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#2605534 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kickazz on 02 May 2015 - 01:02 AM

 

While I don't disagree with your logic, I will say this.  Tatar and Nyquist have outperformed Datsyuk and Zetterberg (both regular season and playoffs) at similar points in their careers.  Dats and Z weren't very good in the playoffs at all during their first few years.  And they were about the same ages when they came into the league (arguably both with MORE experience than Nyquist or Tats). 

 

I agree, there's nothing to guarantee that either of these guys will be stars.  But based on the information we have, and observation and comparison to our last two stars, I don't think it's out of the question either.  At the very least it's premature to think these two guys are don't improving given their respective ages and experience levels.  Consistent 65-70 point seasons is not out of the question for either of them.  Which isn't super star talent, but isn't anything to scoff at either. 

Wrong.

 

Nyquist in 4 seasons -

 

Season: 179 Games played - 115 points. PPG 0.64

Playoffs: 30 Games played - 7 points PPG 0.23

 

Zetterberg in 4 seasons - 

Season: 280 Games played - 240 points. PPG 0.85

Playoffs: 40 Games played - 25 points PPG 0.625

 

Statistically, Zetterberg was better in his first 4 seasons in both playoffs and in regular season than Nyquist.

 

Datsyuk in 4 seasons - 

Season: 284 Games played - 241 points. PPG 0.85

Playoffs: 42 Games played - 21 points PPG 0.5

 

 

Datsyuk had the same exact Point per game ratio in his first 4 seasons as Zetterberg  and still higher than Nyquist in his first four seasons. Datsyuk's playoff numbers were inferior to Zetterberg's in his first 4 seasons but it was still better than Nyquists.

 

Can't look at Tatar's number's quiet yet as he's only played 2 legitimate seasons and playoffs. 

 

Both Zetterberg and Datsyuk also killed penalties and had more responsibilities than Tatar and Nyquist did (or ever will, they simply are not even close to being as good defensively as the other two were). 




#2605533 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 02 May 2015 - 12:21 AM

 

If the Jack Adams was legit, Babs would win it almost every season. But when it comes down to it, the Jack Adams should be re-branded "Most Improved Team Award"

He didn't win it when the team won the presidents trophy and was the best in the league. He didn't win it when the team overcame injuries and got into the playoffs either. If he can't win it when both extremes happens, you know there's something the hell wrong with the league. He should have gotten it last year with all the man games lost and the way we still got into the playoffs. He took a bunch of AHL players and turned them into pro hockey players on the fly. 

 

NHL is ridiculous. 




#2605397 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by kickazz on 01 May 2015 - 02:17 PM

 

http://www.freep.com...wings/26715027/

 

That's some positive sounding dialogue.

Jesus. I just watched the video in the link. He was trying really hard to hold back his tears. I feel terrible for Babs, he really took the loss to his heart it seems like. In 10 years, I've never seem him that let down. 

 

He must have really meant it when he said "I think this is the best team we've had since 2009". 


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#2605139 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 30 April 2015 - 05:13 PM

Pretty sure the talk with Holland is going to go something like :

 

Holland - "We'd love to keep you, 5 million dollar offer"

 

Babs - "Um are you going to get your s*** together and get me some real players?"

 

Holland - "Yes I promise"

 

Babs - "Nah I'm calling your bluff, f*** off Kenny, I'll see you in hell"

 

The world will never know. 




#2605073 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 30 April 2015 - 02:07 PM

Like it or not but Edmonton has become a much better option now with Nichelson at the helm and winning the next great player. Their center depth is insane and still very young, some wingers will be traded fire defensive help and soon Nurse will be ready. Then there's also Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Anaheim all teams that are contenders now and who's stars are still in their prime. Why would Babcock stay? The guy is ultra competitive, he has seen the decline of Z and Pasha and he is as much concerned as some others are.

A lot of those aforementioned teams currently have coaches. Can't assume that they all will fire their current coaches and wait for an answer from Babs. 

 

Babs will get a hell of an offer from Toronto. I think his next best offer will be the Red Wings. I wouldn't be surprised at all of Detroit matches Toronto's offer. The Red Wings are quiet a rich franchise. 




#2604817 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kickazz on 30 April 2015 - 12:03 AM

A legitimate center and a legitimate defenseman that can play 27+ minutes a game and a PURE goal scorer. 

 

Wishful  thinking. But those 3 are what we need. If you consider Tatar and Nyquist as goal scorers, you're kidding yourself. 




#2604692 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 29 April 2015 - 10:15 PM

 

I hope you're joking. 

Well with people ripping on Z and talking about Babs packing his bags and Howard being sent on a flight to Mars because Mrazek is for sure #1. Why would Tortorella not sound unrealistic? 




#2604673 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 29 April 2015 - 10:09 PM

Tortorella




#2604596 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by kickazz on 29 April 2015 - 09:46 PM

I say play Z on the second line next year with Sheahan and Nyquist, First line Tats Abby and Datsyuk, third Franzen Helm and Jurco fourth Luke Landon and Miller

Franzen may not appear in a game ever again unfortunately. I hope he does. 




