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#2617291 Datsyuk Has Ankle Surgery

Posted by kickazz on Today, 02:47 PM

He's 13 pounds less than Tatar and 3 inches taller. Not sure if he's spending the summer bulking up a bit but it would probably help. If he can gain at least 10-15 pounds (muscle + carb/water + fat combined) I don't see much issue. 

#2615987 Captain Zetterberg wins King Clancy Award

Posted by kickazz on 24 June 2015 - 08:05 PM

Well deserved. Great leader on and off the ice. His contributions to the city of Detroit and around the world through Zetterberg Foundation have been tremendous. 


King Clancy Award for community service goes to Henrik Zetterberg.



#2614539 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kickazz on 15 June 2015 - 03:27 PM

Sign all the D we can

I hope you mean defenseman.

#2614423 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by kickazz on 15 June 2015 - 04:38 AM




What I want to know is this.....please explain to me how retiring Datsyuk's jersey is "lowering the bar". How is he less deserving then Delvecchio, Lindsey, and Abel?



Lindsay -


11 all star appearances

1 Art Ross trophy winner

4 stanley cups

Named 1st all star team 7 times

Lead league in goals, assists, and points in different seasons


Delveccio -


13 all star appearances

3 Lady Bing trophies

3 Stanley cups

25 seasons with the Red Wings - Played with no other team in the league

1281 total points in career


Abel -

Lead league in goals 48/49 

3 All star appearances

3 Stanley cups

1 Hart Trophy


Each of them has more all star appearances (Abel had just as many), more stanley cups, has either an art ross or hart trophy, or passed the thousand point mark. The point is they've done something unique. Extremely unique. 


Datsyuk hasn't won a Hart, an Art Ross, nor has he gotten to the "3 cups" mark. You're right, there weren't many teams and hence competition was less. But what's also true is the players now are more skilled and its a faster game and Datsyuk was born into this fast era and is a part of it. The league has changed but so has the skill set of the players.


Now just to play devils advocate- If Pav truly was a generational player (I personally believe he was in terms of his stick handling) then how come he wasn't elected to the all star game more than 4 times in his 13 seasons? How come he was never named onto the 1st all star team? Now the question arises, was he truly generational then? What really defines generational?


Fedorov had 6 all star appearances, named 1st all star team, won 3 cups, 2 Selkes, 1 Hart Trophy, 1 Ted Lindsay award. He's technically achieved more in 13 years with the red wings than Datsyuk has in his 13 years. Sergei Fedorov achieved almost every item that Lindsay, Adel and Delveccio achieved individually! In terms of achievements, he's even closer than Pav. But what screwed Sergei? He left the franchise. Screwed the loyalty card over. Something that Abel, Delveccio, Lindsay DID have and actually still do. I see Ted Lindsay at tons of Red Wings games even to this day. I was at his book signing 3 years ago at the Joe before a game. 


The point is in the old era, these guys, they did it all. But so did Fedorov, in a newer era. Unfortunately Feds lost on the loyalty card. But if Feds could do it in a newer era then so should the next guy retired in the NEWEST era (year 2004 and beyond). On paper Pav doesn't really fit the category. Had he ended up winning the Hart Trophy in 2009 I'd probably say he's a shoe in. If he wins another cup (as many as the other guys up on the rafters, I'd also say he's a shoe in. For now tho all I can say is he "has a pretty good shot". And the loyalty he has for the org and love from the fans gives him a better chance than it does for Feds. I can't see Illitch retiring #91 when so many fans dislike the guy. It would be pretty awkward. But still their decision so who knows.  


So now back to this "bar" thing - 


It seems like guys up on the rafters have (1) - atleast 3 cups. (2)- Had organizational loyalty, and (3)- won unique individual awards. 


Fedorov has the cups and won the awards but lost on the loyalty.


Datsyuk has 2 cups, organizational loyalty (we almost freaked out in 2013 thinking he'd leave us for Russia and lots of fans had great disdrain towards Datsyuk for that), and zero MVPs or point/goal scoring titles. Ok well say the 3 Selkes are pretty frickin awsome. So he's ok on the awards stuff. 


So Feds doesn't meet the bar (threshold) because he didn't meet #(2) and Datsyuk doesn't meet the bar (threshold) because he didn't meet #(1). 


