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#2530822 Hockey News: Red Wings ‘D’ hunting

Posted by DeGraa55 on Yesterday, 01:13 PM

Plus many of us block certain users posts so we can choose which to read....

I don't block anyone. I like reading everyone's post whether I agree or disagree it's good to get several peoples view points.

#2530270 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by _SP_ on 06 July 2014 - 03:38 PM

A $20 million jump for "after hockey earnings"? How much should my "after career earnings" be?


Interest? Investments? Real Estate?  This guy graduated from Harvard.  If you don't think he stood to make a LOT of money, you're out of your mind.  Don't be hateful; the money isn't coming out of your pocket, it's coming from the NHL- a group of individuals who did everything in their power to essentially cover this up and make it his fault.


Also, there are such things a PUNITIVE damage. Better known as, "Since you screwed up, we're not only giving him COMPENSANTORY damages for what he lost out on personally, but we're penalizing you for your role."


Not to mention prevailing plantiff $$$.  Basically, in a civil court, the court can put a percentage on negligent responsibility of both parties- meaning that the plaintiff may only be awarded a "partial win" in that they too were worthy of a portion of blame for the incident and therefore not entitled to all of the money they are seeking.  But if they are labeled a prevailing plantiff, it means that they are reasonably entited to having attorneys' fees paid for by the other party due to their "prevailing" win.

#2529940 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 04 July 2014 - 08:24 AM

I still think it would be best for Mantha' long term future if he learned to become a pro in GR - even if for only half a season, just to get himself adjusted to playing against bigger, stronger competition. The Wings don't lose here. If he tears up the AHL in the first half of the season, then it's more experience for him and it'll show he's ready for the next  level, without having to shove him in at the deep end with the possibility of stunting his development. 


If he struggles, they can leave him there for longer to adapt and find his game. It's win-win IMO. For the record, it would be awesome to see Mantha start the year with the wings, but I think being in GR, even for a few months, would be beneficial.

#2529749 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 03 July 2014 - 12:45 PM

I started the topic because I was annoyed of hearing about how bad we were when we didn't sign Boyle or Niskanen, or that no-one wants to play in Detroit anymore. To me, this represents an approach we as fans believe in that is simply unrealistic, because in the (hard) salary cap era - no team can/will compete for the Stanley Cup on a yearly basis. Not only does the hard cap hinder the money we can spend on free agents every summer, but the 7 year contract also limits free agency availability and allows the best players every year (who aren't ever elite) to receive inflated contracts because of the demand for them.


To be honest, I would rather have Quincey for 2 years at 4.25 Million than Niskanen for 7 years at 5.75 Million. Yes, Niskanen is a better Defenseman - but his contract is a representation of 1 decent year he had while playing the majority of his minutes with the top scorer in the NHL. When you consider he was on the 1st PP unit and took the place of Letang for most of the season, 46 points on a top 5 scoring team isn't really that fantastic.


Last year at this time (after losing in the 2nd round to the eventual Champs) we were ecstatic about the season we had and the kids who were coming up (we followed it up by adding 2 of the top 3 available free agents on July 1st) - this year injuries completely derail our season... yet we still make the playoffs... have even more kids develop in between... lose in the 1st round the best team in our conference... and the world is ending? What if we had gone for (arguments sake) 8-6 in the shootout instead of 5-9, we would have had the 5th most points in the conference and played a much easier first round opponent... What if we had won that series and then gotten back Ericsson, and a fully recovered Z? The outlook would be much different I'm sure...


For future reference - this is our lineup without Franzen, Weiss, Kindl and Quincey.



NYQUIST         - HELM        - JURCO


ABBY               - GLENNY    - MILLER






Please explain to me how we have nothing to be excited about?

#2530054 Can Z and Pav do anything to protest? (not that they would)

Posted by number9 on 04 July 2014 - 09:29 PM

His ex-wife and oldest daughter live in Russia.  His new wife and newborn daughter live here.  Zetterberg said in the HBO special that he and his wife plan to make the Detroit their home after he retires.  
Alexei Kovalev just retired from a Swiss B League.  These guys aren't like us.  They play because they love the game on a completely different level.  I expect them both to play until their bodies are no longer able and continue to be the ultimate professionals they always have been.

They were taught by Yzerman and Lidstrom and will retire like Yzerman and Lidstrom. Anyone who seriously suspects otherwise is reaching for the wings to tank

#2529956 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2014 - 12:31 PM

You do realize he's normal right. He's fully recovered and is capable of making decisions for himself, the fact that his lawyers whisper all the right things in his ears is his own fault.


No, I don't.  Do you have a source confirming that? Because from what I've read he still has serious cognitive limitations as a result of the incident. 




I'm not saying I agree with the number he's asking for in the lawsuit.  I doubt that he would've been some genius financial expert, but it sure sounds like he can't hold a lot of other jobs he would've been qualified for because of his symptoms.  Then throw on top of that his lost earnings from a potential NHL career.  


I agree with frankgrimes, the NHL should've settled this and put this behind them years ago.  Instead they allegedly withheld the $220,000 disability payment Moore was owed under the CBA unless he signed a clause saying he wouldn't sue the NHL or any franchises.  And let this lawsuit drag on and rear its ugly head over and over for 10 years now.  


