Wow talk about a 180 turnaround, Laviolette is the exact opposite of Trotz system. Nothing against your Preds but I don't think they have the personal to play his style also really bad for Rinne's stats.
Hull was pre-cap. And he was a complimentary player. Back then you could pay a 4th line winger 5M and only have to answer to Mr. Illitch. Remember the year that Detroit was paying something like 12M on goalies alone (with Cujo + Hasek + Legace)?
Today, if you're going to tie 1/8 of your team's salary to just one player, he better have at least some sort of pulse when he's on the "other" side of center ice. I don't care how many goals he can score.
Pre-cap? Give me Ovechkin any day of the week. Hell, I'll take two.
Ideally, I'd like to see the Wings add 2 big guys with speed and toughness to fill the 1st and 2nd line holes. But maybe they can slide a couple bigger dmen up since there seems to be a log jam on the blue line.
Hi people. Just found this place while searching for Red Wings draft needs and considerations. Wow. Seems like a lot of people know what to do!! I think the main hole they need to fill is top line sniper. I wonder if Ovechkin talks are out of the question???
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F Michael and Bama I sorta disagree with u. I think Holland has tried to draft a new core over the last years... Going after guys like Goose, Tatar, Pulkinen, Almqvist, ironhook, Etc. But once he got those guys he started peppering in size and grit more and more. AKA Bodin, Hudon, Callahan, McKee, Glendening, Mcnulty, Bertuzzi, Wheaton, etc. Sheehan and Jurco are bit gritty and big themselves as well. Holland knows these future Grindy types will compliment his up and coming core.
Of course we will always favor soft euros, it's where our best scouts are, but holland isn't dumb. He's not taking them only and he's taking them less now that he has a lot of them.
Agreed guys. Holland used to talk about needing 1 big forward per line. That was why he brought Bert back the second time. he knew what was needed, and that was while we were still a team in the west. Now in the more rugged east it might be 2 big F's per line. Yes he has started drafting bigger F's the past few years, but most of them have been Euro's: Tvardon, nestrasil, Jurco, etc..... Last year he finally grabbed mantha-more sniper than gritty and nastasiuk who is fairly gritty. But those guys are still down the road a bit.
Ok, completely ignore every large or gritty player He's drafted. He's done a lot more than draft those 5 in the grit and size department
Hossa was offered the deal first, he rejected his, Franzen was offered a similar (but less financially lucrative) deal and accepted immediately. Is Hossa the better player? Clearly yes, but he was option #1 and he wanted to see if he could get more money. Franzen was the back-up option.
This. This. This. This. This.
A tousand times over. I'm actually blown away that this never gets talked about more.
I think it's easy to look at this season, perhaps the last two or so, and feel as if Kenny dropped the ball. Personally, I hate all the vet signing he's made. I think the Quincey trade was a big mistake. I feel as if he should listen to Babcock about certain aspects of this team (there seems to be some definite friction). I think he should have trusted the kids a bit more. If Jarnkrok stays in North America, I'm sour about that trade as well. It's easy to be upset with Kenny right now.
On the flip side, it's hard to argue against the drafting this team has done since 2008 - Kenny hanging onto all those picks has paid off. The team couldn't lure Parise-Suter over, but I don't think the blame can solely lie on Kenny shoulder's for that. It's a combination of destination, coaching and desired teammates. Maybe the team overestimate the allure of playing here, and they're realizing now that they're going to have to overpay to land a big name. That's reality now.
I think this team is in a good position to make some real changes. They've got cap space, some reliable older players and a cupboard full of prospects knocking on the door. Now if in the next 2-3 seasons he pushes this youth movement, makes a trade and can sign a big free agent or two, he redeems himself in my eyes. We have several assets - prospects can be flipped and some picks can be moved for legitimate players. Kenny has cards to play with now, and I'd like to see him actually play. Dropping the ball here would definitely sway me to the, "Good-Bye Kenny" side, but I'd also like to see what he does in this (favorable) situation.
This last part is spot on, and basically how I feel. Well said.
Don't try to call someone out when you don't even know that BOWMAN WAS A COACH!
Also, don't put down Bowman. All he ever does is win.
Of course I know Bowman was af****** coach.