Given all that, I think Datsyuk is closer to having his jersey retired than Feds because he still has a shot at another cup and building upon his legacy. Feds? Well that guy left us and hes long retired from the NHL. There's no changing his case. It's already written. 

#2614219 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by kickazz on 13 June 2015 - 03:19 PM

I would say no to all of those except Datsyuk (possibly). Dats is a special player.

I don't remember much of Feds playing. I know he was good, but I'm curious as to how he compares to Pavel.

Fedorov was the better complete player. Better shooter, better goal scorer, better on ice vision, Fedorov was also the second fastest skater in the world for a while. (Fastest imo since he should have won by technicality at the al star game). So yeah, Feds better overall, by a long shot. Datsyuk has the better hands and possibly better pick pocketer.

Feds could also play every position unlike Datsyuk. I think on our current roster the only player who has played each corner is Zetterberg. Z consistently plays center and left wing. On occasion plays right wing and often times he plays on either left or right corners of blue line during the powerplays. Feds was sort of like that too under Bowman. Dats plays center and on rare occasions left wing.

#2614166 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kickazz on 12 June 2015 - 03:00 PM

Franzen was an above average goal scorer, he's got an amazing wrist shot and he has big body. Unfortunately he doesn't do the best job of using his big body like some of the other players in the league do. His defense is slightly above average (nowhere near the Datsyuk or Zetterberg, or these days we call it the Glendenning level).


I've said it before, for the amount that he's paid, he's totally worth what he can contribute. I'll take is 25-28 pace goals and his chemistry he has with Z and D when he plays with one of them. Would I call him a leader for the locker room? Yeah, now I would. The fact that he's going through what he is but still has the will to come back, that's something to admire. Would I have called him a leader before all this? Probably not. He never stuck out to me like Lidstrom, Hank and Pav did when it came to being a complete players and being role models. I just thought of him as Mule, the guy that put 25+ goals, had a beastly playoff year in 2008, and who ripped Kane's mouth guard off.  


I just think it's time to move on with these arguments tho. Obviously the Franzen fans are upset with the Franzen haters for the comments that were made against him all these years. But honestly, there's other crap going on. The man is trying to recover, lets wish him all the best. I want him back. But I want him to be healthy as well.


To be real, with the 10+ concussion history I basically have written him off, at least as far as playing out his contract.   

#2613734 Jeff Blashill named 27th head coach in Red Wings history

Posted by kickazz on 09 June 2015 - 06:34 PM

Kinda weird going from a coach with a full head of hair to a bald one. Trying to get used to this will be a bigger challenge for me than anything else next season.

#2613732 Jeff Blashill named 27th head coach in Red Wings history

Posted by kickazz on 09 June 2015 - 06:28 PM

Babcock's hiring isn't the same thing as Blashill's. Using the "well Babcock was only in the minors for two years and ended up being successful" argument doesn't work for our situation. The Red Wings hired him AFTER he proved himself at the NHL level with Anaheim. He wasn't a gamble for us when we brought him in, he was an upgrade from Lewis. Ah, yes Dave Lewis, former assistant and a head coaching failure. Before that it was Bownman. A proven head coach. That's nearly 25 years of Red Wings history for you.


In short; in about 25 years the Red Wings have hired 4 coaches. Scotty Bowman who was a proven coach and led us to success. Mike Babcock who took his Anaheim Mighty Ducks to the Stanley cup finals shortly before coming here. And then two other coaches. Dave Lewis who was pretty bad in the playoffs and now Jeff Blashill a man with zero NHL coaching experience. Blashill is the biggest gamble we have seen in 25 years. Lewis, Babcock, and Bowman were not. These are facts. Do I hope the gamble works out for us? Yeah. Still a gamble though. Something we haven't seen in 25 years in this organization. 

#2613669 Jeff Blashill named 27th head coach in Red Wings history

Posted by kickazz on 09 June 2015 - 12:35 PM

Isn't Chelios the wings strength trainer? Suddenly we have one of the most inexperienced coaching staffs in the league. The enthusiasm for this is hillarious.

Sometimes you and Kipwinger give me hope as a Red Wings fan. 

I thought your aunt Sally was a Jehovah's Witness? Damn. I thought I had a career of being a psychic lined up. I better return the necklace I bought at Wal-Mart. Maybe they will hire Cleary.

