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#2592090 Definition of a real fan

Posted by Playmaker on 10 April 2015 - 03:27 PM

Ok, I am game.


My definition and attitude towards fandom have changed through the years.  Before, I always thought a fan was someone who supported the team through thick and thin.  Now, I believe a fan is someone who enjoys watching said team.  No more, no less.


Lets face facts here, we all want to say we are going to be fans of the Wings for life.  Things change.  Teams change.  In another 20 years, this team may be the dead things again.  Then most of us will go elsewhere and be fans of other teams.  Some may stick around through the thin times, but I don't blame anyone who won't support a team that has a major downturn. 


I know many Chicago fans that stopped supporting the Blackhawks because of what the previous owners were doing to the team.  The blackouts, bad business decisions, and really just giving a big middle finger to the fans was a tough pill to swallow.  Many just abandoned the Blackhawks and supported other teams.  When the owner passed away and his son took over, he made major changes that brought the fans back.


These days, fandom isn't forever.  People change.  Sports clubs change.  We all won't be Wings fans for life.  Some of us may stick with the team, but I don't have an issue with people moving on from one team to support another.


Be a fan of whatever team you would like.  Support the right team with your time and money.  Thats what it all comes down to.

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about "fandom" where he basically said all that you're really cheering for is clothes.  I can see for younger fans how it would be tough.  There's very little or no loyalty with the players or the owners anymore.  Again, Detroit fans are spoiled because so few players leave or are traded (I know many don't see that as a good thing)  But we get plenty of time to form an attachment to the players and not many long term players leave to free agency or are traded.  


There may be a time in the future where the ownership is horrible and there's a lousy product on the ice and I may not like what they do, but I can't see transferring my fandom to another team.  I like players on other teams and respect other organizations, but couldn't see it going farther than that.

#2592009 Definition of a real fan

Posted by Playmaker on 10 April 2015 - 10:54 AM

"Fandom" isn't quantifiable, so it's a non issue.  The "I'm a bigger fan that you are" kind of sounds like playground talk, to be honest.  Like, I'm totally a bigger Justin Bieber fan than you are!


Reactions have more to do with personalities, life experiences, etc.


For me, winning 4 (Should've been 5!) Cups tempers things quite a bit.  I look back now at my younger days at how angry I'd get and I think I wasted way too much time and energy on it.  I was furious when they lost to the Avs in 96, and then when it seemed like they were destined for the same in '97, only for them to come through and win the Cup. Then what happened to Vladdie, kind of put things in a different perspective. Sure, I still get disappointed and frustrated at times because it's just so damn fun when they win.  To have witnessed all those Cups and so many exciting games, not to mention the legendary players, most of whom are just as great off the ice.  Well, our Cup literally runneth over as Wings fans.


Age, logic and common sense have also set in.  The Wings just aren't going to win every year.  No team in any sport does.  Plus, I've been wrong so many times on so many things with the Wings.  I thought they'd for sure lose this series or win that one, was positive this player or that player would never amount to anything, that this coach or GM doesn't know what he's doing.  I nail a few, but in most cases, the true experts usually know best.  I post on a professional board and I know we constantly make fun of the internet "experts" who try and tell us how to do our jobs, because, yanno, they read it on the internet!  I imagine the players, coaches and management of the Wings do the same things. 


Waiting and hoping to be proven wrong again this year. 

#2591939 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Playmaker on 10 April 2015 - 07:11 AM

For me, the disappointment comes with the increased expectations.  With the infusion of youth last season, who have mostly proven to be solid NHL players, the shedding of the dead old veteran weight, relative health of the stars, Weiss ready to go,a supposed bounce back season for Howard, hanging on for a tie and hoping for someone else to lose in game 81 took a little bit of the luster off.  Kind of like if you're down 4-0 and come back to tie it, it feels more like a victory.  If you're up by 3 and you lose in OT, it feels more like a loss, that getting a point.


The Wings aren't lacking talent.  What has killed me all season is the mental mistakes.  Not just last night.  The constant giveaways, bad penalties, horrible line changes, giving up leads late in games.  Not that I had any grand illusions of this team being a solid Cup contender, but when you lose games night after night on mental mistakes, that's a tough pill to swallow.  That's not being negative or not a fan, that's just reality.


That said, when you see teams like LA out, Boston or Pittsburgh likely on the outside looking in, it does make you appreciate the accomplishment of just making the playoffs. 


On a related note, did anyone catch Babcock on the postgame taking what seemed to me to be a backhanded slam at Holland?  He said something to the effect of when I saw what we had on July 5th (meaning we got no free agent help) I didn't think this was a playoff team.  I found that interesting.

