all the Red Wings fans deserve an official apology for the past 5 years.

#2528450 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 03:01 PM

I can't wait for Holland's interview... :confused:


I can't wait to chase him with a pitchfork and a torch.

#2527968 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 01 July 2014 - 12:33 PM

Adam Proteau @Proteautype 3m

The NHL really should rename the first day of agency "An Afternoon Of High Comedy And Instant Regret".

#2527888 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 01 July 2014 - 12:12 PM

Honestly, everybody should live in NYC for two years. It's a cool place as long as you don't stay too long.

I've lived here for 10.  (Specifically in Brooklyn) It's definitely losing it's shine.  :D

#2527535 UFA day looking up

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 01 July 2014 - 08:26 AM

My impression is that Kenny understands the situation. We need a big name, and he's willing to go balls out for one, even if that means a trade. Stralman, Gilbert, et al. = Quincey II in his book, and he doesn't really want Quincey II. He wants a real difference-maker. And even if he doesn't, I've gotta think Babcock does.

I disagree on Stralman. Unlike Quincey he can actually play defense.

#2526967 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by fat guy in a maltby jersey on 29 June 2014 - 03:04 PM

I don't see Ehrhoff as a significant upgrade over Smith, Dekeyser, or Ericsson.


those 3 haver career highs of 19, 23, and 15 points.


but yeah, who needs a defensman who has put up 50 points, can run an effective PP and log lots of tough minutes, right?


are you for real?


i mean really?

#2526784 Dylan Larkin - Highest draft pick since 1991

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 01:01 AM

Want to elaborate on that kip? Or link the interview.

Babcock seems to hold Red in high esteem at least


Here's the article.  It's part of a larger article about Johnson.  Feel free to dig into it more at your own leisure.