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#2514229 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by roboturner on Yesterday, 12:00 AM

I don't really see a whole lot of 'blaming only Howard' for this loss like some are claiming. It's more holding him accountable for his mistakes.


If you're going to say that "other people shouldn't be blaming only one person (Howie), because the team as a whole is playing poorly and you're letting them off the hook."

Then you shouldn't turn around and say "the whole team isn't playing well, but I'm going to let Howard off the hook for his own contributions to this debacle and hold all of the skaters to a higher standard."


You're doing the exact same thing. There's plenty of blame to go around and EVERYBODY (skaters, goalie, coaches, GM) should be held responsible for their parts in this.

#2514152 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by gcom007 on 22 April 2014 - 09:56 PM

I didn't post that with the intention of arguing that Howard is better than Quick, because I won't. It is more a point that yes, a goaltender can be responsible for losing games in the playoffs. Quick has solely been responsible for them being down 2-0 and having the series in a losing position right now. There is no denying that, he has been terrible.


Howard has been responsible for dropping one game. Holding him responsible for this game is illogical. His numbers have been excellent, he stole us a game, yet he's still getting the most heat. That's my point. Even the most elite can be awful at times and cause you to lose games. Howard has been solid, not stellar, but not bad either. 


The blame needs to be pointed at the offense and lack of effort and energy in the first half of tonight's game. 


He is taking the most heat because two games in a row he gave up easy goals to give Boston early leads.


Again, Jimmy Howard did not give the Red Wings a chance to get things started against Boston, but he absolutely straight-up handed Boston that chance, two playoff games in a row. That's the bottom line and that's why it's a serious problem no matter his play the remainder of the game.


I absolutely think we have other problems aside from Howard, but I also think we might see the team look a bit different if they weren't having to play from behind early on. We haven't really had a chance to get anything going two games in a row because early leads were given up to a team that is just too good to be giving early leads to. Like it or not, those early leads were started by bad plays by Howard. The situation was exacerbated by the rest of the team quickly in both games, and Howard obviously doesn't shoulder as much blame for those goals, but the wheels started coming off due to bad goals given up by Howard.


Howard needs to give the team a better chance to get going than he's done these last two games. I didn't make a stink about it after the last game because it was one game and s*** happens. Most goalies give up one bad goal now and again. I've never held it against goalies when it occasionally happened. After all, I was an Osgood fan, and obviously he had his seriously atrocious goals against. But Osgood had a tendency of following up games in which he gave up lousy goals with outstanding, lights out games. Howard came back and gave up another easy goal and lead again tonight, in the playoffs.


No one should be debating whether or not he played well the rest of the game because he did, but there should also be no debate that these early goals he's giving up are unacceptable and deflating, and again, that's a serious problem.

#2514175 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 April 2014 - 10:17 PM

Man, people blaming Howard is unbelievable. It makes me wonder if you guys are real hockey fans. When you score ZERO goals do you expect to win? So Howard is supposed to make EVERY stop until the Red Wings score? LoL. I thought Howard finished strong. Wings didn't have ANY puck luck today and NOTHING went their way. The post by Helm was huge, if that goes in, it's a different game. Wings looked like s*** yes, but it's still only 2-1. Do I think the Wings will win? No, but it's far from over. They have to find a way to score.


The  people blaming Howard are also blaming everyone else.  If you go back through this thread (I don't recommend it) you'll see that.  

#2512625 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4 - Series tied 1-1

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 April 2014 - 04:28 PM

So Kenny traded a top prospect for a future FA and aging C who's been playing a 4th line winger...


did you hear he also kept franzen over hossa I mean holy crap we could have 5 cups since then!

#2512610 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4 - Series tied 1-1

Posted by Dave on 20 April 2014 - 04:23 PM

The Bruins need the officials in order to beat us. Whatever.

Detroit had 3 power plays. They had their opportunities.

#2512427 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4 - Series tied 1-1

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on 20 April 2014 - 03:47 PM

I'm glad they didn't quit unlike this message board

#2512102 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4 - Series tied 1-1

Posted by Shaman on 20 April 2014 - 02:46 PM

I guess they only call SOME penalties in this game......