What a terrible decision by the league.  

#2529064 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Crashnburnluder on 01 July 2014 - 07:42 PM

How does he replace Lidstrom and Rafalski? Those guys can't be replaced.

you can't replace them, but you do a lot better job then Quincey, losing Stuart, signing a FA that wanted to go no where else in dekeyser.

Chicago has no cap room, but adds brad Richards, we have 12/14 million we give Quincey a raise... There is no way to defend that, sorry

#2528194 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

I'm pretty convinced Khan was wrong about Niskanen. 



So apparently I'm currently in the denial stage of grieving. 

#2528164 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2014 - 01:30 PM


Iginla gets $5.5M, $5.5M and $5M in each of three years with COL.



Shoot me in the f****** face with a bazooka.

#2528106 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 01:17 PM

Well, this day turned out even worse than expected, which is saying something lately with Holland.

Don't even bother signing any scraps or second tier waste of money free agents now. Play the kids and build for the future.

#2527333 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 06:27 PM


he claimed kronwall could teach smith anything boyle could, and that smith and kronwall are very similar players. he then said smith and boyle were opposites (which contradicts the kronwall can teach smith anything boyle can argument) and followed up with a bold statement that boyle would get less than 20 points... it's like we've never had offensive dmen. Kronwall can put up 50 points on our "terrible" offensive team, but boyle can't put up 20 points. This is clearly a hate towards any potential moves Holland could make befoe we even see what happens and how it works out.


It's not hate for ANY potential move.  I'll all for spending money or assets on young guys.  But I'll gladly admit that I don't like the idea of signing a 38 year old declining veteran.  Also, the part about not getting 20 pts. was pretty clearly a joke, as evidenced by my smartassy rejoinder following it.  Lighten up dude.  It's hockey, we're not enemies and I'm not out to get you (or am I?).  <------------- See, cocky rejoinder indicates that I'm goofing. 

#2527317 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 05:18 PM


Okay instead of just being negative in response, why not offer up what you think they should do?  


Boyle isn't mediocre, even at 38.  He had an off-year last year and still posted 36 points.  He is a known commodity.  Niskanen is not (not saying I wouldn't like Niskanen), but I can see the inherent risk in bringing him in for 7 years at 6 per.  Whereas bringing in Boyle for 2 around 5 million is much less of a risk.   Ehroff is another strong candidate but who knows what he'll ask for and what kind of term he'll want.  They are also gunning for a righty, so that makes things a little tougher to sort out.  Basically gives you Niskanen, Boyle, and Gilbert as the top right handed candidates.  I'm not so sure that Gilbert fits the top 4 d-man mold, but I could be wrong, I'm not super familiar with his style of play.  In the end, your assessment of Boyle is far off base, and like any veteran, he can teach the younger guys (like ANY veteran can) if they feel so inclined.  It's not a discredit to Kronwall, just an additional guy to play off of and get experience from.  You're entitled to your opinion, but when the facts say otherwise, it's hard to see things the same way.  We'll see.


I've already offered my alternative a thousand times.  If you can't get Niskanen (and now Ehrhoff) then let the kids play.  I'd rather miss the playoffs with Sproul than get murdered in the first round with Boyle.  At least one of those things helps us in the long term (the kid getting experience).  The other only gives a bunch of self congratulatory dummies another year to talk about "the streak" as if it's relevant. 


Also, Boyle didn't have an "off" year.  He's numbers are declining because he's old and losing his effectiveness.  If anything, they're probably artificially high considering his team is WAY better offensively than ours is.  If you think he's going to have some kind of a bounce back year on a team who didn't have a single 50 pt. player last year, I don't know what to tell you.  Joe Pavelski had almost as many goals as our points leader had points.  That's why Boyle's numbers were decent there, and that's why they'll suck here.

#2527313 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 05:10 PM


But a better mediocre team than last year’s with one of Boyle, Erhoff, Niskanen, or Gilbert IMO. 


Add in a pinch of not-freakishly-bad health, and this team could surprise. Maybe. 


Loading your team up with aging vets, and playing them a ton of minutes, INCREASES the likelihood of injury.  It doesn't decrease it. 


I think Ken Holland is the only person on earth who thinks that injuries are the product of magic and not wear and tear. 

#2527235 UFA day looking up

Posted by krsmith17 on 30 June 2014 - 02:15 PM

I agree that tomorrow is going to be a little more exciting than past Free Agency Frenzies, but I'm not sure it will be for Detroit so much... I think it is a long shot to think that Detroit will bring in 3 big name UFA's and I'm ok with that. You really think over paying for another left handed center, when we already have an abundance of centers, and targeting 2 left handed defencemen, on the wrong side of 30 is our best options?... I disagree. I wouldn't mind going after Ehrhoff if we strike out on Niskanen, but Volchenkov isn't even remotely close to the top of my list...

#2527225 Ehrhoff or Niskanen

Posted by krsmith17 on 30 June 2014 - 02:01 PM

... and Minnesota would still be a playoff bubble team... So what?