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#2532270 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:05 PM

 

I'm confused about your position.  You think that there's nothing wrong with the media coverage of the Wings?

 

I don't care about the media "asking the tough questions".  I really don't.  I don't get off on the idea of seeing Holland squirm in his seat and hum and hah.

 

What does that accomplish?  People act like he's going to have an epiphany and all it takes is people confronting him about it and then he's going to see the light!

 

In today's era of social media they know the general consensus of their fan base's opinion. It doesn't take a beat reporter's "digging" to find that out.

 

(Much like what 55fan was saying) I rely on the media to give me facts.  I'd love more insider info but I also see how that can be counter-productive to the Wings doing business.

 

I read blogs and message boards (LGW) to hear other people opinions so I can better reflect on my own (which I've gained from watching as many games as I can).




#2532268 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by number9 on 16 July 2014 - 02:52 PM

I really think you are missing my point on him. I really don't care if anyone says something bad about a team that is doing bad.heck I will say Michigan is not doing well and that they suck sometimes..just like with the wings...but to do it even when they do good...and to never really say anything good about a team much less the whole state of Michigan just is over board to me and just makes him look like a trolling d-bag.

 

 

 

I've never heard him disparage the state so I can't speak to that.  Also, as far as him saying bad things "even when Michigan is good", we haven't been good in over a decade.  We've won 2 bowl games in ten years, and beat our biggest rival once in ten years.  Winning Conference Championships and mid-level bowl games is fine if you're Purdue, or Northwestern.  Nobody expects you to be better.  But Michigan? 

 

I guess my point is, Michigan football is supposed to be a nationally relevant football program.  That's the standard they've set for themselves, and what we've come to expect.  They haven't lived up to that in a VERY long time, and don't seem to be making any headway toward that now.  So I don't expect Drew Sharp to gush over them winning the odd Big Ten Title, or Gator Bowl.  If U of M wants more respect from the media, they need to win more.  And just like when the Tigers are good, or the Red Wings, or the Pistons, Drew will fall in line and write all the fluff pieces that fans can read.  But he won't if they aren't.   

 

Now, if you're talking about his demeanor?  I don't find it particularly problematic, but if you do I'm going to say you're wrong.  It's your opinion. 

 

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Couldn't help myself.

 

Thing is, IT IS the job of a journalist to regurgitate what management says. They are reporting what was said... and that's what was said....

 

The timing of this article, all the anonymous sources, and the writer constantly citing his own credentials, makes me question this article a lot.




#2532265 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:25 PM

Ken Holland could start doing his job better and then there wouldn't be so much criticism aimed at the organization.

 

This article has absolutely nothing to do with "the job Ken Holland is doing".  

 

People are just using it as another soapbox to complain from.




#2532264 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by T.Low on 16 July 2014 - 02:23 PM

I make about one post a year and I have to waste it on this garbage....
 
BOOO, these reporters are reporting on the news and not on whatever their opinion might be, BOOO.
This is being played like politics and a perceived lack of interest in bashing management is being equated to condoning said moves.
These are not the same things, everyone is taking mental shortcuts to the conclusion and bypassing the idea that media SHOULD report ONLY the facts.
 
People are so quick to forget that because it is sports, it is journalism too, adding opinion taints that.
 
Let bloggers speculate, speculation is what you people seem to desire, but is also the reason these speculators don't have credentials, because they only want those credentials to make their asinine opinions seem more valid when they are arguing in their own comments section.
 
Nobody knows what a good signing is until the season is over and we all have 20/20 hindsight, your intuition is not proof of any fact and your anger is not a catalyst for change. All I read when I see this garbage is a lot of spoiled fans who even after making the playoffs for 23 years in a row and winning more Stanley Cups than any team in a quarter century, think they could do better and sit around bitterly whining about a few depth moves being made.
 
Grow up Hockeytown!
29 other teams lose the cup or on said free agent, I can't wait for the article to come out saying player X didn't want to come to Detroit because of the entitled fans, well I guess I could buy a website, call myself a blogger, write the opinion myself, use anonymous sources and then ***** because no one takes me serious.





This.

I need to be informed of "what" happened, not what to "think" about it. I can do that on my own.


#2532262 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

I feel like this piece was purposely released at a time when Red Wings fans are at their angriest to have maximum effect.

 

Time to call the...

 

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#2532188 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Wingzman91 on 15 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

I make about one post a year and I have to waste it on this garbage....

