If his mind and his body are gone and he is suffering, no, I don't think his family would want him to continue existing. Thankfully, the Howe children seem to be treating their dad's life with the respect that it deserves. I have the utmost respect for his family for the way they have cared for him in the twilight of his life. They have been honest and open about his condition. Caring for a dementia patient is physically, emotionally and financially draining. It's a shame they've had to go through this with both of their parents.
Sorry, but he's been suffering immensely in recent years. He is not going to get better. Dementia doesn't get better and he isn't likely to make a miraculous physical recovery due to his age and other health issues. He deserves to go with the dignity he lived his life.
It's like saying a 78 Pacer is a classic car just because you got laid in it. The teams were great, the building sucks.
It wasn't even intended to be a hockey building. Coleman Young threw up a quickie building to try and keep the Pistons from leaving Cobo, but they went to the Silverdome anyway. Then he had to beg the Wings to move there so he wouldn't have this huge new arena sitting empty. It's not a classic building by any stretch of the imagination. Even if they didn't tear it down, it's still would suck.
Meh. The Joe is a dump. I disagree about there not being a bad seat in the house. I don't really associate the good memories of the Stanley Cup winning teams with the building itself. It's not like the Joe was Olympia or anything.
I've tried endlessly to defend Franzen, but his attitude is just killing me right now. The canned responses from some athletes can get somewhat tiresome, but Franzen's finger pointing and basically blaming the fans for expecting him to produce more is nauseating. Acting like he's some 4th liner who got a little lucky a few times around the net makes him look like an unmotivated lazy idiot. Putting out the impression that he's some Selke candidate who would be hurting the team if he actually tried to score more, just unbelievable. I don't even think he's in the top 10 on his own team defensively, let alone in the league. Playing well defensively doesn't seem to stop Hossa from scoring. He's a scorer who doesn't want to score, he's a big guy who won't use his body, and he uses his lower than average defense as an excuse for all of it. Enough already.
What's most annoying is that Franzen isn't even a good defensive player like he seems to think he is. I don't think anyone expects him to score 50 goals, but damn, can he at least LOOK like he's trying out there? Could he pop right back up when he goes down instead of taking a minute and half to get to his feet? Could he stand in front of the net and block the goalie? Could he throw his body around just a little? Ack, that interview just got under my skin.
Note to Franzen: Did you feel your goal scoring was only a fluke and you were a defensive player only when you signed that long term deal? You like to win? Did you notice the Wings won in 2008 when you scored a lot of goals in the playoffs? Don't expect me to play better, just expect less from me. Grrrrr
Posted by Playmaker
on 27 September 2014 - 08:46 AM
Keeping the other team honest can be correlated to less injuries. Hockey is a physical sport there is no way to 100 % prevent injuries but there are ways to force the other team to clean their act up. One of them is to finally get a another Downey, DMac to take care of business. Yes it's easy and cheap, yet it hasn't been done since our last cup (needless to say the Wings haven't one anything since then and are losing out on top UFA players also).
The Wings were never a free agent destination ? False, there was a team when the Wings could almost dictate the terms and free agents still died to come here...I know it seems like forever. Ehrhoff went to a much better Stanley Cup contender for 4 million that's an absolute steal!
The funny thing is those so called "meatheads" are playing a very clean game they know what their job is and they execute it well. I really can't think of any cheapshot by the likes of Colton Orr, Brian McGrattan (guy even gives other enforcers a second chance to guess if they really want to go with him!) or Frazer McLaren.
Also in my mind Tootoo is more of an agitator than an enforcer, yeah he will fight and provide some energy but agitators often need enforcers because they aren't feared, their job is to get under the skin of the other team.
For everyone saying getting g etting a tough guy is low priority...well the team also failed - like GMR 1983 mentioned - to land top pairing or top 6 guys and some of them don't even want to come here so that doesn't leave a lot of options other than hoping for some prospects to turn out much better than expected, otherwise neither Pasha nor Z will see another cup with this team. And personally I'd rather watch an entertaining team than pussysoft one that gets pushed around and have their best player missing time due to ellbows, hard preseason hits...The rematch against the Ottawa Senators was embarrassing.
Again, you're perpetuating a lot of myths with no actual facts behind them. What top 6 Wingers were available in free agency this season that Holland missed out on? Ehrhoff signed with a better team? Really, the team that just fired its General Manager and coach, lost their top defenseman and has a major problem in net? That team? You can say their two top stars are younger than ours, but that's about it. He also only signed a one year deal if I'm not mistaken, so that tells you that there's something more in the works.
Please name some names of all these top free agents that the Wings could pick and choose from that lined up to come here for next to nothing. That's laughable. We signed Hull and Robitaille in 2002 for probably more than they'd get anywhere else, but who were all the other stars that came here via free agency? As we've been over ad nauseum, the very small crop of free agents that do become available today are more apt to sign with teams because of family/friend reasons. Also, who are all these prime destinations that these players are signing to go to. Washington? Minnesota? Columbus?
There's no evidence whatsoever that having an "enforcer" reduces injuries. Since every other team is tougher than the Wings, that would mean that all the other teams would have minimal injuries. That just isn't the case.
Posted by Playmaker
on 26 September 2014 - 07:00 PM
And replace them with skilled players on the top two lines? Holland hasn't proven he can do that well with the salary cap. I'd like a 40 goal scoring winger on the top 6, but it's not going to happen unless it comes from a Nyquist or Tatar. We're not signing anyone soon.
Holland loves spending money on 4th liners like Sammy and Cleary, but doesn't spend less money for a tough guy that is cheaper.
Oh come on. Every team has had more toughness than the Wings each of the last 10 plus seasons. We're the anomaly when it comes to enforcers, not the rule. There are plenty of tough guys not on waivers, just like there are plenty who are.
To clarify are we talking physical players or "meatheads"? You seem to be going back and forth. Who wouldn't like a physical player who is solid defensively and can score a big goal on occasion. Every team wants a few of those and there aren't that many available.
Holland signed Tootoo, a fighter and agitator, and after injuries to nearly every regular on the team, Babcock chose to play absolutely anyone but him. He made it pretty clear that isn't the type of player he wants on his team.
The Wings have plenty of needs, but an "enforcer" is at the very bottom of the list. The injuries have nothing to do with having an enforcer.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it not uncommon to hear people say they believe that the fight night at the joe is the night that team solidified the Cup win?
This is such a surreal position to be in. Thanks PlayMaker and everyone.
Thanks to you, T. Your attitude is amazing. I got involved with ALS charities two years ago after a close friend was diagnosed. If you have a favorite charity near your home, by all means, don't be shy. Let us know. I'm in Michigan and do the ALS walks here. But if there's a local chapter or a specific charity that you'd prefer, post the info on it.
Think of all the money that'd be raised if the posters here had to donate a dollar for every time they bashed Cleary, criticized Holland, complained about Franzen, etc