#2591936 Defending Champs Eliminated

Posted by Playmaker on 10 April 2015 - 06:52 AM

It would be kind of ironic if they got the top pick.


It does drive home the point that you can do everything right, have a ton of talent, but stuff happens and you don't win. 


It makes the 24 straight years in the playoffs all the more impressive, despite the disappointing way it came about.

#2591785 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Playmaker on 09 April 2015 - 09:43 PM

There are more positive things being said about the Wings in opposing teams' subreddits. I love this forum, I think there are a lot of intelligent people and the moderation is on point but lately, it's been so negative. Do you guys realize that we at currently complaining that we don't like the WAY that our team clinched for the 24th year in a row? That's ridiculous and entitled and spoiled. This team is not "average at best" they are better than average as proven by their record this year. I have not been alive long enough to see them miss the playoffs. Think about that and then put yourselves in the shoes of literally ever other team and try to imagine behaving the same way as you are now.
It is 100% understandable to be critical of aspects of the team play, but to claim the sky is falling after every loss or bad goal is completely absurd. I'm sorry, I love you guys but it's disheartening to see so many "fans" express more hatred toward their own players than they do to the Hawks. We're better than this.

I get what you're saying.  But you're up by one on a ridiculously sweet SHG.  You take one bad penalty, then have a total brain fart on the bench by Smith.  Howard lets in 2 soft goals.  Montreal was not on top of their game tonight.  Three goals on Price and numerous close calls. Then you have to sit and hope thef****** Florida Panthers win.  I'm sure I'll appreciate it later, but right now, doesn't feel like an accomplishment to lose our way in.


Jimmy says he just missed the goal because he was cheating.  

#2591726 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Playmaker on 09 April 2015 - 09:26 PM

Being in the playoffs for the 24th consecutive year should feel better than this.

#2591368 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Playmaker on 09 April 2015 - 08:43 PM

I think the clock is slow

#2590750 Erik Cole out for season, playoffs due to spinal cord contusion

Posted by Playmaker on 08 April 2015 - 04:41 PM

His speed was really a surprise to me.  As much as it sucks for the fans, can't imagine how he's feeling.



Interrupting this post for a brief grammar pet peeve...


Could HAVE, not could "of".


Now back to your previously scheduled programming.

#2590546 4/7 GDT : Carolina Hurricanes 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Playmaker on 07 April 2015 - 09:20 PM

No one to be mad at but the Red Wings for not having already clinched a spot.  Get over the Pens already.

#2590514 4/7 GDT : Carolina Hurricanes 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Playmaker on 07 April 2015 - 09:14 PM

Why does anyone care what Crosby does?

#2590485 4/7 GDT : Carolina Hurricanes 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Playmaker on 07 April 2015 - 09:09 PM

But the Pens got a new coach and GM this year.  Doesn't a new coach change everything?

#2590394 4/7 GDT : Carolina Hurricanes 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Playmaker on 07 April 2015 - 08:48 PM

It's just about that time.  With around 5 minutes or less, a penalty will be called on the Wings.

#2589304 If you don't live in FL... You're not invited to the party

Posted by Playmaker on 05 April 2015 - 01:09 PM


I knew I didn't like you, but couldn't put my finger on it till now...

She understands your jealousy and inferiority complex and forgives you.  Michigan grads aren't only better academically.  ;)

#2589238 If you don't live in FL... You're not invited to the party

Posted by Playmaker on 04 April 2015 - 10:04 PM

StoryTime with BoS (STwBoS)/

I have a great memory from freshman year of college at U of M. It was the UM/MSU game, and our student tix were waaaaay up in the nosebleeds of the student section (like row 92 or something). It was all UM fans and there was a great atmosphere (because this was moons ago when UM football was awesome), and about halfway through the first quarter this guy stands up and rips off his UM shirt to reveal an MSU shirt underneath. Everyone starts hootin' and hollerin', good times were had, then it quiets down. A voice comes out of the stillness, and confidently asks: "Hey bud, do you want all of our scholarships to State? We're not using them." Much raucous laughter ensued, as everyone looked to the person next to them "did you get a scholarship to State? SO DID I!" And the infiltrator snuck out, never to be seen again.

So that's what I imagine it will be like at Bolts games, only with a mass of away fans absolutely DRAGGING the home crowd.

/end STwBoS

Oh, the good old days, when students actually went to games, UM dominated MSU and we had good reason to be arrogant asses  ;) 

#2589218 4/4 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Wild 2 (SO)

Posted by Playmaker on 04 April 2015 - 08:58 PM

We're just treading water folks.  

As long as they don't sink, we're good.