 

BOOO, these reporters are reporting on the news and not on whatever their opinion might be, BOOO.

This is being played like politics and a perceived lack of interest in bashing management is being equated to condoning said moves.

These are not the same things, everyone is taking mental shortcuts to the conclusion and bypassing the idea that media SHOULD report ONLY the facts.

 

People are so quick to forget that because it is sports, it is journalism too, adding opinion taints that.

 

Let bloggers speculate, speculation is what you people seem to desire, but is also the reason these speculators don't have credentials, because they only want those credentials to make their asinine opinions seem more valid when they are arguing in their own comments section.

 

Nobody knows what a good signing is until the season is over and we all have 20/20 hindsight, your intuition is not proof of any fact and your anger is not a catalyst for change. All I read when I see this garbage is a lot of spoiled fans who even after making the playoffs for 23 years in a row and winning more Stanley Cups than any team in a quarter century, think they could do better and sit around bitterly whining about a few depth moves being made.

 

Grow up Hockeytown!

29 other teams lose the cup or on said free agent, I can't wait for the article to come out saying player X didn't want to come to Detroit because of the entitled fans, well I guess I could buy a website, call myself a blogger, write the opinion myself, use anonymous sources and then ***** because no one takes me serious.




#2532206 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by FlashyG on 15 July 2014 - 10:10 PM

I believe he is talking about the guy who cancelled his ticket plan and explain why he didn't agree with the things they were doing.

They told him to go support another team or somethig along those lines.

I can't remember the exact thread it was in.

 

I've read that in a couple places but its just a claim made by a fan with no screenshot or any sort of proof that it's a legitimate email from anyone within the organization.

 

For all we know it was made up by the person that originally made the claim in the first place.




#2531927 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Barrie on 13 July 2014 - 10:25 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.

 

I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.




#2530963 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 July 2014 - 06:16 AM

Kip, I don't think anyone is saying that there was absolutely nothing Kenny could have done since losing Rafalski, Lidstrom and co. or that we agree with every single personnel decision that he has made in the past few seasons. Obviously there have been plenty to scratch your head about. But there have also been plenty of players that have signed elsewhere that we really didn't have any chance with, without giving up way too much in assets or salary cap. If a player has his mind set where he wants to go, like DeKeyser for us, there isn't much else you can do other than crazily over pay, and even that isn't going to guarantee they come here...

 

You can't argue that some pretty good players have been going to other teams for reasons other than having a better chance at competing for the Stanley Cup as of late. Do you really think any of the players that signed elsewhere, other than maybe Ehrhoff, Richards and Heatley (there were a lot of people that didn't even want these players anyway) believe that any of these teams they signed with have a significantly better chance at competing than the Red Wings? Does anyone believe that Washington, Tampa, New York, Dallas, Colorado, Minnesota or Nashville, were significantly better than us, prior to the signings? Or even after their big signings for that matter?... I certainly don't.

 

I think Holland is doing a great job managing this team, and keeping them afloat while building on the fly. To go through two successful rebuilds in both pre and post salary cap, without missing the playoffs once in over two decades would be pretty damn amazing wouldn't it?

 

Sure, I would have loved to have a shiny, new piece to the puzzle on July 1st, who wouldn't? But I'm quite content waiting another year and see what these kids can do.




#2530822 Hockey News: Red Wings ‘D’ hunting

Posted by DeGraa55 on 09 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

 
Plus many of us block certain users posts so we can choose which to read....


I don't block anyone. I like reading everyone's post whether I agree or disagree it's good to get several peoples view points.


#2530270 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by _SP_ on 06 July 2014 - 03:38 PM

A $20 million jump for "after hockey earnings"? How much should my "after career earnings" be?

 

Interest? Investments? Real Estate?  This guy graduated from Harvard.  If you don't think he stood to make a LOT of money, you're out of your mind.  Don't be hateful; the money isn't coming out of your pocket, it's coming from the NHL- a group of individuals who did everything in their power to essentially cover this up and make it his fault.

 

Also, there are such things a PUNITIVE damage. Better known as, "Since you screwed up, we're not only giving him COMPENSANTORY damages for what he lost out on personally, but we're penalizing you for your role."

 

Not to mention prevailing plantiff $$$.  Basically, in a civil court, the court can put a percentage on negligent responsibility of both parties- meaning that the plaintiff may only be awarded a "partial win" in that they too were worthy of a portion of blame for the incident and therefore not entitled to all of the money they are seeking.  But if they are labeled a prevailing plantiff, it means that they are reasonably entited to having attorneys' fees paid for by the other party due to their "prevailing" win.




