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#2534179 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Playmaker on 13 August 2014 - 05:01 PM

I don't really agree.  He lead the Wings out of the "Dead Wings" era to the Conference finals, was the first draft pick of the Ilitch era and was an established star behind Gretzky and Lemieux, and was universally respected around the league.  I thought of him as an untouchable then.

#2534172 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Playmaker on 13 August 2014 - 03:31 PM

While Yzerman has reached legendary status in Detroit, he was always humble, never showy and in the late 80's there wasn't really such a thing as a "two way forward."   Star players weren't killing penalties and back checking. You were either a scorer or a defensive specialist. I don't know what team some of you were watching in 1988, but Yzerman was definitely a star then.

#2534170 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Playmaker on 13 August 2014 - 03:27 PM

It's impossible to plug one players stats in and say that's what he would have done on this team or that team. 


If the Wings would have acquired Gretzky it also would have lead to other deals and signings that wouldn't have happened.  Would the Wings have tried so hard to get Fedorov to defect with already having Yzerman and Gretzky, and maybe still Oates?   Had they won a Cup in the mid-90s there would have been no Scotty Bowman, no grind line, no Russian 5, no Brendan Shanahan.  I'll take the reality that actually happened, which has been pretty darned good.

#2532595 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Playmaker on 20 July 2014 - 07:12 AM

Meh, add it to the list of all the other things that were supposed to transform Detroit:  Comerica Park, Ford Field, The SuperBowl, the All Star Game, the Casinos, the Cobo Expansion.  I'll believe it when I see it.  There was supposed to be a big entertainment and housing expansion with Comerica and Ford Field, too.


Not getting all the affection for Joe Louis Arena.  That place was a dump even before it opened.  It was totally thrown together without much thought.

#2532467 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by Playmaker on 18 July 2014 - 10:54 AM


Did we hire Darryl Sutter while I wasn't paying attention?  But I digress...



Because I think none of the GM, coach, management, or ownership would prefer to fire someone when they can just let them walk without all the to-do. 


I agree, there aren't many repercussions, but why would you (if given the choice) fire someone if you don't have to?

Yeah, he was so awesome in Calgary and San Jose.

#2532276 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Playmaker on 16 July 2014 - 03:24 PM

So the Powerplay is struggling, whatya have to say about that Mr. Holland?  We've had a lot of injuries.  What's there to follow up on?  What could Chaka Khan or HSJ say to that?  No, you're wrong, it's all your fault for the poor signings?  Gee, guys, you're right, I suck and I'll quit right now.  If it wasn't for your hard hitting reporting and pointing that out, I might not have realized that.


So you signed Danny Cleary when it wasn't popular with the fans, what do you say to THAT?  Well, it was popular with our players and coaches, and that's who I listen to.  I also promised DC that when he chose to come back to the Wings that if he signed with us for a year, I'd give him a second year and we keep our promises, for the good and the bad.  But we think Cleary sucks and we need a defenseman for our PP.  You do????  Oh, well then, I'll tear up the contract and go sign a top rated RH offensive minded D man for the league minimum.  I didn't realize we needed help there.  Thanks for being such good reporters!

#2532244 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Playmaker on 16 July 2014 - 11:43 AM

The media plays an important role as an independent check on any organization that it's covering.  They're always disparaged, and 90% of the time they deserve it, but when they're doing their job everybody is thankful.  I'm sure, if they tried, everyone here can think of a time in which the public was introduced to some (very important) piece of information because a journalist was out there doing his or her job.  So this senseless media bashing is exactly that.


Having said that, I do think that there's some merit to this article.  If only to point out the utter ineptness of the local sports media, in particular.  Put aside the bloggers (I know, it's just opinion), or free agency preferences (I know, they're subjective), and all the recent stuff.  Set it aside.  And even then the recent loss of Tom Renney and hiring of Tony Granato got me thinking...do any of you recall seeing a single article about the decline of our powerplay?  Anybody remember that ever being a question asked of Babs or Holland?  This is just one example, I know, but our powerplay has been getting worse each year for a while now.  One of the justifications for signing Quincey, Sammy, and Alfie was that these guys would help on the powerplay.  The Detroit sports media regurgitated that fact ad nauseam.  And then...no results, and nobody asked a single question.  And this isn't something that involves much subjectivity the way free agency or trades do.  This is a fact. The powerplay stinks.  And nobody bothers to find out why.  If it's brought up at all, it's only to say "the powerplay is bad, here's Babs' or Hollands' ready made quote on the subject", which nobody bothers to follow up on.  Would it have killed someone over at Mlive to put in a call to Red Berensen, or Terry Murray, and see if they had any thoughts...ya know...being experts on the subject and all?  That's bad journalism. 


But can you really blame Khan, St. James, etc. for not asking?  Fans don't want that story.  Hell, the one and only writer in Detroit who isn't afraid to write unpopular articles (Drew Sharpe) is attacked endlessly by fans for being a troll, and then they complain about how no writers are willing to go against the grain.  Hmmm.

