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#2623758 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kliq on 23 August 2015 - 10:29 AM

The whole "Franzen is a scorer" narrative itself is flawed. I blame Mickey Redmond for this. He always yapped about how Franzen is a "50 goal scorer" and screwed with the perception of the fans. 

 

Expectations of fans is what causes all this Franzen hate. Franzen has always just been an above average goal scorer. High 20/ Low 30 goals a season type. 

 

I don't mind having that if he's healthy. We need all the scoring we can get. 

 

Agreed, but I also think those expectations are so high because he has had an ability like nobody else to simply take over a game.




#2620941 Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

Posted by kliq on 19 July 2015 - 11:53 AM

It's unbelievable some hawks fans are blaming Toews and Kane for taking the money lol. Show me a person that would sign for less written they crab make more during their limited career that could end every time. Maybe next time join the likes of Mr. I and criticize the current system. Bring in a hockey guy to run thisf****** league and send that damn New York based midget back to the nba whenever Stern retires.
 

Pavel Datsyuk and Nick Lidstrom.

 

*note* sorry for posting 3 times in a row, it wasn't letting me copy and paste quotes into one window. Every time I pasted Playmakers quote, it was saying Frank wrote it.




#2620943 Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

Posted by kliq on 19 July 2015 - 12:05 PM

 

The players can desertify if the majority of them votes to do so it is purely NHLPA related the NHL itself (i.e. Bettman and the owners) can do nothing about it. Desertification would mean that a lockout is illegal and the CBA would be a thing of the past, Also the owners locked out the players so it's not the players fault if the players decided not to play it would be a strike like harold explained.

 

You always talk about this Frank, but you realize that there are a lot of downsides to the players if they do this:

 

Here are a few I read in an article on cbc.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...-questions.html

 

OK, what are the downsides for the players?

"There are a few downsides," Feldman said. "The basic downside is the players lose protection of labour law and... the protection a union gives you. Any other industry would celebrate this [because it allows the owners to] implement whatever rules and conditions we want. It would hurt a significant number of players. [You have] exposed yourself to the mercy of NHL owners."

Guaranteed contracts? Health benefits? Pensions? Minimum salaries? All of that could be affected. During the NBA's 2011 labour battle, Ron Klempner, associate general counsel of the National Basketball Players' Association, said the players were better off without a union.

"That may be true for superstars, maybe not for others," Feldman said.

"The third risk," he added, "is if you lose. You've spent a tremendous amount of money on legal fees, [there's a] cancelled season and you've lost all leverage. [Decertification] is most powerful as a threat, because there's still uncertainty. If you fire off your weapon and there's no damage, you're weaponless."
 




#2620806 Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

Posted by Euro_Twins on 17 July 2015 - 11:48 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/bl...by-cap-1.332728


Well welcome to the Detroit red wings land Blackhawks, this is a league known for punishing successful teams in order to force parity even if owners are willing to spend whatever it takes.

And this will also be the downfall of this league coupled with a few other questionable decisions.


Despite what we think it seems to be working


#2620917 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 18 July 2015 - 01:30 PM

My sister passed away about 3 weeks ago from cancer.
 
A couple of seasons ago she had a chance to go to a Wings game.
 
My dad had been in contact with the Wings people and they were trying to work out who she might want to meet if she got the chance. It was up to me to ask her who she wanted to meet. Of course, we were trying to surprise her so I didn't want to just come out and say "Hey you're probably going to get to meet one of the players, who do you want to meet?"
 
So i would ask, "Hey Care, if you got to meet anybody on the wings who would you want to meet?"
 
"DAN CLEARY!" she'd exclaim.
 
So a couple of days later I would ask again. "DAN CLEARY!!" was the answer I got again.
 
She knew they were going to be going to the game when she went down to Ann Arbor, so I tried again, "No..Seriously....If you really got to meet one of the current Wings players when you go to the game, who would it be?"  I could not have given her a bigger hint without flat out just telling her!
 
"DAN CLEARY!"
 
So she and my dad and uncle went to the game and had a good time. Then the game was over. As they are trying to 'leave' the building, my uncle is leading the way with directions on where to go with my dad and sister following him. She still has no idea.
 
They end up in an area where she figures they aren't supposed to be. "Are we allowed down this way?"
 
Finally they end up standing against a wall with a bunch of other people with a Wings/arena employee telling them to just wait where they are.
 