The problem is the actual hit was clean.

#2510148 ECQF - Series C - Penguins versus Blue Jackets

Posted by toby91_ca on 17 April 2014 - 07:58 AM

It is typical of around here....complain about reffing....non-stop, even when the Wings aren't playing.  It does get pretty tiresome.


I'll admit to not watching most of the game last night, but from what I saw, CBJ got away with taking a ton of liberties, there was definitely no favouritism going the Pens way from the little that I saw.


From a pure stats perspective, CBJ took a grand total of 3 penalties during the game (yup, gotta be a conspiracy here).  Pens took 4 penalties by the way, theirs were all well deserved of course.


Can we be a bit more original around here (at least when the Wings aren't playing against them?)

#2510105 ECQF - Series B - Tampa Bay versus Montreal

Posted by martinezsvsu on 16 April 2014 - 08:49 PM

Wow, and people complain about Quincey, Lashoff and Kindl?  Subban is so poor defensively.  He must've made 3 or 4 major mistakes in one shift.  He reminds me of Puig.  All the talent in the world, but makes so many bonehead plays it leaves you shaking your head.  Can't believe anyone would want to sign him to a long term deal.

and hes a huge d bag.

#2509883 Gus & Tatar almost traded to Calgary per McKenzie

Posted by DickieDunn on 15 April 2014 - 06:33 PM

Kenny is a trade machine:
Nyquist, Smith and the 1st (Mantha) for Edler
Nyquist and Tatar for JBO
Well, he said that this isn't the kids league afterall right?!

The other side are the people screaming about how he doesn't have the balls to make a trade or the ones who think that Cleary, Almquist, and Miller will bring back a quality player.

#2509004 Babcock and Holland Talk About Stuff

Posted by PumpkinEscobar on 12 April 2014 - 05:37 PM

I see Doug Brown's son..who played at Boston College...signed with Carolina...also I see Nashville is on NBCSN tonight...possibly see Jarnkrok

#2509046 Babcock and Holland Talk About Stuff

Posted by GoalieManPat on 12 April 2014 - 09:38 PM

You really think Bert, Sammy, and Cleary would have been in the top 6? On a team with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Weiss, and Alfredsson? Coached by a guy who seems determined to make Abby a top-6er?

Since both Bert and Cleary got multiple chances on the top 6 before the rash of injuries Id say yes.

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#2509008 Babcock and Holland Talk About Stuff

Posted by DeGraa55 on 12 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

Was it ever "officially" determined that they were going to buy out Sammy?  I think it was denied on all sides.  In any case, I meant it as more of a hypothetical scenario, not that they had to do all those exact things. 

Sammy or his agent (can't remember exactly)said that the wings never made any contact whatsoever about a buyout.

Well, they brought back Cleary, so there's that.  ;) 
I always felt like the 1st compliance was kind of wasted on Colaiocovo.  He wasn't great by any stretch, but his contract wasn't an albatross, and I'd have rather they rid themselves of a forward than a defenseman.  Babcock seemed to dislike him from the get go, like Tootoo.

I personally felt it was a waste cause they gave him(and Sammy) two year deals when it wasn't needed. They had questions at both positions, fine. Sign them TO A ONE YEAR DEAL. No team was going to sign them anyways lol.

#2508957 Babcock and Holland Talk About Stuff

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 April 2014 - 10:44 AM

Remember when the topic was what we need to win the cup again.

Now we are content to keep this streak alive.


They need time to reload before they're going to be favorites for the Cup again.  There are no quick fixes in free agency like there used to be where your 3rd choice was still going to be pretty good.  Now there might be 2 legit top flight players available at any given position, usually one, and the 3rd or 4th best player is going to be a big step below that top guy.  They need to develop and build through the draft, and despite having some guys graduating, they're still a couple years away.

#2508919 Babcock and Holland Talk About Stuff

Posted by GoalieManPat on 12 April 2014 - 12:22 AM


You sound just like Babcock. Or maybe Holland. Either way, I'm confused.


No Holland sounds like this "Its a mans league!" and then signs Bert, Cleary and Sammy.