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#2674527 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Aethernum on 29 April 2016 - 06:47 PM

An impatient fan base that expects a Cup every year is what causes teams like Anaheim to fire respected coaches after four straight division titles. He's absolutely dead on about this: If you expect Detroit to compete for the Cup every single year, then in today's league of parity, you are out of your mind. 

 

Making the playoffs every year is as about as reasonable an expectation as you can get. After that, everything is up for grabs. Look at this year: Maybe you'll be the Tampa Bay Lightning and get an easy first round matchup, or maybe you'll be the Chicago Blackhawks and have to face the St. Louis Blues. Would anyone here be disappointed at a first round exit with the quality of play that we saw in the Chicago/St. Louis series? I seriously hope not. Sometimes it just doesn't fall your way.

 

I don't disagree with Holland on this. 




#2674581 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2016 - 12:00 AM

 

Oh great.  So not only is it bad enough the tax payers have to shell out half the money (of which they won't see a cent of profit), but now He doesn't have to pay taxes on it either?  That would be an outrage. 

 

Hypothetically of course idk how the details play out. 

 

All big businesses take advantage of tax breaks. It's nothing new. It's easy to say tax payers will never see a cent, but this is an arena that will be there for decades. Money will be generated in the economy. It's the reason why tax payer money is used in these projects to begin with. If owners had to foot 100% of the bill for these arenas, 90% of the new buildings in the league wouldn't exist. No teams would make any money, where as the economy would still benefit from all the money spent at events all year round. The arena is great for the city, and that's why tax payer dollars go towards it. 

 

For the record, I think corporations getting tax breaks is garbage, but that is a completely different topic fit for somewhere else. But we'd take them as well if we were given the chance. Such is life. 




#2674511 Blashill

Posted by dirtydangles on 29 April 2016 - 04:45 PM

I think the bigger issue is the piss poor attitude our guys are displaying. I don't remember players coming out in the media like this complaining. Be a professional and discuss these things with the coach and GM rather than going through the media. Grow up. This isn't how the red wings do things.




#2674487 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 April 2016 - 02:52 PM

I am one of the BIGGEST Holland critic here, but I heard the excerps and then watched the entire presser.  The quotes are for sure taken out of context.

 

I think he means by "less is more exciting" and "if you expect Cups, you're in the wrong league" that when the fans realize they need to lower their yearly expectations, they may enjoy the seasom much more.  Now, I am not saying its ok to NOT expect a Cup, but we all know you just cannot win it every year.  He said we're here to win Cups not just make the playoffs, but the fans also need to realize that after 25 years of making the playoffs and winning 4 Cups in that span, you don't always get the best players in the draft.  Plus, the fact that the Cap is here, and instead of 4-6 teams being favorites every season, there are 25 teams that can make the playoffs and compete for it, so not landing the top UFA's like those 4-6 teams used to (or even be on a players "accept a trade to" list) is something the fans need to get used to as well.  Does anyone really think that if there wasn't a cap making virtually every team competitive that we'd have lost out on Suter/Parise or Niskanen?  When the wallet is bottomless and payroll can be limitless, we'd still be favorites every year.

 

I too, think that if all expectations to win a Cup every season, were lowered a bit, we may enjoy the competition to get to the playoffs.  He said, he plans on being agressive with trades at the draft, he is going to move younger players up the roster and bring up more kids from GR.  He said he needs to change the style and makeup of the team, and is already planing on NOT having Datsyuk.  He will trade the contract if he can find a taker but he won't trade it if that taker wants to deplete out minors or draft picks.  He is ok with taking the cap hit for one year to protect the likes of AA, Larkin, Bertuzzi, etc... and high draft picks.  I think he means it this time.  I think, even though ownership said that they support him 100%, that he was told, do something or we won't be so supportive in the near future...

 

I like that he said he'd like to have Helm, but he understands that he needs to make a family decision because this is a very important contract for Helm and is prepared to move on without him.  I really think we won't see any other re-siging of our UFA's outside of the possible Helm deal.  Also, VERY excited about his opinion that Howard has to be traded (paraphrasing) because he cannot have so much money in a goalie combo.  Something I've been saying for two seasons.

 

 

Here is a link to the entire presser for those who haven't seen it...

 

youtube.com/watch?v=SlkPQejiHCo




#2674479 New arena construction updates

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2016 - 02:25 PM

Though I've loved going to the Joe, the concourse had all the soul and atmosphere of a parking garage. I think the Joe was objectively a pretty crappy arena: inconvenient parking, trough bathrooms, UGLY from the outside, the inconvenient staircase entrance on one side, those shady portal walkways to get to the rink (went there with my Grandpa and he had trouble with the all the walking it took to get there), in a desolate part of town (maybe too harsh, but little is around it and it isn't a warm feeling part of town).

 

People learn to love those dingy aspects and call them character, but it was time for a change. History comes with time passing. I'm sure The Joe was criticized for it's modern design at some point. 

 

It seems as if the only thing about an arena Wings fans care about is the name of it. I'm glad all I give a crap about is the experience I have while I'm there. 

 

I also think the LCA is a pretty decent nickname for the place. Not the end of the world, as some make it seem. 