"Are we meeting players?!" She had finally figured it out.
 
While they were waiting she felt she had accidentally bumped into someone behind her. She turned to say she was sorry to them. But nothing came out of her mouth. It was Nicklas Lidstrom that she had bumped into!! (This was during his last season when he wasn't playing due to his ankle) He saw she was trying to apologize and told her it was no big deal. Other players like Pavel and Zetterberg had walked through the hallway where they were waiting.
 
Finally Dan Cleary came out and asked "Are you Carrie?"
 
I don't remember much of what else happened (I wasn't there, just heard the stories afterward), but he was super nice to her, took a couple of pictures, and signed some things.
The jersey says
"To: Carrie    Best Wishes
 Your friend, Dan Clear 11"
 
He also had a signed bobble head sent to our house a couple of weeks later.
 
I always teased her about wanting to meet Cleary over anybody else, but she really enjoyed the whole experience
 
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Sorry for your loss, robo. Thanks for sharing that awesome story.


#2620911 Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

Posted by gcom007 on 18 July 2015 - 10:00 AM

I cant speak for anyone else, but I'm not losing any sleep at the thought of Chicago being brought down a peg. I'm sick and tired of seeing them in the finals. This is a perfect example of why cap management is so important in today's NHL. Being reckless now can screw you later.

 

Reckless? Screwed over?

 

How many Cups have they won in the last 5 years again?


I've been saying this for a couple years now, they'll not be able to sign and have to get rid of players. Also doesn't help you gave Kane and Toews ridiculous contracts.

 

Of course, people say it every year, and they get pinched now and again, drop some people, and so far, they've found a way back. I'm not saying one has to like it or the team, but so far, what they've been doing has been working for them. I'm not about to be the one writing them off again at this point. Again, they've got a great core and they keep retooling and coming back strong. Cups don't lie.




#2618560 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2015 - 08:26 PM

 

You don't need to go to forums to see what is obvious.  Green sucks at D, he was a 3rd pairing D-man on the Caps, he was awful against the Rangers, he had two points in 14 games in the playoffs...he had two power play points in the last 2.5 months of the season and his play in general was pretty miserable towards the latter part of the season.  

 

I just don't see why everyone sees this as an absolute slam dunk deal.

 

I don't think it's a slam dunk deal.  I've never been much of a Green fan but this defense desperately needs someone who can move the puck and be a threat offensively.  Even if he was a 3rd pairing d-man who played miserably towards the latter part of the last season, Green still put up more points than any Red Wings defenseman.  He also had more goals than any Red Wings defenseman. 

 

Even with his defensive shortcomings Green will hopefully help keep the Wings from getting pinned in their own zone for so long, in the way that Rafalski's long bomb outlet passes used to keep the other team's forecheck honest.  And a right hander on the point who can actually fire a slapshot should definitely help.  The Wings apparently plan to pair him with Dekeyser, who Babcock called the eraser because of how he fixed his partners mistakes.  Hopefully that will help.

 

But Green is also injury prone.  Or his production might drop, and if he's not producing then it's certainly not worth his downsides. 

 

It's not so much that Green is a slam dunk as it is the defense so desperately needs what he hopefully would provide.

 

 

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive  3h

Holland said plan is to pair Green with DeKeyser.




#2617835 Weiss bought out (confirmed)

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 July 2015 - 09:11 AM

As much as Weiss was a bust here, Babcock didn't do him any favors by burying him. Weiss would have stretches of solid play, then somehow wind up in the 4th line, RW position. I can get behind the idea that Weiss being put on the wing was the give him less responsibility, but when he put up some points, he was rewarded with a demotion.

Always got the vibe that Babcock didn't like the way Weiss competed (didn't compete) for the puck. Cared more about how the player played, and not the result of his play. Same with Kindl, IMO.




#2615456 Sean Avery - Transition Season

Posted by Helmethead on 20 June 2015 - 10:13 AM

Avery always struck me as a guy who thought he was more valuable to a team than he really was. I'll always be grateful that Kenny used him as the main piece to trade for Mathieu Schneider. He had some very good seasons for the Wings.


#2615452 Sean Avery - Transition Season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 June 2015 - 09:54 AM

I thought someone had said that the players don't actually write the articles.  At the bottom Avery is listed as "contributor."

