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Brunner's early season numbers are easily attributed to playing during the lockout, as were Hank's. No surprise they've cooled off at the same time as the rest of the league has finally caught up speed and conditioning wise. I think Brunner on the 3rd line will do him well, he'll see lesser defensive pairings and will probably get more space to do things. I happen to think Babcock's line shuffling Saturday worked wonders, the team seemed to feed off it. Not really worried about him at all, he's an everyday player who is experiencing his first dose of NHL reality. He'll get back to scoring soon.

I will just point out this, and leave it here.

Datsyuk rookie year 

2001-2002 70gp 11g 24a 35p

Zetterberg rookie year

2002-2003 79gp 22g 22a 44p

Brunner

2013 29gp 10g 10a 20p

he is on a much better pace then Dats or Z were in their first years, also he has 1 goal less then dats did in 70 games in his rookie season, I am the least bit worried

I like Helm as much as the next person, but it isn't like we're getting Pavel Dastyuk back in the lineup or Lidstrom decided to unretire.  He's good at his role, which is a bottom six forward, but acting like he's the key to entire season seems a bit overblown to me.  If he is, not saying much about our top 6.

You don't realize what helm TRULY brings to this team, aside from being the best 3rd line center in the nhl, he brings a lot of energy and heart every shift, every game. Every line literally plays better when he is in the lineup, he just causes everyone else to play better. Ever noticed how deflated we became against trashville when Helm got injured in the playoffs in his first game back, ya I believe that we lost the series as soon as Helm fell on that skate.

will andersson become a scratch? 

more likely Emmerton will

Why I suggested Kronwall was IF the Wings looked like they would not make the playoffs come deadline day and a big return could be had for him. Maybe in a package with Mule?  It's funny how some on here are screaming about a rebuild or a big trade but never want to give anything up in return.  

We are currently sitting in 5th in the conference, I would rather trade prospects and picks then one of the best dmen in the league (believe it or not) He is second among dmen in scoring, He has been a +6 since his awful start, and he is really figuring out his role since #5 left. This was known to be a TRANSISTION season, not a rebuild, we are bring younger, bigger, faster guys up. We all knew that we wouldn't be the top team in the league, let them make their mistakes it is the only way to learn, there is no need to to hit the panic button every time we get scored on, or lose a game. 

It is but I can pretty much guarantee that if Pavs does head back to Russia at the end of next season & the Wings get nothing in return, the board with erupt with calls for Kenny's job.  OK, actually that's a daily occurance anyways.  I will say though that even if Pavs leaving is a lock & Kenny already knows it, I would be shocked given the history of making decisions based on sentimentality in the Wings organization if a trade were to actually happen.

I would rather have that last year and a half with Datsyuk then ship him off for a few picks and some prospects. I wouldn't even want Perry in return for him, I want Datsyuk to only play for the wings, cause I am just that selfish. If we aren't a cup contender with Datsyuk, we won't be with perry either, so if we have to rebuild anyways I want to at least see Datsyuk in the winged wheel for another year, I would cry if he was on another nhl team

Filp played really good last night, especially for not playing for 7 games. He did get an assist on one of the Flames goals though, just randomly dishing it to mid ice within our zone... But, it honestly looked the best he's been in awhile, atleast in my opinion. Is he worth 5+mil/season? Eh, not so much, especially when he knows the cap is going down. What I don't get is all these players want all this money, but if you wanted your team to win.. you'd be willing to take a lower paycheck inorder to bring in more talent. Look at frickin Crosby who took a discount. I'm sorry, but if the best player in the world is willing to take a discount for their team, you better be frickin willing to take a discount for yours, because you sure as hell ain't no Crosby.

Crosby? He is making 12 mil a year for the next three years, I'm sure the "discount" he is taking is hurting his wallet oh so much...

2006:  Edmonton gets to the finals as a #8 seed.

2010:  #7 and #8 Philly/Montreal made the ECF.

2012:  #8 (underacheiving) LA wins the cup by BOWLING through seeds 1, 2, and 3.  

 

 

What if fans stopped believing?

 

History will be made.

this gave me chills

you should throw in: what if the wings had traded Yzerman in 1995...