#2602941 Predictions: Game 7 vs. TBL

Posted by kickazz on 28 April 2015 - 07:42 PM

How ironic would it be if tomorrow's game goes to overtime and whoever the Defencemen that's replacing Kronwall ends up scoring the game winner? 




#2602766 Kronwall suspended one game

Posted by kickazz on 28 April 2015 - 02:29 PM

 

cmon, Howard shoulda had that :P

Mrazek wuda had it




#2602707 Predictions: Game 7 vs. TBL

Posted by kickazz on 28 April 2015 - 12:19 PM

Glendening (Luke -Skywalker), Mrazek (Hans), Pav (Obiwan), help us. You are our only hope. 




#2602698 ECQF Game 6 GDT : Lightning 5 at Red Wings 2 - Series Tied 3-3

Posted by kickazz on 28 April 2015 - 11:54 AM

 

That's not entirely true. He had 8 in 2007. Datsyuk had to deal with a lot of injuries around the playoffs for years. Bad luck really, but that was the contributing factor to his lack of scoring in the playoffs at times earlier in his career. That, and the whole team around him struggling to score. I can't remember which year it was at this point, but during one of our playoff runs, I know for a fact that he could barely walk. He was hobbling around in "real life" but still playing and trying to help. Unfortunately, at times injuries are just too hard to overcome, limiting your ability to be productive.

 

I will say that I think Datsyuk has gotten better at battling through injuries over the years. Even this year, it's beyond evident that's he's not 100% recovered from what's been ailing him, but he's still come up big for us several times.

No. The previous poster is correct. From 2002-2007 or so Datsyuk was a pretty bad playoff performer. That's about 5 years of poor playoff performance. He was often criticized for it. (I remember there was even a segment on the local channel 4 in Detroit talking about it) He did not have any major injuries that caused him to "hobble" around. I've never heard of that. He had a knee injury in the mid 2000s but it wasn't anything like what he had last year. His orthopedic physicians and sports medicine doctor are a few colleagues I work with. He CURRENTLY has issues and those only started a few years ago. Datsyuk, despite recent injuries was one of the most well kept bodies and amongst the healthiest in the league. He's actually very well known for his healthy lifestyle and self training. There's a reason he's aged very well compared to other players even at age 36. 

 

His breakout performance was in 2007 and 2008. In 2009 he had a terrible playoff record I think it was like 9 points in 15 games and only 1 goal. (But I also tihnk he may have been worn out or there may have been an injury). But since 2009 Pasha picked it up and has been a good playoff performer. Z on the other hand... This may be the first year in his entire career that he's had a piss poor playoff performance. I think that's whats shocking most of us here. Especially because Z never had excuses, he put up playoff points even while he was injured. Hell he even played 2 games in Boston last season  only after a few months of back surgery and actually put up 2 points. That's why I've been a bit skeptical about Z. Injuries didn't affect his playoff performance before. Why now? No there's something else that's hurting his play. Maybe the hit to the head from Jamie Benn really screwed up his hockey IQ? Who the hell knows. 




#2602556 ECQF Game 6 GDT : Lightning 5 at Red Wings 2 - Series Tied 3-3

Posted by kickazz on 28 April 2015 - 01:18 AM

 

Really? Between the roster and the pipeline, we have, I think, a number of potential candidates. Abdelkader, Glendening, Nyquist, Sheahan, Helm, DeKeyser, Larkin, Nastasiuk...I've no doubt that by the time Z's career is done, there will be an obvious successor.

I don't think so. I can't speak for Larkin or Nastasiuk quiet yet, but none of the other names are superstar status. Pav and Z are potential candidates for hall of fame and Zetterberg holds quiet a few franchise records. I think with the Red Wings, you can't just give the captaincy to anyone, it's got to be players who are really special in the league/organization. I mean I love Abby, Glendening and Dekeyser but these guys aren't "superstars" like Delveccio, Lindsay, Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom, or even Zetterberg were in their prime. Although a lot of people have been disappointed with Zetterberg (even me - although I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt and supporting him), it seems like many have forgetten just who he was when he came into the league and all the way until 2009 or so. The guy was probably the most complete player in the league next to Datsyuk the only upside was he did it in both regular season and playoffs. Not to mention he was extremely humble about it. That's the type of captain the Red Wings organization would seek imo. Who knows Larkin could be the guy to be that way. 




#2602508 ECQF Game 6 GDT : Lightning 5 at Red Wings 2 - Series Tied 3-3

Posted by kickazz on 27 April 2015 - 09:36 PM

he was hurt but still played he had an excuse.. from what I know Z is perfectly healthy yes he had the back surgery but I guess I just wasn't ready for this in a way i'm really sad, this is the end of an era.. I didn't think it would affect him like this 

He isn't healthy, he's missing a piece of his spinal vertebrae in his back. He was treated to just "continue playing" Not to come back rejuvenated.