I assumed, since you were evaluating Holland as a GM, that you were comparing him to Bowman when he had assumed brief GM duties (or player personal or whatever vague position he had along with being the coach) with the Wings back in the 90s.
As it turns out, you were comparing Holland the GM to Bowman the coach? Is that what you were doing? Why? Why would you do that?
And also, it is true that the Illitches had to intervene when Bowman (who was acting as GM) had all but traded Yzerman for Yashin back in 1994 or 1995. That would have probably meant ZERO cups for us over the last 20 years. So yeah, don't tell me what to do. I'll put Bowman down if I want. He's not infallible.
How about you not put down Holland? How do you like that for an order?
Dang. Why so acrimonious man? Everything alright at home?
And probably right out of Kenny's price range as well. Not that we couldn't afford it mind you...
Because I'm getting tired of logging on the LGWings and seeing people's negative opinions over and over and over. To the point where we're now making assumptions on Holland's mental and emotional disposition?
And I like coming here. So I don't plan on stopping. And I ignore lots of posts, but sometimes I just can't.
After 24 games last season, while we were a healthy Red Wings team, we were a whooping 12-14...It's more than injuries that are slowing us down from winning a Cup...
First off...how can a team have a record longer than games played?
If we arbitrarily change it to include October and November (27 games) it becomes:
13-10-4, where OT losses count as real losses, and the third column is only shootout losses.
That's a Wings team where Bertuzzi and Cleary were in the lineup, Tatar had limited minutes, Nyquist hadn't been called up, and Weiss was playing injured and Alfredsson was learning a new system. Oh, and Franzen was having whatever secretive issues plagued him. We were hardly healthy, just not as injured as we would become. I separated the shootouts because those can't really indicate the success or failure of a team. It's more like pure dumb luck on a given night for an individual player.
In other words, the Wings got points in 20 games of 27. That's pretty remarkable considering all the dead weight on the team. If we look at a record as showing games where points were earned they were 20-7 in the first two months. Consider that any of those games could've been victories with a lucky bounce here and there.
Now we have the kid line and Nyquist. Smith is coming on and hopefully won't pull a Kindl, Zetterberg will be healthier than he's been in years, it's really not as bleak, at least for the regular season. We still have to change as a team to be built for a playoff run, but I'm not worried about the regular season, even if we iced the same team we did this year (God forbid).
Most overused term in hockey "good puck moving defensemen."
What the Wings need before we start camp: 2 smart puck moving defensemen.
We had SOOOOOOO many horrible first passes by our defensemen that caused an equal amout of turnovers in the neutral zone that I literally lost count most games. Opposing teams knew this and pressured our defense and created millions of these turnovers. (See Quincey, Kindl, Lashoff and Smith) On the flip side, their inability to make that 1st pass in an accurate manner cut in half our scoring chances most nights.
Consider that last point. If you can increase 5-10 more scoring chances, you essentially add an extra goal every other game. That's 41 more goals a season.
This is why I don't think we need another forward. We just need TWO good puck moving defensemen.
Mike Babcocks style of hockey is 100% dependent on defensemen that can move the puck, make great 1st passes and even join in the scoring by having an above average shot. Smith Big E and Kronwal meet this criteria ( I know Smith is frustrating to most of you but he is still very young) but none of our other defensemen even come close to Babcock's brand of Hockey.
All that said, I don't think Holland sees it this way and will most likely only pick up one average defensemen instead of trading for two top 4 types.
I don't really care if Sproul and Oulett are 21 and 20...if they can play at the NHL level, they should be here...if they need more time in GR, that's fine, but if Babcock and his staff think they're a better option than Kindl and Lashoff, bring them up and roll them out there. I think Marchenko..assuming his ankle is 100% is absolutely ready now and I would rather bring him up than overpay to keep Quincy..which given the thin FA market for Dmen is something we'd likely have to do.
BTW..I'm not a Quincey hater, I think he's been a decent 2nd/3rd pairing guy for much of his time here. I don't think the trade that brought him here was a bad one, yeah we gave up a number one for him, but we got a couple of years of play from a top 6 Dman . That's not a bad return. I just don't think Quincey is worth the $5 mil or so someone else will throw at him.