#2529940 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 04 July 2014 - 08:24 AM

I still think it would be best for Mantha' long term future if he learned to become a pro in GR - even if for only half a season, just to get himself adjusted to playing against bigger, stronger competition. The Wings don't lose here. If he tears up the AHL in the first half of the season, then it's more experience for him and it'll show he's ready for the next  level, without having to shove him in at the deep end with the possibility of stunting his development. 

 

If he struggles, they can leave him there for longer to adapt and find his game. It's win-win IMO. For the record, it would be awesome to see Mantha start the year with the wings, but I think being in GR, even for a few months, would be beneficial.




#2529749 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 03 July 2014 - 12:45 PM

I started the topic because I was annoyed of hearing about how bad we were when we didn't sign Boyle or Niskanen, or that no-one wants to play in Detroit anymore. To me, this represents an approach we as fans believe in that is simply unrealistic, because in the (hard) salary cap era - no team can/will compete for the Stanley Cup on a yearly basis. Not only does the hard cap hinder the money we can spend on free agents every summer, but the 7 year contract also limits free agency availability and allows the best players every year (who aren't ever elite) to receive inflated contracts because of the demand for them.

 

To be honest, I would rather have Quincey for 2 years at 4.25 Million than Niskanen for 7 years at 5.75 Million. Yes, Niskanen is a better Defenseman - but his contract is a representation of 1 decent year he had while playing the majority of his minutes with the top scorer in the NHL. When you consider he was on the 1st PP unit and took the place of Letang for most of the season, 46 points on a top 5 scoring team isn't really that fantastic.

 

Last year at this time (after losing in the 2nd round to the eventual Champs) we were ecstatic about the season we had and the kids who were coming up (we followed it up by adding 2 of the top 3 available free agents on July 1st) - this year injuries completely derail our season... yet we still make the playoffs... have even more kids develop in between... lose in the 1st round the best team in our conference... and the world is ending? What if we had gone for (arguments sake) 8-6 in the shootout instead of 5-9, we would have had the 5th most points in the conference and played a much easier first round opponent... What if we had won that series and then gotten back Ericsson, and a fully recovered Z? The outlook would be much different I'm sure...

 

For future reference - this is our lineup without Franzen, Weiss, Kindl and Quincey.

 

ZETTERBERG - DATSYUK - MANTHA

NYQUIST         - HELM        - JURCO

TATAR             - SHEAHAN - PULKKINEN

ABBY               - GLENNY    - MILLER

 

KRONWALL - SMITH

DEKEYSER - MARCHENKO

ERICSSON  - SPROUL

 

Please explain to me how we have nothing to be excited about?




#2530054 Can Z and Pav do anything to protest? (not that they would)

Posted by number9 on 04 July 2014 - 09:29 PM

His ex-wife and oldest daughter live in Russia.  His new wife and newborn daughter live here.  Zetterberg said in the HBO special that he and his wife plan to make the Detroit their home after he retires.  
 
Alexei Kovalev just retired from a Swiss B League.  These guys aren't like us.  They play because they love the game on a completely different level.  I expect them both to play until their bodies are no longer able and continue to be the ultimate professionals they always have been.


They were taught by Yzerman and Lidstrom and will retire like Yzerman and Lidstrom. Anyone who seriously suspects otherwise is reaching for the wings to tank


#2529956 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2014 - 12:31 PM

You do realize he's normal right. He's fully recovered and is capable of making decisions for himself, the fact that his lawyers whisper all the right things in his ears is his own fault.

 

No, I don't.  Do you have a source confirming that? Because from what I've read he still has serious cognitive limitations as a result of the incident. 

 

http://www.thestar.c..._struggles.html

 

I'm not saying I agree with the number he's asking for in the lawsuit.  I doubt that he would've been some genius financial expert, but it sure sounds like he can't hold a lot of other jobs he would've been qualified for because of his symptoms.  Then throw on top of that his lost earnings from a potential NHL career.  

 

I agree with frankgrimes, the NHL should've settled this and put this behind them years ago.  Instead they allegedly withheld the $220,000 disability payment Moore was owed under the CBA unless he signed a clause saying he wouldn't sue the NHL or any franchises.  And let this lawsuit drag on and rear its ugly head over and over for 10 years now.  

 

What a terrible decision by the league.