Sammy didn't play at all due to injuries, Alfie did help the powerplay while he was healthy and I never recall signing Quincey to help the power play.  WTF do you expect Babs or Holland to say?  Well, gee Keets, the powerplay sucks because Kenny isn't getting me quality players.  It has nothing to do with my ability to coach.  Or gee, that Renney clown has totally sucked ass and hasn't done a damn thing to help out this PP.  When guys like Tortorella ARE actually honest and berate others publicly, fans have a fit and it generally isn't received well be management. And who gives a flying f*** what Red Berensen's opinion of the Wings PP is?   He's a college coach that's a thousand years old.  Mickey Redmond often gives his opinion on things like this, as it is his job, and usually does so honestly without being overly critical of the organization that employs him.

#2532233 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Playmaker on 16 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

I think some fans are confused as to what a journalist is, the difference between a beat reporter, a columnist, etc.


HSJ and Khan are beat reporters.  Their job is to report the daily goings on of the team in a somewhat factual manner. I'm relatively sure I've seen the issues with the power play reported.  HSJ asked Holland about Franzen being bought out, she asked Holland about the unpopularity of Cleary's signing.  What exactly is she supposed to do?  Post nude pics?


Drew Sharp, Mitch Albom, Bob Wojnowski, etc, they are columnists.  Their job is to give their opinions.  If they are too agreeable and don't get readers fired up, they won't have a job long.

#2532223 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Playmaker on 16 July 2014 - 08:52 AM

I don't know why anyone would give a blogger the time of day.  It's like hey, I've got a computer and an opinion, take me seriously.  It's like the bozos that try and diagnose themselves with a medical condition on the internet. 

#2531590 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Playmaker on 11 July 2014 - 02:04 PM


Meh. Would prefer a team on the east or at least central so I can watch the games. 


Being in Boston, might start following the Bruins closer. Though I hate a ton of players on the team, I think Chiarell is the best GM in the NHL. 

If you're in Boston, how do you purchase a half season ticket package?

#2531492 Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

Posted by Playmaker on 11 July 2014 - 08:55 AM

LOL, when other teams change coaches, its like, look at them, they're making changes to improve their team!  So now the Wings might lose Renney, a journeyman coach, and now it's, horrors!  Everyone's leaving!  That's proof we're not a good team!  Really??!?

#2530923 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by Playmaker on 09 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

Right, and they ALL went to contending teams with a chance to win the Cup this year, right? 


Boyle said why he signed in New York as was referenced in the link above.  No big loss not getting a 38 year old already declining.  Parise and Suter made it clear why Minnesota was their choice. The Wings, with good reason, didn't pursue Stralman. Can't really say about Niskanen.  Could be that Orpik signed there, could have been a better financial offer.  I don't know and you don't either.  But the facts are, players don't sign only with up and coming contending teams. 


I mean when fans start pointing to Patrick Eaves signing with Dallas as proof that we're missing out on all the great Free Agents and that he signed there because they are an exciting up and coming team, what else can you really say?


Ken Holland can't win with many fans.  If he had overpaid Niskanen, fans would have complained about that when he (likely) would not have lived up to the contract.  If he trades away a young player for a veteran, he gets s*** for that.  He's supposed to stay under the cap, keep all the young players, sign all the free agents, and keep the team a yearly contender for two decades.  Gotcha. 

#2530887 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by Playmaker on 09 July 2014 - 05:24 PM

You forgot DeKeyser.  Yeah, that guy that shunned Steve Yzerman and Tampa Bay and every other NHL team to sign with the Red Wings, why?  Oh, because he's FROM there.  But that seems irrelevant when it comes to other teams signing players.  


As I've said numerous times before, the Wings are NOT going to contend every year.  If you expect any team to do that for decades at a time, you're dreaming.  A small hand full of the few quality free agents that are available have signed with other teams, most of which are in worse shape than the Red Wings. Ken Holland has made very few blockbuster trades.  I don't expect that to change.

#2530885 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Playmaker on 09 July 2014 - 04:58 PM

ownership won't

If not making the playoffs for a few years, guaranteed being a contender, I think fans and management would go for it.  But ask Edmonton, Calgary, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, etc, how easy it is to turn it around.  All the high draft picks in the world doesn't guarantee a contending team.  It could take a decade or more to turn it around if you start dumping players and create a losing atmosphere.  You also have to have the good fortune to win the draft lottery, have a potential franchise player being in the draft the year you are picking and have an elite scouting staff to recognize those players.  Fans act like oh, we should just miss the playoffs for a year or two, and pick up a few superstars in the draft, and voila, we'll be Stanley Cup Champions in a season or two.  

#2530849 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by Playmaker on 09 July 2014 - 02:09 PM


It's an example of the types of packages Holland either doesn't offer, or does and gets rejected.  I know he didn't offer on Spezza, and you know what I meant. 


You make it seem like Hollands trying his best, and not getting any results, but then ALSO say that people aren't actively avoiding the Wings.  So since we're not getting players, I don't see how both can be true. 

No, I really don't know what you meant.  You referred to the Spezza trade.  I really have no idea what trades Holland or any other GM has offered to any team for any player. 


The Wings are getting players, the Wings just aren't getting EVERY player.  Wings fans seem to "misremember" when it comes to the past.  Most, if not all of the free agents the Wings have "missed out" on have signed with teams worse than the Wings with even less chance at winning the Cup.  Who were all these elite free agents that we used to get that we aren't getting now?  


Personally, I don't think the future looks all the bleak.  Cup favorites?  Probably not next year or maybe the year after that, but they have some talented young players that I'm excited to see how they mature.  The Wings, under Holland, have done a superb job of getting talented players with lower draft picks.