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#2624619 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kickazz on Yesterday, 10:18 AM

I'm sure it's taken out of context but if not this is a very unpleasant way to say thank you to the best coach in all of hockey. And while we are at it it would have also been time for Z to play like a captain in the playoffs so that's that.

No it's a straight up message check out the interview video.


Maybe Z sucked in the playoffs because the "best coach in all of hockey" was too stale to play for. ;)


Cool fact - Steve Yzerman had only 4 assists in 8 playoff games and a -4 rating in the 2000 playoffs. That was his version of "not playing like a captain in the playoffs". Funny thing is he also lead the regular season in points just like Z did. 


It happens. Even to the guys in your avatar. 

#2624589 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kickazz on 03 September 2015 - 11:53 PM

Today I learned Franzen = Cleary

In other news, Lobster = Skittles

Cleary should retire for the sake of my health not his.

#2624570 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kickazz on 03 September 2015 - 09:28 PM

So basically, everyone who knows more  than the casual fan is either on board with, or at least hasn't outright rejected, a comeback.  And yet we've still got fans who think he shouldn't, and who are predicating that thought on A) details of his health they aren't privy to, or B) general considerations about quality of life that his, and his family's, preferences seem to invalidate. 


Which makes these fans motives seem dishonest. 

Perhaps we should all be honest and lay it on out here then. This back and forth and baiting and mocking is getting pretty old. (This isn't directed at you btw just in general)


I'd like to discuss the topic, which him being back on ice and his weekly updates to the media. Not about how so and so said that their grandmother had a thing with Hossa so they dislike him and preferred Franzen who was supposed to marry their daughters nieces sister. And somehow all of this makes Franzen lazy and he should retire and whoever said he retires obviously hates the grandmother and should be policed. 


Or something along those lines. 



For the record consider the fact that Franzen may have simply stated his family is supportive to avoid the situation from being more dramatic than it already is. 


Had he said "Oh yea my wife does not want me to play, she wants me to have a normal brain not a mashed one" 


The reporters would have jumped on that and so would we. 

#2624568 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kickazz on 03 September 2015 - 09:07 PM


I never understood that whole contract demands = entitlement argument.  He didn't hold out for more money.  He wanted to leave because he was tired of playing second fiddle on Yzerman's team.  He wanted to be a leader, he wanted to be "the guy" on a team.  And he was quite clearly capable of being that.  He was, after all, the best player on earth. 


Being the best, wanting to be recognized as the best, and wanting to prove it by carrying your own team, doesn't scream "entitlement" to me.  It seems like the exact opposite.  IMO he would have been entitled if he chased big money while riding Yzerman, and Shanahan, and Hull, and Lidstrom's coattails. 


When he first came into the league, Crosby was entitled.  He hadn't earned anything, and wanted the benefit of the doubt all the time.  In his mind, he was a star when he was still a rookie.  Fedorov was never, ever, that way.  Like I said before, he worked his way to the top and left because he could never be recognized for it on Yzerman's team

Just to play devils advocate though, wouldn't that make him selfish if not entitled then? There's times where I feel like Zetterberg plays in Datsyuk's shadows but you don't see him whining about it.


At the end of the day people loved Yzerman, but they sure loved Fedorov too. Scotty loved the guy. 


It's hard when you're the best player in your prime but you have a captain on the team that's a world class player who is basically leaving his prime. Yzerman was that popular Canadian y'know?

#2624469 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kickazz on 02 September 2015 - 05:21 PM

Ya, the cup win in '97 was the greatest feeling after waiting so many years, and after the Finals loss in '95. I remember watching the game with my dad who is a Wings fan also and saw them through some of their their lowest points, how happy he was. And thinking of my late grandfather, another life long Wings fan, how happy he would have been if he could have seen it after watching in futility since the last cup in '55. Then the repeat in '98 was just unreal. Great memories.

Never saw my Grandfather tear up. Till the 97 cup. He was so happy. 

#2623794 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kickazz on 24 August 2015 - 01:57 PM

Everyone is expecting the worst, but who knows, maybe the time off helped. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the longest amount of time he has ever had off due to concussion related issues? He hasn't played a game since January 6th, that is almost 8 months ago. Maybe the last few times he came back to quickly. After Crosby took that long extended period of time off, he seemed to be fully recovered.


Now before I am blasted, I am not saying this is what I think, my gut tells me he should retire and that the chances of him getting another concussion are very high. BUT, my point is that you never know. IF he comes back 100% healthy and doesn't suffer another concussion, this is a huge addition to our team.

Ya don't get blasted for common sense ;)


Yeah should, but doesn't look like he plans on it. In fact the tweet shows he's going to try full contact training camp, so we see if that works and take possible healthy Franzen and his goals he can provide. 


The Crosby main injury situation was different no? I thought he had a spinal/neck issue and needed chiropractic therapy for like a year. I actually went to a seminar of the guy from Life University that did his case, apparently it was a miracle that it worked out so well for Crosby. 

#2623772 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kickazz on 23 August 2015 - 04:49 PM


I understand what you are getting at, and in theory that sounds good, but concussions don' work that way. Its not as if player A has had 4 concussions and player B has had 2, player A has twice the damage as B. One major concussion can have a much harsher effect then many little one's. Plus if you have a specific number attached to how many games a guy has to miss, or when a guys career is over, players will stop reporting minor concussions.


