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#2608533 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 19 May 2015 - 11:31 AM

Man the Babcock frenzy is really getting to some people. Thank god the decision comes tomorrow before someone gets an aneurysm.

#2607582 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 13 May 2015 - 07:46 PM


That's what is coming out of Edmonton ... I love it!  Sorry Mikey, no McConnor for you.  


Todd McLellan to coach Edmonton barring 'major collapse': Report (Elliotte Friedman)


So as of now Babs two best options are Buffalo and Toronto? 





#2607542 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 13 May 2015 - 03:37 PM

Babcock is a defensive minded coach... Why do you think two way players have flourished so much under him lol. I agree with you Euro just saying this for others

He might be a defensive minded coach but It's moreso the Red Wings style as a whole. 


We're had defensive minded players since the 90's long before Babs came around. Yzerman, Draper, Federov to name a few. It's just a tradition passed down by the players. Z and D learned from their predecessors and they will pass it down to the young guys as well. Lead by example.  

#2607203 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 11 May 2015 - 02:51 PM

Agreed. Babcock is completely overrated. He has won at all levels, yeah, but he's had completely stacked teams. I could win at the Olympics if I had Canada's team. The Red Wings have completely underperformed with him as head coach. I don't even want Blashill if he is just like Babcock.

He's also happened to take the Wings to the playoffs with his superstars injured and having most man games lost last season.

He's also happened to take the Wings with a terrible defensive unit to game 7 against Blackhawks of 2013, probably one of the most talented teams that year.

He also outcoached the hell out of Bruce Boudraeu in game 7 in 2013 round 1.

Babcock isn't overrated. He's not underrated. He's rated perfectly fine. He's done it all. He's won championships with championship teams and he's gone far with subpar roster teams. (Anaheim 2003).

The past few years he's been trying to make a sub par roster into champions and hasn't been able to do so. Big whoop. I'd like to see other coaches try. I'll bet my life savings that many of you will regret it come march 2016 if we don't even make playoffs.

Remember the Scotty Bowman to Dave Lewis transition? Almost the same roster with a different coach. First round elimination under Lewis. Oh btw, Scotty also won with stacked rosters.

#2606958 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 10 May 2015 - 02:07 AM

He's as good as gone in my view. If he wanted to stay why look at what others have to offer, may look a classy move by the Wings but it's less than classy by Babcock by actually doing it. Give Blashill the gig and tell Babs the contract offer is off the table. We can then move on with a good young up and coming coach who knows first hand what we have in the minors and won't be unsure as how to use them.

Nothing wrong with looking at options in life. Sometimes people need assurance before they decide to stick with something or even to move on.

If you were offered a job at say Google and you currently work for Apple, there's no one who wouldn't at the very least look at what benefits Google has to offer even if they're content at working where they're at. Babcock is doing what any normal person in his position would do. He's weighing his options. Nothing classy or classless about it.

Also I'm not sure why people are assuming Blashill is somehow the better option when not even the organization itself does. Sure he's worked with the AHL roster but so has Babcock. For 10 years now actually. That's longer than Blashill.

If babs stays, the Wings organization gets what it wants. If not they will interview Blashill. Nothing more or less to it.

#2606910 Kronwall

Posted by kickazz on 09 May 2015 - 02:25 PM

Ok he may not be the best at any specific category. But he is elite at Kronwalling. ;)

#2606795 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 08 May 2015 - 05:29 PM

We have a ton of leadership in the locker room that goes a long way, I don't see too much changing. Losing Babs will be a transition but not like what your making it out to be. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Losing babs for say someone other than Blashill could actually bring a whole different change. Coaching style is an important aspect in this league. If we end up with the likes of Tortorella (just an example), that could dramatically change the locker room and on-ice work ethic and discipline. 


Our best bet is Blashill because he's been groomed to work in the same system as Babs. I still think Babs is the best option. Except of course the options are his to take not the Wings. 


The point is, there will definitely be a change in atmosphere with a new coach. Good or bad, who knows. But a coaching change does have an big impact. Especially in this league. 

#2605534 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kickazz on 02 May 2015 - 01:02 AM


While I don't disagree with your logic, I will say this.  Tatar and Nyquist have outperformed Datsyuk and Zetterberg (both regular season and playoffs) at similar points in their careers.  Dats and Z weren't very good in the playoffs at all during their first few years.  And they were about the same ages when they came into the league (arguably both with MORE experience than Nyquist or Tats). 