 

I don't doubt he's a smart guy and definite marches to his own drummer, often in an interesting way off the ice.  On the ice he was an idiot though.  And he glosses over the part that he "decided" to retire because no one in the NHL wanted him anymore.  Avery had a great skillset, it just wasn't worth all the baggage and distractions that came with him anymore. 

 

He's still only 35 years old and could still be playing in the NHL if he ever figured out how to be a professional and a good teammate.




#2614795 The Bowman Effect

Posted by rick zombo on 16 June 2015 - 02:08 PM

Several points that tie into each other:

 

-Someone else sees the Bowman effect and it cannot be understated!  Except for Buffalo, who no one can help, the Stanley Cup follows Bowman and I don't think it's coincidence in Chicago either.  14 Cups in one capacity or another plus another 4 Finals appearances where he didn't win, that's 19 Finals appearances since he started in 1967.  If Scotty Bowman is the janitor in your building, that makes you an immediate Cup contender.

 

-The decline really picked up when Brian Rafalski left 2 years after Bowman, if you look at the standings and defense numbers.  Not filling it with a proper partner for Lidstrom and getting a top pair Dmen to replace Lids/Rafalski has been a huge problem that everyone knows about and I don't need to rehash it here. 

 

-Ken Holland needs to go.  He doesn't know why free agents won't come to Detroit, he keeps saying there is no one to land on the free market yet all of our competitors have no problems landing free agents (Tampa, Minnesota...).  I think the Illitches need to look hard at moving Kenny, he is unable to keep up with the modern trends and it shows.  Yzerman went to Tampa and has not been afraid to trade core players, and he signed key defensmen, and has turned the team completely around, he looks like a friggin' genius with what he's done the last few years (trading for Bishop, signing Flip, trading St. Louis, buying out Vinnie, signing Hedman, Stralman, signing super huge goalies and defense, that's not coincidence that whole back end is over 6'5", etc. etc. etc.).  Other GMs also have no problems trading and signing, it's time for a regime change, the era of Holland is not working anymore. 

 

And this team of Yzerman's that is in a "win-now" window barely beat a Wings team that is rebuilding.

 

Holland > Yzerman all day long.




#2614772 The Bowman Effect

Posted by Echolalia on 16 June 2015 - 12:44 PM

I think you're overestimating Bowman's influence and underestimating the strength of the Blackhawks' roster.  Bowman didn't join Chicago's office until after they had acquired Toews, Kane, Keith, and developed a solid supporting cast to help out these generational talents. I'm sure when his son wants his advice on something, Scotty is happy to help him out, but I hardly think that the Blackhawks' success is a result of Scotty Bowman's mastermind.  I think a more accurate scenario is that he's just going along for the ride.

Yzerman also inherited some franchise pieces in Stamkos and Hedman.  And if we're looking for reasons why the Blackhawks and Tampa made it to the finals and the Wings didn't, I think the first place you have to look is at the core of these teams.  As I alluded to, Yzerman's core is in their prime and wouldn't be possible without having those high draft picks.  Chicago's core is in their prime and wouldn't be possible without having high draft picks.  The Wings' core is aging, and is entirely a product of later picks in the draft.  The supporting cast is there for the Wings, but the core isn't what it used to be.  Bringing Yzerman or Bowman or Nill back to Detroit won't change that scenario.  They aren't going to magically bring in players of Toews' and Hedman's calibre, not without the Wings suffering an epic collapse for a few years in a row.  After all, that's how Chicago and Tampa Bay got their elite talent.




#2614765 The Bowman Effect

Posted by Dave on 16 June 2015 - 12:08 PM

I think it has less to do with Bowman, and more to do with Lidstrom.

 

Lidstrom was the driving force behind a lot of the team's success since at least 2002, and perhaps even since '98. I don't think it's a huge surprise that as he aged and declined the team kept slipping further from cup contention. Now that he's gone, the team is NOT a contender.

 

When you have a guy that plays half the game and makes no mistakes, then you can effectively cover up a lot of other weaknesses.




#2609808 Z and Emma expecting

Posted by Mckinley25 on 22 May 2015 - 09:57 PM

Hank and Emma had sex. I'm not sure which one I'm more jealous of...


#2609011 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by F.Michael on 20 May 2015 - 01:41 PM

I won't make that bet.

Agreed.

 

The Leafs roster isn't as bad as many think...They haven't had a good coach since Pat Quinn.