Further research needs to be done in concussions so they can better assess the damage to the brain. Though this is much easier said that done.


All the NHL can do right now is eliminate things that are unnecessary that cause concussions, and have their doctors to their best to assess weather or not a player should play. In the case of Franzen, I'm surprised any doctor would give him the okay, but then again, I dont know what they know.

It's true that a major concussion would be worse than a few minor ones but at the same time Franzen has had something close to 10 right? However minor those 10 maybe, that's still a high number. And it makes sense that he's had it rough because this last concussion he was out for 6 months. I mean the guy was really out for 6 months, couldn't even play with his little kids without getting dizzy. This has been a reaaaally slow recovery for him. That's not a good prognosis.


I'm just curious to see how the doctors gave him the green light for this. 


I can smell a potential lawsuit in 10-15 years from now. 


If it was me, I'd hang it up, but it's not me and I'm not a pro player that has hockey as his career. Franzen's vested interest in this sport is something some of us won't understand as we aren't in his shoes. If he wants to play, he will play. That's the bottom line here. 


I want Stanley brought back to Detroit, and I think a healthy Franzen would be vital for it. I guess that's kind of selfish on my part as a fan. 

#2622290 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by kickazz on 04 August 2015 - 11:04 PM

Well come on, this is american media we are talking about. taking things out of context is what gets you ratings and/or attention. 


Slava fetisov is enemy. You not changing anyones mind on that! 

I shall now commence watching Fox news about middle eastern politics and Donald Trump. 




I'm not saying it's justified to restrict them (if that was TRULY what he is proposing; which for the record he isn't, don't get suckered in), if it was the other way around, as an american it would suck quite a bit if our players ended up going overseas to play. 


I'd do what was possible to keep em here. Now how would you do it? Has to be a right way eh? 

#2622266 Stadium series Wings vs Avs 2016!

Posted by kickazz on 04 August 2015 - 05:22 PM

McCarty should beat the s**** out of Lemieux for old times sake. Out of no where too. Would be hilarious. 


And with today's p****fied NHL he would probably get sentenced to jail. 

#2622158 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by kickazz on 03 August 2015 - 01:02 PM

Some people are watching the games, instead of looking at spreadsheets and notebooks. If Toews were an ufa today 28 teams would be lining up with even more money than his 10,5 he is that valuable. Most people that think he isn't a top 10 player should watch the games.

I've watched him play about 25 or so games this past year he's a great player but not top 3 on ice. I'm usually more impressed when I watch Tavares and Stamkos play. Last season I enjoyed Backstrom a good amount. 

Some of us like maths but others also like watching and playing hockey. Call us well rounded if you must XD

I usually DVR all Wings games if I can't watch live. And Comcast/Xfinity does a decent job of saving prime time games for NHL network. That's how I get to watch Chicago, LA games (where I can watch Kopitar)

#2622078 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by kickazz on 02 August 2015 - 01:07 PM

I dont even want to post this but seems obvious to me its Toews and Toews. Not saying Hank is not great but he never had the skill Toews has. Leadership and heart are probably edge to Hank since I feel he did more with less (talent and teammates) That being said I guess its not that obvious for in prime I would vote for Equal if I could. p.s. I can't wait for the blackhawks to fall off the face of the earth again.

You can't just say "Hank never had the skill Toews has" without giving some good details to this. 


Here I'll say it.


Zetterberg (in prime) was better than Toews (in prime) in all aspects of hockey except faceoffs and shootouts. Everything else. Z was better. If someone can prove otherwise I'm all ears.... 

This is the point of this thread. Lot of people want to say Toews was better. Or Z was better. But not much is said when asked about HOW Toews is better.


"Well TSN said it so it must be true" 

#2622074 Free agents this off season

Posted by kickazz on 02 August 2015 - 11:18 AM



They settled before the arbitrator award but I do have to wonder how ugly it got. The Leafs first counter offer was below what he made last season.  Not a great way to treat your starter. 

Bernier - : "How many times do I need to bail out our s**** defense? Exactly" - Walks away. 

Reimer's confidence is under the gutter unfortunately. Toronto ruined him. 

#2622066 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by kickazz on 02 August 2015 - 12:39 AM

I'm interested to know why people think Toews in his prime is better than Z in his prime.


Also why he's better than Z currently. 

I'm all ears honestly. 

#2622058 Then and Now: Tatar vs Hudler

Posted by kickazz on 01 August 2015 - 06:53 PM

If Tatar and Nyquist replicate their numbers this upcoming season it's safe to say their perfomances weren't flukes and they will be top league players in a year or two. Additionally if it does happen, I would put both above Hudler in terms of potential. 


Hudler had a great season last year but he's late into his prime now and I'm not sure if there's anymore upside. Tatar and Nyquist are still young and can only get better. 

I know it's Tatar vs. Hudler but I had to throw Gus in there for added perspective 


edit - flukes not FLUES.. lol. 

#2621984 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by kickazz on 31 July 2015 - 11:43 PM

There's been a lot of discussion of this on two different threads and it always seems to pop up here and there so I thought I'd create it's own and put this argument to rest via poll and discussion. 


Who do you think is better in their respective prime Toews or Zetterberg?


Who do you think is better currently? 


Try to eliminate the bias that you probably hate the Blackhawks and love the Red Wings. And pretend like Z and Toews were on different teams. Neither on the Red Wings nor Blackhawks. (Help remove bias)