Unbelievable how undervalued Suter has become, since he decided not to wear the Winged-Wheel. I mean, to each their own but I'd easily trade Kronwall for Suter (an elite player), which Kronwall is not. Having a real top pairing also makes it easier for the forwards to score. As good as Hank and Pavel are, they can't do everything so you need a guy moving the puck out of the zone, to create those highlight reel opportunities, the Wings don't have anyone capable of doing so, sad but true.

 

This team is not a true number one defenseman away from winning the cup, they are a true number one defenseman, a shutdown guy AND a top winger away from being in the contention again.

 

For better or worse being sellers at the trade-deadline might be exactly what the doctor ordered, get another first round pick and a draft a shuttdown guy + ´puck moving defenseman. I agree with people saying, that as Wings fans most of us aren't used to wait and see but I'd rather see a young and coming team then trying to make the playoffs at all costs and getting bounced easily in the first round again.

It's not that he has become undervalued BECAUSE he decided not to be a wing, it's that he is not playing nearly like a 7.8 million dollar defenceman. Have you actually watched the games with Minnesota? I have watched quite a few, and he just doesn't strike me as "elite" now that he doesn't have Weber anymore. I would not trade Kronner for a 5 million dollar/year defenceman at a 7.8 million cap hit. Kronwall does what he is paid to do, and is worth his contract, Minnesota can have Suter. 

Do you think LGW fans would just "undervalue" him because he didn't want to be a wing? No they choose to overvalue and talk about how bad a decision it was for years, look at Hossa if you don't believe me, 4 years later and everyone is still pissed about that. Suter obviously has to be playing poorly enough that wings fans are now happy we didn't get him. Hell even Minnesota fans aren't liking him.

I don't get this Cleary hate. the guy is a tiger along the boards and one of the hardest working Wings players, absolutely invaluable on forecheck. he's like total opposite of Franzen: few points but huge game without the puck. 

He only seems that way cause he is using the boards and the players to hold himself up from falling

Brown over his last 66 games (2 seasons): 6 pts, 153 hits
Cleary last years 75 games: 33 pts, 90 hits
Abby last years 81 games: 22 pts, 148 hits
Miller: last years 80 games: 25 pts, 79 hits

Abby looks identical minus the fighting. Cleary is a great secondary scorer with half the hits. Miller had only 79 hits but he more than quadrupedal Brown's scoring.

Cleary can PK, PP, skate, add work ethic, and a little scoring (thought he's been slow to start this year)
Abby can PK, hit, and skate
Miller, can PK and skate

just to say all 3 can PK effectively is worth a 7th rounder to someone out there IMO

I'll say I would never have asked a 4th rounder for brown though. great fighter, but that's overpriced

cleary can skate?

Let's go wings, 2 for 1 special, SJS don't make it in and we take 4th seed

Is Nyquist really that much better than Tatar defensively?

yes

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As bummed as I am that Tots got sent down, Flip-Z-Brunns and Mule-Pav-Gus is a MUCH more palatable top 6...

Aww, I'm gonna miss that line of cleary-datsyuk-abby...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Damien Brunner ($3.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Patric Hornqvist ($3.500m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Riley Sheahan ($0.900m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($1.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($1.050m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Kent Huskins ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($4.500m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m)
Buyout: Todd Bertuzzi ($0.000m)
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Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.025m—1.0%)
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The other move I would try to do is to flip Quincey for a cheaper RH shooting Dman. Weber with the Habs comes to mind. Fayne with the devils is another.

 

after the 2013/14 season, we only have a couple of UFA's: datsyuk, Ericsson, eaves, and maybe Gus? Most of which we can fill internally.

So is Hornqvist atm. Both will be back soon. The BJ's are rumored to be trying to dump all their big salaries. Dubinsky, Umberger, etc.... are all rumored to be on the block.

That is great, now how do you propose we get all 4 of them, let alone keep them in our lineup at the end of this year/next year when their contracts are up and demand raises?

LOL @ Babcock and Holland.

f*** you guys, seriously. I hope they are both fired before the next season starts. Incompetent fools.

Yes, fire the man who managed to keep us playoff contenders when kenny was unable to secure a top pairing dman, or a power forward... I don't like the cleary-pasha-abby line, but you have to admit babs has done a good job coaching our young roster