I agree, there's nothing to guarantee that either of these guys will be stars.  But based on the information we have, and observation and comparison to our last two stars, I don't think it's out of the question either.  At the very least it's premature to think these two guys are don't improving given their respective ages and experience levels.  Consistent 65-70 point seasons is not out of the question for either of them.  Which isn't super star talent, but isn't anything to scoff at either. 



Nyquist in 4 seasons -


Season: 179 Games played - 115 points. PPG 0.64

Playoffs: 30 Games played - 7 points PPG 0.23


Zetterberg in 4 seasons - 

Season: 280 Games played - 240 points. PPG 0.85

Playoffs: 40 Games played - 25 points PPG 0.625


Statistically, Zetterberg was better in his first 4 seasons in both playoffs and in regular season than Nyquist.


Datsyuk in 4 seasons - 

Season: 284 Games played - 241 points. PPG 0.85

Playoffs: 42 Games played - 21 points PPG 0.5



Datsyuk had the same exact Point per game ratio in his first 4 seasons as Zetterberg  and still higher than Nyquist in his first four seasons. Datsyuk's playoff numbers were inferior to Zetterberg's in his first 4 seasons but it was still better than Nyquists.


Can't look at Tatar's number's quiet yet as he's only played 2 legitimate seasons and playoffs. 


Both Zetterberg and Datsyuk also killed penalties and had more responsibilities than Tatar and Nyquist did (or ever will, they simply are not even close to being as good defensively as the other two were). 

#2605533 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 02 May 2015 - 12:21 AM


If the Jack Adams was legit, Babs would win it almost every season. But when it comes down to it, the Jack Adams should be re-branded "Most Improved Team Award"

He didn't win it when the team won the presidents trophy and was the best in the league. He didn't win it when the team overcame injuries and got into the playoffs either. If he can't win it when both extremes happens, you know there's something the hell wrong with the league. He should have gotten it last year with all the man games lost and the way we still got into the playoffs. He took a bunch of AHL players and turned them into pro hockey players on the fly. 


NHL is ridiculous. 

#2605397 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by kickazz on 01 May 2015 - 02:17 PM




That's some positive sounding dialogue.

Jesus. I just watched the video in the link. He was trying really hard to hold back his tears. I feel terrible for Babs, he really took the loss to his heart it seems like. In 10 years, I've never seem him that let down. 


He must have really meant it when he said "I think this is the best team we've had since 2009". 

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#2605139 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 30 April 2015 - 05:13 PM

Pretty sure the talk with Holland is going to go something like :


Holland - "We'd love to keep you, 5 million dollar offer"


Babs - "Um are you going to get your s*** together and get me some real players?"


Holland - "Yes I promise"


Babs - "Nah I'm calling your bluff, f*** off Kenny, I'll see you in hell"


The world will never know. 

#2605073 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 30 April 2015 - 02:07 PM

Like it or not but Edmonton has become a much better option now with Nichelson at the helm and winning the next great player. Their center depth is insane and still very young, some wingers will be traded fire defensive help and soon Nurse will be ready. Then there's also Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Anaheim all teams that are contenders now and who's stars are still in their prime. Why would Babcock stay? The guy is ultra competitive, he has seen the decline of Z and Pasha and he is as much concerned as some others are.

A lot of those aforementioned teams currently have coaches. Can't assume that they all will fire their current coaches and wait for an answer from Babs. 


Babs will get a hell of an offer from Toronto. I think his next best offer will be the Red Wings. I wouldn't be surprised at all of Detroit matches Toronto's offer. The Red Wings are quiet a rich franchise. 

#2604817 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kickazz on 30 April 2015 - 12:03 AM

A legitimate center and a legitimate defenseman that can play 27+ minutes a game and a PURE goal scorer. 


Wishful  thinking. But those 3 are what we need. If you consider Tatar and Nyquist as goal scorers, you're kidding yourself. 

#2604692 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 29 April 2015 - 10:15 PM


I hope you're joking. 

Well with people ripping on Z and talking about Babs packing his bags and Howard being sent on a flight to Mars because Mrazek is for sure #1. Why would Tortorella not sound unrealistic? 

#2604673 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kickazz on 29 April 2015 - 10:09 PM