Thank you for confirming your age :) 

#2613485 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kickazz on 07 June 2015 - 11:28 PM

So for all you guys who are so concerned for Franzen's health...If doctors declare him healthy enough to return and claim he's at no more risk of serious injury than many players in the league...You'll fully support him as a player?

Or are you all just hiding behind a shroud of caring?

The first thing I'll do is question where the doctors went to medical school and did their residency. :) 

#2613424 Which Sweater Do RWs Retire First - Feds or Ozzy?

Posted by kickazz on 07 June 2015 - 01:09 PM

I hate this "accomplishments" argument when it comes to Fedorov, its just not true. To say Fedorov does not have the accomplishments of those who are up there is wrong. Sure if you are comparing him to Yzerman, Lidstrom or Howe. But not if you are comparing him to Lindsey, Delvechiio, or Abel. Please lets just be honest, Fedorov is not up there because of how he acted off time ice. He lacked respect to the organization, and pissed people off with the way he left. If we are talking "accomplishments" here is why this is BS:
Fedorov accomplishments:

Abels accomplishments:  
  • 3-time Stanley Cup champion with Detroit (1952, 1954, 1955).
  • Named a Second Team All-Star in 1953 (at centre) and 1959 (at left wing).
  • Played in the All-Star Game 13 times (in 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1967), a total surpassed by only six players.
Also, please note that Fedorov did all this while playing aginst the best players in the world, unlike the others here who played against the best players of North America. MUCH easier to win a cup when there are 6 teams in the league. Fedorov was a big fish in a big pond. Abel, Lindsay, and Delvechhio were big fish in a medium size pond. Please don't misinterpret my comments as putting the older guys down, I am not at all. I have a ton of respect for these 3. My point, is that Fedorov is on the same level accomplishments wise, and did it at a time that it was harder.

You misread my post. Which i knew would happen because i was too lazy to go Into details for at almost 4am. I said that theres many categories the people on the rafters fullfill that Ozzy and Feds do not. I didnt say Feds doesnt fullfil the "accomplishments" category. Im talking about how certain players dont meet "all" the categories aka the bar that has been set. In Feds case that would be loyalty to the organization. Ozzys case is the fact that he wasn't a generational goalie.

Come on, who in their right mind would try to argue that the best defensive russian forward who won a Hart trophy doesnt have accomplishments. >.>

And then I brought Datsyuk as an example. He has accomplishments, loyalty, AND was/is a generational player. I basically wrapped up the post by saying Datsyuk is closer to the bar that was set than Feds and Ozzy were because he meets a lot more categories. Accomplishments, cups, generational player, loyalty/commitment, loved by the fans, loved by the organization, contributions to the city of Detroit, leader by example. Etc etc etc.

Ozzy and Feds for many reasons dont have the love and respect from a lot of fans that the guys on those rafters did and the two current players on our roster do. And obviously they dont have the same respect from the organization that yzerman, lidstrom, howe, lindsay etc had. I mean these guys were ADORED. 


That's the reality of the Red Wings. The bar is set too damn high. If it's even a debate that you should be up there, then likely you won't be up there. If Ozzy and Feds jerseys were retired, it would be setting a new and lower threshold OVERALL (remember not just one category but we're looking at a complete profile). Not that I have a problem with it but it is what it is.

#2613224 The "enigmatic" Tomas Jurco: A Thread

Posted by kickazz on 05 June 2015 - 01:52 AM

I hope Jurco doesnt turn into the new Smith. You know.. When the fan boys keep saying he has potential in the NHL level but in reality its just hopes and dreams and excuses upon excuses.

No seriously though, I'm interested to see how Blash handles the situation.

#2613198 Which Sweater Do RWs Retire First - Feds or Ozzy?

Posted by kickazz on 04 June 2015 - 07:43 PM


#2608533 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 19 May 2015 - 11:31 AM

Man the Babcock frenzy is really getting to some people. Thank god the decision comes tomorrow before someone gets an aneurysm.

#2607582 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 13 May 2015 - 07:46 PM


That's what is coming out of Edmonton ... I love it!  Sorry Mikey, no McConnor for you.  


Todd McLellan to coach Edmonton barring 'major collapse': Report (Elliotte Friedman)


So as of now Babs two best options are Buffalo and Toronto?