I did mention Stamkos as better, Tavares is not there yet but very close true. Z and D are superstars but not Toews, Stamkos or Crosby like superstars.
Giving 1,5 per as a discount and taking 10,5 per is not selfish, unclassy it's asking for a fair value and it's not Toews fault that contracts are capped at 8 years.
They asked for $12 each, and I don't think they are worth more than $9. They have a higher cap hit than Crosby and ovechkin and every other player in the league. They are not the best players in the league and will never put up Crosby or ovechkin (when he signed his deal) numbers. Kane and Toews are good, but they'll never get over 100 points, they are maybe on the same level as Datsyuk and Zetterberg and I wouldn't consider those two the best in the league. They also get paid what they are worth so what do I know right?
I don't think this is going to handcuff the Blackhawks longterm. Was Kane worth 10,5 for 8 years ? No but everyone knows Buffalo would have thrown the bank at him so goes for Winnipeg and Toews. Toews is easily worth that much, other than Crosby and Stamkos nobody is better than him not even Kopitar and I really love that guy (hardworking physical presence everytime he's on the ice).
These two are the cornerstones of the Blackhawks and the funny thing is, some people (Blackhawks forum) still don't understand the differense between pre and post lockout caphits . Both haven given discounts of 1,5 mill per that's a lot of money almost 4 liner...
I think Malkin, Tavares, Stamkos, Datsyuk and Zetterberg are all better. Neither Kane or Toews is even a ppg player. The fact that they were asking $12 million/year is selfish and un classy and I hope it really handcuffs them going forward
We have had serious injury issues for three season now. Yes getting rid of Bert and Sammy will help. But the others are still here. Do I expect D and Z to play more games this season? yes i do. But that alone will not make a dramatic improvement in our team. Even when healthy we are not a great team, we are average at best. Plus the more they play the less others will play. The minutes have to come from somewhere.
As for the cap, the best guess is on cap geek. per cap geek we have 6.5 million left in cap today BEFORE resigning Tatar and Dekeyser. Resigning those 2 will eat up another 3.5-4 million. That will leave us around 3 million heading into the fall, baring any other moves. If/when Alfie and Cleary are resigned, most of that will be gone. You have to keep in mind we are 3 million short in cap space this year because of bonuses paid for last season-most of which goes to Alfie. So yes my original statement stands: roster is full and we are out of cap space. Could moves be made to change that? Yes. Will any happen? Doubtful.
Its been a 3 year issue, which of course you know. same cast of players is not going to fix that problem. make all the excuses you want, but we will have 250+ man games lost by the end of the 2014/15 season.
Actually with the bonuses factored in (which capgeek already does) we have just over $10mil in cap space. So no were not up against the cap
Soooo you're agreeing with me? I can't tell. I was arguing that Green would put up 55 points. aka be successful in our system.
yes, I was agreeing with you, and just adding to what you were saying. Apparantly if a dman doesn't put up 60+ points he isn't very good according to some people...
and to those that want to reiterate, yes he isn't great defensively, but why should he have to be, like i said if he isn't spending much time in his own end, there's no need to worry about being amazing in his own end, that's what dekeyser/ericssonis for
Kronwall hit 49 this past season. I dont think 55 for Mike Green is out of the question considering his skillset.
Ya, and babs wants an offensive rh defenseman, he's been quoted saying so several times. We played more defensively because we have no choice. Our dmen can't move the puck out. Like I said we had rafalski lidstrom Stuart and kronwall before. If we got a guy like green dekeyser could stay back and make up for his mistakes and green could make our transition game so much better and put up a lot of points in the process. We would have 2 great pp qb's and two very good offensive dmen, and I guarantee we instantly become a much much better team
A realist would realize just how bizarre last season was when it came to injuries
exactly, no way andersson plays top 6 minutes again, guys were dropping like flies last year, and the olympics didn't help. This year we can expect a much more resilient team, and a better outcome at the end of the year
also iginla was much older, and no longer in his prime... so that is not a good comparison at all, also a forward no dman. try comparing apples to apples, instead of apples to car parts
This team needs a shake up, it has become to complacent. Too many guys think they are "untouchable" and have been lackluster, for the most part. this is exactly the type of move we need to make, we can replace Tatars points, we have enough top 6 potential in GR that one or two guys easily could replicate what we lose in tatar, I love Tatar, but I like Nyquist more.