So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.
Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.
Umm franzen played in 28 games less and had 10 points less. That seems to me like franzen was the better ppg player no matter what way you slice it.
Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....
Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.
Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.
Since you mentioned ppg over the last three years. Over the last three years franzen has averaged .75 ppg. Yes he is streaky, we all know that. But there is no denying the production. Sure you can say he hasn't showed up in the playoffs, which is true, and he is "lazy" but his +/- would disagree with you as would just about every defensive status available. He may look disinterested and laid back, but what I see is a player babs has transformed to play defense first. His production is as high as it's ever been, and his defensive game is much better than everyone gives him credit for.
Whoa Whoa Whoa, don't everybody go blaming Holland here. Babs was the one who wanted him back. Babs was the reason he left money on the table in Philly. And Babs was the reason he got a commitment beyond last year from the Wings. If Holland had his say Dan Cleary would be entering the second year of his three year contract with the Flyers right now.
All that's saying I'd that alfies bonuses were deferred to next seasons cap, which we already knew was going to happen. We're not being punished like you said. We still have money to spend this off season and it doesn't put us into "cap trouble"
Holland: Hello? Mr. I? Ya, I did what you said and signed Tomas Nosek...ya...Nosek...Tomas. That guy you told me to sign. Yes, him...what? Tomas Nosek. Excuse me? Who? Vanek? Shoot! Darn! Darn! Darn! Sorry Sir...
Mr. I: You f***ing idiot...(click)
I'd probably rather have nosek and his minuscule contract, instead of ghost vanek and his large cap