 

The whole thing reminds me of when a website like Facebook changes. Everyone flips out, complains for a week, then forgets about it. Come puck drop in October nobody will care any more. 




#2674409 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by amato on 29 April 2016 - 06:05 AM

 
The fact is this:
- The Wings need one NOW and
- they need one for the future plus

- a top 6 center NOW
 
this can't be fixed in one off-season which is freaking scary.


Trouba = both of these things. He's 22. Plus he's good size, a Michigan boy, and right handed in addition to his good play and high ceiling. He's a no brainer trade target imo


#2674135 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 April 2016 - 06:41 AM

To be fair Buppy, I don't think Rich was saying "I told you so" to anyone in particular here, I think that original comment was more so directed toward Holland and his "spare part in the Calder Cup playoffs a year ago" comment... I could be wrong though. Regardless, he was just posting about how he was doing in the playoffs so far, and he's been doing very well down there. He also responded to Dickie's comment about how "Mantha was not good", with "pure craziness. he was good. he wasn't great", and I couldn't agree more with that statement. The thing that is getting confused here is that no one here is saying Mantha is elite or would have put us over the top, but we are saying that he is a very good young player, and he could have definitely helped in the Red Wings playoff run...

 

How is it premature to say he made the team better, when the stats showed that our power-play was much better with him in the lineup? Was it a coincidence? Maybe, but you don't completely dismiss the idea that maybe he was actually a difference maker out there. I believe he was, others don't, including Blashill, but when our power-play was literally the reason we lost that series and was more deflating to the team than positive, something should have been changed... Maybe you try what worked a couple weeks previous, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but it would have certainly been worth a try...

 

Yes, he really should have been compared to Andersson because that's who he should have displaced in the lineup. Andersson should have been out because like you said, he barely played, and wasn't even used a whole lot in the situations Blashill claimed he needed him in for. Just because player B subs in for player A, doesn't necessarily mean that player B assumes the same role in the lineup. If Andersson comes out, a much better player that was currently in the top 6, like Helm for example, moves down to Andersson's position in the lineup, and Mantha moves into the top 6. Helm is MUCH better than Andersson, so he instantly makes the line of Athanasiou - Andersson Helm - Tatar much better. Mantha then gets inserted into the top 6 on Pavs's line and all of a sudden the Richards - Datsyuk - Helm Mantha line is maybe slightly better as well.. I love Helm but he's much better suited for the bottom 6, and if one of those missed Helm opportunities had been capitalized on by Mantha, maybe it's a difference maker in a game, and in turn a difference maker in the series. Again, not saying we definitely win with Mantha in the lineup, but I do believe the series would have been a little tighter with him in there over Andersson...

 

Does comparing Mantha to a player that by rights shouldn't even be in the NHL mean he's great? Nope, and no one is saying that he is. But he is good, and he should have been in the lineup.

 

Anyway, that's the last I will say about how he "should" have been in the lineup... Now, all I'll say is he "better" be in the lineup to start next season...




#2674226 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by jfranzen on 28 April 2016 - 01:48 PM

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#2674202 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 28 April 2016 - 12:19 PM

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#2674186 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by amato on 28 April 2016 - 11:36 AM

Just like their pizza this name is blah.


Just put the name in foil and in the fridge and take it to lunch tomorrow.. It'll be acceptable enough after you reheat it in the microwave.


#2674165 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by amato on 28 April 2016 - 10:53 AM

I can see it now: "And here we are live from the Little Caesar's Arena for tonight's matchup. The players sure are looking Hot n Ready to play!"  




#2674092 Mantha

Posted by kickazz on 27 April 2016 - 08:29 PM

Since you brought it up, Larkin had...... 2 goals in his first 10 games. Same as Mantha. Larkin did have 5 assists to Mantha 1.


That's a pretty significant difference in points. That's why I didn't think sending Mantha back down was their worst decision. I did however think Andersson coming up instead was what made the situation stupid overall.


#2674072 ECSF : New York Islanders vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by Euro_Twins on 27 April 2016 - 08:01 PM

Lol two periods into a best of 7 series. This forum is ridiculous at times


#2674011 Random Discussion Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 27 April 2016 - 11:33 AM

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#2673797 Ownership shows Support for Kenny Holland

Posted by krsmith17 on 26 April 2016 - 08:57 AM

This year is weaker than years previous, and next year and so on will be weaker again, that's the way the NHL is going. Teams are locking up their stars, so not near as many hit the open market, hence the importance of drafting and developing...

 

I've stated my opinion on this so many times now, but here it is again. Like you said, we're not getting any of the top "current" defensemen, aka Doughty, Weber, Pietrangelo, etc. The key is looking for young, up and coming defenders, that you think have a chance to develop into the next wave of elite defensemen. Who that is? I'm not sure, but they're out there.

 

I want us to go hard after Jacob Trouba, not because I think he is an elite defenseman, but because I think he has all the tools and potential to become an elite defenseman in a few years. I also think he is better than the majority of what we have on our blueline right now, and even if he doesn't hit his ceiling, he will still be a very solid second pairing defenseman. So we can go after a Keith Yandle and pay him $6+M to be our second pair defenseman, basically a left handed Mike Green, or we can package together a deal that could bring Jacob Trouba in with a floor of second pair defenseman and ceiling of elite top pair defenseman...