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#2525845 Hartnell to Columbus for Umberger + 4th in 2015

Posted by Euro_Twins on 26 June 2014 - 12:06 PM

That wasn't directed at you.  ET and #9 were piggy-backing off that to complain (oh the irony) about people that complain about Franzen...

I wasn't piggy backing anything. I didn't even quote anyone. I am annoyed by seeing every thread overtaken by people complaining about franzen.

#2525674 2014 NHL Awards Winners and Losers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 25 June 2014 - 10:53 AM

Although you are right and Weber is the better defenseman, they don't give the award to the leagues best defenseman but the leagues best scoring defenseman. If they gave it to the truly best defenseman each year then Lidstrom would have won the award like 20 times.

Well he did win it 7 times which is almost impossible. He was widely regarded as one of the best dmen to ever play the game, has 4 Stanley cup rings, I don't think he cares if he had a couple extra meaningless trophies to put on his shelf, it's probably already collapsing under all that weight anyway

#2525455 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Euro_Twins on 24 June 2014 - 10:44 AM

Holland pushed hard for Kesler last year. So you're attacking him for doing the exact same thing Chicago is doing now. Holland hate is dine but blind rage and hatred all the time is just excessive.Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

How dare you bring reason and logic to this hate fest...

Everyone was happy we didn't get kesler because everyone agrees the asking price was way too steep.

#2525449 Hartnell to Columbus for Umberger + 4th in 2015

Posted by Euro_Twins on 24 June 2014 - 10:15 AM

Most lgw members morning routine.

Wake up, have coffee
Complain about franzen (honourable mention of hossa)
Take a shower
Complain about babs/Holland/being too soft
Complain about franzen
Complain more about franzen
Complain even more about franzen....

This is the song that never ends...

#2525347 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Euro_Twins on 23 June 2014 - 06:01 PM

I'Reilly is one inch taller, and had the opportunity of playing in the nhl since he was 18. Nyquist was given an opportunity and seized it, now he needs to hone in on his skills a bit. If nyquist puts on 15 pounds, they virtually become the same player. I would trade any of our young guys except for jurco and nyquist for o'Reilly

#2525344 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Euro_Twins on 23 June 2014 - 05:58 PM

So a couple guys more straight out of grand rapids won't change that... And as you recall z dats Ericsson and franzen were all injured for stretches during the year, which was my point

#2525341 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Euro_Twins on 23 June 2014 - 05:52 PM

WHY WOUKD ANYONE SUPPORT THIS??? Seiously if were not going to win a cup, or hell do anything at all to improve a mediocre team why would we want him wasting a spot?

I like the guy and think if we were contenders I'd e ok with signing him. But last year my argument was...why sign him him nyquist can bring what he brings....just younger.

Now why sign him when we can have jurco or pulk up instead. There is so much better options. There is not ONE good reason for Alfie being here.

Leadership, experience, good work ethic. You can't build a team with 22 year olds, look at Edmonton. Alfie was solid last year when healthy. And when our leaders were injured the team didn't do so well. Nyquist was the only player stepping up, now you want to entrust that responsibility to not only the same players who disappeared when times got tough, but a couple extra even younger ones? And you honestly see nothing wrong with that mentality?

#2525204 Home Opener 10/9 Against Bruins

Posted by Euro_Twins on 23 June 2014 - 08:55 AM

Is there a reasoning behind 17 out of 23 games being road games in the months of January and February? Ouch.

Because of reasons

#2525131 Slow News Day Thread

Posted by Euro_Twins on 22 June 2014 - 12:47 PM

How did the wings get a pick that early to begin with?

They didn't. It's showing what the top players from that draft would go at, so they are saying we basically got a top 5 pick with franzen, even though he was picked 97th overall

#2525109 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Euro_Twins on 22 June 2014 - 10:32 AM

Hardly the most legit source ever but still...

As long as it isn't mantha, nyquist jurco or Tatar

#2525072 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.
Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.

Umm franzen played in 28 games less and had 10 points less. That seems to me like franzen was the better ppg player no matter what way you slice it.

#2525066 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 07:02 PM

While Richards has a slightly better defensive rating by that advanced stat, Franzen has a far better offensive rating by the same stat and is ranked as the better player overall.
Here are their ratings last season in those stats.
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 7.9
Franzen 5.3
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards -0.6
Franzen 4.0
HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 3.7
Franzen 4.7
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 9.7
Franzen 2.7
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.1
Franzen -1.6
Over the past 2 years the gap widens.
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 14.5
Franzen 27.3
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards 5.8
Franzen 8.7

HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 10.1
Franzen 18.0
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 13.9
Franzen 6.7
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.6
Franzen -0.7
Here is the comparison over the past 3 seasons.
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 5.8
Franzen 32.9
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards 6.6
Franzen 19.7
HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 6.2
Franzen 26.3
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 5.3
Franzen 11.9
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.2
Franzen 0.3
I don't think advanced stats are going to help you in making a case that Richards is the better player, especially when he was making twice as much money as Johan.

Its called picking one specific states to prove a point and ignoring all other stats. Something a few people around here like to do. If we got Richards he would be on more than mule.

#2525015 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....
Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.
Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.

Since you mentioned ppg over the last three years. Over the last three years franzen has averaged .75 ppg. Yes he is streaky, we all know that. But there is no denying the production. Sure you can say he hasn't showed up in the playoffs, which is true, and he is "lazy" but his +/- would disagree with you as would just about every defensive status available. He may look disinterested and laid back, but what I see is a player babs has transformed to play defense first. His production is as high as it's ever been, and his defensive game is much better than everyone gives him credit for.

I would take franzen over Richards any day.

#2524982 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 20 June 2014 - 11:58 PM

Brad Richards age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 6.67 Million a season
Johan Franzen age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 3.95 million a season
New York Rangers Goal differential +25  
Brad Richards plus minus -8
Detroit Red Wings goal differential -8 
Johan Franzen plus minus +6
Brad Richards 24
Johan Franzen 66
Brad Richards 46
Johan Franzen 28
Brad Richards 49.8%
Johan Franzen 52.9%
Richards slightly outscored Franzen this year but was far worse defensively and he costs almost double what Franzen does. That's why one is employed and the other was paid to go away.

If franzenstein played 82 games like Richards he would have (pro rated) 11 points more and 4 goals more.

#2524574 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Euro_Twins on 19 June 2014 - 11:14 AM

The hype for Mrazek is funny the guy hasn't done anything worthwhile at the NHL level and yet people are already making him the next starter. Reminds a lot on a certain guy named Jacob Markström.

In 11 games in the nhl, he has a 1.8 gaa and a .926 sv%

And obviously he has been great in the ahl also